<DigitalKiwi>
the only time people read them is when gchristensen retwets them
<DigitalKiwi>
retwet
<worldofpeace>
aww, I look at your twitter sometimes. and maybe it doesn't really matter if someone reads it or not, as long as it felt important to yourself
<DigitalKiwi>
thnks
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<gchristensen>
"Could not set BootOrder: No space left on device" ruh roh
<andi->
UEFI <3
<gchristensen>
have I broken it? :P
<drakonis>
the secret to never seeing that message is to not store your generations on the uefi partition
<andi->
no, you probably just have a bunch of debug/crash/… files in there...
<gchristensen>
in ... what?
<andi->
I actually got the solution to that from samueldr >2y ago IIRC
<andi->
let me grep for that
<drakonis>
store it on the boot directory
<gchristensen>
where would they be lol
<drakonis>
at /boot instead of /boot/efi
<andi->
usually it is due to many files in /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
<drakonis>
hm
<drakonis>
was thinking of a different issue
<gchristensen>
drakonis: this is in the firmware :)
<drakonis>
oh
<drakonis>
its probably too many entries then?
<gchristensen>
this is defining the order in which devices are tried
<drakonis>
i'm aware, yes.
<gchristensen>
and I only set one drive
<gchristensen>
"On a different machine (Dell XPS 8500) I reproduced this with RC4 (.git2.3).A workaround is to reboot 30 times (each reboot generates some garbage; my nvram is 128K; YMMV) and trigger firmware garbage collection." oh lord
<samueldr>
no space left on device at that moment is definitely an efivars issue
<drakonis>
welp, faulty efi implementations
<samueldr>
nope, not necessarily
<samueldr>
linux is dumping stuff in there
<samueldr>
or well, can
<gchristensen>
is it these dump-typex-y-timestamp files?
<samueldr>
I haven't faced the issue myself, so I'm looking up how to look them up
<samueldr>
sudo mount -t pstore pstore /sys/fs/pstore/
<samueldr>
sudo -i
<samueldr>
cat /sys/fs/pstore/*
<samueldr>
and marvel at fragments of dmesg from previous oopsies
<gchristensen>
:O
<samueldr>
well, not you, since you deleted them
<samueldr>
drivers/firmware/efi/efi-pstore.c
<andi->
I knew the pstore existed but wasnt aware it actually just works o.O I saw some systemd changelog about that but never got to actually look at it
<samueldr>
looks like it works!
<samueldr>
that's a reason I looked it up
<samueldr>
if it works, it's really good to know
<gchristensen>
this is the worst problem
<gchristensen>
this system seems to forget order data
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<cole-h>
What font do most of you guys use in your terminals and/or editors? Interested in font-hopping for a little bit.
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<eyJhb>
ANybody using Gitlab Runners? Currently I cannot pull a docker image from my Runner (docker in container)
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<infinisil>
Aw man, the state of docs is really bad. It's so bad that's it's become normal to tell people to "grep for examples" instead of pointing to (nonexistant) docs
<infinisil>
And I've become used to always read the source of an expression before using it to avoid any suprises
<DigitalKiwi>
i for one hate astronomers being able to view the sky
<DigitalKiwi>
super stoked about 5G taking out weather forecasting
<DigitalKiwi>
and i can't wait for satellite billboards
<DigitalKiwi>
isn't the future great
<__monty__>
What does starlink have to do with 5G?
<DigitalKiwi>
i can hate them both
<DigitalKiwi>
(they're all problematic, the reasons are not necessarily in common, though some are, and in spite of whether or not the technology is ostensibly related)
<__monty__>
Ok, then what are your reasons for hating starlink? The mission sounds great, bringing internet access to large parts of the world where fiber isn't feasible any time soon.
<DigitalKiwi>
Concerns have been raised about the long-term danger of space junk resulting from placing thousands of satellites in orbits above 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) [7] and a possible impact on astronomy,[8] although SpaceX is reportedly attempting to solve the latter issue.[9]
<__monty__>
Well they're not putting starlink satellites at that orbit.
<__monty__>
They're deployed at 550km afaik?
<__monty__>
Designed to deorbit with boosters and if those fail it'll take ~5 years for them to fall into the atmosphere of their own accord.
<__monty__>
That's much less than the hundreds of thousands of years it takes at ~1000km.
<__monty__>
Have you actually looked into starlink at all or are you hating on principle?
<DigitalKiwi>
a few people have suggested that astronomers move their observatories to the moon or otherwise off earth as a solution
<DigitalKiwi>
which...while a solution, and may even allow BETTER obersavations, is not really feasible at this time ;)
<DigitalKiwi>
no atmosphere or weather to get in the way
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<makefu>
what i am scared of most is a collision between these new objects and creating a chain reaction of collisions, making the orbit inaccessible to future generations
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<infinisil>
makefu: A collision is already very unlikely, a chain reaction of collisions is even less likely, space is very vast. In addition, larger pieces are tracked and avoided by maneuvering around them
<DigitalKiwi>
anyway, a lot of the problems do have solutions, yes, maybe there is a lot of benefit that's not possible any other way (i'm not convinced of this), but i don't think enough thought has gone into it and i don't trust these corporations to be making actually good decisions
<DigitalKiwi>
they don't even know how bullet proof glass is supposed to work ;)
<DigitalKiwi>
or crumple zones
<Taneb>
They're still lifting things by putting them on an aerodynamic bomb
<DigitalKiwi>
what do we want, space elevators, when do we want it, as soon as someone figures out a strong enough rope
<infinisil>
DigitalKiwi: If you have a better solution to bringing internet to those that don't have it as of now, I'd love to hear it
<DigitalKiwi>
do they have cell phones
<DigitalKiwi>
honest question
<DigitalKiwi>
4G is actually pretty-fucking-fast but providers don't utilize it...
<DigitalKiwi>
which is 1 criticsm i have of 5G. that it will be used by the surveillance state(s) and what it's capable of giving them is another scary consequence...
<DigitalKiwi>
they can tell where you are within inches
<DigitalKiwi>
i'm sure they'll never abuse this
<DigitalKiwi>
can a yubikey or something enter my sudo password at the touch of a button
<DigitalKiwi>
ideally i'd have to enter it one time when i connect it but after that button
<eyJhb>
Yeah, but you can't even focus the search bar, or type in stuff
<eyJhb>
E.g. in FF you can focus it, and get it to appear, that is not possible in chrome even if you try
<__monty__>
Oh, that sounds unfortunate yeah. Time to switch : >
<eyJhb>
Yeah, that is the main reason I want to switch to FF
<eyJhb>
Also, Chromium has some VERY WEIRD bugs on Linux in general. E.g. When using DigitalOcean it cannot remember me for the 60 days, but can in any other browser
<__monty__>
Maybe it's just stricter on how long it keeps cookies around?
<eyJhb>
Maybe? Not sure... It annoys me so so much
<eyJhb>
And Digital Oceans support are sometime HORRIBLE
<eyJhb>
Also, didn't know expensive cameras 1. Have their own AP 2. Can connect to a WiFi AP
<eyJhb>
This opens up for SO much fun. But not sure I will be allowed to play with the 10.000+,- DKK camera
<eyJhb>
> DKK 10000
<{^_^}>
"10000 DKK = 1500.000000 USD"
<__monty__>
So many 0's.
<infinisil>
I wonder why Nix doesn't have a more standard floating point printer
<eyJhb>
__monty__: it is to emphasize it! ;)
<eyJhb>
infinisil: isn't floating point in Nix generally somewhat magic?
<infinisil>
It is?
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<eyJhb>
I just seem to remember a conversation at some point, where it seemed like it is magical
<eyJhb>
And shouldn't really be used
<infinisil>
The only thing I can think of is that there once was a bug that made "(1.0 * 1) * 1" error out
<infinisil>
But that's been fixed
<infinisil>
I think
<infinisil>
> (1.0 * 1) * 1
<{^_^}>
1
<infinisil>
Yeah :)
<eyJhb>
> (1.0 * 10) / 10 * 25 + 2
<{^_^}>
27
<eyJhb>
Damn. It works
<eyJhb>
Anyone made NixOS do algebra and solve some basic integrals?
<gchristensen>
:|
<eyJhb>
Go go gchristensen, I know you want to!
<gchristensen>
lol
<gchristensen>
too busy writing spyware
<eyJhb>
When will we see the spyware integrated into NixOS? gchristensen personal botnet
<gchristensen>
lol
<viric>
in the past I used mupad to do those calculus things
<gchristensen>
it'll be embedded in to nix's integral library
<eyJhb>
I just use Python now for all the things..
<eyJhb>
And most things are faster to solve by hand, and more fun! Unless you spend 1 hour isolating stuff
<viric>
I don't know what's the FOSS thing for calculus nowadays
<eyJhb>
I think Python + Jupyter notebook?
<infinisil>
> sqrt = a: let iter = x: let x' = (x + a / x) / 2; d = x' - x; in if d < 0.0001 && d > -0.0001 then x' else iter x'; in iter (a / 2.0 + 0.5)
<{^_^}>
sqrt defined
<infinisil>
> sqrt 3
<{^_^}>
1.73205
<infinisil>
:D
<infinisil>
> sqrt = a: let iter = x: let x' = (x + a / x) / 2; d = x' - x; in if d < 0.00001 && d > -0.00001 then x' else iter x'; in iter (a / 2.0 + 0.5)
<{^_^}>
sqrt defined
<infinisil>
> sqrt 3
<{^_^}>
1.73205
<gchristensen>
oh no
<gchristensen>
> sqrt 0
<{^_^}>
7.62939e-06
<infinisil>
Close enough
<infinisil>
> sqrt 56236
<{^_^}>
237.141
<infinisil>
Checks out
<viric>
eyJhb: the few words I read about jupyter don't tell me about calculus
<infinisil>
> sqrt (-1)
<{^_^}>
division by zero, at (string):218:40
<infinisil>
> sqrt 0.5
<{^_^}>
0.707107
<eyJhb>
infinisil: won't it performe really bad with high numbers?
<infinisil>
I guess it might be time to implement a timeout finally!
<infinisil>
Oh there we go
<infinisil>
> isPrime 13
<{^_^}>
true
<infinisil>
> isPrime 6547
<{^_^}>
true
<infinisil>
> nextPrime 6548
<{^_^}>
6551
<infinisil>
> nextPrime 652623
<{^_^}>
652627
<infinisil>
:D
<eyJhb>
Is gplaycli working for anyone else?
<eyJhb>
Nvm :)
<gchristensen>
I wonder if there is a way to go from xterm -> zsh to xterm -> myprogram -> zsh, in a way that myprogram can read stdout / stderr / manipulate stdin, while zsh still thinks its connected to a tty
<DigitalKiwi>
would screen do what you need or are you doing something completely different
<__monty__>
Clearly developing developer-targeted spyware : O
<emily>
so all the bug reports closed as saying sway will never ever implement that were lies then :s
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<colemickens>
Not that I have a dog in the fight, but I think they did avoid large workarounds in Sway/wlroots due to the work in Xwayland, and I think it was maybe not the core usual Sway devs?
<colemickens>
I'm a bit surprised, the patches seems fairly small to have taken as long as they have. Maybe my plan to buy people hi dpi monitors wasn't a bad one :P
<emily>
IIRC it was sircmpwn who was dismissive about it ... not that that surprises me ^^;
<emily>
I just use Gnome's compositor with PaperWM these days
<colemickens>
I sort of drank the koolaid. (though maybe I shouldn't use that phrase...)
<colemickens>
I mostly manipulate windows with the mouse though, ha.
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<colemickens>
I always feel like a poser when I exclusively rearrange and resize with my touchpad, oh well!
<emily>
I personally like the three-finger-gesture window/workspace scrolling too
<emily>
couldn't use "plain" gnome for long at this point
<emily>
sway mostly just had a bunch of inefficiencies and bugs that never seemed to go away
<emily>
like zalgo text stretches out all window borders
<emily>
and the bug was closed as WONTFIX "don't set your window titles to stuff like that, there's nothing we can do"
<emily>
which...
<colemickens>
TIL, I'll have to check it out. TBH, I did notice that some things just "worked better" when I used GDM to login to Sway once instead of TTY.
<colemickens>
I think it was mostly the keychain, but frankly that was nice and me and PAM don't get along too well historically.
<colemickens>
LOL the window title emojis one?
<samueldr>
oh, paperwm looks kinda neat
<colemickens>
yeah, I think that finally got "fixed" in Sway too. I've noticed it finally stopped popping up.
<DigitalKiwi>
samueldr: was it grape flavor aid
<colemickens>
That or emojis in NixOS finally worked themselves out?
<colemickens>
Anyway, TIL of PaperWM, thanks!
<emily>
cocreature: emojis caused it but also fancy unicode combining chars
<emily>
er, colemickens:
<emily>
i fixed emoji size with fontconfig stuff but nothing you can do about a bunch of combining chars in a webpage title
<DigitalKiwi>
is there a WMonad
<emily>
I think there are attempts at ports but nothing day-to-day usable
<samueldr>
>> SuperReturn will open a new window
<samueldr>
does that work well with non-gnome apps too?
<emily>
wayland compositors are responsible for a lot more than X11 window managers, you pick up a lot of the complexity of the X server
<emily>
so there are fewer options
<samueldr>
does it simply run the executable that's detectable by the WM?
<emily>
not sure how exactly it works
<emily>
it seems to behave differently to just running the executable to me though
<joepie91>
colemickens: oh well xfwm4 randomly crashed when there were certain Unicode characters in the titlebar of a window
<joepie91>
the exact set of characters seemed to vary by system, somehow...
<joepie91>
this was a bug for years, not sure if it's finally fixed now
<joepie91>
there's an issue on an issue tracker somewhere about it, rotting away
<colemickens>
That sounds fun!
<samueldr>
I sure hope that sequence was in the issue title, and in their html <title> for the issue tracker
<joepie91>
lol
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<gchristensen>
colemickens: beautiful!
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<eyJhb>
samueldr: had a guy find bug XSS bug, that needed to be reported on their issue tracker. The issue tracker was vulnerable for XSS as well
<samueldr>
yay!
<eyJhb>
The joy
<eyJhb>
Also, for some reason Gitlab doesn't want to pull containers inside a container anymore.... :(
<joepie91>
eyJhb: reminds me of the SHA1 collision test breaking Chrome's git repo
<joepie91>
:P
<eyJhb>
joepie91 10/10 decision :p But makes sense
<joepie91>
"oh crap, Git uses SHA1 too..."
* joepie91
strikes another item off his OSS todo list
<samueldr>
I thought it was webkit's
<joepie91>
at least I've gotten some stuff done today...
<joepie91>
samueldr: I think it was Chrome? not sure though
<samueldr>
or was it another boo boo that they committed to their repo?
<eyJhb>
I have just renamed files joepie91 ....
<eyJhb>
And made SOME stuff
<joepie91>
random thought, I wonder if you could prevent corporate usage of a library by adding the EICAR test string into the repo...
<joepie91>
given that a lot of corporate networks have AVs that scan all inbound traffic...
<eyJhb>
EICAR test?
<samueldr>
a fun bag of bytes
<joepie91>
eyJhb: standardized test string that will make AVs detect it as malware
<eyJhb>
`X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*` I guess
<samueldr>
was about to share it
<samueldr>
it would have been funny to see a couple irc peeps disconnect
<samueldr>
oh, TIL about GTUBE XJS*C4JDBQADN1.NSBN3*2IDNEN*GTUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-UBE-TEST-EMAIL*C.34X
<eyJhb>
I remember some bug in Skype once... `http://`, crashed a lot
<eyJhb>
Just setting your name to that, what fun!
<joepie91>
samueldr: that used to work :P
<joepie91>
force-disconnecting people with that string