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<sophiag>
the manual is a bit unclear as to whether you need to reboot after calling "nixos-rebuild switch." seems like no, but mine was successful and the window manager didn't even restart, which seems odd
<clever>
sophiag: it will restart some system services, but it wont restart xorg on its own
<clever>
sophiag: you have to manualy "systemctl restart display-manager"
<sophiag>
thanks
<clever>
sophiag: it will clearly tell you which services it skipped
<sophiag>
yeah, it says systemd-hostedname.service. wasn't sure what that meant
<clever>
run "systemctl status systemd-hostedname.service"
<clever>
it should give a description
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<c74d>
I'm using ZFS on NixOS, and `nixos-rebuild switch --upgrade` says that the current versions of Linux and ZFS on Linux are incompatible, and suggests that I use `zfsUnstable`; could(/should) I use a LTS version of Linux instead?
<c74d>
s/the current versions/NixOS's current versions/
<clever>
c74d: are you forcing a kernel version in configuration.nix?
<c74d>
I don't think so; I'll check
<clever>
c74d: boot.kernelPackages
<sophiag>
clever: it justs says systemd itself...
<sophiag>
i'm thinking maybe best to reboot
<c74d>
clever: the string 'kernelPackages' doesn't appear in my configuration
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<clever>
c74d: then it should be using the default for that nix channel
<clever>
gchristensen: hard to see what exactly its doing without some more context
<gchristensen>
verify-test-case is a wrapper around nixpkgs/nixos/tests/make-test.nix which defines a qemu machine special to this use case, accepts variables appropriate (like the # of database servers it should create before starting the test)
<clever>
ah
<gchristensen>
and then runs phases to perform operations with a built-in DSL for asserting results
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<gchristensen>
neat. no? :)
<clever>
yeah
<gchristensen>
& it only took about an hour to make
<clever>
nice
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<clever>
gchristensen: i so have a fairly large project i plan to test more fully with nixos, first step is to get the entire thing booting on a fresh nixos with zero manual config
<gchristensen>
nice
<yorick>
you made it into a lisp
<gchristensen>
yorick: :D
<gchristensen>
clever: the qemu infra is very very helpful for that
<gchristensen>
yorick: is there something wrong with that?
<yorick>
gchristensen: well, we have guix already
<gchristensen>
heh, I'm only using the parens for operator precedence
<gchristensen>
functions in lists are not so good
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<dmj`>
where is `install` located
<gchristensen>
coreutils
<dmj`>
gchristensen: gracias
<gchristensen>
denada (sp?)
<dmj`>
yup, bueno
<gchristensen>
:)
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<Drakonis>
gchristensen, are there other available sets of utilities?
<sophiag>
so... just evaled my .emacs for the first time and it can't find packages in my emacs.nix. i'm thinking it may have to do with a global/local issue?
<Drakonis>
instead of gnu coreutils
<Drakonis>
busybox, toybox
<gchristensen>
busybox exists yes
<MichaelRaskin>
type -P emacs
<Drakonis>
get nix on portable systems
<gchristensen>
toybox doesn't seem to be in nixpkgs
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<sophiag>
MichaelRaskin: -P?
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<Drakonis>
there's also the famous suckless utils but let's not get into that, they're
<Drakonis>
uh
<Drakonis>
sucky
<MichaelRaskin>
sophiag: check path to the executable
<MichaelRaskin>
lowercase -p in zsh, uppercase -P in bash
<sophiag>
oh, i don't have that alias
<MichaelRaskin>
type is the command
<MichaelRaskin>
«type -P emacs»
<MichaelRaskin>
not a verb
<sophiag>
ah ok
<sophiag>
haha. i'm used to using $PATH or similar
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<sophiag>
it's at "/run/current-system/sw/bin/emacs"
<MichaelRaskin>
Hm. And you have added your emacs-with-packages to systemPackages, right?
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<sophiag>
oh, no. i just have emacs
<sophiag>
emacs-with-packages will put all the packages in my emacs.nix in its search path?
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<MichaelRaskin>
I mean, the code to import emacs.nix
<MichaelRaskin>
not literally emacs-with-packages
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<sophiag>
oh yes. i have that
<sophiag>
(pkgs.callPackage ./emacs.nix {})
<gchristensen>
MichaelRaskin: how do you type « / » ?
<MichaelRaskin>
What's the problem with typing a slash?
<gchristensen>
*stare* lol
<khumba>
Compose key with "<<"? :)
<MichaelRaskin>
I have some custom overrides, actually
<gchristensen>
MichaelRaskin: how do you type «»«»
<sophiag>
i knew what you were asking :)
<MichaelRaskin>
flag key + [
<gchristensen>
or maybe «\»\«»? is there a proper escape sequence here?
<MichaelRaskin>
And flag key is set up as ISO Level3 Shift
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<gchristensen>
is this special softwar?
<MichaelRaskin>
Nope, just xmodmap a lot
<gchristensen>
neat, thank you
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<MichaelRaskin>
Actually, that specific combo can be present in upstream us(intl_deadkeys)
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<MichaelRaskin>
But I have three layouts (LGC) and a lot of overrides for Level3
<gchristensen>
my keyboard at home for some reason has a key specifically for the overlapping-S symbol that means section
<MichaelRaskin>
That one: § ?
<gchristensen>
yep. I would have found it via web browser, but am conserving energy since I'm in an airplane.
<MichaelRaskin>
I have that in my layout
<MichaelRaskin>
sophiag: I would check if there is a differnet emacs* executable
<MichaelRaskin>
And maybe strace emacs to see what it actually touches
<sophiag>
that was my thinking
<gchristensen>
maybe whereis to see if you have multiple
<sophiag>
strace says it is actually looking in /nix/store...
<sophiag>
and whereis says i only have one copy :/
<sophiag>
don't see how it could be my .emacs...package names don't change and if the first one required didn't download from melpa-stable i would have gotten an error on rebuild
<gchristensen>
ok I'm off for a bit. good luck, sophiag
<sophiag>
thanks for all the help today
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<sophiag>
it's not many packages for me to download from melpa directly, i was just really psyched for nix to do it automagically :/
<sophiag>
and sort of the most important thing for me to get back to work
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, there is the intermediate option: load all the .el files that get into /run/current-system/sw/…
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<sophiag>
you mean locate where nix downloaded them?
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<sophiag>
oh...actually whereis can't find any of them...
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, not sure what whereis looks for
<MichaelRaskin>
It may be it just doesn't go into the needed directory
<MichaelRaskin>
Maybe just try find
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<sophiag>
this is odd. so i tried nix-build on my emacs.nix and then ./result/bin/emacs -q, M-x package-initialize, and now tried to pull up my .emacs and it isn't evaling
<sophiag>
i really think the issue is a global/user thing
<sophiag>
ah, right because this version i launched from a root shell
<djames>
I noticed that my shim script for scala sets JAVA_HOME to be a version I don't want. Other than changing it directly, what are some good ways to tell Nix to rely on a version of Java I specify? (or is that contrary to the spirit of Nix?)
<djames>
(The script was installed by Nix and lives in ~/.nix-profile/bin/scala
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<sophiag>
so clearly something to do with it is "./result/bin/emacs -q" does open a different emacs than the one i've been using, likely has the packages, but (find-file user-init-file) throws an error so i can't even locate its .emacs!
<sophiag>
i've literally never seen that before. it's telling me "wrong type argument: stringp, nil" wtf
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<sophiag>
oh, maybe not tho...even that version can't find the theme in my emacs.nix
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<Ralith>
sophiag: you shouldn't need to deal with melpa at all
<djames>
I've found some clues in my search for changing JAVA_HOME. I looked at the source of the scala package and found that it sets up the shim script using the `jre` variable (if that is the right term).
<sophiag>
Ralith: glad you're here :)
<Ralith>
all you need to do is install an expression like (emacsWithPackages (with emacs24PackagesNg; [ better-defaults ... ]))
<sophiag>
problem is the packages don't seem to be there. no errors on rebuild tho
<Ralith>
how are you starting emacs
<Ralith>
and what does `which emacs` return
<sophiag>
"/run/current-system/sw/bin/emacs"
<sophiag>
and i start it from either gnome or cli
<Ralith>
try installing it in your user profile instead of the system profile
<sophiag>
interestingly i seem to get a different version if i run ./result/bin/emacs -q but that doesn't have the packages either
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] khumba opened pull request #22426: squirrel-sql: init at 3.7.1 (master...squirrel-sql) https://git.io/vDnXu
<sophiag>
how do i specify to install it locally in my config? also now wondering if this could be an issue with other packages...
<Ralith>
`nix-env -f emacs.nix -i` or something like that
<Ralith>
later you can use buildEnv to make a declarative profile
<sophiag>
oh yeah, i was hoping not to do it that way. guess you're thinking just to diagnose the problem tho
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<sophiag>
and then you'd suggest i move my emacs.nix locally and build that? because now i have the app local, but it still can't find its packages
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<sophiag>
hmm still doesn't seem to be working. they're different versions now too. it downloaded 25 and it says emacs-with-packages-24.5
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<Ralith>
the location of your emacs.nix isn't relevant
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<Ralith>
are you on nixos unstable or something?
<sophiag>
nope
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<sophiag>
i'd be quite stupid to be on unstable with all the trouble i've had over the past two days :p
<Ralith>
emacs 25 is not the default emacs on 16.09
<sophiag>
seems like most of the folks on hacker news give up using nixos tho so maybe i'm ahead of the curve. lol
<sophiag>
yeah, i know. i've never used 25 before
<Ralith>
it is not possible that nixos-16.09 will install emacs 25 when asked for pkgs.emacs
<sophiag>
not sure what to say
<Ralith>
the expression I gave above works fine installed in a user profile; I have no idea what your system configuration is
<sophiag>
oh, that threw an error so i just used "nix-env -i emacs"
<sophiag>
you suggested "nix-env -f nix.emacs -i"
<Ralith>
those are drastically different commands
<sophiag>
welp, not sure why the latter failed
<Ralith>
please don't substitute commands without saying anything
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<sophiag>
sorry. my bad
<Ralith>
you should remove all the various emacses you have installed and use the expression I gave you above
<Ralith>
that means remove the one from your user profile and remove the one from your configuration.nix and nixos-rebuild switch to apply that change
<Ralith>
and any others you might not have mentioned
<Ralith>
you'll know you got them all when there is no emacs in path
<sophiag>
with nix-env --remove-all ?
<sophiag>
or just rm?
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<Ralith>
the former will of course nuke your user profile, which will certainly get emacs
<Ralith>
rm is not a nix command
<Ralith>
nix-env -e <name> is the normal way to remove things from your profile
<Ralith>
make sure you haven't installed things imperatively in root's profile either
<Ralith>
and no nix-env command will impact your configuration.nix, of course
<sophiag>
i haven't, but i still have the 24.5 version and it's not being removed with nix-env -e
<Ralith>
nix-env -e removes things from your user profile
<sophiag>
even if i run it as root?
<Ralith>
you will also need to remove any instances of emacs you have installed by other means, such as configuration.nix
<sophiag>
right, that's the one i'm talking about
<sophiag>
so you mean rebuild?
<Ralith>
then you are removing things from root's user profile, which is a different thing entirely
<Ralith>
you will need to remove any installations of emacs from all three of those places
<Ralith>
assuming you have installations in all three, which seems likely, that means running nix-env -e as your user, running it as root, deleting references to it your configuration.nix, and running nixos-rebuild switch
<sophiag>
i had only one version, then i imperatively installed 25 somehow just now and then removed it. so the one i have is the one from config
<sophiag>
ok gotcha
<Ralith>
nix-env -q will list the names of everything installed in the profile of the user running it
<sophiag>
nix-env -q emacs turns up nothing, but whereis emacs shows it's still there after removing from configuration.nix and rebuilding
<Ralith>
where is "there"
<Ralith>
don't pass an argument to -q
<sophiag>
ok, nix-env-q returns nothing
<Ralith>
as which user?
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<sophiag>
as user, not root
<Ralith>
what does it return as root?
<sophiag>
but apparently there's still a copy here: /nix/store/6x0rk4afcxpai6nr1b5rd1318pzc0si3-system-path/bin/emacs
<Ralith>
of course there's still a copy there, you haven't GCd
<Ralith>
use which, not whereis
<sophiag>
oh, now i get it
<sophiag>
which says i have one at: /run/current-system/sw/bin/emacs
<sophiag>
that's the same 24.5 from all along :/
<Ralith>
that's from your configuration.nix
<sophiag>
nix-env -q returns all and hello
<Ralith>
as root?
<sophiag>
(i only used all for nonfree packages)
<sophiag>
yes, as root
<Ralith>
you should remove both of those
<Ralith>
if you need system-wide packages, put them on configuration.nix, don't use nix-env as root
<Ralith>
put them in*
<sophiag>
yeah, they're not doing anything anyway
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<Ralith>
then you need to remove references to emacs from your configuration.nix and run nixos-rebuild switch
<sophiag>
i'm saying i already did that...
<Ralith>
but you clearly haven't
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<Ralith>
the command is "nixos-rebuild switch" and it needs to be ran as root
<sophiag>
i did, but not the link to emacs.nix where it downloads the emacs packages. so removing that now too
<sophiag>
ah, ok i think i'm good
<sophiag>
which returns no emacs :)
<Ralith>
when I say "remove references to emacs" I do in fact mean to remove references to emacs :P
<sophiag>
i thought you meant references to the application
<sophiag>
anyway, what now?
<Ralith>
emacs is an application, yes
<Ralith>
now you should install the expression I gave you earlier
<sophiag>
but that was a reference to the file which declares emacs packages, not the emacs application
<sophiag>
got it
<sophiag>
wait...as root or user?
<sophiag>
(trying to be very clear from here out)
<Ralith>
again, do not use nix-env as root
<Ralith>
it only ever confuses things
<sophiag>
"error: getting information about ‘/home/sophia/nix.emacs’: No such file or directory"
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<Ralith>
I don't know what nix.emacs is or where it came from or what you're trying to do with it
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<sophiag>
i thought you said "nix-env -f nix.emacs -i"
<Ralith>
I did not
<sophiag>
ah yes, sorry just scrolled up
<sophiag>
i get the same with emacs.nix tho...
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<Ralith>
the expression I gave you was: (emacsWithPackages (with emacs24PackagesNg; [ your-packages-here ]))
<sophiag>
oh at one point you said "nix-env -f emacs.nix -i" so it thought you were referring to that
<Ralith>
that's a shell command, not a nix expression
<sophiag>
so you're saying put this in my configuration.nix and do nixos-rebuild switch?
<Ralith>
that's one way
<sophiag>
or wait...i already have my packages defined in a separate file
<Ralith>
personally I prefer to keep systemPackages as small as possible and certainly absent any heavyweight GUI stuff
<Ralith>
but installing arbitrary expressions in a user profile requires a little more effort
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<Ralith>
that's not the expression I gave you, and nix-build is not a command that installs anything
<Ralith>
(also, it's nice to not need root to add an emacs package or something)
<sophiag>
so just to be clear...what should i actually do then? because i just followed the manual and it didn't work
<Ralith>
the manual contains instructions to do a great many different things
<Ralith>
following an unspecified part of it isn't necessarly useful
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<Ralith>
the simplest way to install an arbitrary nix expression is to place it inside the systemPackages list in configuration.nix
<sophiag>
ok
<Ralith>
and then run "nixos-rebuild switch" as root
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<sophiag>
the manual has only one part on declaring emacs packages tho. so i literally followed the only way it says to do it there
<sophiag>
to be fair
<sophiag>
ok, done
<sophiag>
damn :D
<sophiag>
that was so much easier than what the manual said too
<Rotaerk>
there is a lot about nix that's not documented; just have to accept that :P
<Rotaerk>
well, nixpkgs at least
<sophiag>
yeah i figured. at people on irc are nice tho
<sophiag>
channels vary greatly...
<Ralith>
the manual's approach is probably perfectly reasonable as well, but it looks more advanced
<Ralith>
and therefore easier to get wrong
<Ralith>
feel free to experiment with different approaches; the expression and approach I guided you to was just the most basic thing that could possibly work
<sophiag>
yeah from what i read before jumping into nixos i suspect the confusion is over user vs. root level stuff
<Ralith>
nix-env as root is a bit of a footgun
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<sophiag>
well i never ran nix-env. i did it all in configuration and a linked emacs.nix file i copied from the manual
<sophiag>
a really nice thing about your approach is not having to remember what repo the emacs packages are in
<Ralith>
clearly you ran nix-env as root at some point, because you had things installed there
<sophiag>
i think that's because i had the emacs.nix i created in /etc/nixos/
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<Ralith>
the different emacs package repos often have different versions of the same package
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<Ralith>
there are times when this matters
<sophiag>
the theme i use isn't in stable for whatever reason
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<sophiag>
things are looking pretty good now :) the only minor issues i have left are not being able to install grub efi support and gnome extensions
<sophiag>
unless you happen to know about those off the top of your head they're really not things i need to deal with now
<Ralith>
using grub on efi strikes me as kind of silly when systemd-boot is a thing
<sophiag>
yeah, someone else told me that. i'm not sure how to configure it tho. currently i have no way to access bios :p
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] 3noch opened pull request #22427: haskellPackages.callCabal2nix: provide fallback name (master...fix-callCabal2nix) https://git.io/vDn9L
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<arianvp2>
but cool, What are you plans for the rest of the week?
<arianvp2>
I'll probably go to the Guix people tomorrow. as that's the closet that we have to a nix track
<zarel>
the schedule of saturday was so overwhelming that I decided to not look at tomorrow's one before tonight
<arianvp2>
the best tactic to fosdem is to have no plan
<arianvp2>
because you always get disappointed because you mis 20 talks for every talk :)
<LnL>
I'm also there :)
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<arianvp2>
I'm the guy in the red sweater with the red hair and the nixos button if you're looking for me after the talk, zarel
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<arianvp2>
also im really tall. unmissable
<zarel>
arianvp2, cool!
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<kragniz>
I got caught in a different room :/
<zarel>
FOSDEM effect
<LnL>
I had no plan except this talk, it's a bit hard to get a proper overview on the website
<zarel>
LnL: I find giggity (android application) pretty comfortable and it's offline usabel
<kragniz>
I'm doing video, so it's a little more hectic
<zarel>
npm behavior is mindblowing!
<zarel>
(w.r.t. the talk)
<LnL>
zarel: well the ios app shows that all talks are at 12u so it's not very usable
<eacameron>
Does nixpkgs.haskellPackages follow Stackage LTS?
<LnL>
eacameron: yes
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<arianvp2>
oh man
<arianvp2>
npm feels painful
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<arianvp2>
did cabal2nix have same hurdles by the way?
<LnL>
yeah npm and pip are two of the most painful package managers that I've used
<arianvp2>
python must be a pain as well
<zarel>
LnL: my coworkers had some talks starred yesterday, and this morning all the talks were un-starred. It's bug ridden
<arianvp2>
have you ever read how python resolves modules?
<arianvp2>
it's crazy complicated
<LnL>
zarel: oh that sucks
<zarel>
sorry I'm running out of power! I have a blue sweater and orange checked shirt if you wish to have a chat
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<fpletz>
our plan is to go to the bar to get some drinks and sit down
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<LnL>
oh
<LnL>
I went to get some food
<eacameron>
LnL: Thanks. I thought so but wanted to be certain.
<pesk>
I would like to contribute a python package to nixos, the installer works and I can load it into other apps that I need.
<pesk>
However, the tests refuse to run successfully during install. I can make them work in "nix-shell --pure pythonPackages.pytest", but having "checkPhase = '' py.test '';" does not work in the install. I suspect this is because it relies on bash functions(?). Any help?
<nh2_>
copumpkin: for me it's definitely not a http2 bug, this machine's network simply has the property that the downloads can only be made fast by using multiple TCP connections
<cko>
how can I install a ghc 7 at NixOS unstable?
<mguentner>
I assume that the paths are not yet realised in parallel, thus no parallel downloads, however the impl looks like it can manage parallel downloads already
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<nh2_>
what's the right command to just download a derivation without using it on my machine, so that I can just export it as a closure and bring it to another machine on a USB drive?
<nh2_>
like e.g. nix-env -i but so that it doesn't install it, just downloads
<copumpkin>
nix-build
<copumpkin>
it'll build or download
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<benzrf>
what exactly is the distinction between haskellPackages and haskell.packages?
<copumpkin>
I didn't even know the latter existed, so you won't get much of an answer out of me :)
<benzrf>
ack
<nh2_>
copumpkin: I can't figure out how to give it a fully qualified package, like `nix-build 7ks5mnhx96z5anhhz859h0aya483c32f-stdenv`, it assumes the first argument is a local path
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<garbas>
copumpkin: i see the issue you created, will reply there
<Unode>
I've recently ran into some troubles with nix's store (in a custom location) and some files were removed. nix-store --repair ran for some hours and managed to repair a bunch of things, however the remaining are still failing with iconv errors such as http://dpaste.com/1B9W079
<Unode>
Do you have any suggestion to fix this?
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<MichaelRaskin>
I would run nix-store --verify
<Unode>
currently, fontconfig, man-db, and a dejavu package are failing with this
<Unode>
MichaelRaskin: nix-store --verify --check-contents --repair is what I've been running.
<MichaelRaskin>
Then I would try -r of the iconv derivation
<Unode>
MichaelRaskin: I'm not sure I know what that means. Can you elaborate a little?
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, recovering from store corruption is complicated. Have you read the Nix manual?
<Unode>
I have some time ago, probably should refresh it.
<MichaelRaskin>
nix-store -r is the «realise» operation\
<MichaelRaskin>
Also, if you have non-standard location, does that mean you run as a non-root user with some underlying distribution?
<nh2_>
mguentner copumpkin: ah, so I can just do `nix-store --realise /nix/store/3zlw6qqvcnv8dh3vgyhvwpmgqwj2mxxf-linux-4.4.44`, if I don't forget to put `/nix/store/` in front, then indeed that works
<nh2_>
cool
<Unode>
MichaelRaskin: yes
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<MichaelRaskin>
Then the builder could inspect /usr/ in some way, not all such attempts are patched out in NixPkgs
<Unode>
I see
<MichaelRaskin>
So I would try building with -K and looking into config.log. The failure may be unrelated to store corruption
<MichaelRaskin>
(it can still be feasible to fix, though)
<Unode>
I have used the strategy of building in a virtualmachine (vmTools.runInLinuxVM) before to overcome one such problem, but I believe this was on another existence (I had nix in a different root before).
<Unode>
MichaelRaskin: thanks, I'll explore those options.
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<MichaelRaskin>
Do you have root access? Building with a non-standard store path with sandboxing works OK
<Unode>
MichaelRaskin: no root access
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* hodapp
stabs OpenCV in the face
<MichaelRaskin>
Is the machine quite powerful? _If_ lack of sandboxing causes significant problems, you can build with the same store path on another machine where you do have root, then export/import the result.
<MichaelRaskin>
(That works especially well when no-root-access machine is also weaker than the build machine)
<Unode>
I'm also getting a strange exit code on http://dpaste.com/33R0M3K when running "nix-env -u" which updates neovim (and ruby as a dependency).
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<Unode>
currently trying this with the vmTools.runInLinuxVM approach to see if I get some progress
<MichaelRaskin>
134 = signal 6 = sigabrt?
<MichaelRaskin>
I would check available RAM…
<Unode>
256GB shouldn't be a problem right?
<MichaelRaskin>
Unless non-root access comes with RAM quotas (like ulimit)
<Unode>
doesn't look that different from my current user
<jophish>
Is there any documentation on what the program under NIX_BUILD_HOOK should do?
<jophish>
aside from reading the source of build-remote.pl
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<Dezgeg>
no (well, it's probably easier to read the c++ version from nix master)
<justanotheruser>
hello, how do I define a custom keyboard in nixos?
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<Unode>
MichaelRaskin: out of curiosity is it possible to have vmTools.runInLinuxVM as the default for all builds? i.e. something I can add to nix.conf ?
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<MichaelRaskin>
Don't think so. For example, one could only hope that this setting wouldn't apply to vmTools.runInLinuxVM itself…
<eacameron>
xwvvvvwx: Right but adding a channel via nix-channel...what does it actually *do* to your computer?
<Unode>
the error you pasted is a python interpreter running a bash script
<Unode>
eacameron: it adds an independent tree of packages that you can pick from
<xwvvvvwx>
eacameron: it doesn't do anything until you install a package / rebuild the os
<eacameron>
Unode: xwvvvvwx: So if you have, say, 3 channels, how does it decide which one to use?
<xwvvvvwx>
It just specifies which packages will be used when you run nixos-rebuild / nix-env etc.
<xwvvvvwx>
eacameron: no idea, why would you want three channels?
<eacameron>
xwvvvvwx: me neither...but nix-channel seems to allow it for some reason.
<eacameron>
xwvvvvwx: That's sort of why I'm curious. Why would I want multiple channels? Why does nix-channel have --add instead of --set?
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: yes clear that the issue is that there are bash scripts inside the python script, but if I understood the github issue I linked correctly, nix intentionally does this
<eacameron>
xwvvvvwx: Also at the moment on my NixOS machine nix-channel --list shows nothing. Yet nixos-rebuild switch --upgrade seems to know where to look.
<xwvvvvwx>
eacameron: try sudo nix-channel --list
<eacameron>
xwvvvvwx: Ohhh
<eacameron>
xwvvvvwx: Now that makes more sense.
<xwvvvvwx>
yeah totally confused me at first as well
<teto>
any guide on how to keep dotfiles working for both ubuntu and nixos ? nixos noob here and from my understanding, I'll need to put nix-shell shebang everywhere which might be a problem if ubuntu does not have it
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<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: not sure how to help here. It seems to me that ycmd should be fixed. The whole tricking it to have a .py that is actually a shell script is nonsense.
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDcl9
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master a2c867f Vladimír Čunát: Merge branch 'staging'
<eacameron>
xwvvvvwx: Thanks. So what's the difference between root channel and user channels? Since all channels specify all packages, I'm curious how you would combine two channels in a meaningful way.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vcunat closed pull request #22121: ghc: support building with integer-simple (master...ghc-integer-simple) https://git.io/vMAst
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<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: if I'm reading it right that is...
<xwvvvvwx>
eacameron: urrrr bit fuzzy on the multi user stuff since I have no need for it, but if I understood it right, the user channels are for per-user packages and the root channel is for systemwide packages
<eacameron>
xwvvvvwx: That seems sensible enough. I suppose nix can tell the difference.
<Unode>
eacameron: in nixOS every user can have it's own set of packages, regardless of what the system runs
<xwvvvvwx>
I mean everything is just a symlink from /nix/store, so you can have outputs from different versions of nixpkgs in the store and then just link them in per user
<Unode>
eacameron: bu the same reasoning, a user can have whatever channels he/she desires
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<xwvvvvwx>
different build recipie == different hash == can coexist in /nix/store
<Unode>
exactly
<eacameron>
Unode: That makes sense...but it doesn't make sense that users would be able pick different network drivers, for example, since the machine can only use one at a time.
<copumpkin>
garbas: thanks!
<Unode>
eacameron: the fact that a channel includes all that is irrelevant
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: yeah this bash in python thing felt totally weird to me, but I don't really know how to fix it
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: Is it part of mkPythonDerivation?
<Unode>
eacameron: they can't pick a driver, the system is already running. They can only run differnt apps, not mess with things that need root access, such as the kernel
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: and it feels somehow needed to get the python path setup correctly?
<garbas>
copumpkin: i should have an answer shortly. it is currently hard to package things with pypi2nix that require specific setuptools version.
<copumpkin>
ah cool
<copumpkin>
thanks!
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<eacameron>
Unode: Ok that makes sense. I guess I just didn't realize nix was making a distinction between root packages and user-level packages. But it makes sense.
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: I don't know where the code bit that was pasted comes from. Is that atom configuration? I think the wrong part is that it's considering it a python executable an not simply something that can be called and should resove its interpreter via shebang
<Unode>
eacameron: technically a user can install a system package, but it would be able to use it
<Unode>
wouldn't *
<eacameron>
Unode: ah gotcha.
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<Unode>
the moment you need root access for something you hit a wall.
<Unode>
which is why "sudo" is such a bad habit, but that's a different story.
<hodapp>
doesn't Arch do some magic in ABS so that packages that think they need root access can still think they get it?
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<eacameron>
Unode: I think I'm catching on.
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: OK maybe I wasn't super clear
<Unode>
hodapp: whatever Arch uses is likely differnt from how nix works. But I'm not familiar with it so I could be wrong.
<garbas>
copumpkin: you didn't choose the easiest package :)
<copumpkin>
:D
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: but my question still stands. Is that option supposed to be a python script, a binary, an executable (shell script with +x)?
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: because from the output it seems like it should be a python script
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: meaning it's being called with "python <ycmd.python>"
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: so whatever wrapping you are to do you probably need to do it in python. Even if it's something as silly as calling subprocess.Popen() to open your shell script.
<Unode>
"turtles all the way down"
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: urgh sorry had the wrong error message there
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: that was without the wrapper script :/
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: not paying attention
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: have update the gist
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: basically the wrapper script fixes the issue with __main__.py but then there is another one of these bash in python things at /nix/store/n0nsk3jfxsl73lpbb2gk91wfd7l2d779-ycmd-2016-01-12/lib/ycmd/ycmd/../ycmd/completers/all/identifier_completer.py
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: still looks like the same problem to me...
<xwvvvvwx>
oh really?
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: your issue is that some python interpreter is trying to either execute __main__.py or "import" it.
<Unode>
so you can't have bash there
<xwvvvvwx>
yes
<xwvvvvwx>
or no I'm not sure
<xwvvvvwx>
in the new error I see __main__.py-wrapped being executed
<Unode>
The previous error was something trying to execute __main__.py this one seems like an import.
<xwvvvvwx>
yes
<hodapp>
how do I point nix-shell to a separate nixpkgs I've checked out, but still use the shell.nix from a local directory?
<xwvvvvwx>
but it's a different file
<Unode>
What is the content of the __main__.py file?
<Unode>
or actually where is that PATH=/nix .. coming from?
<Unode>
if it's coming from a .py script, that's the problem
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<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: added __main__.py to the gist
<hodapp>
tried nix-shell ~/nixpkgs, but this just complains I need allowUnfree and allowBroken, then gives me "error: assertion failed at /home/hodapp/nixpkgs/pkgs/top-level/all-packages.nix:6088:19"
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: yeah that __main__.py makes no sense
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: is that a file created by nix?
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: I assume so
<Unode>
then that's something that needs to be fixed
<Unode>
it assumes that all .py files are executed as ./script.py which is not true
<Unode>
and that's why you are getting all this trouble.
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: How would I go about fixing that
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: I don't see any calls in the ycmd derivation that are wrapping python scripts
<hodapp>
alternate question: how else can I get a nix-shell with opencv3 from recent nixpkgs (16.09 seems to have 3.1, I need 3.2) *and* with enableContrib=true on that package?
<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: I don't know enough about nix to help there.
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<Unode>
xwvvvvwx: but whatever the case, having bash inside a .py file is nonsense.
<Unode>
if a wrapper is needed and it can't go anywhere else, at least write it in python
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: makes total sense to me
<hodapp>
xwvvvvwx: haven't been using separate channels because often enough I have local changes I need
<xwvvvvwx>
Unode: I'll ask a question on the issue
<xwvvvvwx>
hodapp: what do you mean?
<hodapp>
xwvvvvwx: I haven't set up a separate channel for unstable
<hodapp>
I generally just use the nixpkgs repo checked out locally
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<hodapp>
okay, looks like I just needed nix-shell -I nixpkgs=~/nixpkgs
<hodapp>
it is now not complaining about assertions
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<hodapp>
hmmm. this is for https://github.com/shimat/opencvsharp but as far as I understand it even though it's in NuGet one still must build the native library
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<hodapp>
so I guess I could add this to dotnetPackages and have it use fetchNuget or whatever to get the C# half of things
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<hodapp>
I don't suppose C# is hugely popular around here :P
<Rotaerk>
I use it at work
<xwvvvvwx>
hodapp: over my head to be honest, sorry! :)
<hodapp>
xwvvvvwx: shame, it's over mine too
<xwvvvvwx>
:D
<hodapp>
Rotaerk: it appears that I now do too
<hodapp>
and I really am not a big fan of Visual Studio and the like so I'm seeing what's involved in getting some stuff to work with Mono & MonoDevelop
<Rotaerk>
I don't mind VS, though I only use a small set of its features
<Rotaerk>
I do mind how big and sluggish it is though
<hodapp>
I worked with it professionally for years and it just always felt like trying to program with boxing gloves on
<hodapp>
after picking it back up in 2017, the boxing gloves are just shinier now
<hodapp>
but I see dotnet-packages in nixpkgs and it doesn't look horrible to add stuff to it
<Rotaerk>
hmm don't really get what you mean; sounds like you're saying it's limiting, but in what way?
<hodapp>
though I'd have to look for how it does native libraries
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<hodapp>
it's hard to describe, it's just like I always feel like the IDE is in my way, like the build system is in my way, like the project is in my way
<hodapp>
like sometimes I just want to be really explicit about what I'm doing, and not wave the mouse around angrily at a point-and-click system
<drakonis>
so, which version of eclipse should i install?
<hodapp>
D:
<Rotaerk>
null
<drakonis>
which variety
<hodapp>
sadly, Java is one of those languages that kind of needs an IDE to be used sanely
<hodapp>
though many folks seem to prefer NetBeans or IntelliJ, but perhaps you have no choice in whether you use Eclipse
<Unode>
interesting change of topic
<hodapp>
I'm just rambling while OpenCV compiles for like the 5th time
<hodapp>
but hey, maybe I'll contribute this to nixpkgs on the rare chance somebody else wanted to use OpenCV in C# on Mono on Nix o_O
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] kierdavis opened pull request #22448: intel-ocl: init at r4.0-59481 (master...intel-opencl) https://git.io/vDc4o
<Unode>
hodapp: don't mind me, I'm also waiting for a nix-store --repair. And now nix-store --repair-path ... is telling me "you don't have sufficient rights to use this command". I'm already a trusted-user(s). Dunno what else I could be.
<hodapp>
Unode: it mostly follows from "want to do computer vision in C#, but not require Visual Studio" :P
<drakonis>
i want to do some C coding
<drakonis>
which IDE do i need for this
<drakonis>
or which setup
<hodapp>
do you have prior experience with C?
<drakonis>
yes
<Unode>
drakonis: that's a very user specific question. The best answer is "whatever works for you".
<hodapp>
I've been more a fan of just using a decent text editor that knows a little about C and a little about how to run a Makefile.
<hodapp>
e.g. Emacs
<hodapp>
and not bothering with code completion and the like
<Unode>
as someone else said the other day, "pick your poison".
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<Rotaerk>
use the standard unix text editor... ed
<hodapp>
just because it was good enough for Bell Labs in 1975 doesn't mean it's good enough for us now
<Rotaerk>
:P
<Unode>
Rotaerk: I hope you aren't being serious or else I'll hand you the punch cards.
<Rotaerk>
lol
<MichaelRaskin>
Rotaerk: keep up with moder Single Unix Speciication. The modern standard has vi
<hodapp>
9_9
<hodapp>
somehow I doubt any of this is helping drakonis :P
<MichaelRaskin>
I do write whatever C I need in Vim (not vi, though)
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<hodapp>
yeah, most of the C I wrote was in Emacs alongside documentation pages for APIs and I almost never had need of code completion
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<hodapp>
though ctags is still pretty handy to let you quickly jump to a function definition
<Unode>
drakonis: if you just want to get started, any text editor will do. If you want to spend some days procrastinating by finding the best editor that will suit your needs, here's something to get you started: http://www.tecmint.com/best-linux-ide-editors-source-code-editors/
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<hodapp>
curmudgeony me says to use a text editor and to learn to write Makefiles if you don't know how
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<vcunat>
in case you wanted advanced features for C in vim, there is e.g. youcompleteme
<hodapp>
yeah, vim and Emacs can be used as the base for some nice setups for C; I've just usually kept mine pretty minimal
<vcunat>
(but such stuff seems really "personal")
<hodapp>
probably Atom can do this too
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<Unode>
vcunat: if you mention youcompleteme, xwvvvvwx is coming to get you :)
<hodapp>
my Emacs configuration for C was little more than the standard C support, ctags (for larger projects), and some style customization (e.g. no tabs, indent by 4)
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<xwvvvvwx>
hehe :D
<xwvvvvwx>
youcompleteme is pretty nice
<xwvvvvwx>
I use it at work with vscode on osx
<xwvvvvwx>
and I'm quite happy with it
<xwvvvvwx>
Can be a bit slow when you want to jump to definition in a big project but apart from that works great
<xwvvvvwx>
this is for C++ btw, but I assume that the experience is pretty similar
<vcunat>
I haven't noticed any slowness (vim + C), but I haven't used it on any really big project either
<vcunat>
(and the machine is rather fast :-)
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDcRl
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[nixpkgs] dezgeg pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vDc0t
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 01d03cb Tuomas Tynkkynen: binutils: Fix cross build...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master b234309 Tuomas Tynkkynen: make-bootstrap-tools{,-cross}.nix: Fix build after binutils changes...
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<timclassic>
I see the instructions at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs say to maintain custom changes on top of one of the channel branches, i.e. nixos-16.09. Is this acceptable even in the case where I'm using Nix on a non-NixOS system?
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<drakonis>
probably
<drakonis>
a question
<drakonis>
how can i maintain changes based on the master repo?
<LnL>
timclassic: I guess it depends on your usecase, nixpkgs-unstable only tests a few packages
<timclassic>
I'm looking for a stable base
<kier>
has anyone else been getting a message like "error: program ‘/nix/store/g0caryjyiachqrqpscidmx4qvgk1dbq2-openssl-1.0.2j-bin/bin/openssl’ failed with exit code 1" from nix-copy-closure?
<timclassic>
I was worried that the nixos channels would pull in stuff that is NixOS-specific, or somethinhg
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<LnL>
the only changes on release branches are security fixes, nixpkgs-unstable is the latest master that passed some basic sanity checks
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<kier>
oh, I think its because I was using a binary cache keypair instead of an openssl keypair for my /etc/nix/signing-key.sec
<mzarella>
when i go to play.spotify.com, it still tells me that i need to install flash
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<mzarella>
chrome://plugins shows doesn't show flash
<mzarella>
also, pressing ctrl alt backspace doesn't restart the xserver
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<mzarella>
am i missing something?
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<ToxicFrog>
IIRC you need to hold down ctrl and alt and press backspace twice
<viric_>
twice? I didn't know about twice. I won't try now though
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<ToxicFrog>
At least, that's been the behaviour for me for ~years now
<ToxicFrog>
I have no idea if that's a configuration option that most distros set by default or what
<c74d>
that does nothing for me
<c74d>
(I expect I just never enabled it)
<ToxicFrog>
c74d: with services.xserver.enableCtrlAltBackspace = true in configuration.nix?
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<ToxicFrog>
It's off by default in niox
<ToxicFrog>
*nixos
<c74d>
indeed, I never enabled it
<viric_>
X hardly hangs these days
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<viric>
for that to help
<ToxicFrog>
I've been having a lot of problems with kwin_x11 hanging, but c-a-bb doesn't help there :/
<ToxicFrog>
(and I'm not sure if the real culprit is kwin_x11 itself or the display driver or what; it only seems to happen under heavy video decoding or 3d acceleration load)
<viric>
what is heavy video decoding?
<ToxicFrog>
(or I mean, it "helps" by nuking the entire X session, which is kind of overkill when you can fix it by killing and restarting kwin)
<ToxicFrog>
viric: like, multiple youtube videos or VLC instances at once kind of thing
<viric>
how do you play youtube videos?
<ToxicFrog>
In chromium
<viric>
are they hw accelerated there?
<ToxicFrog>
I believe so
<ToxicFrog>
I mean, at some level everything is hardware accelerated because KDE uses a compositing WM, AIUI
<viric>
in firefox they are not
<viric>
ToxicFrog: I mean video decoding
<ToxicFrog>
Hmm
<ToxicFrog>
Ok, chrome://gpu says that most things are hardware accelerated but video decode is not
<viric>
in firefox even the yuv->rgb is not accelerated
<ToxicFrog>
But compositing is
<viric>
firefox or chromium don't give a dim for hw acceleration on linux, I guess
<viric>
video decoding
<viric>
I hate it a lot when video is decoded by software
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<18WAAHTG8>
Hmm, dig was moved from bind to dnsutils since my last update. Had to change my service.systemd.name.path definition.
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<mzarella>
ToxicFrog: i did try hitting backspace twice :|
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<symphorien>
Try alt sysrq k
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