<MichaelRaskin>
There is a number of stats about stuff being blocked in Russia in a futile attempt to block Telegram
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<MichaelRaskin>
In particular, there is some statistics about the domain-blocks which basically have to be done as «resolve to a list of IPs and block them»
<MichaelRaskin>
(or at least heavily mangle…)
<clever>
that is a rather odd looking graph, doesnt look accidental
<MichaelRaskin>
Someone (actually by now it is almost known for sure who) has grabbed a few expired domain in a blocklist
<MichaelRaskin>
There are thousands of expired domains anyone can grab that allow to block basically anything
<MichaelRaskin>
Someone has grabbed a few expired domains and started to add and drop thousands (~8000) of IPs to the zones
<balsoft[m]>
фрфрфррф
<balsoft[m]>
ahahahah
<balsoft[m]>
lol
<MichaelRaskin>
The graph is Morse code spelling DIGITAL RESISTANCE 543210 V…
<balsoft[m]>
So are you saying anyone could buy a domain and block some IPs?
<MichaelRaskin>
It is known that the full text ends with VOISTINU POPOV, because the code for al that has been published
<balsoft[m]>
MichaelRaskin: So are you saying anyone could buy a domain and block some IPs?
<MichaelRaskin>
7 May is not only the day of term rollover for Putin after something remotely similar to elections, but also Radio day — the anniversary of Alexander S. Popov's report on wireless electromagnetic communication
<MichaelRaskin>
(Obviously, in Russia Popov is recognised as the inventor of radio; Marconi's manipulation with documents and patents doesn't help, but doesn't even matter for that)
<MichaelRaskin>
Yes, anyone can grab a few domains and block almost any IPs
<balsoft[m]>
Soooo.... Can one just block rkn.gov.ru?
<MichaelRaskin>
It is unclear if RosCommNadzor has learned not to allow to block its own IP addresses used for transmitting the block list — there were multiple precedents
<balsoft[m]>
just some ip's of this domain?
<MichaelRaskin>
There were multiple attempts to make sure they do not block their own updates
<balsoft[m]>
This is some scary stuff
<MichaelRaskin>
Maybe the last one actually did work
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<balsoft[m]>
I'm still here
<balsoft[m]>
Why does it say I left?
<MichaelRaskin>
Basically, the only reason nobody in Russia has just blocked everything via the expired domains is that nobody believes that even foreign domain sellers will be able to not disclose the customer identity…
<MichaelRaskin>
No idea. I also have some problems with Matrix federation…
<MichaelRaskin>
(especially across the Russian border… although doesn't seem related)
<balsoft[m]>
I mean... What would happen if someone just did that? That isn't technically illegal
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, if one does it inside Russia, or later comes to Russia, we all know how flexible Russian notion of technical legality is. Or maybe just irrelevant
<balsoft[m]>
Why are we talking in english?
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<MichaelRaskin>
Because clever has said he also wants to know the crazy Morse code story, and I think clever is a Canadian
<balsoft[m]>
K, fine
<MichaelRaskin>
clever: or have I accidentally mis-nationalitied you?
<jtojnar>
MichaelRaskin: so is it okay to remove xneur 0.8?
<MichaelRaskin>
Yes, sure.
<balsoft[m]>
The update finally finished, I'm happy
<MichaelRaskin>
balsoft: I think manipulations with the blocking have been used for commercial fights already
<balsoft[m]>
I mean.... What can I say... I've probably been sleeping for the past year or so
<balsoft[m]>
because of Tor and my lazyness
<MichaelRaskin>
What about four?
<balsoft[m]>
what?
<MichaelRaskin>
I mean, the Github got blocked before I got a postdoc position in EU…
<MichaelRaskin>
I remember routing around it while still working in Moscow
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<balsoft[m]>
whaaat
<balsoft[m]>
I don't remember that
<MichaelRaskin>
GitHub, specifically GitHub — not via area damage — has been blocked for a few days in Russia
<balsoft[m]>
I though tey were 'lawful' and blocked all of the unwanted stuff
<balsoft[m]>
when?
<balsoft[m]>
I've been using it almost every day for my 'work'
<balsoft[m]>
I mean, hobby
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, someone has posted some stupid quasiislamist propaganda as a txt in an new repo. Github didn't react fast enough to avoid being blocked.
<balsoft[m]>
Oh, it probably was routed through tor
<balsoft[m]>
MichaelRaskin: it works now, right?
<MichaelRaskin>
December 2014,
<balsoft[m]>
I'm too lazy to start a non-tor browser :)
<MichaelRaskin>
I think it should be working now, yes
<balsoft[m]>
oh, maybe
<balsoft[m]>
I wasn't using it actively then
<MichaelRaskin>
Frankly, given what Github considers hateful speech, what Russia demanded to remove was eventually removed just because it was inside Github's ban list
<MichaelRaskin>
And the ban probably did draw enough attention to remove it a few days faster
<MichaelRaskin>
Just not fast enough to completely avoid the ban
<balsoft[m]>
MichaelRaskin: I believe there were some repos that were removed specifically after RKN request
<MichaelRaskin>
I think Github recognised the one that triggered the block as deleted by RKN request, too
<MichaelRaskin>
I don't think it has ever been a situation with a hard decision to make, though
<balsoft[m]>
MichaelRaskin: You seem to be quite informed about the situation with blocks and bans. Do you think whitelists are ahead?
<MichaelRaskin>
Deleting text-only repository where the text is not even similar to a technical specification? I wouldn't expect Github to hesitate.
<balsoft[m]>
No, I mean in general
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, I keep track of the overt stuff, but it's not like I understand well the covert stuff
<balsoft[m]>
Will RKN switch to using whitelists?
<MichaelRaskin>
I think global whitelists are just too risky
<balsoft[m]>
Well, China managed them :)
<balsoft[m]>
Although Tor bridges are still a thing
<MichaelRaskin>
China doesn't really run on whitelists
<zybell>
No china goes to blacklist
<MichaelRaskin>
And China's IT exports are material goods
<balsoft[m]>
MichaelRaskin: And what are Russian IT exports? Nothing? Kasperskiy AV?
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, on the large side — Kaspersky, 1C games, Yandex, ABBYY… And really a lot of small stuff
<MichaelRaskin>
Like JetBrains, you know
<balsoft[m]>
I mean, reallistically most of the population would manage without connection to internet
<balsoft[m]>
some kind of National Network would suffice
<balsoft[m]>
MichaelRaskin: JetBrains are russian?
<balsoft[m]>
cool
<balsoft[m]>
Didn't know that
<MichaelRaskin>
Oh you missed the shitstorm
<MichaelRaskin>
They released their language, Kotlin
<balsoft[m]>
Yes, I remember that, although I am not a specialist in Java/Scala/Kotlin/Whatever
<MichaelRaskin>
Some people said that Kotlin is the island where Kronstadt stands, so the language is named after a military base
<MichaelRaskin>
Some people answered that Kotlin itself is just an island, and only a part thereof is occupied by Konstadt, and what the hell, people
<balsoft[m]>
I thought they were Czech
<balsoft[m]>
Wikipedia suggests that too
<MichaelRaskin>
Of course they do export via Czech formal headquarters
<MichaelRaskin>
I mean, Yandex does all the export business (and share trading) as Yandex NV, Netherlands
<MichaelRaskin>
Yandex OOO is just a wholly owned subsidiary that happens to do almost all the work
<balsoft[m]>
It's monday now.... Have to go to sleep or I won't wake up at 6 AM
<MichaelRaskin>
Good night
<balsoft[m]>
Good night, thanks for the help and a talk!
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