gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<gchristensen> I wish the ssh-agent / gnupg agent popup told me what process wanted my creds
<pie_[bnc]> its gonna be fun if nixpkgs ever gets windows support
<pie_[bnc]> im not even being serious but
<pie_[bnc]> literally nothing would build
<pie_[bnc]> except not literally
<gchristensen> hmmm it does to some degree already
<pie_[bnc]> gchristensen: good idea, though something something could just fake a lot off stuff probably - might be nice to have regardless
<gchristensen> like I thin kyou can already cross-compile a good bit to windows
<DigitalKiwi> gchristensen: also, the one for firefox
<DigitalKiwi> blank window "please enter your master password"
<pie_[bnc]> m
<pie_[bnc]> *hm
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<samueldr> DigitalKiwi: with firefox sync kicking 5-10 minutes after you start firefox
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<samueldr> meaning you just get a random window asking for credzz
<samueldr> can't see how this can be abused
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<samueldr> learning it's fine to just input your password in a random modal
<pie_[bnc]> yee
<pie_[bnc]> i wish challenge response authentication was more of a thing, where you couldnt derive any sensitive informaton even if you wanted
<pie_[bnc]> of course you cant really do that with data at rest
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<ashkitten> is there a way to diff two closures?
<qyliss> there is a program called nix-diff
<ashkitten> qyliss: i'd like something that makes it easy to identify what paths are different in two unrelated closures (like gimp vs callPackage <nixpkgs/pkgs/applications/graphics/gimp/wrapper.nix> { plugins = [ gimpPlugins.gmic ]; }
<ashkitten> )
<ashkitten> and for instance get the difference in size
<ashkitten> nix-diff seems to be more for different versions of the same derivation
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<gchristensen> this server takes sooo long to boot I regularly think it is just broken
<samueldr> gotta love serverey stuff
<gchristensen> :|
<DigitalKiwi> maybe it is broken
<gchristensen> you make a trade. you get all of the ram/cpu/disk , and in exchange it can take 15 minutes to boot
<gchristensen> nah, DigitalKiwi, I've assumed it was broken 3-4 times, marked it for destruction, and just before the "this server has been deleted." message ....... the system boots :)
<DigitalKiwi> not completely broken but broken in some way that makes it take forever to boot
<gchristensen> nah ... it tries to boot like 20 different ways before it boots the only correct way
<gchristensen> and like 8 of those ways it tries to do DHCP and then waits for DHCP to time out
<samueldr> don't forget that it also might be testing the ram more thoroughly
<gchristensen> oh man and the RAID controllers that desperatel ywant to find any RAID array
<samueldr> right, all servery option roms taking all the time
<gchristensen> the time I kernel panicked the main file server which didn't have adequate backups it took 30 minutes for that machine to start
<gchristensen> I pretty much thought I was going to be fired and die
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<cransom> i knew a guy that pulled the wrong disk from an raidz2 array that already had 2 failures. he was not fired, despite the company losing email for several days and something like a week of unrecoverable messages.
<DigitalKiwi> bet he never did that again
<cransom> specifically, no. but he wasn't particularly great at other things he did later that i worked with him on either.
<cransom> back in the way when mozilla's bug tracking also included company IT and a pretty good chunk of it was public, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707587
<gchristensen> ow
<gchristensen> Has Zimbra loaded emails faster than 5 seconds before? I've never seen it work any faster than that, ever. That's part of the price of using a web interface.
<gchristensen> owww
<cransom> it caused such a black eye that the knee jerk was to buy another rack in a data center, call it 'hyper critical' and that was where email and some other things lived.
<colemickens> years of using this crap and I still get gpg prompting me in random ssh sessions. wew
<colemickens> and corrupting the input, and not being able to ctrl-c and even when you don't ctrl-c even few chars show up in plaintext and aren't actually handled by the pin handle
<colemickens> I just can't believe we're stuck with this crap
<colemickens> now git just hangs because there is a pin handler running... on a disconnected ssh session or something? really nifty
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<DigitalKiwi> killall gpg-agent or something
<DigitalKiwi> i think that's what i do when that happens ;_;
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* Church- has found a fun make bug
* Church- should open a bug report
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<eyJhb> Exam in 4 minues, wish me luck
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<DigitalKiwi> good luck
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<talyz> eyJhb: good luck :)
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<gchristensen> btw: "Tweag Fellowships:Funding for Open Source Contributors" https://www.tweag.io/posts/2020-02-14-os-fellowship.html
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<gchristensen> macOS's "password assistant" is generating the most hilarious passwords for me
<__monty__> That sounds like a pretty cool initiative.
<__monty__> Caps, digits, symbols?
<gchristensen> uh ... 2 out of three?
<__monty__> Not emojis is it?
<__monty__> o.o
<__monty__> Memorable?!
<Taneb> Only three characters to remember!
<__monty__> Taneb: But the password is too long!
<etu> gchristensen: 53" is quite long though
<gchristensen> LOL
<etu> gchristensen: I mean, if you print your password on a labelprinter and it's 53" long :D
<__monty__> I like diceware style passphrases. So much more memorable than classic random sequence passwords.
<gchristensen> yeah, but at 6 words they can be /long/
<__monty__> Yep, definitely wouldn't want to type them over and over. I recently started signing commits though and that hasn't annoyed me yet : )
<__monty__> Love them for sites I only visit once a month or so though.
<gchristensen> ah, for that I use `pass` and totally random passwords
<__monty__> Yeah... I hate synchronizing devices though.
<gchristensen> ah, I don't have any of those to sync
<DigitalKiwi> bitwarden :D
<DigitalKiwi> speaking of
* DigitalKiwi wonders if it needs updated
<DigitalKiwi> nope
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<__monty__> DigitalKiwi: Is otp still a premium bitwarden feature?
<DigitalKiwi> TOTP authenticator key storage & code gen. <-- 10/year
<DigitalKiwi> I don't use that
<DigitalKiwi> I use other 2FA apps
<DigitalKiwi> I did pay the $10 and think it's worth it there are a few other features that are nice and if it helps them stay around...
<DigitalKiwi> if you store your otp in your password vault if someone gets your password they get your otp...
<samueldr> no way to know what that means
<samueldr> there is no explanatory link
<gchristensen> Notifications Experience ™
<samueldr> ah, it's not even a permanent switch
<samueldr> exactly what I wanted, a clone of the e-mail inbox concept so I can never reach inbox zero and start being overwhelmed by notification backlog
<gchristensen> to be perfectly honest, I had forgotten github had a notifications thing
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<eyJhb> Thanks DigitalKiwi and talyz ! I spent waaay too long on a equation forgetting that it is allowed when isolating, not to do it until you have a expression for a single thing...
<eyJhb> Which was stupid :p
<DigitalKiwi> yummy
<gchristensen> last time I made them, I made way too many.
<__monty__> Not a fan, tbh. Sugared orange rind makes a much pairing with chocolate imho.
<gchristensen> mmmmm also very good
<jtojnar> how is the sheet so clean?
<jtojnar> for me, chocolate is usually everywhere
<gchristensen> it all landed on me
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