gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<colemickens> have you tried searching "jbod enclosure" ?
<jasongrossman> Right - I had to buy one last year. I don't have a particular recommendation, but there are plenty of such things on eBay.
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<eyJhb> joepie91: Had a epiphany when I went to bed, which also meant I couldn't sleep.... - But basically, weights on price, area, rooms, facilities and then scoring each apartment on how good a match it is from green to red
<eyJhb> So basically, no it should be X, Y, and Z, but rather this is X important, this is Z important, etc.
<jasongrossman> eyJhb: What's the purpose of the service? Can my wife use it to find somewhere to rent in Odense?
<jasongrossman> (Sorry you couldn't sleep.)
<eyJhb> jasongrossman: nope, only Aalborg sorry. It is basically a extension of AKU-Aalborg, which everyone in Aalborg agrees on, is properly the worst site to ever come into exsistence
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<jasongrossman> eyJhb: Damn!
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<eyJhb> Sorry! And it only functions for AKU-Aalborg (student apartments), so every other site in Aalborg isn't included :p
<eyJhb> Also, the joys of meeting up at work only for a meeting, and the person you have a meeting with is sick and did not inform you
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<eyJhb> Anybody up for a little discussion? How would you go about finding idle, unused, not needed, might not have a purpose anymore sites, servers, VMs, domains, subdomains, credentials to backends, etc. in a big organisation? Where most is undocumented? - Just had this discussion yesterday with someone, and finding a solution to such problems seems quite hard -
<Taneb> eyJhb: kill them at random and find out who complains? :P
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<eyJhb> Taneb: that is like, basically what I proposed too :p But like, the counter argument is, someone might not like that
<eyJhb> Like the only basic universal idea would be, find the critical services (which should already be known), email everyone in the company specifiying to call out if they have anything, and then just massively shut down everything else in waves
<joepie91> that just sounds like "kill them at random and find out who complains" with more steps :P
<joepie91> you'll definitely still get angry people with that procedure, who somehow believe that you should've magically guessed which servers were theirs and they have no obligation to reply to your call-out etc.
<joepie91> I would recommend not caring too much about angry people :D
<manveru> traffic analysis, see which ones receive traffic from where and who's responsible for the traffic :)
<joepie91> I think that it *would* be useful to send out an advance notice/request first, but just because it reduces the amount of people bothering the IT desk, not so much because it results in less angry people
<manveru> if you don't have that in place yet... it's probably a good idea to setup anyway
<eyJhb> Yeah, basically there is NO way to not get angry people when doing anything in IT, and especially not when killing servers :p But yeah, traffic analysis and last use of credentials is properly useful
<eyJhb> ANybody have experience doing such a operation?
<Taneb> Only on a much much smaller scale
<sphalerite> eyJhb: I accidentally turned off the staging server for a website at work once?
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<eyJhb> Taneb: how small?
<eyJhb> sphalerite: it somewhat counts! How many got mad?
<sphalerit> eyJhb: nobody actually I think
<eyJhb> Well then you just listen here! Don't.
<eyJhb> :D
<Taneb> eyJhb: about 8 people
<eyJhb> Ahh, I am talking scales/companies of 50.000 and above....
<eyJhb> :(
<manveru> heh
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<manveru> you have anything like OpenNMS?
<eyJhb> I would not assume so no
<eyJhb> But properly something else
<eyJhb> Are you thinking monitoring?
<eyJhb> Problem is with external things that access inwards
<manveru> at least to get an inventory
<eyJhb> It was also just a general idea, I think I will have a hard time pulling this through where I work
<manveru> yeah, don't have a good idea for that :|
<eyJhb> But fun thing, they are discussion the plan for critical systems at the office right next to me. I was just looking at it :p
<eyJhb> So now I am just eavesdropping
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<eyJhb> Btw. joepie91 did you see this? https://gitlab.com/eyJhb/aku-aalborg-map/issues/5
<joepie91> eyJhb: hm, not sure I understand how weights replace limits
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<eyJhb> Minimum pricing for a apartment, 1000 DKK, maximum pricing for a house 10000, lowest is better. So if a apartment is 1000 DKK a month, then it scores a 10, if it is 10000 a month, then is scores a 1. Combine this with how much it is weighted for a user, e.g. 7, then take 7 * 10, e.g. and you have a score on how "good" it matches the criterias
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<joepie91> eyJhb: hmmm. I'm not sure that matches up with eg. the practice of setting a particular minimum because you want to eliminate impossibly cheap broom closets (not sure if this metaphor translates well :P)
<eyJhb> It should end up with something useable, e.g. price 7, area 5, pets 3, kitchen 5, everything else 1
<eyJhb> But I was thinking of it more as nice-to-have, and a extra feature. E.g. a tab between the two filter types :D
<joepie91> right
<eyJhb> But this might be one of those, not going to happen things
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<joepie91> eyJhb: you know how this goes, right - in 3 years, you'll be running the dominant student rental site in Denmark
<joepie91> :P
<Taneb> Can anyone recommend some sort of software for managing computer logins over a small-ish office (~15 computers)?
<Taneb> So I can say in one place that everyone in the office has accounts everywhere
<__monty__> Taneb: Sounds like kerberos.
<Taneb> __monty__: yeah, that looks about what I'm after
<eyJhb> joepie91: any good ideas on making the buttons more visible?
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<pie_> global internet outage...?
<joepie91> pie_: do not read thread if you are allergic to people going "THE PROTOCOL IS FINE, HUMANS JUST NEED TO NOT FUCK UP"
<andi-> it would help A LOT if providers would establish prefix filters to peers where it is feasible..
<andi-> I did that at my old employer with lots and lots of back pressure since it isn't exactly cheap on crappy hardware but protects your customers from leaks like these (to some degree at least)
<joepie91> lol
<joepie91> "ATI produces titanium and titanium alloys, nickel-based alloys and superalloys, grain-oriented electrical steel, stainless and specialty steels, zirconium, hafnium, and niobium, tungsten materials, forgings and castings.[1] "
<joepie91> a metal alloy producer just shut down half the internet
<joepie91> gotta love BGP...
<pie_> people on about dns and ddos and shit
<pie_> just hack some bgp
<andi-> "hack", buy some transit on any of the big providers and tell them you can't have import filters on their sides because your customers come and go on hourly basis.. Tada no more worries about being unable to annouce some crap.
<pie_> "They aren't the original leaker.
<pie_> Sorry, I may have been wrong. Hard to see clearly in the fog of BGP. "
<pie_> joepie91, ^^
<joepie91> ah :P
<pie_> wait except apparently it is?
<pie_> googling ASN 396531 from the next post says it is...
<pie_> lol " I realized that it would be an issue like this when downforeveryoneorjustme.com didn't load either. "
<pie_> also lol " As an aside, there is something to be said about the size of Cloudflare when global network problems are reported as being Cloudflare issues. "
<pie_> anyway move along folks, nothing wrong here
<manveru> hmm, looks like discord is broken too
<joepie91> pie_: yeah, I didn't expect to ever have to come to cloudflare's defense, but here we are
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<{^_^}> Found in packages: bind.dnsutils
<gchristensen> I realized the mbuffer path to fix znapzend and it immediately used all my bandwidth annd the airport kicked me off wifi :')
<gchristensen> oops
<Taneb> /o\
<gchristensen> (repost from yesterday)
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<infinisil> Hah
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<samueldr> I didn't think it'd take *that* long to reboot
<samueldr> a bit more than a whole minute!
<samueldr> (if it didn't rejoin one of the channels, I might not notice for them all)
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<elvishjerricco> colemickens: I thought jbod meant it'd present all the disks as one concatenated disk
<gchristensen> nah
<gchristensen> almost nobody would want that :)
<elvishjerricco> Oh good. There are concatenating raid boxes out their. I think the point is that the drives don't have to be even close to the same size
<elvishjerricco> s/their/there/
<gchristensen> YOLO storage
<samueldr> YOSO
<andi-> write once, read never
<samueldr> /dev/null
<gchristensen> oh, worn?
<andi-> a dev null device 🤔
<samueldr> I wonder if the different storage specs would actually allow a physical /dev/null to work
<andi-> tape devices?
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<eyJhb> I am the only one, that is not a fan of the way this site works? https://plaintextoffenders.com/
<eyJhb> Tumblr posts and stuff
<gchristensen> what about it?
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<colemickens> I wouldn't really have known it was tumblr if it weren;t pointed out to me
* gchristensen did, but holds a certain expertise
<eyJhb> colemickens: as soon as you need the search function, or need to add a website you will :\
<eyJhb> gchristensen: e.g. you have no clue, if they might have fixed it, and the only way to know, is by commenting
<eyJhb> Have been playing with the thought, of implementing my own on Gitlab. But I don't really know, if it would be cruel to require a Gitlab account. Better than Tumblr I would assume (but that is just me)
<eyJhb> gchristensen: how does the graham bot function e.g. for new comments on issues, and knowing when a new comment has come in? Is it just constantly pulling?
<gchristensen> on github?
<gchristensen> it receives a copy of everything which occurs on the NixOS org an GitHub
<gchristensen> no pulling/polling, but instead filtering
<eyJhb> "it receives a copy of everything", webhooks??
<gchristensen> right
<eyJhb> Hmm... Seems like the right solution, if one has a server available/want to use a server
<gchristensen> are you wanting to do something similar?
<eyJhb> Considering using Gitlab Issues with Prefix `Offender:`, and then having something in the format of a HTTP header to describe the offender.. And then running a gitlab ci every X hours/days for updating tickets, validating, etc.
<eyJhb> So webhooks can't really be used, would need to safe the last time the CI was run, etc.
<gchristensen> yeah you'll probably need state for that
<gchristensen> oh maybe not
<eyJhb> Enlighten me :D
<gchristensen> https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/api/events.html lets you spelunk through the event log, so maybe you could have your system look for some event which indicates it doesn't need re-running
<gchristensen> https://www.jefftk.com/p/adventures-in-upstreaming "let's use git like it was supposed to" no thank you
<eyJhb> But unless I want to loop the whole log, then I still need to know at which time, I did something last
<eyJhb> I will properly have a file that I update each time a new event happen. So I could use that as a base date, and then continue onward from that each time, until something new happens
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> probably best to keep a little sqlite db or something around
<eyJhb> My idea is to generate a yaml, json, csv file, and then build a static website from that
<eyJhb> Kinda like the AKU thing, where i have a CI which generates the data.js each time something is updated
<eyJhb> gchristensen: git send-email does not look like much fun
<ashkitten> gchristensen: why is it always drew devault in these stories lol
<gchristensen> :)
<joepie91> gchristensen: that does sound very distinctly drew...
<gchristensen> Shados: you had a fastmail thing right?
<gchristensen> my google apps account is about to be shut down (credit card changed, haven't updated it) and I should probably move :P
<samueldr> have you taken a google takeout yet?
<gchristensen> what is that?
<samueldr> export your everything from google
<samueldr> maybe more than you thought
<gchristensen> oh dear
<gchristensen> feels risky
<samueldr> how?
<samueldr> I would rest more easily knowing I took out a copy of everything rather than finding out I'm missing something later on
<gchristensen> good grief this is a lot of services
<samueldr> if you do, you might want to untick drive and gmail, and do those separately
<gchristensen> oh no I'm going All In
<samueldr> it's more about the shape of the data you'll download
<gchristensen> amorphous, I'm assuming
<samueldr> not really, but you'll have a couple tgz or zip archives that will be "incomplete" until all loaded
<gchristensen> yeah, sorry I'm kidding
<samueldr> and there is likely a big imbalance
<gchristensen> it sounds like a good idea but I'd already started the process
<samueldr> drive and mail are likely eating 95+% of your data
<samueldr> right
<joepie91> gchristensen: keep in mind that fastmail only offers email and calendaring
<joepie91> no other gapps features
<gchristensen> I don't *think* I use other gapps features
<gchristensen> for example I can't use hangouts because for some reason they're disabled for my gapps account
<gchristensen> nor drive / the office suite stuff
<samueldr> hm, the gsuite admin has to enable stuff, which is not really obvious and changed places enough times to throw an infrequent user way off
<samueldr> IIRC there were some bad defaults, like defaulting to not enable new services whenever they add one
<samueldr> which could be a good default, depending on the business' use
<gchristensen> yeah my gsuite admin (me) can't enable it
<gchristensen> I've spent several years trying to make it happen
<samueldr> right, :/
* joepie91 goes in search of more liquids
<samueldr> gallium, mercury?
<joepie91> lol
<joepie91> no, more things like water
<samueldr> ah, here it comes from the tap :)
<joepie91> it does here too... for now
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<pie_> joepie91, why is editing tables in word processors so hrad
<pie_> hard
<pie_> well i havent used word in a while so idk what its like there, but libreoffice is still...
<pie_> i "just" want to insert another copy of this table in between two others :V
<joepie91> pie_: wanted: treesize mechanics, but in libreoffice
<joepie91> eh
<joepie91> treesheets*
<samueldr> WYSIWYG: what you see is the mess you get ;)
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