gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<samueldr> anyone has a linux DRM "hello world" that is pretty self-contained program around to test?
<samueldr> might have found one, but still interested in *yours*
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<ashkitten> ...pinentry is taking up an entire cpu core and not displaying anything
<srhb> ashkitten: ... sounds fun >_>
<ashkitten> i'm having the time of my life over here i tell you what
<ashkitten> maybe i should switch off the zen kernel?
<ashkitten> or idk
<srhb> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<ashkitten> something to do with having used steamvr
<srhb> ooh
<ashkitten> because theres a load of crap from vrclient in dmesg
<ashkitten> at least i get to listen to my cute boot jingle when i reboot
<samueldr> boot jingle?
<ashkitten> axel f :D
<samueldr> I was more interested in the technical aspect :)
<ashkitten> oh
<samueldr> haha lol, pretty much as I expected
<ashkitten> the reason i don't use the busybox `beep` command for this is because it reopens the device node for every new tone, which means when the device node disappears during the stage-2 handoff it cuts off
<srhb> ... I didn't know I needed that >_>
<samueldr> just wanted to share an uplifting good news
<samueldr> I know how to play with the RGB LEDs on the razer phone 2's back
<samueldr> bad news is I still don't have a UI going :)
<samueldr> but final good news is I know where to go from here and it's something we'll need for all devices
<samueldr> oops, more meant for -aarch64
<samueldr> we'll need for all new devices*
<ashkitten> :D
<samueldr> all newer devices are (likely?) to need DRM for showing anything on the display
<samueldr> (the good kind of DRM)
<samueldr> so uh... grep your kernel logs for DRM before making a port for now :)
<ashkitten> ooh
<samueldr> that's why I was asking for a DRM hello world
<samueldr> oh, I should post it here
<samueldr> in case someone needs it, simple, self-contained
<samueldr> it even shows me a useful data point about quirkiness: double-buffering will be needed
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<eyJhb> `/dev/vda1 12G 12G 0 100% /` help
<eyJhb> error: committing transaction: database or disk is full (in '/nix/var/nix/db/db.sqlite')
<eyJhb> :(
<eyJhb> Guess that host just will not be updated. Runnig a garbarge collect results in 200 MB spare freed up...
<eyJhb> AHA! Nuked the old generatinos
<eyJhb> generations, forgot that the gc did not do that
<makefu> eyJhb: you might have a chance to find a dangling result/ root somewhere :)
<makefu> rebooting after switching to a new generation and removing old generations may also help
<eyJhb> It was just 42 generation is /nix/store, where some of them where docker, opencv, etc. and I only use that host for my ZNC + Bitlbee, so I have 6GB free now!
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<eyJhb> Nooooo, all my channels are gone
<makefu> IT IS FREE REAL ESTATE!
<eyJhb> No clue which other channels I was in
<eyJhb> But yes! makefu :H
<eyJhb> My whole setup is fucked now :(((
<sphalerite> huh? How did that happen?
<eyJhb> It is more like, the settings in my Bitlbee setup have somewhat reset
<eyJhb> And I cannot remember the commands for it
<eyJhb> We need a Bitlbee module
<eyJhb> nvm, we have that
<sphalerite> ooh I thought you meant nix channels. Ha.
<eyJhb> sphalerite: ahh no, just ZNC stuff :D
<sphalerite> well, who cares, long as you have #nixos-chat
<ldlework> I have had very good success with Emacs over the last two days.
<ldlework> I've always wanted a way to access and refile knowledge in my knowledge-base.
<ldlework> And I've just got it working how I want.
<ldlework> I can easily refile items within the same document: http://ldlework.ddns.net/caps/2020-09-22-08-55-48.mp4
<ldlework> Or I can refile an item to a specific place in another file: http://ldlework.ddns.net/caps/2020-09-22-09-01-57.mp4
<eyJhb> sphalerite: True! Just need to fixup my bitlbee. It doesn't open new chats anymore, etc.
<eyJhb> ... I just did a vbox clean yesterday, that is now gone because I ran a garbage collect :(
<leonardp> it's 2020 why do i still have to deal with non-resizable file dialogs?!!! /rant
<eyJhb> He has 10 minutes to finish up this lecture, before my computer runs dead and I need to start from scratch on the compilation
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<sphalerite> eyJhb: use a remote builder? ;)
<das_j> sphalerite: Huh, are you from germany? Just saw you on #systemd
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<sphalerite> das_j: yes, Munich
<sphalerite> das_j: I'm also in #nixos-de ;)
<eyJhb> sphalerite: WiFi at uni, it will take forever to copy all the things :p
<eyJhb> Unless I steal a cable! Then I have 1Gbit/s up and down!
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<das_j> sphalerite: Oh, right. I always thought you from the US for some reason…
<eyJhb> das_j: somewhat fair assumption to make for most I guess
<sphalerite> das_j: nope, not at all :D
<eyJhb> Wonder how many are US vs. EU
<sphalerite> I lived in France (for a while, but that was before my nix days) and Scotland (including when I started using nix) preivously though
<das_j> eyJhb: I thought most contributers were from eurasia?
<das_j> sphalerite: So EU for the most part :P
<sphalerite> yep, I left before they did
<sphalerite> I've never lived outside the EU :p
<das_j> probably not the worst choice
<eyJhb> Are there many from Asia?! :o
<eyJhb> sphalerite: I somewhat want to live in South Africa, but at the same time maybe not
<eyJhb> But it is a wonderful place
<das_j> fair enough, maybe just europe
<das_j> eyJhb: While it's beautiful, is it still troublesome to be white? Didn't hear of anything else
<adisbladis> eyJhb: There are a few ppl from HK, a few from mainland china too
<adisbladis> Singapore has a few too
<philipp[m]> Oh man, that's cool! https://taler.net/en/news/2020-09.html
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<eyJhb> das_j: I think whatever the pigment of your skin is, it is troublesome. But yeah, some places you should not be, but generally from those who live there, you should not really be out after dark
<eyJhb> Especially not as a white women. Heard stories about people putting boxes over rocks on the highway etc...
<eyJhb> I however still want to go! Also, cheap food! And nice people. But I guess it was combined with aiding the non-profit org over there as well. Really awesome people!
<eyJhb> adisbladis: sooo... Do we know anyone that might be able to do some chinese to english translation ?
<adisbladis> eyJhb: What do you need to translate?
<eyJhb> Something my GF has that they have had for generations, which should orinate from China (I guess they have ancestors in China) - https://i.imgur.com/fWAEpqt.jpg
<eyJhb> That image. Surely nothing sensitive is on it, quite beatiful
<eyJhb> adisbladis: look ^ :p
<adisbladis> eyJhb: I'll ask my gf to help out later
<eyJhb> Thanks!
<adisbladis> Did you ever feel that you don't have enough usb ports https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/new-xeon-capable-motherboard-offers-20-usb-3-2-ports/ ?
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<srhb> Nice, maybe we can finally encrypt all the digital signatures of citizens in Denmark!
<eyJhb> Which digital signatures do you want to enc srhb ?
<das_j> adisbladis: Why do people still do the legacy USB A Type? :/
<gchristensen> I like USB-A :/
<gchristensen> it is simple. you never know what you're going to get with USB-C
<srhb> eyJhb: I just want NemID private keys to not be bulk en/decrypted :P
<sphalerite> philipp[m]: ooooh! Yes, the world needs more GNU Taler :D
<eyJhb> srhb: come on, that is the best thing!
<eyJhb> :D
<philipp[m]> sphalerite: I'm sooo hoping that it gets decent adoption.
<sphalerite> "Thisisnotperseasecurityproblemfortheexchange,butcertainlyanissuefortheacceptanceoftheGNUTalersystemforcustomersandmerchants.Andas we boldly assume that 300M Europeans are soon going to use GNU Taler,creating billions of coins a year on systems with unknown entropy of theirPRNG’s, the key distribution will be unknown and probably non-uniform."
<sphalerite> oh dear, PDF ate the spaces
<sphalerite> (this is from the security audit report)
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<gchristensen> Ourhardworkbythesewordsguardedpleasedontsteal
<joepie91> adisbladis: that board is basically that reddit meme about "what motherboard manufacturers think I want vs. what I actually want"
<joepie91> except in production
<adisbladis> gchristensen: That's my pet peeve with usb-c
<adisbladis> You look at the plug and you have no idea what it's actually for
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<cransom> it weirds me out that there's a xeon motherboard thats powered by a 12v barrel jack.
<gchristensen> lol.
<cransom> i guess, not a super heavy duty processor, but it's not a SoC system kind of thing either.
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<eyJhb> I might have the most expensive work laptop for what I use it for
<eyJhb> Total uptime would be around 2 hours, where 1.5 of them is windows updating
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<eyJhb> NOOO! NO sphalerite !!!!
<eyJhb> My work laptop has DisplayLink!! :((((( Everything is infected
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<das_j> eyJhb: Apart from it being an awful technology, it's quite okay
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<eyJhb> das_j: You take that back!
<eyJhb> :(
<das_j> make me!
<eyJhb> Why do you lave encrypted logs das_j ? :(
<eyJhb> love**
<das_j> What?
<das_j> I have neither love nor logs
<das_j> nor crypto
<sphalerite> eyJhb: rip
<eyJhb> Do you have DisplayLink on your laptop? (Not displayport) :p
<eyJhb> sphalerite: indeed... :(
<das_j> I used to use Displaylink, yes
<eyJhb> `3CsE2RCz5/k/eGKbTAR3REx3vGTrXeBArd1Tah1jHOcwDa25yMb2gYV0XMMWWm6jHXOtDPvzQUUtnQDFCUjPZxF7TFHeJ8Whbz6FpA9bkedI4tWV+SFCf7cAmD3uKu+XoUM8LX4ej1xY2Ioa5skC89YBmpaGzLkSsgUBi9ZPBeROMCdgCuY6NOIDCOIeAr4DG+YsurjLQc02/k4kJF+r8VXXXzPpib0aPQcBVKMdSWsKR/Pwy2nBIsQfcx6TqZxAgOMkXsyBbJ05/UIDPK81AwcD4sFRo+AK6BKsprCO2Ek9wKRHMqHoVFeG26K8QZm9NuB5G5WZZm2qvKcJIK6tR9VRUcBboN0jM9phgng/tY0=` is how the lines look in your
<eyJhb> logs :p
<eyJhb> Every single line is encrypted, in /var/logs/DisplayLink and base64 encoded
<eyJhb> It suuuucks...
<eyJhb> Not even sure what I shared with you guys now! Might be secrets to my computer
<ar> wait, displaylink works on linux now?
<cole-h> Anybody here have experience with Linode? Are they good/bad? I know they have NixOS support, but how good is it?
<eyJhb> ar: yes, and stay away from it if you can
<eyJhb> :p
<cole-h> Shopping around for cloud compute -- already tried packet.net, but they don't have any c2.medium.x86's right now (or rather, some of their datacenters are missing from my choices to deploy from).
<cole-h> (Specifically, cloud compute to use as a NixOS builder :P
<cole-h> )
<ar> eyJhb: my work laptop came with a displaylink "dock". iirc lelnovo 40AS
<ar> but i also can't remove windows from it, so there's that
<eyJhb> Ohhh, windows is hell to begin with, so that is OK then I guess
<eyJhb> I just use it to get a third display
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<eyJhb> Because my two other displays are QHD, it cannot drive the third one as well
<ar> that 40as dock can drive 2 4k displays at 60Hz over displayport
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<ar> though it ends up consuming lots of cpu if you even move a large empty notepad window around…
<cole-h> Alternatively, if anyone has a referral they want me to use for Linode, feel free to send it my way... :P
<eyJhb> ar I can imagine that. I just have a 1920x1080 monitor I use as a third display
<eyJhb> However, I have used that mostly for movies/videos most of the time :(
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<drakonis> cole-h: i do
<drakonis> i've been using linode
<cole-h> drakonis: How do you like them?
<drakonis> they're pretty decent
<drakonis> they don't get in your way for NixOS
<drakonis> the prices are good
<cole-h> One slight pain-point is how I have to get verified to kick off one of their "Dedicated 64GB" machines (to use as a NixOS builder)...
<cole-h> If only packet wasn't missing like 4 data centers 👀
<drakonis> verified?
<drakonis> oh yeah
<cole-h> Oh wait
<drakonis> i went with linode because it has enough low latency data centers
<cole-h> idk what happened differently, but I could create it now... :P
<drakonis> bloop i need to give you my code
<cole-h> F, already did it
<drakonis> i wanted that 20 buckaroos of credit :(
<drakonis> they also give you 20 bucks of free credit on registration
<drakonis> its permanent
<drakonis> which owns for me
<cole-h> RIP. I used the level1techs code for $100 free credit :P
<drakonis> that one isnt permanent, is it?
<cole-h> Maybe not.
<drakonis> the big codes arent
<drakonis> i got one from perusing the docs a while ago
<drakonis> linode's docs are reasonably decent
<drakonis> only available for people with $200 per month costs
<drakonis> monthly costs
<cole-h> One thing I like about Packet: automatic NixOS provisioning :P
<drakonis> of course
<drakonis> they have it as a headliner
<drakonis> i cant afford packet tho
<cole-h> I got $25 free credit for using the code "NixOS" :P
<drakonis> yes i've heard
<drakonis> their prices are high and they vet users
<cole-h> Do they?
<drakonis> yes
<cole-h> They didn't vet me. (Can't disagree about prices.)
<drakonis> i registered and had to wait for verification
<drakonis> they even emailed me about it
<drakonis> ended turning down the registration because the prices were high
<cole-h> Fiar
<drakonis> i dont have any particular use case that needs high end boxes right now
<cole-h> Fair
<cole-h> I'm only using as a NixOS builder for a little bit.
<drakonis> there's no cheapo vps box there
<gchristensen> indeed they don't have any vps
<cole-h> o/ gchristensen
<drakonis> greetings
<drakonis> i wish linode had better nixos provisioning support but eh
<cole-h> ^
<drakonis> i installed it manually through a rescue image
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<drakonis> that's what i've used
<drakonis> works quite well
<cole-h> Only downside is I'm incurring charges while following the guide :P
<cransom> hrm, i used the kexec approach because i wanted to zfs my machine.
<cransom> and then i didn't waste partition/space for a separate installer image.
<samueldr> there is a strategy which depends on how the rescue method works
<samueldr> where you run qemu with the host's disk attached, and the iso and everything is in ram of the rescue disk
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<drakonis> hmm, are CA builds documented yet?
<drakonis> wanted to fiddle with one
<sphalerite> samueldr: oh yeah, that one's useful for actual rescue scenarios too :D
<samueldr> that's how I setup my cheap-o kimsufi box
<samueldr> ran through their "helpful" setup once to get their system to allow me to boot the rescue image
<samueldr> then run qemu
<samueldr> don't forget to forward vnc over ssh
<samueldr> do a classic install, be mindful of the boot process! (legacy, UEFI)
<sphalerite> oh yeah and watch out that the VNC isn't open to the internet :D
<samueldr> yep
<sphalerite> (or don't, cc immae :D )
<cole-h> drakonis: The answer is probably "yes", but does a powered-off Linode still incur charges?
<ldlework> if a tree falls and no one is around does it make a sound?
<samueldr> if a tree falls and no one is around it's still squeezing the cloud
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<gchristensen> aws doesn't bill if your instance is off (except for storage)
<eyJhb> ... I need a throwaway Twitter account for yelling at companies
<samueldr> I wonder when those CRM software will start engaging only with accounts with "enough" followers or tweets with "enough" activity
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<eyJhb> samueldr: Please never
<eyJhb> Then I will have to rely on you guys!
<eyJhb> Also...
<eyJhb> PDF.js v1.8.355 (build: e9cbfbcc)
<eyJhb> Message: Unexpected server response (0) while retrieving PDF "https://www.moodle.aau.dk/pluginfile.php/2121127/mod_resource/content/1/MM_2.pdf".
<eyJhb> I have been getting that error for a month now, I can then ctrl+s that screen (Chromium) and open it from the downloads...
<samueldr> eyJhb: you know they'll rationalize that it's not worth it not to go full black mirror,
<samueldr> that your social clout is what matters
<ldlework> eyJhb: any luck with emacs?
<eyJhb> Prop true.. I however still need a way to complain! My server has been down for 24 hours, and I am not sure they know :((
<eyJhb> ldlework: no time.. .Sitting here at 20:54 doing lecture stuff.. :(
<ldlework> just checking in
<eyJhb> Hoping that when I have less courses, I can catch up with them all and thereby have some time to play around
<eyJhb> I still miss my fdroid project as well :(((
<drakonis> cole-h: yes
<drakonis> i just leave my vps powered up all the time
<drakonis> it'll always hit the charge cap by the end of the month
<eyJhb> Would it even save the environment, if we powered down our VPS' when not used?
<eyJhb> I guess the provider would just sell more of them
<drakonis> no
<drakonis> its all VMS
<drakonis> VMs
<samueldr> it all depends
<drakonis> it takes up storage
<samueldr> on how exactly it works on their end
<eyJhb> Yeah, but it would use less CPU, use less power, etc.
<samueldr> but probably yeah it won't change much
<drakonis> i guess
<drakonis> you're paying to keep the data in the vps
<eyJhb> Not sure what I answered or if it was directed at me drakonis :p
<samueldr> an unused VM on a computer vs. the same computer with the VM powered down is probably a rounding error
<eyJhb> But if we alllll did it?
<eyJhb> :D
<drakonis> difficult
<eyJhb> Yeah
<eyJhb> What about shared VPS, where you only had it for the 12 or so hours you are "awake"
<eyJhb> Sucks if you want to pull an all nighter
<gchristensen> an ssh proxy which starts the VPS when you connect
<gchristensen> lol this is possible.
<eyJhb> gchristensen: billion dollar idea :D
<eyJhb> *must use NixOS*
<cole-h> I think infinisil does that for his Minecraft server
<eyJhb> Yeah I say that, it is kinda cool!
<eyJhb> Could be a quite fun project at uni
<eyJhb> But sadly, not one I can do anymore.. Unless I can be very sciency about it
<drakonis> oh ho
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* infinisil is proud of the auto-started minecraft server
<infinisil> s/auto-started/auto-starting
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<ldlework> lorri should be a standard feature of nix-shell
<__monty__> It's really nice, yeah.
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<ldlework> What about Unison as the standard nixlang?
<ldlework> I heard that idea burped out lately.
<drakonis> unison?
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<drakonis> haskell based eh?
<joepie91> ldlework: holy shit, documentation that explicitly splits up in tutorials / concepts / reference
<joepie91> that's probably the first time I've seen this done so explicitly
<samueldr> unison is way too overloaded as a name :/
<samueldr> and I'm pretty sure there's at least one "not small" FLOSS project with that name
<joepie91> I was thinking I'd seen that name before :P
<__monty__> Yes, much like nix >.<
<cole-h> :x
<samueldr> yep
<__monty__> I seem to remember some smart-contracty thing. Maybe I'm thinking of urbit though.
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<joepie91> __monty__: I mean, at least it's not called Matrix. and Element. and Synapse.
<joepie91> :P
<joepie91> it's always a real joy to find stuff regarding Matrix The Protocol
<__monty__> The Enlightenment project has that quality too.
<cransom> pick any of the greek/latin stuff too. charon, *duck* hydra, etc.
<ashkitten> [56321.865209] xhci_hcd 0000:06:00.1: Mismatch between completed Set TR Deq Ptr command & xHCI internal state.
<ashkitten> [56321.865212] xhci_hcd 0000:06:00.1: ep deq seg = 00000000882d03ef, deq ptr = 000000007b083fb7
<ashkitten> [56332.196857] xhci_hcd 0000:06:00.1: xHCI host not responding to stop endpoint command.
<ashkitten> [56332.196859] xhci_hcd 0000:06:00.1: USBSTS: HCHalted HCE
<ashkitten> [56332.196864] xhci_hcd 0000:06:00.1: xHCI host controller not responding, assume dead
<ashkitten> [56332.196898] xhci_hcd 0000:06:00.1: HC died; cleaning up
<ashkitten> :/
<ashkitten> this keeps happening
<ashkitten> maybe there's something wrong with my motherboard
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<immae> sphalerite: :p
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<ashkitten> i never found a use for ifttt anyways
<ashkitten> i remember when it first appeared and i was like "huh, cool. i don't have any reason to use this"
<ashkitten> but that's just how i am with a lot of stuff
<cole-h> I use it to save the time I charge my phone in a spreadsheet to someday make a fancy graph out of, as well as other things
<ashkitten> is there a reason steamvr's openxr implementation doesn't work in firefox?
<ashkitten> is it bubblewrap that's the issue?
<samueldr> I think you're getting into a specialist topic and I don't know of anyone else than you knowing about those kind of things :)
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<pie_> restic users: https://restic.net/blog/2020-09-19/restic-0.10.0-released/ released the other day
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<pie_> the latter not being here
<abathur> nice
<ashkitten> ,locate libz.so.1
<{^_^}> Found in packages: gap, zlib, gap-full, scilab-bin, gap-minimal, signal-desktop, jetbrains.clion
<pie_> its called zlib and it always trips me up
<ashkitten> yeah :p
<ashkitten> there needs to be a way to easily add libs to the steam-runtime package
<ashkitten> for things that need extra libs
<pie_> add a param
<pie_> well i guess if it was anything like overrideAttrs...
<pie_> i did look at steam-run once and it was weird
<pie_> i should take another look at some point
<pie_> actually, it cant be that hard to do...?
<joepie91> famous last words
<ashkitten> it seems like it's just uh
<ashkitten> steam.override { extraPkgs = p: [ p.whatever ]; }