gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<DigitalKiwi> what :)
<DigitalKiwi> not like anyone reads my tweets
<DigitalKiwi> the only time people read them is when gchristensen retwets them
<DigitalKiwi> retwet
<worldofpeace> aww, I look at your twitter sometimes. and maybe it doesn't really matter if someone reads it or not, as long as it felt important to yourself
<DigitalKiwi> thnks
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<gchristensen> "Could not set BootOrder: No space left on device" ruh roh
<andi-> UEFI <3
<gchristensen> have I broken it? :P
<drakonis> the secret to never seeing that message is to not store your generations on the uefi partition
<andi-> no, you probably just have a bunch of debug/crash/… files in there...
<gchristensen> in ... what?
<andi-> I actually got the solution to that from samueldr >2y ago IIRC
<andi-> let me grep for that
<drakonis> store it on the boot directory
<gchristensen> where would they be lol
<drakonis> at /boot instead of /boot/efi
<andi-> usually it is due to many files in /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
<drakonis> hm
<drakonis> was thinking of a different issue
<gchristensen> drakonis: this is in the firmware :)
<drakonis> oh
<drakonis> its probably too many entries then?
<gchristensen> this is defining the order in which devices are tried
<drakonis> i'm aware, yes.
<gchristensen> and I only set one drive
<gchristensen> "On a different machine (Dell XPS 8500) I reproduced this with RC4 (.git2.3).A workaround is to reboot 30 times (each reboot generates some garbage; my nvram is 128K; YMMV) and trigger firmware garbage collection." oh lord
<samueldr> no space left on device at that moment is definitely an efivars issue
<drakonis> welp, faulty efi implementations
<samueldr> nope, not necessarily
<samueldr> linux is dumping stuff in there
<samueldr> or well, can
<gchristensen> is it these dump-typex-y-timestamp files?
<samueldr> I haven't faced the issue myself, so I'm looking up how to look them up
<samueldr> but that sounds likely
<samueldr> /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/dump-* apparently
<gchristensen> I wonder if there is anything sensitive in them, and if bare metal server hosting companies deal with it properly
<gchristensen> samueldr: I can just `rm` them?
<gchristensen> safely*
<samueldr> not sure
<andi-> I think that is what I ended up doing the last time
<{^_^}> #27821 (by johnramsden, 2 years ago, closed): Cannot create efi boot entry - No space left on device
<gchristensen> well, not my box, let's see what happens.
<samueldr> strings /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/dump-* | sort -u | less # can't see anything bad
<andi-> Yeah, exactly that issue... I failed to grep for any relevant term in my logs :/
<samueldr> [nix-shell:~]$ ls -l /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/dump-* | wc -l
<samueldr> 122
* samueldr is looking up relevant upstream info
<samueldr> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
<samueldr> efivarfs 0 0 0 - /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
<samueldr> :/ I guess it's fine since I'm not changing boot order??
<samueldr> or maybe it doesn't report space afailable
<andi-> only my super micro boards still have a bunch of these files.. doesn't look very interesting looking at the binary garbage
<gchristensen> efivarfs 0 0 0 - /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
<gchristensen> :)
<samueldr> okay
<samueldr> sudo mount -t pstore pstore /sys/fs/pstore/
<samueldr> sudo -i
<samueldr> cat /sys/fs/pstore/*
<samueldr> and marvel at fragments of dmesg from previous oopsies
<gchristensen> :O
<samueldr> well, not you, since you deleted them
<samueldr> drivers/firmware/efi/efi-pstore.c
<andi-> I knew the pstore existed but wasnt aware it actually just works o.O I saw some systemd changelog about that but never got to actually look at it
<samueldr> looks like it works!
<samueldr> that's a reason I looked it up
<samueldr> if it works, it's really good to know
<gchristensen> this is the worst problem
<gchristensen> this system seems to forget order data
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<cole-h> What font do most of you guys use in your terminals and/or editors? Interested in font-hopping for a little bit.
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<jackdk> PxPlus VGA9 from https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/
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<eyJhb> ANybody using Gitlab Runners? Currently I cannot pull a docker image from my Runner (docker in container)
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<infinisil> Aw man, the state of docs is really bad. It's so bad that's it's become normal to tell people to "grep for examples" instead of pointing to (nonexistant) docs
<infinisil> And I've become used to always read the source of an expression before using it to avoid any suprises
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<srk> alias gg='git grep -i'
<srk> :)
<infinisil> SpaceX Starlink launch in T-7:30 minutes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xeX62mLcf8
<__monty__> Oh, thanks!
<infinisil> gchristensen: ^ :)
<infinisil> We should have a ,launch thing that pings everybody interested in rocket launches :P
<infinisil> ,launch = Ping for space stuff: infinisil
<{^_^}> launch defined
<infinisil> (feel free to add yourself :))
<Taneb> ,launch = Ping for space stuff: infinisil Taneb
<{^_^}> launch redefined, was defined as Ping for space stuff: infinisil
<infinisil> T-1 minute!
<Taneb> Rocket launches are so impressive
<infinisil> Where is stage 1 ??
<srk> missed :D
<Taneb> I think they lost camera
<__monty__> 💦
<infinisil> Whaaa
<infinisil> Did they use the wrong landing pad feed?
<__monty__> No, I'm pretty sure the booster took a dive.
<infinisil> Damnit
<__monty__> What's that?
<__monty__> Not gonna get rickrolled today : >
<Taneb> Not a rickroll (alternate launch stream I think)
<infinisil> EverydayAstronaut commentary
<infinisil> Lots of F's in chat *sob*
<infinisil> And that stream's done too
<__monty__> The first isn't yet.
<__monty__> It'll show starlink deploy in a minute.
<infinisil> Ah
<infinisil> RIP falcon stage 1
<infinisil> No 50th landing
<__monty__> Are starlinks gonna be geostationary? Or at least equator circling?
<infinisil> __monty__: Can't be, because they need to cover the whole world
<infinisil> Geostationary could only cover the equator
<infinisil> With internet
<__monty__> GPS covers the world and is geostationary iirc?
<infinisil> Doesn't seem to be the case no: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_satellite_blocks
<DigitalKiwi> did they get them deployed
<DigitalKiwi> i for one hate astronomers being able to view the sky
<DigitalKiwi> super stoked about 5G taking out weather forecasting
<DigitalKiwi> and i can't wait for satellite billboards
<DigitalKiwi> isn't the future great
<__monty__> What does starlink have to do with 5G?
<DigitalKiwi> i can hate them both
<DigitalKiwi> (they're all problematic, the reasons are not necessarily in common, though some are, and in spite of whether or not the technology is ostensibly related)
<__monty__> Ok, then what are your reasons for hating starlink? The mission sounds great, bringing internet access to large parts of the world where fiber isn't feasible any time soon.
<DigitalKiwi> Concerns have been raised about the long-term danger of space junk resulting from placing thousands of satellites in orbits above 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) [7] and a possible impact on astronomy,[8] although SpaceX is reportedly attempting to solve the latter issue.[9]
<__monty__> Well they're not putting starlink satellites at that orbit.
<__monty__> They're deployed at 550km afaik?
<__monty__> Designed to deorbit with boosters and if those fail it'll take ~5 years for them to fall into the atmosphere of their own accord.
<__monty__> That's much less than the hundreds of thousands of years it takes at ~1000km.
<__monty__> Have you actually looked into starlink at all or are you hating on principle?
<infinisil> __monty__: They do, DigitalKiwi quoted from the wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starlink
<infinisil> Personally I'm not concerned about that. Yes it's a problem, but it shouldn't stop great advancements
<__monty__> I'm lost.
<DigitalKiwi> also see the disruption to astronomy that they're attempts to mitigate are laughable
<DigitalKiwi> their, dangit
<infinisil> I find the problem of billions of people not having good internet access more troubling in current times than space junk
<__monty__> What's these disruptions to astronomy?
<infinisil> __monty__: See the Criticism section in the wiki link
<DigitalKiwi> a few people have suggested that astronomers move their observatories to the moon or otherwise off earth as a solution
<DigitalKiwi> which...while a solution, and may even allow BETTER obersavations, is not really feasible at this time ;)
<DigitalKiwi> no atmosphere or weather to get in the way
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<makefu> what i am scared of most is a collision between these new objects and creating a chain reaction of collisions, making the orbit inaccessible to future generations
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<infinisil> makefu: A collision is already very unlikely, a chain reaction of collisions is even less likely, space is very vast. In addition, larger pieces are tracked and avoided by maneuvering around them
<infinisil> Oh I think I found what you mean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome
<DigitalKiwi> anyway, a lot of the problems do have solutions, yes, maybe there is a lot of benefit that's not possible any other way (i'm not convinced of this), but i don't think enough thought has gone into it and i don't trust these corporations to be making actually good decisions
<DigitalKiwi> they don't even know how bullet proof glass is supposed to work ;)
<DigitalKiwi> or crumple zones
<Taneb> They're still lifting things by putting them on an aerodynamic bomb
<DigitalKiwi> what do we want, space elevators, when do we want it, as soon as someone figures out a strong enough rope
<infinisil> DigitalKiwi: If you have a better solution to bringing internet to those that don't have it as of now, I'd love to hear it
<DigitalKiwi> do they have cell phones
<DigitalKiwi> honest question
<DigitalKiwi> 4G is actually pretty-fucking-fast but providers don't utilize it...
<DigitalKiwi> which is 1 criticsm i have of 5G. that it will be used by the surveillance state(s) and what it's capable of giving them is another scary consequence...
<DigitalKiwi> they can tell where you are within inches
<DigitalKiwi> i'm sure they'll never abuse this
<DigitalKiwi> can a yubikey or something enter my sudo password at the touch of a button
<DigitalKiwi> ideally i'd have to enter it one time when i connect it but after that button
<DigitalKiwi> infinisil: thanks
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<DigitalKiwi> what was that open source alternative to yubikey people were talking about the other day
<__monty__> Solokey?
<__monty__> Something Solo.
<DigitalKiwi> as opposed to the chat bots that were talking about it
<DigitalKiwi> ya that's it thanks
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<cole-h> Yep SoloKey :)
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<ashkitten> oh thats good im gonna look at that
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<eyJhb> Anyone else bothered by the new Chromium update, which breaks fullscreen mode?
<eyJhb> (not showing URL anymore)
<__monty__> I don't use chrome but I prefer as much as possible getting out of my way when fullscreening.
<__monty__> The whole point of fullscreen is to focus on content.
<manveru> hmm https://github.com/phuhl/linux_notification_center looks nice, anyone up for packaging some haskell? :)
<eyJhb> Yeah, but you can't even focus the search bar, or type in stuff
<eyJhb> E.g. in FF you can focus it, and get it to appear, that is not possible in chrome even if you try
<__monty__> Oh, that sounds unfortunate yeah. Time to switch : >
<eyJhb> Yeah, that is the main reason I want to switch to FF
<eyJhb> Also, Chromium has some VERY WEIRD bugs on Linux in general. E.g. When using DigitalOcean it cannot remember me for the 60 days, but can in any other browser
<__monty__> Maybe it's just stricter on how long it keeps cookies around?
<eyJhb> Maybe? Not sure... It annoys me so so much
<eyJhb> And Digital Oceans support are sometime HORRIBLE
<eyJhb> Also, didn't know expensive cameras 1. Have their own AP 2. Can connect to a WiFi AP
<eyJhb> This opens up for SO much fun. But not sure I will be allowed to play with the 10.000+,- DKK camera
<eyJhb> > DKK 10000
<{^_^}> "10000 DKK = 1500.000000 USD"
<__monty__> So many 0's.
<infinisil> I wonder why Nix doesn't have a more standard floating point printer
<eyJhb> __monty__: it is to emphasize it! ;)
<eyJhb> infinisil: isn't floating point in Nix generally somewhat magic?
<infinisil> It is?
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<eyJhb> I just seem to remember a conversation at some point, where it seemed like it is magical
<eyJhb> And shouldn't really be used
<infinisil> The only thing I can think of is that there once was a bug that made "(1.0 * 1) * 1" error out
<infinisil> But that's been fixed
<infinisil> I think
<infinisil> > (1.0 * 1) * 1
<{^_^}> 1
<infinisil> Yeah :)
<eyJhb> > (1.0 * 10) / 10 * 25 + 2
<{^_^}> 27
<eyJhb> Damn. It works
<eyJhb> Anyone made NixOS do algebra and solve some basic integrals?
<gchristensen> :|
<eyJhb> Go go gchristensen, I know you want to!
<gchristensen> lol
<gchristensen> too busy writing spyware
<eyJhb> When will we see the spyware integrated into NixOS? gchristensen personal botnet
<gchristensen> lol
<viric> in the past I used mupad to do those calculus things
<gchristensen> it'll be embedded in to nix's integral library
<eyJhb> gchristensen: what is it?
<eyJhb> viric: isn't mupad from Matlab?
<viric> it was not from matlab
<viric> oh they bought mupad?
<eyJhb> I guess :/
<eyJhb> I just use Python now for all the things..
<eyJhb> And most things are faster to solve by hand, and more fun! Unless you spend 1 hour isolating stuff
<viric> I don't know what's the FOSS thing for calculus nowadays
<eyJhb> I think Python + Jupyter notebook?
<infinisil> > sqrt = a: let iter = x: let x' = (x + a / x) / 2; d = x' - x; in if d < 0.0001 && d > -0.0001 then x' else iter x'; in iter (a / 2.0 + 0.5)
<{^_^}> sqrt defined
<infinisil> > sqrt 3
<{^_^}> 1.73205
<infinisil> :D
<infinisil> > sqrt = a: let iter = x: let x' = (x + a / x) / 2; d = x' - x; in if d < 0.00001 && d > -0.00001 then x' else iter x'; in iter (a / 2.0 + 0.5)
<{^_^}> sqrt defined
<infinisil> > sqrt 3
<{^_^}> 1.73205
<gchristensen> oh no
<gchristensen> > sqrt 0
<{^_^}> 7.62939e-06
<infinisil> Close enough
<infinisil> > sqrt 56236
<{^_^}> 237.141
<infinisil> Checks out
<viric> eyJhb: the few words I read about jupyter don't tell me about calculus
<infinisil> > sqrt (-1)
<{^_^}> division by zero, at (string):218:40
<infinisil> > sqrt 0.5
<{^_^}> 0.707107
<eyJhb> infinisil: won't it performe really bad with high numbers?
<eyJhb> What will happen to {^_^} ?
<infinisil> > sqrt 562632652362650345201874250186472501.0
<{^_^}> 7.50088e+17
<infinisil> The magic of Newton's method
<eyJhb> viric: Haven't used it for that, just thought it could
<eyJhb> > sqrt 36
<{^_^}> 6
<gchristensen> > ack = m: n: if m == 0 then n + 1 else if (m > 0 && n == 0) then (ack (m - 1) 1) else (ack (m - 1) (ack m (n - 1)))
<{^_^}> ack defined
<infinisil> Oh no
<gchristensen> who dares ... call Ackermann's Function.
<gchristensen> infinisil: litterally LOL at you saying "oh no" to me, something I have said countlessly to you :P
<infinisil> xD
<infinisil> > ack 3 2
<{^_^}> 29
<infinisil> > ack 4 1
<gchristensen> going big I see
<infinisil> This might take a while..
<gchristensen> when testing, out of respect for your system, I didn't do anything more than 3 4 :)
<{^_^}> error: stack overflow (possible infinite recursion)
<infinisil> I guess it might be time to implement a timeout finally!
<infinisil> Oh there we go
<infinisil> > isPrime 13
<{^_^}> true
<infinisil> > isPrime 6547
<{^_^}> true
<infinisil> > nextPrime 6548
<{^_^}> 6551
<infinisil> > nextPrime 652623
<{^_^}> 652627
<infinisil> :D
<eyJhb> Is gplaycli working for anyone else?
<eyJhb> Nvm :)
<gchristensen> I wonder if there is a way to go from xterm -> zsh to xterm -> myprogram -> zsh, in a way that myprogram can read stdout / stderr / manipulate stdin, while zsh still thinks its connected to a tty
<DigitalKiwi> would screen do what you need or are you doing something completely different
<__monty__> Clearly developing developer-targeted spyware : O
<colemickens> For Sway + hidpi users, a sneak preview of non-blurry xwayland: https://github.com/colemickens/nixpkgs-wayland/pull/197
<{^_^}> colemickens/nixpkgs-wayland#197 (by colemickens, 12 hours ago, open): XWayland Pleasant Scaling
<emily> so all the bug reports closed as saying sway will never ever implement that were lies then :s
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<colemickens> Not that I have a dog in the fight, but I think they did avoid large workarounds in Sway/wlroots due to the work in Xwayland, and I think it was maybe not the core usual Sway devs?
<colemickens> I'm a bit surprised, the patches seems fairly small to have taken as long as they have. Maybe my plan to buy people hi dpi monitors wasn't a bad one :P
<emily> IIRC it was sircmpwn who was dismissive about it ... not that that surprises me ^^;
<emily> I just use Gnome's compositor with PaperWM these days
<colemickens> I sort of drank the koolaid. (though maybe I shouldn't use that phrase...)
<colemickens> I mostly manipulate windows with the mouse though, ha.
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<colemickens> I always feel like a poser when I exclusively rearrange and resize with my touchpad, oh well!
<samueldr> it's fine, they weren't drinking kool-aid branded powdered flavour anyway
* colemickens giggles at the imagery
<emily> PaperWM has nice tiling features :)
<emily> I personally like the three-finger-gesture window/workspace scrolling too
<emily> couldn't use "plain" gnome for long at this point
<emily> sway mostly just had a bunch of inefficiencies and bugs that never seemed to go away
<emily> like zalgo text stretches out all window borders
<emily> and the bug was closed as WONTFIX "don't set your window titles to stuff like that, there's nothing we can do"
<emily> which...
<colemickens> TIL, I'll have to check it out. TBH, I did notice that some things just "worked better" when I used GDM to login to Sway once instead of TTY.
<colemickens> I think it was mostly the keychain, but frankly that was nice and me and PAM don't get along too well historically.
<colemickens> LOL the window title emojis one?
<samueldr> oh, paperwm looks kinda neat
<colemickens> yeah, I think that finally got "fixed" in Sway too. I've noticed it finally stopped popping up.
<DigitalKiwi> samueldr: was it grape flavor aid
<colemickens> That or emojis in NixOS finally worked themselves out?
<colemickens> Anyway, TIL of PaperWM, thanks!
<emily> cocreature: emojis caused it but also fancy unicode combining chars
<emily> er, colemickens:
<emily> i fixed emoji size with fontconfig stuff but nothing you can do about a bunch of combining chars in a webpage title
<DigitalKiwi> is there a WMonad
<emily> I think there are attempts at ports but nothing day-to-day usable
<samueldr> >> SuperReturn will open a new window
<samueldr> does that work well with non-gnome apps too?
<emily> wayland compositors are responsible for a lot more than X11 window managers, you pick up a lot of the complexity of the X server
<emily> so there are fewer options
<samueldr> does it simply run the executable that's detectable by the WM?
<emily> not sure how exactly it works
<emily> it seems to behave differently to just running the executable to me though
<joepie91> colemickens: oh well xfwm4 randomly crashed when there were certain Unicode characters in the titlebar of a window
<joepie91> the exact set of characters seemed to vary by system, somehow...
<joepie91> this was a bug for years, not sure if it's finally fixed now
<joepie91> there's an issue on an issue tracker somewhere about it, rotting away
<colemickens> That sounds fun!
<samueldr> I sure hope that sequence was in the issue title, and in their html <title> for the issue tracker
<joepie91> lol
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<gchristensen> colemickens: beautiful!
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<eyJhb> samueldr: had a guy find bug XSS bug, that needed to be reported on their issue tracker. The issue tracker was vulnerable for XSS as well
<samueldr> yay!
<eyJhb> The joy
<eyJhb> Also, for some reason Gitlab doesn't want to pull containers inside a container anymore.... :(
<joepie91> eyJhb: reminds me of the SHA1 collision test breaking Chrome's git repo
<joepie91> :P
<eyJhb> joepie91 10/10 decision :p But makes sense
<joepie91> "oh crap, Git uses SHA1 too..."
* joepie91 strikes another item off his OSS todo list
<samueldr> I thought it was webkit's
<joepie91> at least I've gotten some stuff done today...
<joepie91> samueldr: I think it was Chrome? not sure though
<samueldr> or was it another boo boo that they committed to their repo?
<eyJhb> I have just renamed files joepie91 ....
<eyJhb> And made SOME stuff
<joepie91> random thought, I wonder if you could prevent corporate usage of a library by adding the EICAR test string into the repo...
<joepie91> given that a lot of corporate networks have AVs that scan all inbound traffic...
<eyJhb> EICAR test?
<samueldr> a fun bag of bytes
<joepie91> eyJhb: standardized test string that will make AVs detect it as malware
<samueldr> was about to share it
<samueldr> it would have been funny to see a couple irc peeps disconnect
<eyJhb> I remember some bug in Skype once... `http://`, crashed a lot
<eyJhb> Just setting your name to that, what fun!
<joepie91> samueldr: that used to work :P
<joepie91> force-disconnecting people with that string