gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<cole-h> Man, I'm so glad to be back in CS classes
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<aleph-> Nice
<aleph-> Alright, nixOS router is ready
<aleph-> And yet I can't remember my AP ssh login and the reset button is broken
<aleph-> RIP
<pie_> wth happened to tor...? its really fast?
<samueldr> NSA gave them a load of nodes to run on
<samueldr> doubling the capacity, if not more
<samueldr> (I'm joking)
<samueldr> (hopefully)
<pie_> that was my first thought as well
<pie_> dunno _which_ agency but yeah :p
<V> empire died so nobody's using it now
<V> (/s)
<pie_> like, the other month i was ranting about how absolutely hostile it was
<pie_> to any actual usage
<pie_> now its fast (if a page loads at all), and im not getting captchas everywhere?
<pie_> ok i just got one for youtube but
<pie_> also i forgot it doesnt default to "safest" level so oops i may have run some js :I
<pie_> typical nsa signature, make it hard to not screw up :P
<V> "may have"
<pie_> ok i definitely ran some js
<pie_> hopefully didnt get anything sketchy injected nope
<pie_> this is just a lesson for defense in depth: no persistent storage, separate machine, etc
<pie_> which i do not do.
<drakonis> my goodness
<drakonis> kde 5.18 is merged
<V> pie_: what are you even using tor for? I found it unusable for daily usage
<V> you're making it sound like you use it a lot
<pie_> no i just poked at it a bit again today
<pie_> thats what i was saying, it was completely unusable the last time i tried to use it
<pie_> so either im doing orthogonal things with different usage characteristics, or something changed
<V> mmm
<V> as one does
<V> that issue is very strange
<V> it shouldn't be able to detect an upgrade
<V> since it's using an absolute path, yes?
<V> or perhaps it tries relaunching firefox via $PATH
<pie_> i have no idea, i think the message is probably misleading
<pie_> the one clueful seeming fellow suggested something about crashes
<cole-h> aleph-: 👀
<cole-h> aleph-: Public config? I'd love to see what that looks like.
<aleph-> cole-h: I'll link it tomorrow. But there's #nixos-on-your-router
<cole-h> Sick
<infinisil> Amazon, one of the biggest seller of stuff globally. Yet I can't pay for a product in the .com shop with my credit card from my swiss bank
<infinisil> Even though literally every other shop on the internet accepts it..
<infinisil> ...?
<samueldr> infinisil: definitely fraudulent
<samueldr> why would you even try to buy something on the .com side of the operations?
<samueldr> (thinking like amazon)
<samueldr> (or your bank)
<samueldr> might be your bank actually
<infinisil> samueldr: " We were unable to process your purchase with your current payment information. Your payment method must be issued by a bank local to the Amazon.com marketplace "
<samueldr> :|
<samueldr> now *that's* complete bollocks
<samueldr> I just had my bank cancel my card because amazon.com did a check to see if my card still existed, and it transpired as an amazon.com check
<samueldr> since I hadn't bought for over 6 months
<samueldr> apparently no one gets those checks since the bank thought something was wrong
<samueldr> though amazon gave me the run around for 4 weeks to try to know if it was legit or not
<ivan> infinisil: is that for a digital item?
<infinisil> Amazing..
<infinisil> ivan: Yeah
<infinisil> A song
<samueldr> oh
<ivan> that isn't really amazon's fault because of how music is licensed
<samueldr> another different pair of bollocks
<infinisil> Well literally every other place I bought music from doesn't have a problem with it
<colemickens> cole-h: oh idk if I said but I also didn't downgrade sway for the gamma regression. it takes a lot to get me to downgrade.
<infinisil> Guess I'm pirating it then lol
<cole-h> colemickens: So, gamma regression is still fscked?
<cole-h> Or rather, it's not just me?
<colemickens> cole-h: on the machines that I'm using, I've technically never actually seen it work, so I can't say.
<cole-h> Heh
<colemickens> cole-h: nouvaeu and whatever pinebookpro is, I think 'intel' tends to be the happier path for the gamma stuff.
<infinisil> Alright I'll give Google Play a go. Even though I despise Google, it's the next best option
<samueldr> the pinebook pro is panfrost, most likely
<samueldr> infinisil: does the artist sell directly?
<infinisil> Also twice as expensive there
<infinisil> samueldr: yea
<infinisil> Oh
<infinisil> Unless you mean like, directly from a page by the artist themselves?
<infinisil> Then no
<samueldr> from the page, or through services like bandcamp
<samueldr> right
<infinisil> Also no bandcamp (which would be my go-to)
<samueldr> I've seen for a label artists that don't link to the bandcamp, but the label has them on their
<samueldr> theirs*
<infinisil> Doesn't seem to be the case here
<samueldr> (I in fact was pleasantly surprised to see that label listing artists on bandcamp directly... and learned that many artists I liked were coincidentally on the same label)
<infinisil> Google Play: "Each song can be downloaded 2 times on the web"
<infinisil> Of course there would be something stupid like that
<infinisil> Anyways, I'm out once I downloaded it once, never coming back
<infinisil> I should also mention the full text, which makes it not as bad: "This limit does not apply when you use Music Manager to download your entire library to your computer."
<samueldr> "your" entire library
<infinisil> Yeah lol
<samueldr> which you won't be able to use anyway soon as you'll be forced to use youtube music
<cole-h> I just had a blast from the past: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCxv2daOwjQ
<samueldr> you know what's always blasting me into the past? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
<infinisil> samueldr++
<{^_^}> samueldr's karma got increased to 260, it's a crit!
<colemickens> I was worried at least one of those would be a rickroll.
<samueldr> good thing there wasn't one
<colemickens> cole-h: I'm playing through the campaigns for the first time with my partner. The music in H2 was waaay more of a nostalgia trip on its own than I'd expected
<colemickens> cole-h: I had... unrefined music tastes in HS and the soundtrack album got a lot of play in my bedroom, LOL
<cole-h> colemickens: wdym unrefined. That song is a banger.
<cole-h> I was (way) too young to actually play Halo 2 😅
<colemickens> lol, if you saw the soundtrack from the minidisc I found a while back, you'd understand. the H2 soundtrack was by far the standout among my collection.
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<drakonis> rust on linux is closer
<V> Memorising the YouTube slug for "Never Gonna Give You Up" is useful :)
<cole-h> I've only memorized the original one
<cole-h> There are a few reuploads that catch me out every once in a while.
<V> Thankfully reuploads tend to get taken down
* V just wrote a prometheus exporter for her firefox tab count
<samueldr> there should be a feature in youtube to get a new ID for that video
<cole-h> I have 500+ tabs at the moment
<V> I have 3101 tabs open at the moment
<cole-h> I'm about to go through and prune some, though
<V> I had >3200 tabs open yesterday
<V> adding them all up together, I probably had something like 3500 open last week before I started closing a bunch
<V> (and that's not including the 3k so I have lurking in a file somewhere)
<V> Now I have 32GiB of RAM, there's no reason to skimp on tabs, is there :p
<V> (yes, I may have some issues)
<V> So there are systemd user services, is it possible to have them enabled for just one user?
<V> I'm currently coming up short on ideas for that, since it seems to be a system-wide thing
<V> and 'systemctl --user enable' doesn't work because it'll symlink to the currently available unit in the Nix store
<V> (which is obviously not what I want)
<cole-h> With NixOS's `systemd.user.services`, I don't think so. But you can use h-m's `systemd.user.services`, which drops into `~/.config/systemd/user`
<cole-h> Unless I'm misunderstanding
<V> ah
<V> I've not used HM before
<V> Oh, looks like it writes the files directly into there
<cole-h> Links, actually
<cole-h> readlink ~/.config/systemd/user/emacs.service -> /nix/store/ywcx0msfp4cz73j3931vgf5qn6iidpjs-home-manager-files/.config/systemd/user/emacs.service
<V> Hmm
<pie_> dont worry tabs are lazy data structure <cole-h> I'm about to go through and prune some, though
<pie_> s
<cole-h> More pruning so I can actually see what the tabs are lol
<pie_> V: i have a thread for this
<pie_> V: ram limiting firefox?
<pie_> search the discourse
<V> pie_: ...no?
<pie_> ok nvm then misinterpreted
<V> I got 32 gigs of RAM specifically so I wouldn't run out of RAM
<V> I had like 8 before, plus swap
<pie_> i want more ram :C *shakes fist at lenovo*
<V> swapped like hell on a regular basis
<V> hey, I have a thonkpad
<pie_> yeah ikr 8 more gigs would already help a lot
<cole-h> I'm waiting for AMD's 4xxx desktop series
<pie_> ive got 1gb and one ram slot only so its maxed
<V> o o f
<pie_> *16gb
<pie_> lmoa
<pie_> lmao
<V> okay that's a lot better
<pie_> yeah
<samueldr> :X you had me going
<cole-h> Where I'll upgrade to it, or to a 3xxx, depending on prices
<pie_> 1g would need ...additional... workflow changes
* V hacks around things by just ln'ing to /run/current-system/...
<V> This will probably not break by the time I forget I set this up like so
<V> Probably!
<colemickens> I'm going to have to give meli (https://meli.delivery) a go. I have a good sense about it. esp after reading this: https://lobste.rs/s/jhixrm/email_isn_t_broken_email_clients_are#c_enry2b
<cole-h> Looks like it's improved since I last used it
<cole-h> I don't remember what my issues were with it before, but nothing immediately jumps out at me.
<cole-h> I personally prefer `aerc` though.
<V> aerc is nice
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<sphalerite> make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/Makefile:29: menuconfig] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
<sphalerite> \o/
<Mic92> sphalerite: out-of-memory?
<sphalerite> I'd be extremely surprised
<eyJhb> Bad mem sphalerite ?
<sphalerite> I hope not
<sphalerite> this laptop is only a couple of weeks old
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<eyJhb> sphalerite: You never know
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<eyJhb> Closed all my channels in my Weechat client...
<talyz> sphalerite: stop overclocking your laptop memory ;)
<sphalerite> talyz: I'm not!
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<steveeJ> oh no, rust broke after updating to 1.46 rustup /o\ `/home/steveej/.rustup/toolchains/stable-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/rustc`
<steveeJ> adding `zlib` to the nix-shell environment helped
<infinisil> Well, my hatred for docbook has increased significantly today
<infinisil> Or xml in general rather
<infinisil> Have fun debugging weird xml validation errors because of a single stray dot in `</para>.`
<eyJhb> infinisil: Sup?
<eyJhb> Ahhh
<infinisil> Spoiler: It wasn't fun
<eyJhb> Come on, we all love it
<eyJhb> :D
<infinisil> I also had fun trying to debug xsl templates
<eyJhb> Never tried those
<eyJhb> But those look like hell
<infinisil> Yes, don't try them
<gchristensen> infinisil: very annoying. it is so outrageous that XML has such good structure and then the OSS tools to debug it are trash.
<gchristensen> imagine what XML could have been if the Rust error message team went to town on XML.
<infinisil> Hehe yeah
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<julm> I happen to dive in to the doc machinery today, can we generate NixOS' manpages easily? apparently not from the flake.nix
<julm> easily == without defining a nixos configuration
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<infinisil> Huh, apparently you can't link back to the manual from option descriptions
<julm> and added outputs.htmlDocs.nixosManpages = (import ./nixos/release-small.nix { nixpkgs = self; }).nixos.manpages.x86_64-linux;
<julm> then man -l result/share/man/man8/nixos-rebuild.8
<julm> (well, after nix -L build .#htmlDocs.nixosManpages )
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<jtojnar> I peckaged this proprietary docbook editor https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/95593
<{^_^}> #95593 (by jtojnar, 2 weeks ago, merged): xxe-pe: init at 9.4.0
<jtojnar> maybe it is useful
<aleph-> Neat, firewall rules broke my router
<eyJhb> aleph-: Uhhhh, sounds lovely!
<eyJhb> Fixeable from remote?
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<aleph-> eyJhb: Next to me with a serial cable attached to my dock :p
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<eyJhb> aleph-: Ahh, not the way you want to do it :p
<cole-h> My answer: "Every hours."
<__monty__> I hope the game does well. CD projekt Red are the ones behind GOG right? But it's been hyped for so long I fear it's impossible to live up to it.
<drakonis> https://neuron.zettel.page/ oooooooooooooooooo
<cole-h> __monty__: It's been hyped for 8 years now lol. I'll just be glad if it actually comes out...
<cole-h> (CD Projekt is behing GOG, CD Projekt Red is under their wing, IIRC)
<cole-h> Slight distinction
<__monty__> Didn't realize the difference, thanks.
<cole-h> s/behing/behind/
<cole-h> idk why I still make that mistake heh
<eyJhb> drakonis: I want one handed link hints
<eyJhb> Hell I miss that. Being lazy and browsing the WWW using one hand and not the mouse
<drakonis> hah
<drakonis> i mean
<drakonis> i should use those two because they look like fantastic things to play with
<cole-h> I keep telling myself "I should set up a zettel"
<cole-h> And I never do
<eyJhb> cole-h: Currently reading what it is
<cole-h> Basically, notes
<eyJhb> drakonis: I really want to try that browser now
<eyJhb> But I am not sure about security....
<eyJhb> cole-h: Yeah, but I found the article! :D
<cole-h> There's more science behind it, I think, but that's what it means to me
<eyJhb> "notes" :D
<__monty__> More anecdotes than science.
<cole-h> "science" then :P
<__monty__> I like the idea but I can't say it's been working for me.
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<__monty__> For the emacs-inclined out there, take a look at org-roam if you're interested in zettelkasten.
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<abathur> anyone find themselves annoyed by/with inconsistencies in the names of things like CLI flags, functions, env vars, nix packages/builders, etc? :)
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