<samueldr>
so private submissions for ,kick sounds not good
<gchristensen>
what's up samueldr
<samueldr>
read adisbladis' PM <3
<samueldr>
(I guess)
<cole-h>
Fair. I just don't want to deal with an aggressor getting even more whacko because people are starting to ,kick them...
<samueldr>
sphalerite: u-boot driver for rockchip display crashing your compiler?
<samueldr>
that sounds... ungood
<sphalerite>
yeah
<infinisil>
cole-h: I'd also half expect for them to calm down, seeing that more votes would kick them for good
<sphalerite>
that'll teach me to cheat by using an ubuntu container
<samueldr>
infinisil: I think that'll go either way
<samueldr>
BUT, the way it goes is probably more truthful to their behaviour
<infinisil>
Oh yeah
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<samueldr>
though, imo, I would rather see a bit more delegation around the clock than a bot feature that is way more involved
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<samueldr>
and it's probably best to keep all bot features unprivileged
<gchristensen>
+1
<infinisil>
Of course the problem with having more admins is that a single one can decide to kick/ban somebody, which doesn't sound very good to me
<samueldr>
sphalerite: is it reproducibly segfaulty? in that case does a previous gcc stdenv help?
<samueldr>
infinisil: a single op that abuses their power is one that gets their power removed
<gchristensen>
^
<samueldr>
that, and trust in the people selected is probably the way to go
<qyliss>
With a troll like that you want to deal with them ASAP too
<gchristensen>
^, ^^
<sphalerite>
samueldr: it consistently segfaults, but this is an ubuntu container x)
<cole-h>
I vote gchristensen for admin!
<sphalerite>
have yet to nixify it
<gchristensen>
long-term community members who have a good feel and handle on the existing cultures and norms
<cole-h>
Wait a second...
<infinisil>
I think it would be hard to decide between subjective opinion about the person and abuse
<samueldr>
sphalerite: ooh, not nixos, you naughty naughty
<gchristensen>
it is hard, infinisil
<gchristensen>
it is very hard
<samueldr>
(tbf, I checked and it seems true that they're involved with mercode, and mercode has nixos ties... it seems like there is *something* that got them over the edge and it's not simply a troll)
<gchristensen>
luckily most of the bans come from several people in IRC PM'ing me and saying "uh, can you ban ..."
<infinisil>
gchristensen: That sounds pretty much like a voting system
<MichaelRaskin>
gchristensen: next you need to make sure that they have a feel of the same community norms anyway
<infinisil>
With votes you automatically get a bigger sample of annoyance
<infinisil>
Instead of just one
<infinisil>
(of course I might be biased because I'd implement that feature, but still)
<qyliss>
I think it was pretty clear in that conversation that everybody was annoyed
<{^_^}>
mercode-org/meros-nix#60 (by Yutyo, 23 hours ago, open): The Problematic of Public Branding
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<sphalerite>
samueldr: fixing that part just now :p
<sphalerite>
when I should really be sleeping…
<infinisil>
I heard that sleep helps with tiredness
<samueldr>
sleep is for the others :)
<adisbladis>
infinisil: What's your source?
<MichaelRaskin>
infinisil: Was there a randomised controlled trial for that, though?
<adisbladis>
Sounds sketchy, I always wake up tired
<gchristensen>
I'll sleep on your behalf. I have taken two (2) naps
<gchristensen>
today
<infinisil>
adisbladis: Lol
<samueldr>
adisbladis: maybe you need to go back to sleep
<adisbladis>
I wish I could take naps :/
<infinisil>
We should definitely conduct more research on this sleep thing
<gchristensen>
(I didn't sleep enough 3 days this week, and it caught up to me today)
<infinisil>
I think we have our first test subject!
<sphalerite>
sleep is for the week.
<sphalerite>
And it's the weekend.
<MichaelRaskin>
Or maybe it's for the weak, and now you are weakened?
<joepie91>
... lol
<gchristensen>
adisbladis: would you be up to talking to a friend of mine about podman + nixos-in-podman?
<adisbladis>
gchristensen: Sure
<cole-h>
It's days like these I wish I had a beefy server to build on... 40 minutes of kernel building (not that bad tbh, but could be better)
<adisbladis>
cole-h: It could always be worse
* adisbladis
is building pypy
<cole-h>
Ouch
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<hoverbear>
gchristensen =D
<adisbladis>
Mandelbrot though
<gchristensen>
hey hey hoverbear
<cole-h>
o/
<MichaelRaskin>
adisbladis: next round — PyPy vs. Chromium?
<hoverbear>
Hi hi =D
<adisbladis>
MichaelRaskin: Oh no, you win.
<gchristensen>
hoverbear: https://github.com/NixOS/nixops/pull/1326 so this PR has some fairly simple Python code to create a docker image with nixos inside it, and then run it with podman
<{^_^}>
nixops#1326 (by adisbladis, 3 weeks ago, open): tests: Add functional tests using NixOS in Podman (Docker)
<hoverbear>
Forgive me -- I am a nix acolyte at best, still learning my way around :)
<adisbladis>
No need to excuse yourself :)
<hoverbear>
My blog shows it a bit better? the `daemonize unshare --fork` stuff
<adisbladis>
I think there is some good stuff in there we might want to incorporate
<hoverbear>
The `nixos/nix` container is great but I'd love to pack a full server in a container
<adisbladis>
That bit is already working nicely in my NixOps PR
<qyliss>
hoverbear: have you encountered ociTools?
<qyliss>
It gives you a function to generate a container image from a Nix derivation
<hoverbear>
So I can get a shell and start booping my keys into it? Run `nixos-rebuild switch`?
<adisbladis>
hoverbear: Me or qyliss ?
<hoverbear>
I hadn't yet :o
<adisbladis>
hoverbear: What you see in the NixOps PR you can do `nixops deploy` to
<hoverbear>
adisbladis: If there is anything where I can cook my colleagues a container that can run in docker that can manage its own services, I'd love it =D
<adisbladis>
I don't have a good story around actually persisting though
<adisbladis>
And, the caveats around using Docker from gchristensen still applies
<hoverbear>
I have this situation where like 75% of my team is fine trying Nix, the rest want to keep using Docker and Podman like they already do
<drakonis1>
this is the "train our AI" captcha question
<hoverbear>
I love answering those slightly wrong
<adisbladis>
hoverbear: Alrighty
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<adisbladis>
If it helps I could extract the Nix bits from that PR and make a minimal example
<colemickens>
gchristensen: in ten years there's going to be a wreck involving an rv or bus.
<hoverbear>
So I work on vector.dev, and our test suite is basically "Start a bunch of services and start running them, run some tests, stop them, run new services and more tests" on repeat all day
<colemickens>
the future computer in charge will determine you poisoned the dataset.
<adisbladis>
And I noticed some things that should be upstreamed in Nixpkgs but I havent gotten around to yet
<hoverbear>
My solution atm is pass in the docker socket and let the nix container start other containers
<hoverbear>
But that's ... eugh
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<bqv>
adisbladis: btw xonsh is becoming natural
<bqv>
i've started activtely using python in my shell activities
<bqv>
i love it
<bqv>
the only thing that really bothers me is the lack of a{x,y}b from bash
<adisbladis>
Stop tempting me with shiny things
<bqv>
:D
<cole-h>
I was tempted until you said it lacked `a{x,y}b`
<cole-h>
I use that too much
<colemickens>
hm, something to naively convert my shell to pythong as a starting point would be neat
<cole-h>
Pythong? Kinky.
<bqv>
cole-h: i do too, but it's worth the shift
<adisbladis>
I'm afraid of how leaky xonsh might be
<bqv>
you can emulate it with python
<adisbladis>
hoverbear: So what would you like to get to instead?
<hoverbear>
Well the `nixos/nix` image can't really manage services that way, but if we had `nixos-rebuild switch` or something I think that'd be better?.. Not entirely sure. I hate docker.
<hoverbear>
But you know, user empathy
<adisbladis>
Haha :D
<adisbladis>
That's my main driving force for working on Podman in NixOS
<hoverbear>
But like, it'd be super sweet if I could have a `nix-shell` that started something like `nginx` or something
<adisbladis>
It's not that I love podman, I hate docker enough to actively work on an alternative
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<bqv>
adisbladis: i can get behind that
<hoverbear>
I'd be happier with a WASI runtime tbh....
<hoverbear>
`nix-shell` is satisfying until you hit the glass ceiling Q_Q
<MichaelRaskin>
nixos-container?
<drakonis1>
ah a glass ceiling...
<drakonis1>
nixos-container only works within nixpkgs
<hoverbear>
MichaelRaskin That'd be great if everyone had `nix` installed :)
<qyliss>
hoverbear: I think I would run a small supervisor like s6-svscan inside an ociTools container
<qyliss>
You'd have to write all the service configuration yourself, though. That could be easy or not, depending on the services.
<hoverbear>
Ooooo yeah this looks super duper cool... So I can give this a nixos configuration.nix?
<qyliss>
No
<hoverbear>
Yeah systemd services aren't bad
<qyliss>
NixOS can't really run in a container
<hoverbear>
Yeah get that
<hoverbear>
systemd is a crutch etc
<qyliss>
It just takes a Nix derivation
<hoverbear>
Ok :)
<qyliss>
So you'd write a derivation that runs a supervisor
<qyliss>
Which could probably be systemd!
<hoverbear>
Yeah!
<qyliss>
But could also be something lighter since all it needs to do is start some services.
<hoverbear>
That's what I'vbe been playing with tbh
<hoverbear>
But it's hard to get systemd to pass off a shell
<hoverbear>
So you gotta ssh in
<qyliss>
But this is definitely the mechanism for you, I think
<hoverbear>
Yeah, I think so
<qyliss>
You get a container image, that can be used with whatever container runtime (I assume)
<hoverbear>
Since I'm orcestrating it with `make` I can jsut call shell
<qyliss>
I don't actually know how well you can use straight OCI containers with Docker
<pie_>
this is just part of the spider conspiracy <infinisil> "The widespread urban legend that one swallows a high number of spiders during sleep in one's life has no basis in reality"
<infinisil>
qyliss: Nice
<infinisil>
It's just so easy to get absorbed into wikipedia
<emily>
infinisil: I assumed that everyone learned this already from the spiders georg meme
<emily>
which is wholly factual in all regards and can therefore be regarded as an absolute source of ground truth
<cole-h>
I just remembered something I forgot to backup before I reinstalled NixOS -- my todo list :(
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<ldlework>
doh
<samueldr>
wow, look at all that free time!
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<cole-h>
samueldr: lol :D I still have my old copy from ~Sunday. But the past few days I think I added quite a few borg things to my list :(
<samueldr>
the purge didn't go deeply enough
<cole-h>
I'll have to re-read the borg channel logs for the past week to see if I can remember some of what I had
<samueldr>
handily, someone records the logs publicly!
<cole-h>
:P That's what I was talking about
<cole-h>
Thanks for that btw <3 samueldr
<{^_^}>
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<cole-h>
btw ldlework you can add the contents of that file I sent earlier to your `hardware.pulseaudio.extraConfig` and it'll get added to `/etc/pulse/default.pa` instead of needing to put it at `~/.pulse/default.pa`
<ldlework>
cole-h: nice
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<eyJhb>
ornxka: hoped someone would read it that way :p
<eyJhb>
Congrats sphalerite !! :D
<eyJhb>
Damn it, forget IPMI login to my router
<eyJhb>
Got it!
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<talyz>
eyJhb: hey! I guess we need to sync our irc times ;)
<talyz>
eyJhb: what's the problem?
<talyz>
eyJhb: and which module are you using? The NixOS or home-manager one?
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<Taneb>
Modifying the CMake derivation so I can emulate gameboy advance games is a productive use of my time, right?
<__monty__>
Yes.
<talyz>
Sounds reasonable.
<Taneb>
(if this works I'm going to be making a PR to nixpkgs staging)
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<viric>
meh. I always hang soffice by picking a select-copy a range of cells, and trying to paste (the range) into a formula.
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<Taneb>
Darn, I thought you were going to solve all my CMake woes :P
<eyJhb>
You wouldn't want me to touch that! :p
<eyJhb>
But that is a nice project :p
<eyJhb>
talyz, and co.: didn't realize it was a home-manager module thingy :p works now
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<eyJhb>
Forget to remove some debug from the 17th of Febuary `echo "ran" >> /home/eyjhb/.i3-scripts/test-ran`, I have run the script (to show/hide calculator+floating terminal) 10.000 times since then
<gchristensen>
haha
<eyJhb>
Should maybe remove that :p
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: do you have a solution for /etc/machine-id? Mine seems to be empty, even when persistent
<gchristensen>
do you need it to be persistent?
<clever>
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 33 Oct 11 2015 /etc/machine-id
<clever>
ive got little clue what created it to begin with
<eyJhb>
Used for some systemd stuff
<gchristensen>
yeah but any you care about?
<gchristensen>
for me, I didn't care so I don't persist it
<eyJhb>
As far as I know, from etu, things such as boot logs will be weird (is what I gathered
<eyJhb>
)
<gchristensen>
ah
<eyJhb>
But it also keeps overwriting my links to static
<eyJhb>
Hmm. yes, but the only trouble is it is empty :p Let me make it non persistent, maybe it will give me an id on the next boot then
<talyz>
eyJhb: you can have it "persistent", but not point at an existing file
<talyz>
the file the symlinks point to will then be created
<talyz>
so just remove the empty file at /persistent/etc/machine-id (if that's where it is) and reboot :)
<cole-h>
ZFS peeps: is it a bad idea to create my pool with atime=off, xattr=sa, acltype=posixacl globally (e.g. with -O)? That's what I'm doing now, but idk if I should set those only for the things that /really/ it...
<eyJhb>
Also got this `May 23 18:11:52 eos2 systemd-fstab-generator[4171]: Checking was requested for "/persistent/var/log", but it is not a device.`
<eyJhb>
Wil try!
<talyz>
eyJhb: yeah, that's probably because it's a bind mount
<sphalerite>
I hitnk I may have spent hte past 4 hours chasing down a single missing 0.
<talyz>
maybe there's an option to turn off checking..
<eyJhb>
Got a machine-id now
<talyz>
eyJhb: \o/
<eyJhb>
You have /var/log yourself, don't you get that error as well?
<eyJhb>
Have to wait and press ignore at boot
<talyz>
eyJhb: oh, no, nothing that serious
<talyz>
I think I saw something similar in my log, but it doesn't delay boot or anything
<talyz>
May 21 13:27:24 flora systemd-fstab-generator[630]: Checking was requested for "/persistent/var/log", but it is not a device.
<talyz>
so yeah
<cole-h>
sphalerite: Oof. How so?
<qyliss>
cole-h: that's what I do
<qyliss>
although I also set relatime=on
<gchristensen>
nothing like having someone desperately trying to rub your face in a "learn to google it next time" answer, and being able to turn it back around on them just a little bit
<eyJhb>
Weird talyz, but then we are in the same boat, mine is just more annyoing :p
<cole-h>
qyliss: Thanks for the sanity check. What does relatime do?
<talyz>
eyJhb: I think the solution is fileSystems.<name?>.noCheck = true, so I'll add that
<qyliss>
relatime sets the atime to be the same as mtime, AIUI
<eyJhb>
Guessing name would be /var/log?
<sphalerite>
samueldr: YAY I got the coreboot+u-boot image building with nix!
<qyliss>
So you still don't cause writes every time you read a file, but you get some sort of information from atime, even if it's not really accurate
<eyJhb>
Dunno if #nix is more appropiate now talyz :p
<cole-h>
gchristensen: Hehe. It sure feels good to be able to turn someone's snark towards them...
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<cole-h>
qyliss: Oh, alright. I don't see a need for it, so I'll stay without it for now :P
<gchristensen>
it only somewhat aleviates the sting of assumed incompetence
<talyz>
eyJhb: heh, yeah, maybe? :)
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<__monty__>
How does everyone always know context for all these things that don't happen on irc?
<sphalerite>
cole-h: missed the last 0 in the entrypoint address for the u-boot image in my coreboot+u-boot firmware
<cole-h>
sphalerite: Ouch, that'll do it haha
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<cole-h>
__monty__: What do you mean "do[es]n't happen on irc"? Are you telling me there's life outside of IRC?
<__monty__>
cole-h: Well, clearly neither of us has one. But I'm trying to think *outside* the IRC box.
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<cole-h>
:D
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<ashkitten>
gchristensen: "i told you so" is the worst phrase tbh
<gchristensen>
pretty bad
<ornxka>
but then what are you supposed to say if you really did tell them so
<cole-h>
"Glad you got it figured out in the end"
<ashkitten>
^
<cole-h>
Unless you *want* to be passive-aggressive (probably more aggressive tbh) -- in which case, go for the "I told you so"
<ashkitten>
"told you so" is a phrase purely to make you feel better than another person
<ashkitten>
if you're trying to be supportive you want to boost them up not shove them down
<cole-h>
Am I paranoid if, when `zfs create`ing, I do `-o canmount=off` for my supersets, e.g. tank/system, which has root and var?
<cole-h>
(Also, what does `zfs create` create -- a zvol?)
<gchristensen>
it creates a dataset
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<cole-h>
"A zvol is block storage, while datasets are file-based." Oh, OK.
<ashkitten>
zvols are cool
<ashkitten>
don't put swap on them
<cole-h>
gchristensen: I swear, I'll read that series on ZFS you linked a while back some time...
<gchristensen>
do so :)
<gchristensen>
you need it
<cole-h>
As you can tell 😆
<ashkitten>
swap on zvol can result in deadlocks or worse if you try to suspend to it
<ashkitten>
if you suspend to swap on zvol expect a corrupted pool, tbh
<cole-h>
Is there a way to disable suspending to swap, so that never happens? :^)
<cole-h>
Also gchristensen: what does `elevator=none` do, and why is it necessary for when you have a separate /boot?
<ashkitten>
cole-h: just don't put swap on a zvol
<ashkitten>
don't do it
<ashkitten>
btrfs barely has support for that
<ashkitten>
zfs definitely doesn't
<cole-h>
If I have a separate swap partition, am I safe from that?
<ashkitten>
at best you will get double caching, at worst you'll get deadlocks and corruption
<ashkitten>
yes
<ashkitten>
you can do whatever if your swap is not on zfs
<cole-h>
Darn, so that doesn't explain why, when I power up my machine after it being suspended to RAM for ~8 hours, it never actually resumes x)
<ashkitten>
suspend to ram is different
<cole-h>
Yeah, I was grasping for straws
<ashkitten>
suspend to swap is called hibernation i guess
<cole-h>
I had this problem on Arch, too, at one point. Then it mysteriously disappeared. Now it's reappeared. :(
* gchristensen
goes for lunch while nix-collect-garbage runs
<gchristensen>
lol, I pruned 2,500 generations
<cole-h>
Dayum
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<gchristensen>
I hate GC'ing. it is such a big time suck
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<cole-h>
Just do it every few minutes :')
<gchristensen>
I used to :')
<__monty__>
Have it scheduled?
<gchristensen>
let's apply go's gc model to Nix and get sub-milisecond gc pauses
<cole-h>
lol
<__monty__>
I refuse to believe you're *that* productive.
<__monty__>
; p
<gchristensen>
the real goal being: let me build while running gc
<MichaelRaskin>
At least after it has finished enumerating the roots and paths
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: rewrite Nix as go!
<gchristensen>
lol
<gchristensen>
finding garbage collector roots...
<gchristensen>
^ this step took 30 minutes because it seems to have had needed to delete the trash directory first, while holding the gc lock
<ldlework>
adisbladis: will you be setting up styx repo today?
<gchristensen>
nice. after tweaking how nixos' initrd logic works, I was able to make a new netboot image in just 2min, and an incremental change then rebuild took only 20s
<ldlework>
neat
<cole-h>
gchristensen: :o
<MichaelRaskin>
Nice
<gchristensen>
before the tweak, it'd take about 5min every time
<ldlework>
gchristensen: if we are moving styx into nix-community, does it make sense to have a #nixos-styx
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<ashkitten>
honestly i don't believe that go's gc is significantly better than say, java's
<ashkitten>
i'd believe that it runs more often with smaller sweeps
<gchristensen>
let's apply java's GC to the nix store, then
<gchristensen>
a shame this initrd improvement can't hit nixpkgs.
<cole-h>
Why's that?
<MichaelRaskin>
I do not believe that Java's GC is a singular thing
<gchristensen>
it uses recursive nix
<ashkitten>
garbage collector hristensen
<gchristensen>
lol ashkitten
<cole-h>
ashkitten++
<{^_^}>
ashkitten's karma got increased to 12, it's a crit!
<cole-h>
Hahahahaha
* ashkitten
rakes in the fake internet points
<ashkitten>
internet points are fun
<ashkitten>
as long as they're only for fun
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<cole-h>
These ones aren't only for fun though.
<cole-h>
,loot
<{^_^}>
[2018-05-26 20:24:58] <gchristensen> 25 points gets you a sticker, 100 points gets you a t-shirt, 1000 verified points gets you a free trip to nixcon *restrictions apply, must be verifiable points, given by grateful people, in channels I'm in
<cole-h>
;^)
<etu>
haha
<__monty__>
Would this be a signed sticker/shirt? 🤔
<samueldr>
only with the finest gpg
<cole-h>
lol
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<emily>
18:34 <cole-h> Also gchristensen: what does elevator=none do, and why is it necessary for when you have a separate /boot?
<emily>
note that
<emily>
May 23 16:57:10 renko kernel: Kernel parameter elevator= does not have any effect anymore.
<emily>
Please use sysfs to set IO scheduler for individual devices.
<emily>
I have a TODO to fix this in my system config
<emily>
basically ZFS does its own IO scheduling so you want to turn the kernel's off
<emily>
but elevator=none no longer works
<emily>
it would be good if this could be done upstream since I think it might be fiddly to get the sysfs stuff working
<cole-h>
Then, how do I do it with sysfs? :P
<andi->
TIL: nxos.org
<drakonis>
oh yeah
<drakonis>
that's a thing
<drakonis>
it came to exist a few years ago
<drakonis>
it is certainly funny they're complaining about microsoft using the name maui when they hold nxos.org
<infinisil>
Not sure how these have anything to do with eachother?
<drakonis>
they were complaining about name clashes
<__monty__>
Well was the domain registered before nixos.org? Cause then they'd have more reason to complain, not less.
<samueldr>
I don't think nxos is related to that maui thing at all
<drakonis>
it is
<drakonis>
hmm
<drakonis>
maui linux is a distro
<drakonis>
and mauikit is a toolkit
<drakonis>
it is brought up on the issue by probonopd
<samueldr>
oh, looks like it could be because they mentioned "we" as who opened the issue about maui on that nxos repo
<drakonis>
both of them
<samueldr>
oh, or not, two distinct issues
<samueldr>
not related, but coincidentally involved I think
<drakonis>
hmm actually
<drakonis>
he's involved in mauikit
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<ashkitten>
lol verifiable points
<ashkitten>
gchristensen: what sticker?
<ashkitten>
i don't think i've ever gotten karma for helping people, because people who need help don't usually know about karma
<infinisil>
Yeah I'm not sure if loot for these imaginary internet points is a good idea, it makes them have a worth, which they really shouldn't
<gchristensen>
,loot =
<{^_^}>
Undefined loot, was defined as: [2018-05-26 20:24:58] <gchristensen> 25 points gets you a sticker, 100 points gets you a t-shirt, 1000 verified points gets you a free trip to nixcon *restrictions apply, must be verifiable points, given by grateful people, in channels I'm in
<adisbladis>
I think ,loot is a joke?
<ashkitten>
yeah i didnt think it was real
<infinisil>
I think graham was serious about it, but I won't blame him for not doing it after all :)
<ashkitten>
i'm just curious what stickers graham has
<gchristensen>
next time I order stickers, I'll be ordering extra to hand out :)
<adisbladis>
I want that tshirt
<adisbladis>
I need to farm more karma
<gchristensen>
I am officially a fan of recursive nix
<ashkitten>
10k ultra-mega-verified points gets you dinner with graham
<gchristensen>
on the contrary I really want to have a free nixcon bbq in my back yard :P
<ashkitten>
that'd be cool
<__monty__>
European contingent represent!
<__monty__>
; p
<ldlework>
Anyone interested in following / contributing to Styx can join us in #nixos-styx
* adisbladis
would come to gchristensen's backyard Nix bbq, no matter how far
<samueldr>
to the moon!
<ashkitten>
i haven't been to nixcon or any conference because money and also i don't really have anything to contribute by coming
<joepie91>
more nix stickers is better
<joepie91>
maybe next congress there will finally not be a stickerpocalypse :P
<gchristensen>
ldlework++
<{^_^}>
ldlework's karma got increased to 14
<ashkitten>
what's styx?
<ldlework>
ashkitten: it's a nix-based static site generator
<infinisil>
ashkitten: You have your company to contribute for Nixcon!
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<ashkitten>
lol well that's sweet but i still don't have the money to go
<samueldr>
trip to europe, for those from outside the "old continent", is quite expensive
<adisbladis>
ashkitten: Which aspect is too expensive?
<__monty__>
I'm not sure a trip to america would be cheaper if averaged over all the atendees though?
<__monty__>
Anyway, since the pandemic maybe next one will be virtual?
<samueldr>
it's already confirmed to be
<ashkitten>
i mean, if it's a virtual conference then i have even less to contribute
<samueldr>
hard to tell for sure, but there is a european bias in the community, so assuming it costs the same to go over the big ol' pond it likely would cost more
<samueldr>
ashkitten: maybe no talk, but surely you'll come watch the talks and discuss with other people
<__monty__>
Is nixcon big enough to survive a split?
<samueldr>
don't know, but there is definitely to lose in creating two separate experiences
<samueldr>
and that still leaves autralian and asian folks hanging
<samueldr>
oceanian*
<samueldr>
let's not forget about the oft-forgotten new zealand
<ashkitten>
samueldr: don't count on it, watching streams online is not easy with my adhd
<samueldr>
oh well :/
<adisbladis>
I'd love to have a Nixcon north america
<samueldr>
it'd probably be worth it not to split the main event, but just like there was a small one (was it oslo?) make it a minicon or something?
<samueldr>
an additional event
<adisbladis>
samueldr: The Oslo event was hardly official
<samueldr>
yeah
<samueldr>
I was thinking, if the thought is to split the main event
<ldlework>
I really wish there was a way to send people on Github a message.
<ldlework>
I mean wth
<__monty__>
Well, there should be an email if there's at least one commit.
<ldlework>
__monty__: good thinking
<__monty__>
Yeah, don't abuse it of course.
<ldlework>
__monty__: I am attempting to reach out to the creator of Styx
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<ldlework>
Has anyone created a nix template tool yet?
<ldlework>
By which I mean, like a "dotnet new"-like tool
<ldlework>
Where it fetches project templates from git and will parameterize some stuff
<ldlework>
I think in Python it's called cookiecutter?
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<infinisil>
Whaaaaaaat
<infinisil>
There's some weird noise in our kitchen
<infinisil>
But it only happens when you.. *stomp on the ground*
<infinisil>
...???
<infinisil>
Like even just a little will trigger it