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<andi-> samueldr: jobs is haunting me. They saw that I am not a believer and ensured that my system would crash. Ill go back to my 6y old lenovo.
<samueldr> not sure jobs actually would be proud of current days apple
<samueldr> I would flip a coin
<samueldr> maybe jobs would like the extreme control they exert
<samueldr> but likely would hate the... the way everything is just not well buttoned-up, all polished
<andi-> I wonder what all those developers at apple are doing... On twitter you see the occasional waves of hiring everyone that can spell C L O U D sideways
<lovesegfault> Right, I definitely think Apple has been increasing it's control but not "paying back" with the high quality & consistency it used to be famous for
<lovesegfault> like, the last few macbook gens were a bit disastrous in the grand scheme of things
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<bbigras> gchristensen: are you going to give up on vault? or are you considering HA?
<gchristensen> HA
<lovesegfault> HA?
<bbigras> hight availability
<bbigras> if I can spell
<bbigras> apparently not.
<bbigras> "server response: Service Unavailable" fuckkk. I need to update the tailscale package before the others.. even if I didn't even eat yet and it's getting late.
<samueldr> it's not a race :)
<bbigras> It is. I need to keep my streak 😆
<andi-> Try to do it sustainable.
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<lovesegfault> oh my
<lovesegfault> This would make it possible to build an M-ITX EPYC system!
<lovesegfault> with like >=128GB of RAM
<lovesegfault> and a GPU
<samueldr> lovesegfault: used in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7U0-CCmgfQ
<lovesegfault> oh nice
<lovesegfault> that board is coconuts
<lovesegfault> you could have 64 cores in a mini-itx system(!!!!)
<infinisil> > unicorn
<{^_^}> "🦄"
<infinisil> Github ^
<infinisil> Also Github: "All Systems Operational" https://www.githubstatus.com/
<lovesegfault> I feel like all status pages are good for is being fancy ways of saying SNAFU
<lovesegfault> (SNAFU = Situation Normal, All Fucked Up)
<lovesegfault> like the system can be imploding and status pages are like "Yup, all is well!"
<abathur> the only status page I've regularly found useless is aws
<infinisil> Seems to be back
<drakonis> aiiight time to do a rails thing lol
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<colemickens> msh = "machinectl shell .host /run/current-system/sw/bin/zsh";
<colemickens> wat
<colemickens> til
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<energizer> i just copied a disk image for backup. should i change the partition uuids?
<energizer> i'm thinking i might sometime accidentally have both versions in a computer at once and it would cause a problem
<samueldr> partuuid for GPT? the spec says yes
<samueldr> filesystem UUIDs?
<samueldr> maybe
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<energizer> ok thanks
<eyJhb> infinisil: https://github.com/Infinisil/on-demand-minecraft :D Does it work well? :p
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<energizer> i put a heatsink on my m.2 pcie drive by the adhesive sticker but later i opened the box and the heatsink had fallen off the drive
<energizer> it's too heavy to reliably stick to the drive
<energizer> maybe i should use a rubber band or something. google doesnt turn up anything about this issue
<philipp[m]1> Does your drive get so hot that it needs a heatsink? Maybe it just needs a little bit of airflow?
<energizer> cccccclkjkljujbffrciidjtfubeedtggklerurbcljk
<energizer> oops
<energizer> it gets really hot to the touch
<energizer> i guess i'll look at the sensors occasionally and see if it's ok. or maybe my computer will crash one day
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<philipp[m]1> I just never touched my drive, so I don't have to worry about it.
<philipp[m]1> I think it's buried so deep that I can't even touch it without getting my finger in fans.
<energizer> googling tells me that m.2 pcie drives do benefit from heatsinks
<elvishjerricco> energizer: I've heard mixed things about that. Like I've heard that you actually *want* them to get a little warm, just not too hot.
<energizer> these people are obviously shilling but they do have a graph... https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=781
<elvishjerricco> I think what I heard was that a cell that's too cool has a higher chance of failing to write data.
<elvishjerricco> Dunno what "too cool" is
<elvishjerricco> but the implication was that "too cool" is comparable to room temperature
<energizer> if only i were too cool to write data
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<samueldr> interesting, but my previous experience with scaleway has been... not ideal
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<samueldr> at €0.10/hour it's ~75€ to run it for a month long, but I guess that's not the expected use case
<samueldr> ah!
<samueldr> >> Apple silicon as a Services comes with a minimum allocation period of 24 hours.
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<infinisil> eyJhb: Yes it does!
<infinisil> Though no documentation, I'm really only just using it for myself, but if you want to I could help you set it up
<eyJhb> How much do I need to do to set it up? Would be fun to do! I build it, but it required me to setup some config file stuff
<eyJhb> Tried to read it myself, and I found out I cannot read Haskell infinisil :p
<infinisil> eyJhb: Yeah, I've actually got a Nixus module for it: https://github.com/Infinisil/system/blob/master/config/multimods/on-demand-minecraft/default.nix
<eyJhb> I am just messing with you, but is this what NixOS dependency hell looks like? :D :p
<eyJhb> But thanks! Will look at it later, it could be cool to setup. Also, when you try to detect traffic, then remember to log the time for when the droplet was started, and then only close it right before the hour is up :D
<infinisil> Hehe, I just haven't had the time to really make a *single thing* out of it
<infinisil> If I did that, setting this up would be trivial
<infinisil> eyJhb: Hmm not sure what you mean regarding detecting traffic
<eyJhb> ` Snoop the relayed connection to figure out how many people are online and delete the server again if nobody is online for 5 minutes. Can also be used to log to IRC` the last todo here
<infinisil> Ahh
<infinisil> Ahh yeah, ideally that would be done in the haskell part, didn't get to that yet though
<infinisil> So what I linked is the current out-of-haskell implementation of that
<infinisil> Ah and you mean the "close it right before the hour is up" to not have to pay for another hour of it :)
<eyJhb> Yes ^, or to not waste resources in general. Use what you pay for, no reason to close it after 1 hour and 5 minutes :p
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<infinisil> eyJhb: Well the idea with the 5 minutes is that you can take short breaks without having to restart it
<infinisil> If you quickly leave at the 0:59 mark, you don't want it to be shut down right away
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<eyJhb> No no, then you have 5 min grace period, and then you hit 01:04, and if you leave at between 01:00 to 01:54, then it will only shut it down at e.g. 01:59 I guess
<eyJhb> *timings can be improved* :D
<infinisil> Ah
<infinisil> eyJhb: But like, there's no cost if it shuts down intermittently
<eyJhb> Between 01:10 and 01:40 you will not pay if you shut it down, and then create a new?
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<infinisil> I wouldn't expect so
<infinisil> Hmm
<infinisil> Yeah like if they bill by just summing up the time it ran, then rounding to the nearest hour
<infinisil> But I don't really want to optimize for this tbh
<eyJhb> As far as I know, they bill pr. hour you start :p But I could be wrong!
<infinisil> We might get an SN9 launch today! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfHqbahPKpY
<philipp[m]1> Thoughts and VROOOOOOMers!
<infinisil> Very nice view in the stream right now
<eyJhb> If it is a non-maned non-critical mission I hope for a little boooom
<infinisil> They had a boom last time, I'm hoping for vroom!
<eyJhb> WHAT?!?!?!?
<eyJhb> :(
<infinisil> eyJhb: You didn't watch SN8?
<eyJhb> No :( How big of a boom?
<eyJhb> Searching for the boom now
<eyJhb> BOOM!
<infinisil> :D
<philipp[m]1> Oh, they got a permit this time? Cool!
<infinisil> yup!
<siraben> (referring to the impure use of <nixpkgs>)
<tilpner> siraben: Would you prefer a pinned nixpkgs from 4 years ago, so that texlive definitely shares no parts with the texlive you already have? >.> (yes, but only if it doesn't work)
<siraben> tilpner: valid point, texlive is probably quite stable
<tilpner> Exactly, and it only gets worse the more tex projects you have, but it would be nice to have the choice of a known-good revision here
<siraben> you could always override if it's a flake, no?
<tilpner> (Though by specifying less than scheme-full, a pinned shell gets much more acceptable)
<tilpner> I have not touched flakes yet
<siraben> tilpner: I got into them recently, it's very good
<siraben> the CLI docs are helpful and reading examples as well help
<siraben> helps
<tilpner> My hesitance to invest the necessary time only grew after the RFC was withdrawn, leaving an experimental feature with no expectation of stability :/
<tilpner> (I like the ideas, and usually try fancy toys, but it would be a lot (days-weeks) of work to port my setup)
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<siraben> when was the RFC withdrawn?
<siraben> ah
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<colemickens> flakes work with the old CLI
* colemickens saves his breath
<tilpner> That's interesting and I didn't know that, but I wasn't even concerned about the CLI until now
<infinisil> siraben: Flakes aren't inherently more overridable than non-flakes btw
<colemickens> Idk, lots of people use flakes every day without realizing it if they use nixpkgs-wayland.
<colemickens> infinisil: is that true? I've wanted to say that myself, but the 'follows' feature seems uniquely more override-able.
<infinisil> Flakes just provide a built-in way to override sources, but people don't have to use that way
<infinisil> Even with non-flakes people could provide such source override features for their Nix code
<colemickens> Okay, sure, they could all use --pure-eval too
<colemickens> But they don't.
<infinisil> Yeah, the fact that flakes _does_ provide a built-in source mechanism means people will actually use it and there's some uniformity
<infinisil> But that's nothing *inherently* possible with flakes
<infinisil> And flakes doesn't enforce it
<infinisil> (in contrast with --pure-eval, which it does enforce)
* colemickens nods
<colemickens> I think clarifying this stuff would help demystify things a bit, maybe? In a good way? /me crosses fingers
<infinisil> Everyday astronaut is live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4-PwxnJimg
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<philipp[m]1> NASA Spaceflight says t-2h before anything happens for sure.
<gchristensen> nice
<eyJhb> I hate people and their stupid bass music on speakers. Especially young people that just moved out. No, I do not want to hear your shitty music, yes I hate you when you play it during lectures just because you have no, yes please go somewhere else or be a decent human being
<bbigras> noisy neighbours are the worst. you never know how long it will last and you often can't just leave.
<tilpner> I always start worrying about my drives when my neighbours start the music again, but I don't know what tolerance for vibrations common HDDs actually have
<tilpner> Yeah, that's about all the education I have on it c.c
<tilpner> That, and people freaking out after someone posted an image of a NAS on top of speakers
<eyJhb> tilpner: how much does your apartmen vibrate?
<eyJhb> My neighbour just asked if I am OK with him watching the superbowl with his friends (5 guys) this sunday. Keep in mind, that ends at like 4-5 in the night between sunday and monday... And there are lectures from 08.15
<tilpner> eyJhb: I can sit on my chair with me feet lifted up, and the vibration is still annoying. I don't know how to quantify the strength, but it means headphones don't actually shield against their music
<eyJhb> Like, nice to ask, but why not just stfu, and then not do it if you doubt you can actually stfu...
<eyJhb> tilpner: basically the same here , you can feel it everywhere...
<eyJhb> > bbigras | noisy neighbours are the worst. you never know how long it will last and you often can't just leave.
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected $undefined, expecting ')', at (string):471:9
<eyJhb> We are moving in 1 month! <3
<eyJhb> Good thing, no more bass/speaker enthusiast + crazy girl that screams at her boyfriend for 6+ hours. Bad thing, we will get a neighbour whos son has seperation issues to a degree that the current resident of the place we get have noticed it.
<tilpner> eyJhb: There isn't really a good answer to that. Even if you could sleep somewhere else that night, it shouldn't be necessary :(
<tilpner> "Sure, if you let me keep the remote for when you get too loud" <.<
<eyJhb> We have the possibility to sleep somewhere else, my GF still has her old apartment until we move. But I really do not feel like that should be needed.. :/
<eyJhb> I have to pay 1 month of overlapping rent. So I should maybe borrow my friends mobile disco speakers, and then just play MLP with bass boost for a month at him after we move.. It is a petty move however :|
<sphalerite> eyJhb: also meeting up with 5 people in these times :o
<eyJhb> Our limit is actually 5 people I think
<eyJhb> But then THAT is your circle of trust, so no family meetups or anything for them I guess
<bbigras> I didn't even see my parents at Christmas...
<eyJhb> bbigras: Sorry to hear that :( which country?
<bbigras> eyJhb: Canada
<bbigras> only people living alone were allowed to have visit from 1 person I think.
<bbigras> I think a lot of people ignored that and now we have a curfew at 20:00.
<bbigras> also probably caused by the dumbass Christmas travellers
<eyJhb> Some dumbasses from my group at uni decided to have a christmas party, 50% got COVID-19 :D
<bbigras> wow. it reminds me of the "Cat's birthday party leads to COVID-19 outbreak" headline
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<philipp[m]1> ,launch Nasa Spaceflight estimates SN9 launch in 60-90 Minutes. Pad is cleared. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfHqbahPKpY
<{^_^}> Nasa Spaceflight estimates SN9 launch in 60-90 Minutes. Pad is cleared. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfHqbahPKpY: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred]
<gchristensen> nice
<srk> packed two launches into one window? :)
<infinisil> Nah
<infinisil> SN10 is just on the pad already
<srk> yeah, reading that it waits for cryo proof tests and new engines
<infinisil> Well, I guess they could do two tests at once, but I doubt it
<srk> it would make sense if windows are scarce
<srk> launching one is probably difficult enough currently anyway :)
<infinisil> Hmm yeah, and it's annoying to always evacuate people
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<siraben> texlive.combined.scheme-full is so big >.<
<infinisil> siraben: I've just been selecting the packages I need from it instead
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<siraben> maybe I should go scheme-small
<siraben> Oh, TIL `pkgs.lib.sourceByRegex` is a thing
<siraben> I was using nix-inclusive https://github.com/input-output-hk/nix-inclusive previously
<infinisil> That looks better than sourceByRegex
<infinisil> But there's a PR that adds something like nix-inclusive to nixpkgs
<infinisil> #56985
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/56985 (by nh2, 1 year ago, open): sources: Add explicitSource
<siraben> That looks useful
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<pie_> i hate john the rippers frontend so much
<averell> hashcat is much cooler, true
<pie_> yeah but its complaining about opencl aand idek
<pie_> i got the stuff from an old android device and i hope its just an easy pin
<pie_> i just cant figure out how it wants its inputs and all is says is
<pie_> "lol error"
<pie_> Well, its cracking...
<pie_> well crap numeric pins didnt work or im doing something wrong.
<pie_> averell: im using jtr but the examples for this are given as hashcat, could you by any chance maybe give it a shot for me?
<pie_> it seems like the input only accepts numbers so it _has_ to be numeric
<LinuxHackerman> Is esphome the best choice for integrating ESP-based devices with home assistant?
<averell> i can, yes
<pie_> averell: ok ill pm the details, it shouldnt be anything sensitive but who knows
<pie_> good question why the guy went for the sha and not the md5 when writing the scripts though
<pie_> averell: <3
<eyJhb> Did averell crack it?
<pie_> so turns out the password was 1111. which i swear i tried, but maybe not
<pie_> i dont know why i couldnt get john to crack it
<pie_> going to try to get it working now because it bothers me
<pie_> ok im stumped, maybe not :P
<eyJhb> Live hacking with pie_ ! :D
<pie_> :D
<pie_> this actually describes it quite well https://forensics.spreitzenbarth.de/
<eyJhb> It is going as well as my exam reading, or I think you are more productive.
<pie_> meanwhile i found https://nelenkov.blogspot.com/2015/06/password-storage-in-android-m.html which has some other details
<pie_> welll...me any my exams...but re: there were good tutorials
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<pie_> so luckily this is rooted, the next problem is that the touchscreen and glass are kinda broken, and it keeps pushing stuff, so i need to figure out how to turn it off
<pie_> it has a usb port :3 and keyboard and mouse work
<pie_> hm i wonder if it could run nix on droid :P
<pie_> its like android 2 th
<pie_> *tho
<pie_> 2012 build
<eyJhb> What phone is it?
<pie_> its a viewsonic gtablet
<pie_> my dad got it for me when i was like...16? even though i kept telling him a laptop would be a lot more useful :p
<pie_> its running some crippled busybox, i cant list the kernel modules
<philipp[m]1> We have tank farm activity.
<infinisil> Ayy
<eyJhb> Wait what?!???
<pie_> or theres just no dynamic kernel modules
<pie_> lsmod runs but shows nothing
<pie_> samueldr: any idea what i could do with this thing
<eyJhb> Build a museum!
<pie_> i dont have an indiana jones hat sadly
<philipp[m]1> My hardened gentoo on a laptop running friend (don't kinkshame!) also disabled dynamic kernel loading and just builds it completely statically.
<V> Oh, I know someone who runs (ran?) Gentoo like that
<ar> speaking of custom kernels
<ar> anyone knows why nixos doesn't have NO_HZ_FULL enabled by-default?
<ar> without extra kernel options (kernelParams = [ "nohz_full=1-15" "rcu_nocbs=1-15" ];) it should behave as it does right now
<energizer> there were some tools for getting the output of common unix commands into structured format. ring a bell for anybody?
<averell> how structured? like mount | column -t ?
<energizer> like i want blkid as json
<averell> no idea then. maybe it was lsblk --json
<energizer> ah i think it was https://github.com/sustrik/uxy but looks abandoned now
<energizer> eyJhb: oh nice
<energizer> eyJhb++
<{^_^}> eyJhb's karma got increased to 8
<eyJhb> Omg! I almost got my wings now :o
<eyJhb> np energizer :D Sounds cool
<eyJhb> ,locate bin jc
<{^_^}> Found in packages: python37Packages.jc, python38Packages.jc
<eyJhb> Uhh, and would you look at that, Nix is here for all your needs :D
<averell> cool
<samueldr> pie_: Cortex-A9, would be annoying to get NixOS on
<samueldr> 512MiB of RAM might be too tight
<samueldr> and since it's android 2.2, the kernel may be way too old
<samueldr> though maybe mainline supports it?
<pie_> something something nvidia tegra 2
<pie_> i hate to trash something that basically works but its possibly kinda useless due to drivers
<pie_> i mean, maybe i could give it to someone to play with or something but the software stack is bleh
<samueldr> I know the feeling
<pie_> and giving it to a techie is also kinda pointless because what are _they_ gonna do with it
<pie_> its so wasteful i hate it
<averell> install remote desktop in kiosk-mode and fake it ;)
<eyJhb> Well, ensure it goes to a good recycle place? :D
<pie_> xD
<eyJhb> Like the worst part here, is that we do not trust them to recycle it in a good way
<eyJhb> That is the main reason I hate throwing stuff out. Usually it is just wastefull...
<eyJhb> *also I am cheap*
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<ar> not sure if warrants a ,launch, but SN9 launch should happen ~15-20minutes from now
<samueldr> ar: and no watch url?
<eyJhb> WHERE IS THE URL?! :(
<samueldr> ah, saw one earlier
<gchristensen> ,launch engine chill started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfHqbahPKpY
<{^_^}> engine chill started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfHqbahPKpY: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred]
<philipp[m]1> \o/
<infinisil> \o/
<pie_> ok unplugging the digitizer was pretty easy
<pie_> i have firfoy 27 on it :D
<infinisil> ,launch imminent!
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<pie_> averell: i *coukd* use it as a rather bad external screen
<gchristensen> wow
<ar> liftoff
<samueldr> good commentary
<gchristensen> is that side spew on purpose?
<samueldr> it has to set itself horizontal
<gchristensen> ah
<samueldr> it's going to ICBM itself
<samueldr> this time hopefully not actually annihilating what's at the target
<samueldr> hm, maybe no horizontal this time?
<samueldr> ah no, here it is, the thing that looks like it just started falling
<ar> flop
<gchristensen> it looks so fake
<ar> yeah
<samueldr> gchristensen: did you see the previous flight?
<gchristensen> no
<samueldr> because here's the fun part
<samueldr> oh no
<gchristensen> whoops! (yay)
<samueldr> last time it looked way better, totally vertical, was starting to go slower
<samueldr> but never stopped going down even when it hit the ground
<philipp[m]1> Vroom and Bloom!
<philipp[m]1> *Booom!
<Taneb> I was watching that in a group video chat and someone in the call got a trumpet out and did a wa-wa-wa-waaaa of dissapointment
<ar> samueldr: this time 2nd raptor didn't ignite at all
<gchristensen> and the piece that went flying
<samueldr> yeah, I'm listening too :)
<gchristensen> pretty cool
<samueldr> gchristensen: look the SN8 flight, from the flop to the end
<samueldr> a couple minutes
<samueldr> it almost looked like it did it
<drakonis> womp womp
<samueldr> hopefully for SN10 they stick the landing
<lukegb> the explosion was fantastic
<samueldr> elon successfully launched missiles hitting his worse enemy: gravity
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<ldlework> Anyone got thinkorswim working?
<eyJhb> I am setting new records for not seeing it go VROOOOOM
<eyJhb> I can have YouTube open etc. but I won't notice it.
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<samueldr> wow! found a random blog of an individual who did some things at an unspecified date in the past
<samueldr> so many times it's useless because all projects involved have diverged so much
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<colemickens> I'm cracking up at that
<colemickens> "diwhy"
<samueldr> the board looks to be in a rough shape already, I think that's scavenging
<samueldr> and not too bad with no special fabrication except for the 3D printed shell
<samueldr> the battery thing scares me though
<samueldr> if I understand it right, it's three BL-31 in parallel
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<samueldr> sure, that's not as nice as a full nix derivation with locked dependencies
<samueldr> but that's a good chunk of the way there for the specific thing I was looking at