<Ashy>
looks like f2fs is up there with xfs on nvme
<ashkitten>
neat
<ashkitten>
i'll probably use f2fs for my rootfs and games then
<Ashy>
note that i've never used it and that wasnt an endorsement
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<ashkitten>
Ashy: don't worry, i won't blame you when it deletes my data :p
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<ldlework>
bqv: sorry about baduk.nix being broken
<Taneb>
gchristensen: I was planning to use ZFS in any case, does that help me with the testing & planning?
<colemickens>
I feel like I wish I could've borrowed a bit of my corona preparedness and give it to myself a week ago to have ordered an air purifier. I didn't realize how much my head and eyes would hurt.
<bqv>
ldlework: oh, you saw me star it, heh
<ldlework>
you also left an issue
<bqv>
Oh
<ldlework>
bqv: didn't know you play
<bqv>
I aspire to regularly but I've been failing at that for years
<ldlework>
or maybe you were looking to learn, and your frustration with baduk.nix made you decide to give up your ambition!
* ldlework
cries in self-dissapointment.
<bqv>
Heheh
<ldlework>
bqv: if you have an hour some time i wouldn't mind giving you some vision on how to play
<bqv>
Sounds worthwhile, I'll let you know :)
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<gchristensen>
colemickens: could I mail you one?
<colemickens>
that's extremely generous gchristensen , thank you, but I found a "local" purveyor of goods that will have one to me on Saturday.
<gchristensen>
okay
<eyJhb>
colemickens: have you gotten covid-19?
<gchristensen>
I sent one to my cousin in portland. might as well use my local hardware store's stock (where local AQI is ... 17?) to help y'all.
<colemickens>
eyJhb: no no, I just really underestimated how sustained the smoke would be in the PNW area. I kinda just feel guilty though, the folks in OR and CA are suffering in a way I can't imagine.
<eyJhb>
Ohh I see! Yeah it seems like hell... Literally. Hope that can help you then.
<colemickens>
Between hurricanes, derechos, fires, I'd like to spare the midwest of any tornados, please.
<eyJhb>
As usual it seems surreal to think about
<colemickens>
aye
<eyJhb>
The only thing happening here in DK is the weather changed from 15 to 25 degress overnight, which is unusal in september I would say. That is the highlight.
<eyJhb>
But the US is a lot more prone to these things
<eyJhb>
Sadly :/
<gchristensen>
we hit 3.8C last night
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: coldest at night atm. is 11C, current temp is around 19C
<eyJhb>
Anybody else expiriencing that right clicking anything in chromium will open the dialog waaaay off your cusor?
<eyJhb>
Like, the other screen off
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<eyJhb>
ldlework: do you use org mode as well then?
<ldlework>
oh yeah
<eyJhb>
That is something that looks nice
<ldlework>
org-mode is one of the best pieces of software ever made
<ldlework>
that's some desert island shit right there
<eyJhb>
However not sure, how that would go for writing math exercises in. But I guess it is nice for notes
<ldlework>
eyJhb: you can write latex in it and export it to html or markdown
<eyJhb>
Hmmm... Nice
<eyJhb>
Currently I am in need of a env where I can easily take a screenshot, and put it into some notes
<ldlework>
You can embed images into org-mode
<ldlework>
eyJhb: org-mode is not just a fancy interactive markup either
<ldlework>
it has task tracking, and aggregation and powerful search
<ldlework>
you can get nice reports of tasks and stuff across all your org-files across all your projects
<ldlework>
I have ~/org/ with ton of topical files I use for knowledge, and I usually have a notes.org in my various project folders. Org lets me aggregate searches and reports across both.
<eyJhb>
adisbladis , etu , talyz : this is a better way to convince someone than exvm :p
<etu>
haha
<eyJhb>
Someone give me a screengrabber with build-in markers/pens and I will switch this week!
<ldlework>
but in terms of "what editor am I gonna use in my own house"
<ldlework>
can't see what vim even offers, since someone reimplemented vim in emacs
<ldlework>
etu: haha
<leah2>
etu: oO i'm blocked
<etu>
leah2: It's a random pick from duckdockgo image search for "vim toilet cleaning"
<leah2>
ah :)
<eyJhb>
The worst toilet talk I have heard about vim, is that "nano provides the same as vim, so why should I use vim instead?"
<etu>
leah2: I should probably mirror such image on own host to have easy access for future jokes, and reduce risk of blocks :3
<leah2>
also thx for reminding me what my shopping list was missing
* lejonet
still hasn't gotten to properly learning org-mode
<lejonet>
vim has become my standard editor because ease of access, because its not uncommon for me to SSH around on servers and edit stuff directly on them, but if I'd go towards more programming again, I'd probably pick up emacs again
<ldlework>
I love emacs and org-mode because I can keep all my ops runbooks in org-mode and interactively execute them from right inside the document.
<ldlework>
And all my relevant notes are right there next to each snippet.
<ldlework>
I can mix python and bash
<ldlework>
But knowing the vim commands to do basic edits on a server here and there is useful
<ldlework>
But really these days, most infrastructure I've worked with is immutable and you're not really supposed to be ssh'ing into things anyway.
<leah2>
ldlework: i use both too
<ldlework>
tbh, sometimes I actually will open nano instead of vim
<ldlework>
i don't have a real justification for that though
<ldlework>
maybe because the bindings are kind of like emacs by default?
<adisbladis>
lejonet: I find emacs better at the "ssh around" scenario to by using TRAMP
<ldlework>
yeah TRAMP is pretty sick
<adisbladis>
:)
<lejonet>
adisbladis: how well does TRAMP do with multi-hopping? (both occasions when ProxyJump works and those where it doesn't)
<adisbladis>
lejonet: If configured in your ssh_config it works
<adisbladis>
But AFAIK there is no way to do ad-hoc proxyjump
<lejonet>
adisbladis: for 90% of the time, that should work then
<adisbladis>
Still though, the ergonomics of ssh_config is obviously better :)
<lejonet>
But then again, when I'm "out and about" jumping around between hosts, its usually not mainly editing stuff that I'm doing, so having local editors for the little poking about in files is more than enough
<adisbladis>
Even with TRAMP I still do the occasional local edit on a remote in a terminal
<adisbladis>
One does not exclude the other :)
<lejonet>
Indeed
<lejonet>
Its more that due to laziness, I've decided to do vim for both local on my desktop and local on servers :)
<lejonet>
Only need to learn one tool then, but if I would start doing more coding work, I would probably go towards emacs again
<cransom>
i didn't play a lot of dope wars, but when i did, it was on a ti-83
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<cole-h>
worldofpeace: Do you use Wayland-Gnome, or X11-Gnome? I'm thinking of trying it out and am looking for Wayland-based configs (since "services.xserver..." is how gnome seems to be enabled, instead of "services.wayland...")
<ldlework>
cransom: dude the dope wars on the ti-83 was so good!
<samueldr>
ldlework: no worries, it's only because I went to that site in this year 2020
<samueldr>
(reading about the horrors that Ti did... removing ASM abilities from existing calculators)
<ldlework>
TI has battled with the homebrew scene for a long time
<cransom>
they weren't a super useful company. that had a strong hand in the educational calculator scene. there's no way a ti-82 should have been selling for > $100 in 1996, but everyone had to have one.
<cransom>
though the one thing that was really cool that teachers had, a transparent variant that you could stick on the overhead projector to display the screen to the class.
<samueldr>
IIRC it was something they plugged to the serial port, the calculator was entirely normal
<joepie91>
edutech is such a scummy market
<samueldr>
yep
<cransom>
i get out my ti-89 once in a while. the algebra system was witch craft.
<gchristensen>
same.
<ldlework>
my friend and I wrote a roguelike JRPG in ti-basic, including randomly generated maps, graphical combat where you could see the armor and weapon you were using, graphing functions for spells
<ldlework>
it took up every single byte on the calclulator and took 40 minutes to start
<gchristensen>
wow
<samueldr>
I only remember that for the exams teachers didn't force reset people's calcs, so people cheated heavily with notes all around me :(
<ldlework>
there were asm interrupt programs that would fake clear the calculator
<samueldr>
I know
<samueldr>
I didn't even have a graphical calc as it was not required for the class
<gchristensen>
programming my calculator is what caused me to give up caring about math class. I wrote some cool programs, teacher accused me of plagiarism, I stopped caring
<ldlework>
one of my earliest accomplishments in programming as young kid was writing my own multi-tone greyscale interrupt handler
<samueldr>
it was required for the previous year's class, and could be loaned from the school
<ldlework>
in asm
<joepie91>
gchristensen: ... accused you of plagiarism? what?
<samueldr>
copying numbers off of a calculator is wrong, joepie91
<gchristensen>
what what?
<gchristensen>
like that I couldn't possibly have written those programs
<joepie91>
wow, fuck teachers like that
<ldlework>
i remember using the ti link to try to develop a multiplayer fighting game like Street Fighter but I didn't get very far
<samueldr>
oh, so not plagiarism in the sense that your grades were affected?
<ldlework>
i remember so badly that i wish the asm zelda clone would get finished but it was only ever a demo
<ldlework>
remember fall down?
<gchristensen>
my grades were affected in the sense that I didn't pay any more attention after the third week of school
<samueldr>
yeah
<gchristensen>
but that is all
<samueldr>
I was once accused of plagiarism on a working problem in programming class
<samueldr>
hand-out assignment?
<gchristensen>
yeah
<samueldr>
anyway, it was work done in pairs, together my pair was the top two of the class, we were accused of plagiarism for copying the work on a pair that was actually the bottom two of the class
<samueldr>
the reason?
<samueldr>
we were both using the hand-out assignment as a basis for the comments
<samueldr>
the teacher (some kind of sub, but not a sub, but kind of is) didn't know the assignment being handed-out
<gchristensen>
:|
<samueldr>
turns out that confronting the teacher and explaining why this was bullshit both put me in the "shit list", and gave me the basically flawless score back
<gchristensen>
...
<samueldr>
(it was a "real" accusation, there is a process that wasn't followed, instead it was just a zero)
<samueldr>
it was not *
<samueldr>
so even there it was basically a bad start, since it meant it didn't get any oversight from the department
<sphalerite>
uuuugh.
<sphalerite>
I don't think I ever had any teachers who reacted like that to stuff I did, which I guess I can be really thankful for.
<sphalerite>
Occasional cases of not getting it, but none of punishing me for it.
<abathur>
~academic integrity~ issues are tricky/tough all-around
<ldlework>
James Lindsay liked this.
<steveeJ>
does someone have experience with the lenovo thinkpad multitouch screens? I can't find any recent reviews
<steveeJ>
I'm wondering what would be the downsides to configuring the thinkpad with it even if I don't use it often
<samueldr>
AFAIK multitouch screens are like a totally solved problem in Linux
<lejonet>
steveeJ: they tend to draw a bit more power for having the multitouch, and because of the multitouch layer, sometimes need stronger backlighting, which also draws more power
<samueldr>
I've never heard of one not working for "big" devices
<samueldr>
but sometimes pen-based input is problematic to get going
<steveeJ>
lejonet: I've thought about that but I don't have an idea how strong that effect is. do you have an estimate in %?
<samueldr>
but it's like a 50/50 chance
<samueldr>
steveeJ: see if you can find reviews comparing brightness I guess?
<samueldr>
one for the multitouch display, one for without
<samueldr>
though that won't help for power dtaw
<lejonet>
steveeJ: it was a while since I looked at it, but I think its not uncommon for a multitouch-enabled laptop having a ~5-10% lower estimated battery time than one without one
<lejonet>
(with the same battery capacity that is)
<lejonet>
Tho this knowledge is a year or two old, so maybe the current tech makes it more of a negligible power draw
<lejonet>
But up to at least ~5% less estimated battery time doesn't seem all too far fetched
<gchristensen>
samueldr: what laptop to you like best?
<steveeJ>
on my current setup (using qtile) mouse (or touch for that matter) controls aren't very helpful
<samueldr>
gchristensen: currently my TP300LA is basically the best kind of form factor
<steveeJ>
hardware decisions are so hard :-D
<samueldr>
that TP300LA has been hard to try to replace
<samueldr>
~800CAD shipped and taxes
<samueldr>
and at the time (2014) it had just good specs
<samueldr>
but new laptops start at 1100$CAD (not shipped, not taxed) with the same amount of ram :(
<samueldr>
8GB shouldn't be the "top" option at that price point!
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<gchristensen>
+
<gchristensen>
1
<colemickens>
what is my luck - I just grabbed my pixel 3 from my desk, plugged in, the screen was like... digitally shimmering and shaking, so I tapped on it, the thing wigs out, and it somehow looks like the LCD is cracked underneath the glass.
<colemickens>
I've never experienced something like this before.
<colemickens>
I think it did! It looks like there's a bubble underneath the glass omg
<abathur>
huh
<colemickens>
I wonder if I can use my partners chromebook to take a pic
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<samueldr>
colemickens: :<
<samueldr>
not an LCD, oled :)
<colemickens>
turns out getting a pinephone build up and running is more important than ever
<colemickens>
and I kid you not, I just got a ton of Signal messages just right before this happened too. loud disgruntled signal noises
<samueldr>
colemickens: get scrcpy working ASAP on your phone
<samueldr>
colemickens: not even joking, drop everything and make sure it works
<samueldr>
it requires developer mode, hopefully you can see enough of the display to enable it, and enable adb
<colemickens>
so, I don't have dev mode on, I've used stuff in the past to see the screen. I think I might just be SOL right now. I'm not sure I can blind tap my way through that process.
<samueldr>
maybe if there is a method to enable screen reading for sightless people "blindly"
<colemickens>
the screen completely... shorted out? idk, it wigged out, then those little scratches appeared underneath the glass and then it's never shown signs of life again (though I can tell it unlocks, etc)
<colemickens>
samueldr: oh dang that's a great idea. If google would just enable usb type c display out, this also could be much easier to mitigate. but gotta move those chromecasts/google-tvs.
<samueldr>
colemickens: might be able to enable it holding both volume keys
<samueldr>
but it might require a dialog input :/
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<colemickens>
samueldr: lots of good ideas though.
<colemickens>
samueldr: seems like maybe there's a shot at reliable keyboard input that could be manipulated to turn on the needed dev setting
<samueldr>
right, there's that too
<colemickens>
I emailed my Signal contact, go me. I doubt I actually care to recover anything else though. Might not be worth hoop jumping.
<colemickens>
I just have this feeling Fi is not going to want to replace this unit, even though it was a refurb from them like 5 weeks ago
<samueldr>
colemickens: 2FA?
<colemickens>
samueldr: My 2FA tokens are stored in password-store, protected by yubikey, so no worries there either
<colemickens>
I'm currently on the 3rd "troubleshooting" instruction that explicitly includes on-screen actions.
<colemickens>
lol i can't.
<colemickens>
talkback is amazing. I'm wondering if the digitizer was affected too though. I think that's what the touch-sensing component is called anyway
<samueldr>
your guess's as good as ours
<samueldr>
you got talkback going?
<colemickens>
yeah, it's pretty slick!
<samueldr>
accessibility features are overlooked as "for the disabled"
<samueldr>
but it's not
<samueldr>
it's for everyone
<gchristensen>
+1
<gchristensen>
not to mention the hubris to assume you'll always be abled
<gchristensen>
because: lol
<samueldr>
perfectly abled people can also have disabled hardware!
<samueldr>
mouse keys on windows 98 got me going for a good while on my first computer
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: it provides both a xorg session and a wayland session. the wayland one is default though and offers better performance, so that is the one I use
<worldofpeace>
I don't think there is a services.wayland either (yet)
<colemickens>
haha, I'm foiled by "enter your password" to enable dev mode
<colemickens>
oh wait maybe I can keep going actually, this is so cool
<cole-h>
colemickens: I think Android supports USB keyboards -- you might be able to use that to enter the password?
<cole-h>
worldofpeace: Got it working now -- I was just having an issue with `GDK_BACKEND` being set in my user systemd environment, causing the "oh no! something went wrong" screen to keep popping up
<cole-h>
Hm, paperwm looks interesting
<ajs124>
test
<cole-h>
As well as pop-os shell
<ixxie>
colemickens: do you know something about libinput?
<colemickens>
OMG Android for the win: "975X236F2device"
<samueldr>
Android for the NixOS please
<colemickens>
It would've been impossible if I didn't use Android daily, but I was able to enable dev mode, type password, and enable usb debug mode. Very pleased, even if a bit tedious. Thanks for that awesome suggestions samueldr
<samueldr>
we are a Linux channel here, no win
<colemickens>
well, I do have a really good reason to refocus on pinephone today.
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: oh, you mean you were setting GDK_BACKEND in your nixos config?
<samueldr>
sure, but at least you're not SOL if you need your phone, colemickens :)
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<cole-h>
worldofpeace: I could have sworn I stopped doing that, but I do indeed have `export GDK_BACKEND=wayland` in my sway config...
<boredom101>
I have made progress on nix-tip, and it can now generate recommendations based on a set of configurations
<boredom101>
meaning, it has simple learning
<cole-h>
worldofpeace: Curious: do you use a tiling extension for gnome, or do you not care about tiling?
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: quarter tiling sure would be a nice addition, and paperwm is very cool. but I tbh don't care and use mostly default with a few modest adjustments
<__monty__>
boredom101: What sort of recommendations?
<cole-h>
OK, fair. After using sway, I'm addicted to tiling, so I need to find a good extension that provides it đŦ
<colemickens>
and now since it saved my bacon, I have to version bump https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy. That repology badge is a great way to get people to want to bump packages when they see they're out of date.
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: I believe it would be paperwm or the extension from pop os
<colemickens>
cole-h: did you see that "Material Desktop" video recently?
<cole-h>
worldofpeace: Yeah, I'm looking at those
<samueldr>
colemickens: first check if there's a PR
<cole-h>
colemickens: The one by PapyElGringo? Yeah, I'm also looking into that one :P
<worldofpeace>
(tbh, I actually use pantheon more than gnome cuz sleek)
<cole-h>
orly
<samueldr>
I love how I basically broke a tab of my browser with a kind of lightweight DoS
<colemickens>
samueldr: i don't know if you're giving generic advice or if that's targetted because of my bad habits, lol. Last time it led to a rabbit hole of me looking for a CLI tool that I could use to search open PRs.
<cole-h>
worldofpeace: Does it have extensions like GNOME?
<samueldr>
*finally* it closed
<samueldr>
colemickens: it happens to me too often that I forget to check open PRs before bumping, or fixing a bug
<boredom101>
__monty__: for now it does boolean values, so if it notices that two boolean options are commonly enabled together, it would recommend
<boredom101>
one if you do the other
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: ooohh material shell looks like a really cool workflow (I might try it). it doesn't support extensions, and for the matter is still on x11 (for now at least)
<__monty__>
boredom101: Oh, ok, cool. I was thinking software recommendations.
<cole-h>
Oh, then looks like I'll be staying away for the time being đŦ
<cole-h>
Wayland is a must -- I demand no more screen tearing!
<boredom101>
__monty__: well, if the software is enabled through a `.enable` option, that could kind of work
<cole-h>
colemickens: One immediate complaint about material-shell, just from looking at the readme -- it uses super+wasd to navigate instead of super+hjkl or super+arrows :(
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: I actually don't get much tearing with mutter xorg. only with windows that are non-native gtk
<cole-h>
worldofpeace: Oof, I locked my screen in GNOME and now it won't unlock :D
<samueldr>
can't force unlock something that won't unlock: secure!
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: âšī¸
<worldofpeace>
well, I actually can interpret that many ways. you cannot manipulate the lockscreen or that u cannot auth into the session, or the session is broken
<cole-h>
Cannot auth
<cole-h>
Enter password, it clears and doesn't unlock :D
<cole-h>
Anyways, just restarted the display-manager service for me :P
<cole-h>
s/me/now/
<worldofpeace>
sounds like a "pretty" failure of some sort
<worldofpeace>
uh, now I'm interested
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<cole-h>
Yeah, material-shell is cool and all, but it need some polish... Clearly not built with multiple monitors in mind.
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<cole-h>
Now to try paperwm
<worldofpeace>
I believe the extension is in nixpkgs cole-h
<cole-h>
worldofpeace: Do you know if there's a way to get whatever the top bar is called on all monitors?
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: "panel", I can't remember if there's a setting to show it on all monitors. perhaps look in gnome-tweaks
<cole-h>
Is gnome-tweaks installed by default with the NixOS modules?
<worldofpeace>
no
<cole-h>
OK, good, glad I installed it myself :P
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<worldofpeace>
not sure if it's "Workspaces span displays" or possible at all
<cole-h>
OK, paperwm no good either -- the window content is invisible lol
<worldofpeace>
cole-h: lol, be a good user and bug report
<worldofpeace>
our resident maintainer hedning owns this extension
<worldofpeace>
colemickens: I think you .cache/fontconfig is corrupted according to that thread
<colemickens>
I'll have to give a reboot ago, but I purged it, the next termite startup was slower but still wrong.
<colemickens>
i'm wondering if changes I made a few weeks ago are just now becoming active by some similar-ish bug? idk. lots of things to chase today, I've decided to embrace it.
<colemickens>
thanks for the heads up!
<worldofpeace>
I've asked erictapen what exactly they 'think' fixed it for them
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<samueldr>
well
<samueldr>
I can say that if it's all tofus like that
<samueldr>
your fc-cache is corrupted
<samueldr>
if you ran on 20.03 an unstable app during some time
<samueldr>
literally a mouse trap among font issues!
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<cole-h>
Heh
<cole-h>
colemickens: Yeah, that one.
<cole-h>
That day we were talking about how "gamer" mice have Windows (maybe Mac as well) proprietary config software
<cole-h>
And I found and suggested piper
<samueldr>
well, tbf I already knew of it, but don't need it for my current devices :)
<samueldr>
except I saw it apparently supports my mouse
<samueldr>
except it doesn't out of 20.03 at least
<colemickens>
piper supports like almost everything on my mouse perfectly, except doesn't restore/persist profiles in a way that make sense to me / align with the behavior of the on-device profiles... and it just can't configure one button.
<colemickens>
still I am impressed, i suspect if I spent a while and filed bugs I could figure out the last bits.
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