gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<Church-> I grumble at frickin Go
<pie_> grmbl grmbl
<Church-> No obvious errors are leaping out, yet it fails to build
<Church-> Gives a bunch of undefines
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<colemickens> oh hey, what's that?
<colemickens> boot.kernelParams = [ "mitigations=off" ];
<colemickens> "gotta go fast". <insert sonic>
<pie_> i dont suppose my python+FUSE is exploding because of some sort of hardening?
<pie_> (not that that makes much sense to me)
<drakonis> oh man, i cant stop looking into the nix repository, those pull requests are a beauty
<drakonis> a thing of beauty
<drakonis> hm, how do i replace my nix install with one coming from master?
<pie_> drakonis, hm? which? or do you mean all of them :D
<drakonis> i mean all of them
<drakonis> because the next major release will be beautiful
<drakonis> a beautiful flower blooming
<pie_> ah
<pie_> drakonis, is all the cool shit coming up
<drakonis> yes
<pie_> damn i gotta hurry up with my RFC then
<drakonis> this is a lot of cool shit
<pie_> drakonis, anything specific
<drakonis> uhh other than flakes, there's now nix app
<pie_> ohhh right flakes >_> i havent even been keeping up with that sheesh
<pie_> whats nix app
<drakonis> which directly runs things?
<drakonis> uhh here
<{^_^}> nix#2909 (by edolstra, 4 hours ago, open): Add 'nix app' command
<pie_> hmmmmmmmm
<drakonis> i find that it might be a strong flatpak contender
<pie_> something something appima- yeah that
<drakonis> appimage is in the "meh" category right now
<drakonis> i really want to replace my nix install with the flakes tree right now
<drakonis> seems like its on a usable state now
<pie_> well you could always try a vm i guess :D
<drakonis> there's also a nix-shell replacement now
<drakonis> nix dev-shell
<drakonis> life is good.
<drakonis> i want to use the next release because it does repo management so much better than channels
<drakonis> i can't actually use lutris because the channel isn't upgrading
<drakonis> plus it becomes easier to develop
<drakonis> hoo boy
<pie_> is lutris actually any good? it seems to mostly only have steam games
<pie_> and for that you might as well just use steam?
<drakonis> i'm using it to manage wine
<pie_> i mean idk, i only tried to package it once or something
<drakonis> not steam games
<pie_> ah. didnt know it manages wine
<pie_> (which is how i ended up working on winnix originally)
<drakonis> to be fair, i'd still like having something to manage wine with nix
<drakonis> lutris is kinda nice but most of it, is extraneous on nix
<drakonis> the emulator stuff for instance
<drakonis> ah i have figured out how to replace 2.2 with 2.3(?)
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<drakonis> okay wine is heckin broke on lutris
<drakonis> goddamn.
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<lejonet> etu: real life happened :P sure, what me and srhb came up with is enough to solve the problem _this_ time, but we were investigating the "nice solution" but then real life hit
<srhb> lejonet: etu: fwiw I know that johanot/adamt need to look at it very soon. I'll be sure to assist.
<srhb> Plus getting the 14 upgrade in.
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<srhb> With any luck the py3 build is less crazy and also the py3 interpreter might be.. Less insane :-)
<lejonet> srhb: yeah, I think that if we can crack the embedded interprenter thing and py3, in the future, version bumps will be just version bumps :)
<srhb> Hopefully yes.
<srhb> Also darn real life :)
<srhb> Looks like I'm spoken for for most of the summer q_q
<eyJhb> Damn, srhb is alive
<srhb> Yeah, sorry for my absence recently.. :-P
<eyJhb> Too much work?
<srhb> Yeah, afraid so..
<lejonet> srhb: at least solving the embedded interprenter thing would mean that we could let the PR go through and work on py3 and 14 after that
<eyJhb> Just tell your boss that he can do his own god damn work! ;)
<srhb> lejonet: Yes. Though it might be easier to fix in 14. Might be worth checking out.
<srhb> eyJhb: Hah, yes! Seems he's crazy busy too though...
<lejonet> srhb: I haven't looked at 14 at all, might have to do that then
<srhb> Looked like another semi-major round of refactoring of the mgr stuff at least
<srhb> lejonet: Worryingly most conf is now some sort of centralized database among the daemons.
<srhb> lejonet: So, we might lose some declarativeness.
<MichaelRaskin> Oh right, coordination rethinking debt is something every large organisation has…
<lejonet> srhb: well, technically, the conf has always been with the mon daemons, and run-time changes has been enforced by them
<lejonet> srhb: but if they start to insist that the initial conf can't be a text file anymore, that will indeed cause problems
<lejonet> srhb: if everything goes as I think it will, I will probably order a new ceph node this month, leaving us more room to experiment on actual hardware
<srhb> lejonet: I don't think it will be too bad even so, we can just fake the textual conf via a smart-ish systemd job.
<lejonet> srhb: yeah, some fancy script that does the conf instead of it taking the conf from a file
<eyJhb> srhb what company do you work for again?
<eyJhb> btw. no more fun with the CTF challenge guys, it was just taken down today :(
<srhb> Aw, how come?
<srhb> eyJhb: DMI
<srhb> Cue the weather jokes.
<eyJhb> Postevent phase of the CTF was over... :/ But the challenge is still available at Gitlab! So basically `docker run --rm -it -p 8080:5000 registry.gitlab.com/deviosec/challenges/aarhusctf2019/web-awesome-calculator:latest` :D
<eyJhb> I REALLY REALLY would like to make some wather jokes, but I've NONE... And I usally don't check the weather, since it is 99.9% sure it will rain or snow in Aalborg. Like. All.. The.. Time..
<srhb> xD
<srhb> I'm pretty sure that's untrue, but what do I know, I'm only an IT person :P
<MichaelRaskin> When I were in Aarhus for a bit more than a year, it was better. But if it does rain, there is a question will it also be windy or very windy, which affects usefulness of umbrellas…
<eyJhb> Okay, like.. 50% of the time... The one certain thing in Aalborg though, if you visit "Kildeparken" aka. "*insertnotverynicewordhere Park", some weird song will always play, and it is VERY VERY CREEPY at 1 am..
<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin true... Generally never use a umbrella.. Most of the time it is uselss
<eyJhb> Were you from Denmark too?
<MichaelRaskin> Nope, I just was a postdoc in Aarhus University at some point
<eyJhb> Oh.. Were you a part of my "guess what the logo looks like" competetion btw.?
<MichaelRaskin> No…
<eyJhb> You missed something glorious then. What were you doing as postdoc?
<MichaelRaskin> Well, a bit of algorithms, a bit of game theory, a bit of crypto
<lejonet> srhb: from what I can read from the documentation, they are standing fast with the text confs :)
<eyJhb> Game theory? - I know they quite enjoy crypto and algo..
<srhb> lejonet: Good!
<lejonet> srhb: The MONs are the gatekeepers of the conf, which is why all other daemons technically only need to know the IPs/hostnames of all the mons to fetch their conf
<lejonet> Yeah, seems like they are still going to adhere to the "text confs is the actual conf, but you can change it during runtime with ceph config, and it'll be propagated"
<MichaelRaskin> eyJhb: well, a few people there sometimes look into random topics on the edge of Maths and CS
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<lejonet> So testing different confs isn't a big pita, and you can always restore "actual" conf by just restarting the mons
<eyJhb> Sounds about right. The Aarhus CTF thing was in collaboration with Computer Science at AU.. We had sooooo much crypto....
<eyJhb> But why Denmark btw.?
<lejonet> srhb: a nice thing with the dashboard, they've abstracted it to its own package now, with 14.2, which will make it much easier to handle probably :)
<MichaelRaskin> Random connections; given that out of all my postdoc applications I have approximately 100% interview success rate and 0% cold-submission success rate… and it is definitely a nice place and a few nice teams.
<__monty__> eyJhb: The logo was obviously a cap that had fallen upside down. You know, one of those ridiculous ones because someone had bent the flap up?
<eyJhb> Fair, normally from.. US? - __monty__ you know what it is! :p
<eyJhb> Btw. does anybody know of a nice small, foldable, bluetooth keyboard? Wanting something I can use with Termux on Android
<MichaelRaskin> I wonder how many nontrivial nontransparent gotchas are there in GitHub sponsorship platform (to avoid becoming competition to other money laundering mechanisms, which would be against the law)
<aanderse> MichaelRaskin: yeah i'm sure there is a load they aren't saying... because at face value the gaming that could happen there is through the roof
<MichaelRaskin> It is possible that they are going to run these restrictions honestly, though — in the sense that either the sender doesn't get charged or the receiver can withdraw within a month or a real court order happens and get shown to both sides (in contrast to PayPal; matching funds refused for arbitrary reasons doesn't qualify for dishonesty)
<MichaelRaskin> But there is no evidence so far in either direction, of course
<gchristensen> pacmd load-module module-remap-sink sink_name=mono master=alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.analog-stereo channels=2 channel_map=mono,mono <- force audio streams to be mono for those poorly recorded conference talks
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<samueldr> also good for those with bad stereo hearing I guess
<pie_> oh no what is this <lejonet> srhb: but if they start to insist that the initial conf can't be a text file anymore, that will indeed cause problems
<pie_> eyJhb, aw, guess i cant keep messing wit FUSE, too lazy to set it up locally :
<pie_> * :P
<pie_> andi-, what would it take to get a nixcon website up
<andi-> pie_: it is WIP...
<andi-> or in other words: SOOON(tm)
<pie_> would it be ok to preliminatily just get a shitty html only page up? :P :D
<pie_> trolling: just point everyone to a git repo with a document in it
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<eyJhb> pie_ well... Isn't it somewhat the same, as when using github pages?
<pie_> eyjhb, now that you mention it
<eyJhb> Understood the joke, but soon realised... It.. It is the same concept. That is also where my own blog is used :p
<eyJhb> But considering switching it to Gitlab
<MichaelRaskin> I should actually find out where in Munich Mayflower is located…
* samueldr wonders if it's in Munich
<samueldr> ;)
<MichaelRaskin> Depends on which Mayflower, sure
<samueldr> oh, I had misread your sentence and skipped over "in" of "where in"
<MichaelRaskin> Well, as I work in TU Munich now, I probably should at some point try to to meet some of the Nixers in Munich in person…
<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin are there many?
<MichaelRaskin> Well, a lot of Nixpkgs committers seem to be associated with Mayflower.de, and many of them also put Munich in location…
<eyJhb> Yeah okay.. I only remember srhb as being Danish, and like two others, but can't remember their names... And then one guy from Uni who presented me to it
<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin out and get some beers!
<MichaelRaskin> There is a catch: I don't drink beer
<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin: out and get some vodka!
<MichaelRaskin> That would be stereotypically fitting, but…
<eyJhb> Russian?
<MichaelRaskin> When I worked in Bordeaux, I said that stereotypically a person from Russia, namely Moscow, who is half-programmer and half-mathematician and works in Bordeaux would be expected to drink at least _one_ of vodka, tea, beer, coffee, or wine — but…
<eyJhb> vodka+beer => the start of a good night, and a bad tomorrow
<MichaelRaskin> I think in Belgium they sell this pre-mixed
<MichaelRaskin> Under a fitting name «Delirium tremens»
<eyJhb> Never had it anywhere, except when I mix myself.. But that might be because I generally only drink beer...
<eyJhb> No princess drinks normally
<MichaelRaskin> In the receipt it is shown as a beer, but no really, I think it has a 10% vol. version
<eyJhb> As long as it's cheap
<MichaelRaskin> I am not sure if sparkling mineral water is actually my favourite beverage; or whether I like tonic water more, just not enough to justify the difference.
<eyJhb> That sounds very very much like non-alcohol?
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<MichaelRaskin> Indeed
<MichaelRaskin> My estimate is that I don't enjoy the taste of anything above ~1% alcohol
<etu> That seems like me
<__monty__> MichaelRaskin: Since you like tonic. Do you like gin & tonic?
<MichaelRaskin> Nope.
<__monty__> Maybe you haven't had a good one? Most add too much gin.
<MichaelRaskin> Well, if you satisfy the requirement that the resulting mix has less than 1% alcohol…
<MichaelRaskin> The limit case of gin&tonic being pure tonic being indeed good…
<__monty__> Hah, joke's on you cause I don't use HTTPS : >
<__monty__> : )
<samueldr> wasn't that a troll payload that instead opens a reverse shell on IP address 0x0238f06a?
<samueldr> remember, 0x0238f06a is a perfectly cromulent representation of an IP address
<__monty__> What a cromulent use of cromulent. /tipo'thehat
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<pie_> nice emoji you have there good sir
<etu> ar: Fake anyways afaik
<pie_> damn son <feep> https://i.redd.it/1j4y3hz9mr131.png minecraft shaders have gotten kind of bullshit.
<pie_> next thing you know architects will be using minecraft instead of autocad
<drakonis> for a moment i thought that was a real picture
<ar> foliage makes it obvious for me that it's not
<pie_> (meanwhile i got sidetracked, this is pretty rad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geGziPUQD2U )
* pie_ goes back to reading zfs man page
<ar> pie_: farlands aren't a thing anymore
<ar> worldgen has been "fixed"
<pie_> oh man this part with the water looks amazing https://youtu.be/C1ZN_NRBWwI?t=13
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