gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<mdash> samueldr: there's no posix api for querying SRV, so it's stayed niche
<samueldr> is there a posix api to query http?
<samueldr> (not trolling)
<samueldr> (sure, not the same layer)
<samueldr> (it's dns, and dns has API I think for that)
<samueldr> (not for that, but there are POSIX API for name resolution, aren't there?)
<samueldr> >> endnetent, getnetbyaddr, getnetbyname, getnetent, setnetent - network database functions
<samueldr> yeah, maybe annoying due to that
<samueldr> still, annoying though how nothing seems to evolve really :(
<samueldr> it's a 2000 RFC, so it couldn't have been relevant for POSIX, still could have been something great if there was adoption
<samueldr> other than XMPP, I bet minecraft is the biggest user of SRV records
<samueldr> *something* made HTTP flourish so much more than many other protocols, and I have doubts that it may be corporate firewalls :/
<ar1a> so termite on nixos has decided to enable ligatures, and i cant figure out how to turn it off. it properly breaks my shell whenever = is anywhere
<ottidmes> ar1a: I got that same problem in xfce4-terminal, so far I just learned to live with them
<ottidmes> ar1a: I did try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration/Examples#Disable_ligatures_for_monospaced_fonts but it did not seem to have any effect, maybe I need to reboot, but I have too much open at the moment
<ottidmes> you can just set it via: fonts.fontconfig.localConf = '' ... '';
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<ar1a> ill give it a shot
<ar1a> didn't work
<ar1a> im too tired to keep playing around with it, query me if you ever get it working
<iqubic> what's a ligature?
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<colemickens> oh my goodness this is the most exciting weekly update yet
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<elvishjerricco> colemickens: Why's that?
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<colemickens> I might've gotten a bit excited about the titles, but I've thought nix and terrafoem is a smart matchup for a while, as well as the nix env enhancements
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<gchristensen> "feels-like" low tomorrow morning of -32C :D
<sphalerite> o.o
<samueldr> snow storn at -17C, which is bad since ice management is much less effective, and the snow blows like flour
<samueldr> (that's the current status)
<samueldr> with a wind chill (feels like) -31 right now
<samueldr> wind chill of -27 for tomorrow morning
<MichaelRaskin> I haven't been in places with real winter during winter for quite some time
<__monty__> Yeah, I haven't been to the north pole recently either.
<MichaelRaskin> Well, in Moscow -25°C actual temperature is not something you see every winter, but also not really a huge unsolvable problem
<samueldr> ah, here "down south" in Québec it's seen often throughout the winter
<samueldr> though looks like they have it harsh https://www.weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-5_metric_e.html
<MichaelRaskin> No wonder they are only 600!
<ar1a> low of +21 degrees today in sydney
<gchristensen> brisk
<ar1a> celsius :P
<ar1a> its summer
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<joepie91> *collective mock-surprise amongst the internet intensifies*
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<gchristensen> cooooooooool
<gchristensen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVabz8LneI4 "Introducing the Baroque Theorbo"
<ar1a> https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/19/mermaids-trans-donkey-kong-twitch/ you guys see this thing? hbomberguy is at like 170k raised
<gchristensen> :o whoa!
<ar1a> https://www.twitch.tv/hbomberguy he just woke up
<gchristensen> ok I was just going to ask if he's slept.
<ar1a> yeah twice now
<srhb> I wonder if there ever was a real target. Not that it matters much, just curious. 173k is.. a lot :)
<gchristensen> not sure about starting out, but apparently $1 per tweet of that guy
<qyliss> The funding they lost out on was like 500k I think?
<qyliss> but I very much doubt they were expecting to match that
<srhb> qyliss: Was it USD? It's a UK foundation, right?
<srhb> But yes indeed, no one would have thought this much :D
<qyliss> GBP
<srhb> Ow. :)
<srhb> Oh the values aren't that different these days.
<gchristensen> at least the GBP is weak now, compared to the USD: )
<srhb> Yeah I didn't actually realize.
<srhb> Brexit? :P
<gchristensen> definitely yes
<srhb> The troughs and mountains are pretty similar
<gchristensen> aye
<srhb> But ouch, 2014-2015 :)
<srhb> It's funny, in Denmark we're (apparently) equally anti-euro, but our currency is locked to the EUR.
<qyliss> ... how is that anti-euro then?
<qyliss> I guess you can unlock it if you want?
<ar1a> srhb: original target was $500
<srhb> qyliss: Sorry I meant anti-EU.
<qyliss> ahh
<ar1a> then the target keep rasing, 1k, 10k, 40k, etc etc
<srhb> qyliss: But I guess being a small economy makes being an independent player in the internal market kind of... crazy.
<ar1a> there have been guests like chelsea manning and laura jane grace and whatnot on too
<srhb> ar1a: That joke was painful :|
<ar1a> what joke?
<srhb> ar1a: Ah, the monk joke the skeleton crew told :P
<ar1a> LOL yeah its cringy and cheesy
<ar1a> part of its charm
<srhb> Totes.
<ar1a> none of this was planned either
<ar1a> its been a whopping 46 hours
<MichaelRaskin> srhb: well, a referendum with a lot less integration on stake ended up approximately the same as Brexit referendum in Denmark, so not as anti-EU
<srhb> MichaelRaskin: Not as, no, but definitely very close. And frankly, a "Dexit" vote could fall either way here, depending on when it was put to the vote.
<MichaelRaskin> As for currency lock — when working in Denmark I was told that story about not _exactly_ locking the rate
<srhb> Indeed :P
<srhb> It's close though, but there's some wiggle room.
<MichaelRaskin> (for less connected with Denmark: when some speculators tried to long the DKK shorting EUR, they were sold all the DKK in electronic form they wanted, with rate going up ~0.5% and the EURs they paid were reserved; when they noticed it doesn't work and DKK is _not_ going far from EUR lock target, they sold, dropping the rate in the process; profit — for Central Bank)
* srhb snrks
<ar1a> i wonder what australia exiting the commonwealth would be called. auxit?
<MichaelRaskin> Well, Switzerland did flinch
<__monty__> ar1a: Probably AUsgang.
<MichaelRaskin> I think that only works for Austria exiting EU
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<ar1a> __monty__: lmao
<srhb> Australia joined the Eurovision song contest, I doubt they care about any other transnational unions.
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<__monty__> I don't get the EU hate tbh. I think people underestimate how much the EU has benefit them.
<joepie91> people don't even understand what the EU does
<joepie91> and the EU is doing a pretty poor job at changing that :)
<srhb> True enough. It's a complex beast, too.
<joepie91> well yeah, but even the basics - like the difference between regulations and directives - aren't explained well nor known
<joepie91> and those are concepts that are... not that difficult to explain
<joepie91> (for those reading along not familiar with the difference: a regulation is a law that is directly and universally applicable to all EU members, possibly with bits carved out for local legislation, whereas a directive is more a set of optional instructions that every individual EU member uses to write their own country-specific law)
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<joepie91> (and many things are directives and therefore not actually 'forced on the country by the EU', like many people love to claim)
<MichaelRaskin> Of course, some of the things «forced by EU bureacracy» are actually local directive implementation details that do not follow from the actual directive and are closer to attempts to subvert it
<srhb> Case in point is the logging directive that I love to hate on.
<gchristensen> plain text logs only, no structured logging?
<samueldr> logging as in trees or logging as in "logs"
<srhb> gchristensen: Hah!
<srhb> Logging as in logging details about all calls, text messages, "high level" internet use.
<gchristensen> ahh my yes
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<srhb> Apparently it's called the data retention directive. :P
<srhb> Anyway, the point is that it was probably implemented in a, uh, not-quite-legal way in DK.
<gchristensen> I never think to start croissants i time to finish them at a reasonable hour.
<MichaelRaskin> That's why croissants are for breakfast?
<gchristensen> I guess, but I usually end up just finishing them and eating them at whatever hour.
<samueldr> croissant-based sandwiches are good at any time
<gchristensen> and tragically there is not a single bakery here providing a even quarter way decent croissant
<MichaelRaskin> For _quarter_ way decent I would start examinating ready-to-bake options in shops with fridges…
<gchristensen> those would be better than what you pay $4.50 for down the street.
<MichaelRaskin> Cheaper _and_ better!
<gchristensen> :)
<MichaelRaskin> And with some high-tech called «timer» available in time for breakfast at home!
<Ralith> now I want a ham and cheese croissant
<srhb> Frankly the pressurized can croissant things are excellent for emergency snacking needs.
<elvishjerricco> becoming more and more tempted to reset my home dir on boot... I like to try software out, and software likes to put crap in the home dir.
<gchristensen> sounds scary
<elvishjerricco> yea
<elvishjerricco> I'd have to remember to keep data on other file systems
<srhb> Canned croissants or home dir? :3
<gchristensen> home dir! canned croissants are nice, yeah
<elvishjerricco> trying to think what home dir data I care about that isn't regenerated when the nixos config activates.
<elvishjerricco> all my config files I care about are managed by home-manager
<MichaelRaskin> And maybe try out software in nsjail
<gchristensen> nice
<elvishjerricco> Yea. overlayfs is another option
<gchristensen> you can just `ncdu` and delete stuff you don't like
<elvishjerricco> user namespace -> mount namespace -> mktemp -> overlayfs -> chroot -> exec
<gchristensen> -> new computer
<elvishjerricco> lol
<MichaelRaskin> -> new CPU arch
<samueldr> -> new computing concepts
<gchristensen> simpson mustbe asleep, not having brought up capabilities yet
<MichaelRaskin> Too late
<MichaelRaskin> -> new logical system
<simpson> gchristensen: I have faith that, when any one of y'all get around to building new systems of any sort, you'll remember at least some of what I said, and that should be sufficient.
<gchristensen> I am certain that is true
<simpson> http://www.erights.org/ still has this quote on the front page: "We do not influence the course of events by persuading people that we are right when we make what they regard as radical proposals. Rather, we exert influence by keeping options available when something has to be done at a time of crisis."
<elvishjerricco> wait does overlayfs not work over zfs?
<MichaelRaskin> Well, in this community «just something» might be less influence than simply remembering the convenience of Nix builds finding only what they are given, even without full sandboxing.
<MichaelRaskin> Of course, it's the same direction anyway.
<gchristensen> elvishjerricco: why wouldn't it?
<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: Seems to be some kind of unintended behavior: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1718761
<elvishjerricco> Well it's not ZFS. I made four tmpfs directories for upper, lower, work, and merged, and getting the same error
<elvishjerricco> `mount: /home/will/overlays/merged: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on overlay, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.`
<__monty__> Isn't upper the merged directory?
<elvishjerricco> __monty__: No, it does not contain the unmodified files from the lower dir. `merged` is the mountpoint where files from both upper and lower are visible
<elvishjerricco> I do not know the purpose of workdir :P
<__monty__> It's for partially written stuff I think.
<__monty__> You're right though, it's how I actually use it too.
<__monty__> Anyway, good night.
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<gchristensen> nix-build'ing -I/nix/store/...hnnnng...
<elvishjerricco> Can nixpkgs cross compile with rust / carnix yet?