<colemickens>
cole-h: it adjusts the gamma and it's a tiny C app
<colemickens>
idk I haven't had time to play wiht it yet, dealing with too many other silly things unfortunately.
<colemickens>
I'm guessing it will instantly replace gammastep. I hope to test it later.
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<V>
colemickens: interested in your experience with it
<V>
it does not appear to support geoclue from what I've seen so far
<colemickens>
I'll ping you both when I get a chance to test it.
<colemickens>
And that sounds right to me.
<V>
thanks! <3
<colemickens>
I'm stuck on some really weird fetchhg thing though. nixpkgs-wayland has been consuming too much energy lately.
<colemickens>
wtf how do people use Kitty? I can't adjust the wheel scroll multiplier in Wayland? Hate to be that guy but darn near "literally broken". Luckily there's tmux I guess.
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<lovesegfault>
,locate libgomp.so.1
<{^_^}>
Found in packages: gcc-unwrapped.lib
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<__monty__>
pie_: Remembered another option, I think Jami (formerly Ring) does everything you're looking for, feature-wise. I'm not sure what encryption they use or how usable the software is though.
<__monty__>
TLS with PFS apparently.
<sphalerite>
it crashes a lot, apparently.
<sphalerite>
2020-11-09 viric their new Jami seems similar in stability... How do they keep on evolving for years and years in many features a program that crashes at every 'call' or 'settings dialog'?
<etu>
,locate bin spice-client-glib-usb-acl-helper
<{^_^}>
Found in packages: spice_gtk
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<pie_>
im currently stuck at we dont have a solid business plan so... :E
<pie_>
* :D
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<cirno-999>
jami is 'sounds good, doesnt work'
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<infinisil>
cirno-999: How does it not work?
<cirno-999>
never delivers messages for me ;D
<infinisil>
cirno-999: That just sounds like a bug, not something that makes jami inherently not work
<cirno-999>
practically, in the real world, usually does not
<cirno-999>
or anyone I know that ever used it
<infinisil>
What doesn't work about it?
<cirno-999>
receiving or sending messages is unreliable.
<infinisil>
And that's a bug that's not being fixed? Or is this something about messages inherently being unreliable?
<cirno-999>
am I assaulting you personally now or what?
<cirno-999>
no idea, had poor experiences with it
<infinisil>
Sorry I didn't mean to sound that way
<infinisil>
Alright
<infinisil>
(Asking that way because I often see "doesn't work" without any more information)
<cirno-999>
my statement wasn't meant to be 100% scientific ;P
<cirno-999>
thought going a bit more scientifically, "inherently" many people, including me, have poor connectivity
<cirno-999>
I think that's the issue here
<cirno-999>
(stuck behind NATs)
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<__monty__>
Hmm, but Tox is very similar and that seems to deal fine with NAT traversal.
<hexa->
that was the 4chan messenger, correct?
<__monty__>
That's the first I hear of that.
<cirno-999>
hmm yeah, I had no issues with Tox
<__monty__>
I think it does text, voice and video but no screensharing, so it wouldn't be a full solution for pie_.
<__monty__>
Oh, not sure about file-sharing either.
<infinisil>
Should be pretty easy to emulate a video camera from a screen share
<__monty__>
It's probably all possible but would require custom software. I use clever's toxvpn daily.
<infinisil>
I think I've seen something like that
<__monty__>
Probably, with OBS or something. But screensharing may imply remote desktop functionality?
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<sphalerite>
the trouble isn't getting it to run yourself, it's making it usable for the people you're trying to talk to.
<LnL>
abathur: this is the type of stuff docker is pretty good at, the debian, ubuntu, centos, etc. images should be pretty representative
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<abathur>
it is, but it's a small marginal reach for someone who already has access to and familiarity with one or more, and I'm pretty backlogged (help would be a much-appreciated kindness; not a necessity) :)
<abathur>
and I'm curious about a bit more than just stock--I'm also trying to figure out how likely user-installable diffs on PATH are to cause trouble (currently working on this for macOS...)
<supersandro2000>
it works on centos 6
<supersandro2000>
your are fine
<abathur>
<3 supersandro2000
<{^_^}>
supersandro2000's karma got increased to 15.000000000000005
<samueldr>
and it looks like it's about changes to plan 9 itself
<samueldr>
but all moot now that it's been released under two OSI approved licenses
<gchristensen>
ah
<samueldr>
in 2002* for the lucent public license, and 2004 for GPL
<MichaelRaskin>
Do cgroups or something allow to say that some process tree should not affect read cache, or maybe should not be responsible for more than 2GiB going into disk read cache or something?\
<MichaelRaskin>
It looks like backup rsync is pretty happy evicting everything useful that was happily living in the disk read cache…
<gchristensen>
oh yeah
<gchristensen>
iirc that is the motivation for ZFS's ARC using both an MRU and a MFU
<MichaelRaskin>
hmm, nocache says cgroups actually can do such limiting
<gchristensen>
ooh neato
<MichaelRaskin>
In the sense that limiting total RAM usage also prevents from trashing entire cache
* lukegb
makes pull request
* lukegb
's phone vibrates a lot as I get pinged on IRC several times
<abathur>
at least your handle isn't "pull" or "request"? :)
<srhb>
lukegb: It's a nice way to get some attention off the bot when you feel lonely. :-P
<samueldr>
imagine your nickname being a common unix tool name
<samueldr>
(not me)
<gchristensen>
arrrr that'd be unfortunate
<hexa->
arrrrrr indeed :<
<hexa->
well
<hexa->
how would you go about extracting a .deb file?
<MichaelRaskin>
I considered highlighting prefixes of my github username without requiring word boundaries, and quickly understood 7c without word boundaries is not a thing to highlight
<MichaelRaskin>
dpkg
<MichaelRaskin>
It is in Nixpkgs
<hexa->
are you sure?
<hexa->
I was pretty sure it was a…r :D
<MichaelRaskin>
skypeforlinux package uses dpkg
<hexa->
sorry, I'm still stuck on the common unix tool name nickname :)
<samueldr>
you're maybe too implementation-detailsy :)
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<supersandro2000>
ar
<hexa->
rude
<gchristensen>
:')
<cirno-999>
,whereis iconv
<cirno-999>
,where iconv
<samueldr>
,locate bin iconv
<cirno-999>
ah ;p
<{^_^}>
Found in packages: musl, toybox, glibc.bin, glibc_multi.bin, glibc_memusage.bin
<samueldr>
you generally don't want the toybox or busybox alternatives when they exist
<cirno-999>
I'm not sure which one i want
<samueldr>
I don't either :) might be glibc.bin
<cirno-999>
I think that's the library
<samueldr>
.bin is where you put binaries
<cirno-999>
hmm
<samueldr>
and ",locate bin" searches for the binary names under `$out/bin/*`
<cirno-999>
makes sense
<samueldr>
so it's a given that all of these have `$out/bin/iconv`
<infinisil>
(btw, there's also ",locate man" for finding man pages (in any section))
<cirno-999>
oh, I had it all along
<cirno-999>
just the default output is no output
<infinisil>
Hmm, what if there was a command that linked to a man page directly
<samueldr>
I have some code laying around to get all man pages
<samueldr>
so yeah, infinisil, if you want my bad code as a starting point to _an_ approach of doing that, feel free to ask
<infinisil>
samueldr: Do you happen to have a link to it?
<samueldr>
but the gist of it was: ask nix-locate for man dirs, then manually unpack nar files having them, so I'm not loading whole closures in the store
<samueldr>
no link to it, I would have to copy it locally and put it somewhere :)
<infinisil>
Oh neat
<samueldr>
so it's not using nix builds to build the paths; the store path in the URLs were the *actual* store paths
<samueldr>
instead of being another store path somewhat unrelated
<joepie91>
samueldr: Google has been fucking with metadata for many years now
<joepie91>
few years ago they started naming search results after link texts
<joepie91>
ie. the text of a link pointing there
<samueldr>
sure, but I've never seend a case so egregious where ANOTHER SITE's data shown
<samueldr>
it's like they think those pages were that other site all along
<joepie91>
this is the first time I've seen it so obviously explained, but I've run into quite a few cases where I suspect this had been the case
<joepie91>
over the past... year or 1-2?
<samueldr>
yeah, entirely possible
<samueldr>
I'm not claiming this is the first time and it's not been seen beforehand
<joepie91>
cases where pages were claimed to contain text that wasn't plausible
<joepie91>
and the text in the snippet seemed related but not from that site
<samueldr>
but there's quite a distinction between mucking about the metadata and merging unrelated sites
<samueldr>
yeah, I've had a bunch of stack overflow type answers in impossible websites that were probably from content farms gaming SEO
<samueldr>
in long tail-ish queries
<samueldr>
(but the data isn't even in the page anymore)
<infinisil>
samueldr: Hmm actually I'm not sure what you mean by it showing results from another site
<infinisil>
It shows results from nix.samueldr.com for me
<samueldr>
infinisil: yes, but look at the title, description, and cache
<samueldr>
"Powered by GSP", "GSP.com"
<infinisil>
Oh wow
<samueldr>
my site just had the man page data
<infinisil>
Wowzers yeah, seeing it now
<infinisil>
The heck
<samueldr>
this **will** be gamed for nefarious intents
<MichaelRaskin>
Why will? Maybe it is already?
<samueldr>
present-tense will
<samueldr>
if you will
<samueldr>
and it having been does not preclude that it will
<MichaelRaskin>
I mean, Google itself is just one big nefarious purpose, so…
<samueldr>
[...]
<samueldr>
sure, if you start assuming the worst
<samueldr>
but let's assume at least they're neutral about it
<MichaelRaskin>
Do you still need to assume anything? Building irreproducible search bubbles is already not too benign in itself
* samueldr
sighs
<MichaelRaskin>
Also, their amp makes creating links with muddled provenance super easy
<MichaelRaskin>
but yeah, good question how exactly this happens and how to manipulate it
<joepie91>
my guess is it's their canonical page determination algorithm
<joepie91>
originally designed to prevent linkfarm operators from flooding search results with identical copies of the same content
<samueldr>
doesn't work well with identical copies of the same content by design
<samueldr>
and yeah, probably some leakage from their "AI"
<samueldr>
(bad machine learning)
<infinisil>
Youtube, would you please stop setting my region to france??
<infinisil>
Just because I connect from a french IP doesn't mean you can change my preferences
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<sphalerite>
infinisil: of course they can.
<colemickens>
mesa's being built for my devShell :| hm
<lukegb>
I appear to be compiling all of KDE to run a nixos test so :P
<lukegb>
ok sure it's nixos/tests/plasma5.nix
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