gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<jtojnar> and the test cases expect English messages
<DigitalKiwi> dangit
<DigitalKiwi> amazon sent me the wrong item
<DigitalKiwi> and they said i don't need to return it, they'll send me the right one
<DigitalKiwi> but what am i supposed to do with 5 cabinet handles?
* DigitalKiwi ordered wire strippers
<DigitalKiwi> amusingly the handles cost 3 times as much as the strippers ;_;
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<DigitalKiwi> apparently it's all in shipping costs if they don't want it back
<jtojnar> huh, locale -a | grep -Ee '\.(UTF-8|utf8)' | grep -iEe '^(C|en_US)' | head -1
<jtojnar> 'ca_AD.utf8\n'
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<samueldr> your last regex seems to only want those starting with C or en_US, mayb \. is missing after the last paren?
<jtojnar> it should not have -i
<jtojnar> and apparently it was already fixed upstream: https://github.com/ostreedev/ostree/commit/5135a1e58ade2bfafc8c1fda359540eafd72531e
<gchristensen> anyone doing anything fun this Friday night? I am having a rousing time watching the ZFS test suite fail to run my test.
<joepie91> gchristensen: better hope it doesn't delete your data? :P
<gchristensen> that is, fail to even attempt to run my test
<jackdk> Friday is a distant memory at this point
<gchristensen> "Test: /usr/share/zfs/zfs-tests/tests/functional/cli_root/zfs_destroy/zfs_destroy_017_pos (run as root) [00:00] [FAIL]" what is, is.
<DigitalKiwi> gchristensen: YEAH!
<DigitalKiwi> friday is paint night!
<DigitalKiwi> Friday nights at mid-night, Subteranean brings you two solid hours of Acid, Dance, Trance and Progressive music
<gchristensen> woo!
<DigitalKiwi> Friday nights from 10 - 12, Scratch n Sniff takes some of the biggest songs from rock and hip-hop and blends them together to make an unbelievable mixshow.
<DigitalKiwi> that's in eastern nebraska timezone
<DigitalKiwi> hmm, those shows are syndicated though...i wonder if i can listen to it twice if i find one where it airs earlier??
<DigitalKiwi> does git do diff of binary files for uploads
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<ashkitten> im still in shock after learning how exports are declared in go 2 hours ago
<ashkitten> i knew PascalCase was a thing in go but i didnt realize that capitalizing a word is how you export it...
<gchristensen> haha yeah
<DigitalKiwi> i saw a tweet about that the other day
<aanderse> yawn
<aanderse> debian upgrades
<aanderse> sigh
<gchristensen> I think it is cool, actually, to require the name of the symbol change for it to change visibility
<ashkitten> maybe...
<ashkitten> i don't think so really
<ashkitten> it just means more refactoring work
<gchristensen> well yes
<gchristensen> it also means you can't "sneak" it by in code review, by mistake
<ashkitten> if by preventing such sneakage you mean by inflating the diff tens or hundreds of lines
<gchristensen> yeah, but that is pretty consistent with Go's "make it up with more code" philosophy in a lot of ways
<ashkitten> sigh
<samueldr> this is a nice overview of how those adding machines worked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYaWd_wuf8
<ashkitten> the more i learn about go the more i feel like it's a really weird language tailored to google's very specific needs
<ashkitten> like, the whole thing is fast compile times right? thats not something most people have to worry about but it's a problem for google
<ashkitten> in so many ways go is the polar opposite of rust lol
<ashkitten> DigitalKiwi: lol
<ashkitten> also what's the deal with go's type system? it doesn't look like a modern language at all
<gchristensen> ashkitten definitely very difficult, fundamental goals
<ashkitten> samueldr: oh nooooo
<ashkitten> also why does go hate delimiting characters lol
<samueldr> they're so limiting
<ashkitten> ah yes, `var i int` is so much more clear than `let i: isize;`
<ashkitten> gotta get me sum int
<ashkitten> they kept the shitty c style for loop lol
<drakonis> go is c done today
<drakonis> except nothing was learned
<ashkitten> no, go is c done badly today
<ashkitten> zig is c done today, with slightly more magic
<drakonis> wonderful.
<gchristensen> ashkitten: language hate is off-topic for #nixos-chat, there are people here who like Go and other languages you probably don't like -- and that is okay
<ashkitten> gf says in zig you can supposedly have a comptime value with pointers inside it. my brain cant even process how much magic that is
<ashkitten> gchristensen: sorry
<drakonis> but this is #nixos-chat
<drakonis> oh
<drakonis> hm
<gchristensen> off topic for the nixos channels overall
<ashkitten> it's not that i hate go specifically, fwiw. i just don't understand the decisions the language designers made and it seems like another instance of the sort of thing google does where they make something very specialized for themselves and then claim it's general purpose
<ashkitten> it's definitely not for me, but people are free to like it if they want
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<DigitalKiwi> WIP https://myfriendshate.me/files/haskell-nix-logo.svg.png what do you think of it?
<DigitalKiwi> hmm i have an idea
<DigitalKiwi> no that's worse
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<ashkitten> setting up znapzend on my server
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<DigitalKiwi> that's been on my todo list for a year ;_;
<ashkitten> it's sending for the first time, so far about 6 gigs out of.. 150 or so?
<ashkitten> after the first snapshots it should be better oc
<ashkitten> ofc
<ashkitten> yeah i figured i've reached the tipping point where the data on my server is just far too important to lose
<ashkitten> especially since i'm kinda thinking about doing email on the server
<ar> i/43
<elvishjerricco> I put off setting up znapzend forever and then enabling it took like a couple minutes. Felt really dumb for not doing it sooner :P
<elvishjerricco> Any of you ever set up dynamic dns for a home server with a route 53 domain? No idea how to set that up...
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<gchristensen> I have a steady stream of event data coming in (20-60 events per minute) and I'd like to keep track of the events and how long each of them were the "most recent event" ... anyone know of tools good for this?
<__monty__> Sounds streaming DB-y.
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> one thing to note is it is all local events, no networking or clustery needed, probably something closer to sqlite would be better than something close to mysql
<gchristensen> heck, sqlite might even be jus tfine
<__monty__> It might be yeah. I think the streaming databases are usually for when you want to operate on huge amounts of temporal data. Like in trading.
<__monty__> Crux for example is (or was) built on top of RocksDB for that reason.
<__monty__> And if your data is sorted it should be pretty efficient to calculate that time period you want.
<gchristensen> yeah, cool, thanks __monty__!
<__monty__> Don't take my words for granted though. My experience with DBs in practice approaches zero.
<gchristensen> swaymsg --monitor --type subscribe '["window"]' | jq '(now | tostring) + (.container.pid | tostring) + " " + (.container.app_id) + " " + (.container.name)'
<LnL> sqlite is great if you're not concerned about concurrency / transactions
<gchristensen> ^ that is my event stream :)
<LnL> and depending on how much data you need you can even just keep it all in memory
<LnL> do you actually need a stream?
<LnL> or just last updated_at
<gchristensen> well the events are coming in as a stream, no?
<gchristensen> for processing no, but I want to capture them all
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<worldofpeace> so infinisil, I need help with a super important release management activity. mostly need your opinion
<worldofpeace> on a scale of lame to kawaii
<infinisil> Hehe, starting good
<worldofpeace> how do you rate this image https://imgur.com/eYTCa4F ?
<infinisil> :ooo
<worldofpeace> ok with that out the way
<worldofpeace> it's not exactly a markhor
<worldofpeace> and I'm realizing it's kinda like a reindeer
<infinisil> Very kawaii, I approve
<worldofpeace> but my calendar has a deadline for "super kawaii image of a markhor" today
* infinisil looks up what a markhor is
<samueldr> someone's prepping the ZHF post :)
<worldofpeace> lol samueldr
<worldofpeace> I've been searching, deviantart is the only place for this
<samueldr> make sure you follow all rights and attributions stuff
<worldofpeace> let's just hope, any other experts of kawaii tingz are welcome to suggest an image ๐Ÿ˜ธ
<infinisil> Not as cute, but higher res :P
<worldofpeace> that was a screenshot, apparently there's a tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc68pm6i7wM
<infinisil> Ahh
<worldofpeace> but honestly the ribbon brings it to bambi territory, and it's just a deal breaker for me.
<worldofpeace> 20.09 I picked a less obscure name for better artwork opportunities for my predecessor
<worldofpeace> infinisil: yeah that's pretty nice actually
<worldofpeace> lol, I really have to put an address to buy this ๐Ÿคฃ
<infinisil> The one you suggested in full res is also pretty good though
<worldofpeace> infinisil: it's for sure on brand
<worldofpeace> like, if I can't find a vector I enjoy https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/bukharan-markhor-gm481197866-69210075
<worldofpeace> like just look, they're totally posing
<jtojnar> pixiv is full of markhor girls from something called ใ‘ใ‚‚ใฎใƒ•ใƒฌใƒณใ‚บ
<worldofpeace> hmm, Kemono Friends according to the search engine relevency
* jtojnar uploaded an image: fractal-pasted-image (3288KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wPrfFMERBzfaYNQdIRnwraWB >
<samueldr> that's what this reads out to AFAICT
<jtojnar> yup, and kemono is animal if I recall correctly
<samueldr> and searching for it returns kemono friends article on JP wikipedia (tip, use the left menu to go to english when you have a JP article that matches your search)
<samueldr> or uh, other language you can read
<worldofpeace> thanks Jan Tojnar
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<infinisil> Hehe yeah I searched pixiv too but I deemed it too anime for this case :P
<worldofpeace> infinisil: we're going rather anime actually ๐Ÿ˜œ
<infinisil> I won't complain! I just watched an anime movie today in the cinema (Tenki no ko) :D
<worldofpeace> infinisil: oh, Tenki no ko, it's pretty solid
<infinisil> Hehe, hair in horn shape
<infinisil> I am rather picky in the artstyle i like, I'd give that a 6
<jtojnar> agreed, this looks little flat to me
<worldofpeace> yeah, it's a bit too subtle. so I don't think it'll convey so well
<joepie91> worldofpeace: have you considered furry sites
<worldofpeace> joepie91: well I did say the previous image was too subtle for an anthropomorphic animal character
<worldofpeace> but Kemono Friends is basically a furry anime
<jtojnar> weirdly, Firefox UI does not render CJK characters for me
<worldofpeace> the goal here is not to have this goat come off as Baphomet ๐Ÿคฃ
<jtojnar> only the web content does
<jtojnar> and GNOME Shell does too
<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: are we looking at the right post
<worldofpeace> looks pretty blob like
<jtojnar> would not baphomet be more rhino-like?
<jtojnar> ah, confusing it with behemoth
<worldofpeace> yeah, baphomet is occult imagery
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<jtojnar> searching "ใƒžใƒผใ‚ณใƒผใƒซใกใ‚ƒใ‚“" in DDG gives me tons of very explicit manga
<worldofpeace> lol, I wonder how you make reports to DDG for that :D
<worldofpeace> aww
<worldofpeace> it's a nice illustration
<worldofpeace> but I think it's not iconographic style
<worldofpeace> this is the second image christmas styled, I wonder why that is
<infinisil> worldofpeace: No explicit images with safe search
<infinisil> :O
<jtojnar> IDK, could we put down some money and comission something?
<jtojnar> even if we find something we like, we likely won't be able to use for copyright reasons
<worldofpeace> it would be a good idea to get some better artwork in general for NixOS. we need mascots for these releases :D
<infinisil> Isn't there somebody drawing the logos every release?
<{^_^}> nixos-artwork#45 (by mogorman, 19 weeks ago, merged): 19.09 loris artwork
<worldofpeace> koi had some nice artwork IMHO
<__monty__> A slim theme while slim's been obliterated #whatisdeadmayneverdie
<samueldr> yeah, mog usually does the artwork in the weeks following the release, after it's been branched-off, hopefully mog can do the mog thing again :)
<worldofpeace> hmm, would they be open to recieving the artstyle we've communicated here ๐Ÿ˜‰
<samueldr> I don't know
<samueldr> I think mog has been working on keeping a familiar style across the releases, mainly
<ashkitten> can anyone offer advice migrating my docker containers from docker-compose to being managed by nix?
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<ashkitten> finally pushed all my local nixos-config changes to github, feels good just running a plain `nixos-rebuild switch`
<viric> clever: I'm learning more mistakes of the keyboards. damn it. I'm so uncertain of my typos now, whom to blame.
<samueldr> charles babbage?
<viric> ?
<clever> viric: for my keyboard (a sun usb keyboard), i always feel my finger hitting the edge of several keys at once when i make a typo, or its very obvious that i'm one column over
<clever> viric: and sometimes, its just a timing thing, my left hand hits keys before the right hand does
<clever> need to interleave the actions by both halves of the brain!
<viric> when it's me typing wrong, I think I know and I correct not looking at the screen
<samueldr> viric: you can blame charles babbage and the invention of the difference engine
<viric> samueldr: :)
<viric> clever: I described more situations in https://viric.name/typing.html
<clever> viric: i also find that after spending over a decade on irc, i no longer look at the keyboard, i look at the screen and see the typo instantly
<viric> I don't look much at what I type.
<viric> I rely on how I felt the keys. I used to consider that unreliable but NOW I've learnt it's the keyboard.
<clever> i do find that changing keyboards is often problematic
<viric> I test two keyboards per week these days :)
<viric> all unsuccesful
<viric> but I'm gathering a bunch of test to try in a shop.
* colemickens time to splurge on a desk chair
* colemickens takes out a loan
<cransom> i used to buy an office chair every few years at random office store because the padding or material would wear out. i've had this cramer triton chair for at least 10 years and it will probably out live me.
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<cransom> lots of cast iron, made for lab environments so spills/sweat/caustic chemicals, it does not care.
<viric> I sit very comfortable in a normal wood chair.
<colemickens> Cool! Thanks! I'm definitely looking for recommendations. No price limit, this chair will be used every single day for 3+ years.
<colemickens> (Hopefully somewhat sparingly, I am being good at standing at my desk so far.)
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<__monty__> viric: Fwiw, couldn't make an apple wire keyboard produce any of the errors you've described.
<DigitalKiwi> is it me who is bad typer? no, it is the keyboard that is wrong
<__monty__> viric: Estimated scan rate 43Hz.
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<viric> great about the apple thing
<viric> DigitalKiwi: exactly
<viric> scan rate of 43Hz would be terrible :)
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