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<maurer> Ralith: Can you explain to me your workflow with nix-instantiate + nix-shell? I use nix-shell for personal dev, and have been annoyed by updates to nixpkgs modifying my environments before I'm ready
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<MichaelRaskin> maurer: just use separate checkouts
<cheesecow> clear
<MichaelRaskin> and NIX_PATH or -I
<Ralith> maurer: `nix-instantiate . --indirect --add-root $PWD/shell.drv` and `nix-shell $PWD/shell.drv`
<maurer> MichaelRaskin: That's what I've been doing, but it's a bit painful, which is why I'm curious about nix-instantiate
<Ralith> quite simple
<maurer> Ralith: Ah, neat trick
<Ralith> could use a little UX polish but I need it rarely enough that I haven't bothered
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<alphor> following the nixos manual, it says I must set boot.loader.grub.device, but if I'm using systemd-boot (provided by generate-config) do I instead set boot.loader.systemd-boot.device?
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<Dezgeg> you don't need to set anything besides boot.loader.systemd-boot.enable then
<alphor> I don't need to direct it to the boot partition?
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<clever> it will use whatever is mounted to /boot/
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<cheesecow> how are non-nix configuration files tracked between rebuilds? for example: i3status.conf here https://nixos.org/wiki/I3_Window_Manager
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<cransom> they aren't
<cheesecow> that is, if I threw my configuration.nix file onto another computer without i3status.conf then i3status wouldn't have a configuration file and therefore wouldn't work right?
<cransom> correct.
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<cransom> you could use an `environment.etc` with your text in configuration.nix (or read in) to stick it in /etc/i3status.conf and then it would be maintained
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] dezgeg pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vDwzv
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master c19b17d Ricardo M. Correia: raspberryPi boot loader: fix booting Raspberry Pi 3...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 123cbd4 Ricardo M. Correia: raspberryPi boot loader: don't remove xx-initrd files...
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<Ralith> of course it's nice not to need root to tweak your DE
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<alphor> is there any reason for sshd.service to not show up in systemctl output?
<alphor> aha, nvm.
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<ndowens> ok i ran nix-shell -p nox --run "nox-review wip and i get errors but nix-build doesnt give any errors
<ndowens> trying to share a package i just did, first one :)
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<journal> quick question this vs gobo linux which is superior?
<simpson> journal: Mu. What features do you want in particular?
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<journal> in particular something that doesnt have breakage issues like synaptic ive read the improvements in the directory tree and like the looks of it. Im tired of breaking apt systems
<journal> i mean aptitude not synaptic
<simpson> I have no idea how GoboLinux mitigates breakages in packages. Nix includes a build system designed to, amongst other things, avoid spurious breakages due to paths or missing dependencies.
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<simpson> journal: FWIW here's a NixOS developer talking about GoboLinux: http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.com/2011/12/evaluation-and-comparison-of-gobolinux.html
<simpson> But it's a little dated at this point, I'd imagine.
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<simpson> journal: One thing that stands out to me is that GoboHide has a kernel piece; NixOS doesn't need kernel modifications to do its thing.
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<ndowens> any idea why nix-shell -p nox --run "nox-review wip" gives this error: http://pastebin.com/UNPRTSXx
<journal> simpson: thank ya, i think ill try and reinstall nix again grub was messed up the first time and the gobo channel is not responding to me
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vDwav
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 5e59903 Franz Pletz: libidn2: fix darwin build...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master e9a5ec0 Franz Pletz: wget: 1.19 -> 1.19.1...
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<fpletz> copumpkin: fixed :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] peterhoeg opened pull request #22691: diskscan: init at 0.19 (master...p/diskscan) https://git.io/vDwa3
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] shlevy pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDwa8
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 6651c72 Shea Levy: proofgeneral_HEAD: Bump
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<gchristensen> !m cransom
<[0__0]> You're doing good work, cransom!
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<peterhoeg> ikwildrpepper: Rob, I was told that you're the man to ask for commit access. There should hopefully be a few +1'ers lurking in here.
<fpletz> !m peterhoeg
<[0__0]> You're doing good work, peterhoeg!
<gchristensen> !m peterhoeg
<[0__0]> You're doing good work, peterhoeg!
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<gchristensen> especially if you keep up the great work on the roundups (◕‿◕✿)
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<peterhoeg> gchristensen: oh, so now it comes with conditions? ;-)
<gchristensen> haha
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<peterhoeg> does anybody have any suggestions regd the best forward for adding proper support for firewalld? The static nature of ./nixos/modules/services/networking/firewall.nix really doesn't work well when one uses a laptop on site with multiple customers.
<peterhoeg> I have sorted out the software itself, but trying to integrate it with the existing firewall module is probably going to end in tears.
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<peterhoeg> My thought was to create it as a separate module and then simply assert config.networking.firewall.enable
<gchristensen> probably a separate module, yeah
<peterhoeg> From a usability point of view, that really ins't very nice though
<fpletz> peterhoeg: that sounds like a good idea, the whole firewall modules needs a backwards-incompatible refactoring to be more flexible… but that is much work :/
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<gchristensen> agreed
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<ndowens> i am starting to think i will never get nix working like i want lol. I followed how to enable firefox branding in config.nix file and that didnt work and i packaged e3editor and running nix-shell -p nox --run "nox-review wip" gives errors but the editor seems to work just fine.
<ndowens> i really like the concept but getting it to work and understand it is a big of a wow lol
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<Sonarpulse> what's the proper way to run a phase in a nix shell
<Sonarpulse> in case it is overwritten?
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<gchristensen> fpletz: how do you feel about this aggressive dropping of kde4?
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<fpletz> gchristensen: you should know that I love dropping old and broken software :>
<fpletz> gchristensen: but I haven't used kde in a very long time
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<gchristensen> :D
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<gchristensen> I thought I could do it, but I don't think I understand it well enough to drop kde properly
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<7JTAAITSQ> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDwwE
<7JTAAITSQ> nixpkgs/master 6b2ea7e Peter Hoeg: diskscan: init at 0.19
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz closed pull request #22691: diskscan: init at 0.19 (master...p/diskscan) https://git.io/vDwa3
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<gchristensen> peterhoeg: is it as hard as I hear to order a pizza delivery in singapore?
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<peterhoeg> gchristensen: that very much depends on how hard you think it is
<erlandsona> Hello :)
<drakonis> hello
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<gchristensen> last I heard, it took a 3-day-in-advance bank transfer payment.
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<erlandsona> Hey drakonis, I need some help with nixos, do you have some time to chat?
<drakonis> um, sure?
<drakonis> but i'm not the specialist
<drakonis> that would be pretty much almost everyone else?
<gchristensen> just ask the channel, erlandsona (but know that it is getting late for just about everyone here :))
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<erlandsona> Haha, that's how I feel! Where is here for everyone?
<peterhoeg> Not sure if we're getting to far off-topic here but considering the national pastime is eating, the competion is fierce.
<erlandsona> I'm in Nashville TN :)
<gchristensen> peterhoeg: oh, fun! as far as I see it, off-topic is fine as long as there are no real questions
<erlandsona> In any case. I posted this issue... https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/22652#issuecomment-279182135
<gchristensen> erlandsona: what's up? I'm in western MA, much of the Nix community is in the EU
<fpletz> gchristensen: hey, it's only 4am here! if the evil daystar hasn't risen yet it isn't yet time for sleeping :)
<gchristensen> / central europe
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<drakonis> i'm in south america
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<drakonis> i wish we called ourselves just south europe :v
<gchristensen> fpletz: haha, I'm the exact opposite :D it is almost 10pm! time for bed!
<gchristensen> erlandsona: looking ...
<peterhoeg> 11am here, so I'll be around
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<ndowens> can someone look at my error? wanting to share my first package i created, seems to run fine, but doing the steps in the request pull and error messages on the nox review wip step
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<gchristensen> erlandsona: I think I have an answer
<fpletz> ndowens: can you paste the last few lines with the error into a gist please?
<gchristensen> but I've never used themes, so I'm trying to research
<ndowens> File "/nix/store/7am4pygv9bmhj2h4rzh6rlwrpvsihl2f-nox-0.0.5/lib/python3.5/site-packages/nox/nixpkgs_repo.py", line 81, in packages
<ndowens> universal_newlines=True)
<ndowens> File "/nix/store/42p7bp41vr94bb8ip0nq0v91fcb8ixmr-python3-3.5.2/lib/python3.5/subprocess.py", line 626, in check_output
<ndowens> **kwargs).stdout
<ndowens> File "/nix/store/42p7bp41vr94bb8ip0nq0v91fcb8ixmr-python3-3.5.2/lib/python3.5/subprocess.py", line 708, in run
<ndowens> output=stdout, stderr=stderr)
<ndowens> subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['nix-env', '-f', '.', '-qaP', '--out-path', '--show-trace']' returned non-zero exit status 1
<ndowens> woops sorry :\
<erlandsona> gchristensen: Really?
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> I barely leave the terminal >.>
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<erlandsona> Hehehe... gchristensen: I wish I could leave the terminal less, alas, I'm a web developer.
<gchristensen> erlandsona: are you using gnome?
<gchristensen> or?
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<drakonis> which DE
<drakonis> gnome, kde, xfce
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<drakonis> swell
<gchristensen> it is ok
<drakonis> oh okay!
<gchristensen> drakonis: where in S.A.?
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<gchristensen> erlandsona: are you using gnome? or kde? or other?
<drakonis> brazil
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<gchristensen> cool
<gchristensen> someone should make a map of all the nixos people
<erlandsona> gchristensen: I'm not using a Desktop Environment. Just the XMonad Window Manager.
<gchristensen> oh!
<erlandsona> gchristensen: agreed.
<erlandsona> I keep having to refresh freenode. Not sure but it seems like it keeps disconnecting on me or my connection is fizzing out?
<drakonis> you're using an webclient
<drakonis> i recommend you to use a desktop client
<drakonis> its much steadier
<drakonis> use weechat or irssi
<drakonis> or hexchat if you want GUI clients
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<gchristensen> :)
<drakonis> <drakonis> you're using an webclient
<drakonis> <drakonis> i recommend you to use a desktop client
<drakonis> <drakonis> its much steadier
<drakonis> <drakonis> use weechat or irssi
<drakonis> <drakonis> or hexchat if you want GUI clients
<erlandsona1> drakonis: Is pidgin any good?
<drakonis> hm, depends
<drakonis> pidgin isn't the best irc client
<drakonis> but it sure as hell does lots of different protocols
<gchristensen> it is good enough
<erlandsona1> Meh cool...
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<erlandsona1> Ha welp that was my freenode goin out again. lol
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rongcuid closed pull request #22581: Fix/stlink update (master...fix/stlink-update) https://git.io/vDukA
<drakonis> it is pidgin's main draw but its interface on irc is a bit weak
<fpletz> gchristensen: libpurple has a history of nasty security vulnerabilities though
<drakonis> but you can be everywhere!
<gchristensen> fpletz: I know ... :)
<gchristensen> fpletz: but if they get pidgin then next time he signs on we tell him otherwise!
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rongcuid reopened pull request #22581: Fix/stlink update (master...fix/stlink-update) https://git.io/vDukA
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<drakonis> erlandsona1, still alive?
<erlandsona1> Wait is pidgin working?
<drakonis> it works, yes
<drakonis> not the most ideal irc client but it does the trick
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<erlandsona1> Okay so what's the message for next time?
<drakonis> hmm
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<drakonis> i don't get it
<gchristensen> hexchat, weechat, Konversation,
<drakonis> lol welp
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<drakonis> oh hi
<drakonis> well sounds like its working
<drakonis> you don't need to reconnect to change nicknames
<drakonis> you can do /nick <nickname>
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<drakonis> i did nixos-rebuild switch --upgrade and its redownloading everything
<erlandsona> drakonis: nix-life
<drakonis> i can't wait for until it starts recompiling nvidia drivers
<drakonis> i'm playing video games right now
<fpletz> gchristensen: very convenient :)
<drakonis> its going to freeze everything
<gchristensen> ;)
<erlandsona> Hey at least it's not recompiling the kernel. I went through a phase where I was recompiling the kernel multiple times a week trying to get Realtime threads setup with Musnix
<drakonis> musnix?
<drakonis> why are those not in the main repo though
<gchristensen> cool, erlandsona!
<gchristensen> real time linux is niche :/
<drakonis> there are so many of those that aren't in the main repo for everyone to enjoy
<drakonis> what are the benefits of real time linux?
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<gchristensen> audio production, I think?
<gchristensen> also industrial control
<erlandsona> gchristensen: You got it. I'm a producer here in Nashville.
<drakonis> can't say i currently comprehend it
<drakonis> how it functions
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<gchristensen> cool! :D
<gchristensen> drakonis: the linux process scheduler is too slow for real time tasks, like safety-critical sensors or something something audio
<gchristensen> (I know more about the industrial control side)
<drakonis> oh i see
<erlandsona> drakonis: You mean nix? gchristensen: Hopefully I can get things all setup here before the end of the year... lol... it's been slow going learning Linux with Nix after only a short time with Arch. LOL Plus XMonad and whatnot.
<gchristensen> :D for sure
<drakonis> a short stint with arch
<drakonis> ha
<drakonis> now i wish nix had the full breadth of packages
<drakonis> even if you can control everything through .nix files
<drakonis> there are times you want to change it through a GUI
<Sonarpulse> do setupHaskellDepends work?
<Sonarpulse> I seem to be linking the wrong cabal?
<gchristensen> fpletz: I'm getting itchy to merge #22677 :D
<erlandsona> gchristensen, I did did you catch my response? Gotta try that again, but the last time I tried it didn't work for some reason?
<gchristensen> oh
<gchristensen> I don't know :( bed time, though
<drakonis> so a non nixos thing i found out that existed the other day
<drakonis> reactos
<erlandsona> For real, I totally understand. Thanks for your time! It was nice chatting with yah.
<erlandsona> gchristensen!
<gchristensen> indeed! stick around :)
<gchristensen> and good luck
<erlandsona> Oh will do. And thanks!
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<erlandsona> drakonis: Wait. like an OS built on Javascript with React?
<erlandsona> Links pleez
<drakonis> no
<drakonis> like
<drakonis> open source windows
<drakonis> it will save us from the scourge that is modern windows
<drakonis> and the slew of poor microsoft decisions regarding windows in the recent days
<drakonis> in the last couple years
<erlandsona> :-( Interesting? Why would / should we care though if we've got Nix? :p
<drakonis> because wine isn't perfect
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<drakonis> woah damn
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<drakonis> ericbmerritt_, as i was saying
<drakonis> woops
<drakonis> thanks autocomplete
<drakonis> erlandsona, as i was saying, wine isn't perfect, so reactos will fill in some of the gaps eventually
<drakonis> and enable very old windows and dos software to run properly
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<erlandsona> drakonis: That makes sense.
<erlandsona> :)
<drakonis> plus you can play those really cool games from your childhood
<erlandsona> So drakonis do you have any ideas about cursor themes? Rather any idea how to create the equivalent of /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme but in I guess it would be /run/current-system/sw/share/icons/default/index.theme, right? How would you do that?
<erlandsona> Minesweeper!
<erlandsona> And Solitaire?
<drakonis> have you looked at existing derivations?
<drakonis> well it already does both of them :v
<erlandsona> Yeah but they're all fetching an actual cursor theme from a repo? I tried emptying out some of the values but I also don't know really much about making derivations?
<erlandsona> I've read through Nix Pills like 1-12 but it's all still a little fuzzy...
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<erlandsona> Yeah I guess that's the issue, is not installing the cursor theme but just setting a default one? Also XDG_DATA_DIR's is mentioned a lot, but I'm not sure what that is either?
<drakonis> they pull in themes that contain cursors
<drakonis> nix just symlinks them into the proper places from what i know
<drakonis> oh shit
<drakonis> i know something i can play on reactos
<drakonis> id's smb3 demo
<erlandsona> Yes, but installing them doesn't activate them. Currently, as far as I know, they have to be "activated" on a per user basis with lxdappearance or similar. Desktop Environments have "magic" to make it all happen which is what I mentioned is hard to know what's relevant or not?
<drakonis> there is no "magic" only coding
<drakonis> they all pull from the same place
<drakonis> all cursors and icon themes come from the same place
<drakonis> unless its gtk and qt
<drakonis> which have separate folders
<erlandsona> And when they're installed at the system level as a user you have to symlink from /run/current-system/sw/share/icons/WhateverTheme -> ~/.icons/ for it to get recognized by lxappearance.
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<erlandsona> I know it's not magic, that's just my inner demons telling me it's too complicated. I'll learn with time.
<drakonis> does it have to be lxappearance though?
<drakonis> there are other tools to handle customization
<erlandsona> I don't know? That just seems to be the only configuration program related to handling themes and cursors? Any and all suggestions are welcome!
<erlandsona> seemed... past tense, like at the time since I've been flying by the seed of my pants. LOL
<drakonis> "XAppearance, provided by the lxappearance package, is a graphical tool that can determine a number of aspects of the user interface including the cursor theme. Settings configured using LXAppearance are written to ~/.gtkrc-2.0, ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini, and ~/.icons/default/index.theme. See also Cursor themes. "
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<erlandsona> Thanks for the link, that's most of what I've been using. But the issue is like it says in the article, if you want to configure Cursor Themes globally you'd put an index.theme file under /usr/share/icons/default/
<drakonis> but why globally?
<erlandsona> /usr/share isn't a thing in Nix? So replace it with /run/current-system/sw/share/icons but it's a read only directory so I can't put an index.theme there, but that wouldn't make sense either since isn't /run/current-system/sw/ just like a symlink to the current.
<erlandsona> drakonis: RE: Why Globally? So the cursor theme is consistent across the OS regardless of whether I'm at the Login Manager, Logged In or whatever. I just want the XServer's default to look nicer than the current default hicolor which has this weird sideways hand icon that I for the life of me can never click on anything with. :-D
<drakonis> you can change that on xserver itself
<drakonis> the same page mentions how
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<erlandsona> drakonis: You mean with .XResources? Or are you referencing the xsetroot -cursor left_ptr thing, cause that doesn't affect the cursor theme (eg: Breeze, Paper, DMZ, etc...)
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<drakonis> yeah xresources
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<drakonis> by the way
<drakonis> when is wayland becoming default
<erlandsona> XResources is a per user config isn't it? Rather would it work globally if I put one under the /root directory? I don't think so :/?
<drakonis> how often do you use the root user
<erlandsona> drakonis: I'm still learning what X11 is! LOL. I've heard Wayland is way better but that it's development / testing has been super slow? Or doesn't Ubuntu use it?
<drakonis> fedora uses it by default
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<drakonis> through gnome
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<erlandsona> Well I sudo a lot? But honestly I don't even know what root is there for other than sudo?
<drakonis> huh.
<drakonis> root is there for a master control sort of situation
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<drakonis> root owns everything
<drakonis> its not the best explanation
<erlandsona> Yeah I mean I guess if I was running a network of machines, but what do I need it for on a personal laptop?
<erlandsona> Other than when programs need sudo?
<pikajude> does nixos even support wayland yet?
<erlandsona> pikajude: I thought I saw someone with it setup on a forum somewhere or something. Maybe it's just late?
<pikajude> who knows
<pikajude> I use xmonad so I'm boned
<erlandsona> pikajude: Hey me too! Are you using it with Nix?
<pikajude> we are in #nixos after all
<erlandsona> Yay! Do you have a mouse cursor theme installed / working?
<erlandsona> I really hate hicolor. Like with a passion.
<pikajude> nope
<pikajude> never found a way to customize the cursor at all
<pikajude> not globally anyway
<erlandsona> :'( drakonis! I'm not the only one!
<erlandsona> pikajude: I'm on a mission.
<pikajude> good luck
<erlandsona> Trying to figure out the equivalent of /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme but for Nixos.
<pikajude> you could put it in ~/.icons instead
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<pikajude> or, /run/current-system/sw/share/icons
<erlandsona> It's somewhere between /run/current-system/sw/share/icons/ (but that's read only) and writing my own derivation apparently that can write to $out/share/icons or something but I don't know how to write derivations yet so... been aimlessy wandering through whatever tutorials I can
<pikajude> oh ok
<pikajude> which theme do you want
<erlandsona> Yeah for now I've got lxappearance installed and I've symlinked the relevant themes to ~/.icons but it feels wrong and it doesn't work with lightdm.
<pikajude> oh yeah it wouldn't
<erlandsona> Well yeah.
<erlandsona> My favorite theme, which I installed on Arch was Breeze-Ghost which I got here... https://kver.wordpress.com/2015/01/09/curses-i-mean-cursors/
<drakonis> oh curses
<erlandsona> I don't think it works anymore though so just regular Breeze is fine I suppose for now?
<erlandsona> drakonis: What's up?
<drakonis> the title :v
<erlandsona> Right? The struggle is real.
<drakonis> i almost thought it was going to also be about ncurses
<erlandsona> Breeze-Hacked I meant.
<erlandsona> Or Yellow or Purple are cool too but I think visibility-wise Obsidian is what I ended up actually using.
<erlandsona> pikajude: you can check out my gh issue if it tickles your fancy? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/22652#issuecomment-279193551
<erlandsona> drakonis: What's the deal with ncurses? Everything I use that's ncurses is like an 80's terminal trying to be a gui but not... It's kinda cool?
<drakonis> it is pretty cool, yeah
<drakonis> folks do some fairly cool things with curses interfaces
<drakonis> its also easier to design curses interfaces than using qt or gtk
<drakonis> you don't have to deal with the issues associated with both
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<drakonis> https://github.com/jquast/x84 check this shit out
<drakonis> a python bbs
<pikajude> erlandsona: will do
<drakonis> i enjoy this aspect of linux
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<drakonis> terminal never died on linux
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<drakonis> windows has killed it almost entirely and mac avoids it like the devil
<drakonis> unless you're a developer or hobbyist on a mac
<drakonis> https://asciinema.org/ and this if you haven't seen it yet
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<justanotheruser> I have "Error while loading shared libraries: libusb-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" - I have libusb1 and libusb installed. what do I do?
<erlandsona> drakonis: asciinema looks tight! And amen RE: terminal.
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<pikajude> justanotheruser: what are you getting that error from
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<justanotheruser> platformio
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<justanotheruser> pikajude: you can configure platformio with lib_extra_dirs, I'm wondering how I define that using nixos though (if it even would help)
<justanotheruser> specifically 'platformio run --target upload'
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<dtzWill> omg yes running Nix on WSL is possibly the most amazing thing
<drakonis> noice
<drakonis> but does wsl symlink properly
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<c74d> WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux? that works now?
<dtzWill> honestly? no clue. But non-trivial things are working, things I never would have hoped would work haha
<dtzWill> using fast-track windows insider build, yes! at least for basic things
<drakonis> oh yeah
<drakonis> they actually added proper symlinking in the current insider builds
<dtzWill> IIRC there's an issue about nix-shell on WSL
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<dtzWill> well insider build fixed the ELF interpreter bit we broke is all I know, dunno about symlinks :) I mean they sure seem to work... :)
<dtzWill> but having my linux apps magically install and run on windows is pretty amazing haha
<drakonis> they improved symlinking very recently
<drakonis> Starting with Windows 10 Insiders build 14972, symlinks can be created without needing to elevate the console as administrator. This will allow developers, tools and projects, that previously struggled to work effectively on Windows due to symlink issues, to behave just as efficiently and reliably as they do on Linux or OSX.
<drakonis> this is relevant
<drakonis> without that, nix wouldn't have functioned properly
<pikajude> does windows not have symlinks
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<simpson> Nope.
<pikajude> makes sense
<drakonis> not as well it does not
<drakonis> now
<drakonis> it had them since vista but you needed a tool to handle that
<drakonis> lots of tools
<drakonis> i remember trying to use it years ago
<drakonis> i had to download something off the internet
<drakonis> it still worked like dogshit
<drakonis> it was pretty much the clunkiest thing to use
<pikajude> i'm pretty sure microsoft discovered the concept of UX testing right before the release of win10
<pikajude> so i'm not surprised
<drakonis> they're still doing some things that will push users away from them
<drakonis> see windows 10 cloud
<drakonis> a locked down version of windows that runs only store apps
<pikajude> that's a genius idea
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<drakonis> gotta pay to get access to the real windows 10
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<pikajude> why would i want access to that
<drakonis> i mean
<drakonis> the rest of the windows applications
<drakonis> the things outside of the windows store
<drakonis> which is pretty much just trash
<drakonis> the store that is
<drakonis> you don't get to use win32 apps
<drakonis> which is the bulk of things available
<pikajude> is the windows store just a worse version of other app stores
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<drakonis> it is
<drakonis> a extremely worse version of other app stores
<drakonis> zero curation
<drakonis> you can get a virus off that
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<pikajude> developed later in time, by people who presumably took inspiration from the way similar services were implemented
<pikajude> but worse
<pikajude> heh
<drakonis> its gfwl except worse
<drakonis> and gfwl was an exercise in terrible
<drakonis> its pretty much UWP apps only
<drakonis> the whole thing seems to have been built to be a cheap low cost laptop OS to compete against chromebooks
<dtzWill> ah indeed, ty for the info drakonis :)
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<drakonis> its rt rides again
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<drakonis> alright now
<drakonis> i think i'll get some sleep
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<justanotheruser> when I run 'platformio run --target upload' I have "Error while loading shared libraries: libusb-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" - I have libusb1 and libusb installed. what do I do?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #22692: test-driver: remove old statedir (master...test-driver-remove-old-statedir) https://git.io/vDwiT
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vrthra opened pull request #22693: cairocffi: 0.7.2 -> 0.8.0 (master...cairocffi) https://git.io/vDwii
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<pikajude> hmm
<pikajude> ok
<pikajude> for me, emacs segfaults if i try to open a file using the file menu
<pikajude> can anyone replicate
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] changlinli opened pull request #22694: bfg-repo-cleaner: init at 1.12.15 (master...bfg) https://git.io/vDwip
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<peterhoeg> justanotheruser: platformio doesn't know about libusb
<peterhoeg> you need to play around with pkgs/development/arduino/platformio/* to add libusb
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<peterhoeg> pikajude: I just tried - no problems here. I normally do not have/use a menu bar in emacs so I cannot tell you if this was a fluke
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<pikajude> :(
<pikajude> peterhoeg: i just clicked file -> visit new file
<pikajude> and that works for you?
<pikajude> ooh, wait
<pikajude> (emacs:21865): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: No GSettings schemas are installed on the system
<pikajude> that's bad right
<pikajude> how do I fix it
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<peterhoeg> the glib error is not necessarily bad
<peterhoeg> But yes, 'visit new file' works
<peterhoeg> What if you use C-x C-f to open a file. Any difference?
<peterhoeg> FYI I'm on emacs 25.1
<pikajude> that works fine
<pikajude> well, i did google it and other people have hit trace traps after seeing that same error
<pikajude> so maybe it's related
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] benley pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vDwPS
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master f6dd263 Changlin Li: bfg-repo-cleaner: init at 1.12.15
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 0688fdf Benjamin Staffin: Merge pull request #22694 from changlinli/bfg...
<benley> pikajude: if you figure out how to figure out the "no gsettings schemas are installed" thing I'd love to hear about it; I am trying to figure out some similar errors in other apps
<benley> (while running KDE, and trying to get various GTK apps to behave nicely)
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<rsynnest> has anyone gotten the following on running nix-env -u "GC Warning: Header allocation failed: Dropping block."
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<rsynnest> seems like system is running out of memory? I'm using the Nix demo VM with 1.5 GB RAM and only have nix, nix-repl, and man installed to user profile
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<rsynnest> adding a swapfile fixed the error
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<rsynnest> might be a good idea to add that to the default VM image
<rsynnest> manual recommends 768MB RAM, I had double that and still had problems without a swapfile
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/python-wip 8fe042b Aneesh Agrawal: cryptography: 1.5.3 -> 1.7.2...
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/python3 60cc542 Frederik Rietdijk: Python: change default version: python = python3;
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 0e0038f Vladimír Čunát: host: patch up after glibc update...
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<prz> hi everyone. i am trying to install a vagrant plugin on nixos but i get a "mkdir:read only filesystem" error since is trying to install on /nix/store ... is there a workaround for this ?
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<hendrik[m]> here is my first approach replacing a vagrant dev environment entirely with nix/nixops: https://github.com/hschaeidt/cbase
<prz> @hendrik[m] I am actually trying to build someone else project, so i can't really change that much ...
<FRidh> domenkozar: a python package is blocking 16.09 channel update. Could you have a look at this, maybe you have an idea. https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/22697
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<hendrik[m]> prz: sorry i have no experience with vagrant on nixos, as i'm working on darwin
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<hendrik[m]> but looks like the plugin has to be packaged for nix
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 81f2bde Rob Vermaas: Make azure-mgmt-resource work with requests 2.11.x. We should update the azure python packages, however, that is a much bigger effort. This is needed to make sure nixops keeps working with Azure.
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master c07f158 Rob Vermaas: Make azure-mgmt-resource work with requests 2.11.x. We should update the azure python packages, however, that is a much bigger effort. This is needed to make sure nixops keeps working with Azure....
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master a74d159 Rob Vermaas: Make azure-mgmt-... work with requests 2.11.x. We should update the azure python packages, however, that is a much bigger effort. This is needed to make sure nixops keeps working with Azure....
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master bee23d7 Frederik Rietdijk: pythonPackages.argparse: only for Python < 2.7
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<viric> Is there anyone which likes a fs which is not zfs, btrfs or ext4?
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<ablubla_> hey, I want to build bitlbee with libpurple with an override in my config.nix. I successfully added the build flag but I have no idea how to add libpurple-dev as a build dependency. How can I do that?
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<Mateon1> viric: Depends on the exact question. I like ZFS and btrfs, but I also like Tahoe-lafs (which is kinda an FS), and IPFS which is a protocol, not an fs, but has "filesystem" in the name.
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<viric> Mateon1: really? Deployment of tahoe-lafs is a hell
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh opened pull request #22698: KDE: update frameworks and applications (master...kde) https://git.io/vDw9W
<viric> Mateon1: do you use ipfs from nixpkgs?
<Mateon1> I like the idea a lot
<Mateon1> And no, I don't use IPFS from nixpkgs, I am a contibutor so I use master
<viric> Mateon1: ok great
<viric> tahoe-lafs makes sense with a big grid of storage machines (> 3)
<viric> which I don't have
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<viric> tahoe-lafs is too complicated
<viric> to deploy/use
<Mateon1> I mean, I didn't actually deploy a tahoe cluster, but I did use one. I really like the idea behind it
<Mateon1> I'd like to learn some more about it
<viric> too complicated for anyone to use it
<viric> (by use I mean also deploy)
<viric> so, to get broadly adopted
<viric> I like automated redundancy a lot too, but I want it easier
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* peti thought that deplyoing tahoe-lafs was okay. But it was slow, i.e. totally infeasible to copy a non-trivial number of files to.
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master af9857e Vincent Laporte: proj: disable tests on 32 bit
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<Isorkin> Hi. How to add flash plugin to vivaldi? nixpkgs.config.vivaldi.enableAdobeFlash = true; nixpkgs.config.chromium.enableAdobeFlash = true; - not work
<MichaelRaskin> viric: maybe you want GlusterFS then
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<clever> viric: i also have experience with iscsi, which is more of a network block device you can then put any FS on
<viric> MichaelRaskin: I thought of that but I have yet to understand it
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: but I have more a mess of offline disks than a mess of network available disks
<viric> peti: no wonder.
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<peterhoeg> fridh: any chance to get plasma 5.9 next to 5.8 lts that will go into 17.03?
<FRidh> peterhoeg: you better ask ttuegel. Yesterday he told me:
<FRidh> ttuegel
<FRidh> FRidh: I want to stay on LTS Plasma and Qt for the 17.03 release. I tried Plasma 5.9, but it didn't work. I think it may have an undisclosed dependency on Qt 5.7 at runtime.
<MichaelRaskin> viric: then I guess you need to index all your disks and put that index into a database
<viric> MichaelRaskin: I use git-annex for that
<FRidh> Could someone cancel http://hydra.nixos.org/eval/1331547 I think I accidentally pushed a mass-rebuild to master
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDwHr
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 543721d Frederik Rietdijk: Revert "pythonPackages.argparse: only for Python < 2.7"...
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/vDwHP
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging 12d9eac Frederik Rietdijk: pythonPackages.argparse: only for Python < 2.7
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 5b1a1b0 Franz Pletz: pythonPackages.afew: 2016-02-29 -> 2017-02-08...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] gilligan opened pull request #22700: flow: 0.37.4 -> 0.39.0 (master...update-flow) https://git.io/vDwQ0
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 4adca5b Frederik Rietdijk: Revert "pythonPackages.argparse: only for Python < 2.7"...
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 a99e73c Vladimír Čunát: Revert "glibc: security 2.24 -> 2.25"...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-16.09 019dcc3 Vladimír Čunát: Revert "host: patch up after glibc update"...
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master a7ca114 Christoph Hrdinka: libretro: add mGBA core...
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] hrdinka closed pull request #22618: libretro: add mGBA core (master...add/libretro-mgba) https://git.io/vD2zk
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master ffefd83 Vladimír Čunát: xorg xf86-video-*: bump drivers that seem unused...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master e970b8e Vladimír Čunát: xorg xf86-input-evdev: 2.10.3 -> 2.10.5
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<gchristensen> good morning, #nixos
<taeradan> hi
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<taeradan> I was wondering, is there a way to choose between 2 alternative configurations at boot time ? for example between a realtime and a standard kernel
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<zimbatm_> morning gchristensen
<taeradan> the only way that I see is to apply a new configuration with the alternative settings and to keep the previous, but it is hard to maintain when updating NixOS
<LnL> morning :)
<zimbatm_> taeradan: are you using grub2 for the bootloader?
<zimbatm_> morning LnL :)
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<zimbatm_> taeradan: try passing `--profile-name something` to nixos-rebuild
<taeradan> zimbatm_: I have grub and gummiboot on my machines
<zimbatm_> look at the man for `nixos-rebuild`, it says you can designate multiple profiles but it only works with grub2
<taeradan> badly said... I have gummiboot on a recent machine with UEFI, and grub on the others
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<LnL> does anybody know where the configuration.nix manpage comes from?
<MichaelRaskin> taeradan: nesting.children ?
<MichaelRaskin> And nesting.clone
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<taeradan> I have never heard about "nesting" option before, what is it ?
<MichaelRaskin> LnL: nixos/doc/manual?
<MichaelRaskin> A list of alternative configuratoins to build and offer at boot time
<MichaelRaskin> Understanding that you actually want it takes some thinking (and usage is quite straightforward), so it doesn't get talked much about
<taeradan> exactly what I want, great !
<MichaelRaskin> Note that it has suboptimal interaction with rollbacks
<MichaelRaskin> I.e. you can easily rollback to the main instance of a previous configuration, you cannot rollback to a child directly
<clever> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 93 Dec 31 1969 /run/current-system/sw/share/man/man5/configuration.nix.5 -> /nix/store/fjw397m1c5hw87q09pi7ka7msszqjcgp-nixos-manpages/share/man/man5/configuration.nix.5
<clever> LnL: it is part of a derivation called nixos-manpages
<clever> nixos/doc/manual/default.nix: manpages = runCommand "nixos-manpages"
<clever> LnL: ah, at the path MichaelRaskin gave previously
<LnL> yeah, but that's a module
<clever> LnL: i think the xsltproc on line 239-246 is what generates it
<clever> --param man.output.base.dir "'$out/share/man/'" \
<clever> LnL: this line references the path where the man page winds up
<clever> LnL: and line 230 (via 67) gets a copy of options-db.xml, which i believe comes from around 36-ish
* peti thinks it's kinda hilarious that https://www.stackage.org/lts-8.0 does not contain stack. :-)
<taktoa> heh
<LnL> clever: if I callPackage it with some extra values it complains about config.meta https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/nixos/doc/manual/default.nix#L58
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<clever> LnL: it has to be loaded via nixos/default.nix, so it can access the options defined by every module in nixos
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<clever> LnL: one second
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<LnL> yeah but that only returns the system and config I don't think you can access it unless it's exposed in config.system.build or something like that
<clever> LnL: i was expecting something more pretty...
<clever> [root@amd-nixos:~]# nix-build '<nixpkgs/nixos>' -A config.system.build.manual.manpages
<LnL> clever: ah system.build.manual
<clever> /nix/store/fjw397m1c5hw87q09pi7ka7msszqjcgp-nixos-manpages
<clever> LnL: found it
<clever> yep
<LnL> that should probably be a bit easier :)
<clever> a lot of "nixos only" packages are hidden in modules like that, because your not supposed to install them outside of nixos
<clever> and since they are auto-installed, nobody made them easy to find
<clever> nixos-install and nixos-rebuild are other examples
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<MichaelRaskin> And then takeovers of NixOS on top of something require you to access some of them
<zimbatm_> anyone knows what eelco's nick on IRC is?
<clever> zimbatm_: niksnut
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc closed pull request #22677: Drop kdm and kde4 modules (master...drop-kdm-kde4-modules) https://git.io/vDwYU
<gchristensen> (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
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<LnL> gchristensen: nice job
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<avn> Folks, anyone can take look on https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/22489 ?
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9e04b57 Tuomas Tynkkynen: nixos top-level: Add 'dtbs' symlink when kernel uses device trees...
<zimbatm_> thanks clever
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 824d82f Bjørn Forsman: nixos/geoip-updater: new service...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] bjornfor closed pull request #16027: nixos/geoip-updater: new service (master...geoip-service) https://git.io/voTX2
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] LnL7 opened pull request #22702: service-runner: try to setuid when started as root (master...service-runner-setuid) https://git.io/vDwj2
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] regnat closed pull request #15904: ocamlPackages.ppx_tools : discriminate on compiler version (master...ppx_tools) https://git.io/vrATE
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vDrer
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 8e19dc5 Franz Pletz: pythonPackages.slixmpp: 1.2.1 -> 1.2.4.post1
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master cf47755 Franz Pletz: poezio: 0.10 -> 0.11
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<gchristensen> this pam / oath issue is horrendous
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<Isorkin> How to add flash plugin to vivaldi? please help
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] georgewhewell opened pull request #22703: kubernetes module: fix systemd.services.kube-proxy to use correct extraOpts (master...bugfix/kube-proxy-service-config) https://git.io/vDrvO
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<peterhoeg> isorkin: vivaldi in nixpkgs doesn't support flash the same way that chrome and firefox do.
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<peterhoeg> So you cannot just set a configuration option to make it work.
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<Isorkin> nixos-option services.xserver.xkbOptions - how you look at all the options?
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<sziszi> Isorkin, I'm looking it up on the website
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<gchristensen> or man configuration.ni
<gchristensen> or man configuration.nix
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<zimbatm_> peti: are you around?
<zimbatm_> i'm workin on the import-from-derivation
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<zimbatm_> `nix-env -i` has a --prebuild-only flag, wouldn't that solve the problem basically?
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<zimbatm_> it just needs to be ported to the `nix-env -q` flag
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] ndowens opened pull request #22704: Added worker to nixpkgs (master...master) https://git.io/vDrJZ
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<gchristensen> w00t stable passed
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<philipp[m]> Are the maintainers of taskserver here?
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<gchristensen> I don't see matthiasbeyer around too too often, but makefu is around periodically
<lassulus> matthiasbayer is musicmatze
<gchristensen> oh no way
<gchristensen> neat
<gchristensen> pam is an incredibly powerful tool. maybe too powerful >.>
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<musicmatze[m]> gchristensen: philipp Hi there!
<philipp[m]> musicmatze: Hi!
<musicmatze[m]> :-)
<philipp[m]> Why are you including the config generated by nixos with an include statement in the config file and don't just link it?
<philipp[m]> Right now a config change doesn't affect an initialized taskserver.
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<musicmatze> IRC <-> matrix bridge doesn't update the IRC side right now I guess :-/
<musicmatze[m]> Hmh... aszlig_ wrote that part :-/ I'm not sure whether there's a technical reason for this...
<musicmatze[m]> actually I just started the initiative to provide a nixos service for taskserver, but aszlig implemented it because I couldn't manage to get it working... So I'm only maintaining the packages, not the service.
<musicmatze[m]> But from what I understand, there's not technical reason why it couldn't be done with linking (but I might be very wrong with that assumption)
<musicmatze> 1,5k stars on github btw! :-)
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<musicmatze[m]> Yep, feel free to open an issue on this. Also, ping @aszlig and feel free to ping me (@matthiasbeyer) as well.
<philipp[m]> I'll open issue. The way it is right now, I don't see a reason, why nix wouldn't garbage collect an old config, leaving taskserver broken.
<philipp[m]> Also the config doesn't get updates after a switch, which is also not good.
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<philipp[m]> Otherwise I must say that taskserver is pretty nicely integrated kudos to aszlig.
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<makefu> philipp[m]: wow the current taskserver implementation looks very sophisticated. i implemented my own service about a year ago which is very limited compared to the original service ( http://cgit.euer.krebsco.de/stockholm/commit/?id=6f4bc ). as musicmatze[m] said @azlig is the maintainer of the service
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<chris|> I am trying to figure out how the acme option on the nginx vhost is supposed to work. It seems that when setting useSSL to true, the acme secrets are also served via https which seems to be unsupported by letsencrypt (at least with the preliminary untrusted certificate). Can someone confirm this or give me some pointers on how this should work?
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<Isorkin> torrent client tixati does not work nixos?
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<simpson> chris|: I have `forceSSL = true; enableACME = true;` and it appears to work. I don't know about useSSL.
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<chris|> simpson: yeah, it seems that forceSSL generates a port 80 entry for acme while useSSL does not which makes it unusable with acme
<fpletz> chris|: sounds like a bug. if you use enableSSL (not useSSL) no http server (port 80) is created so nginx won't listen to port 80
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<fpletz> chris|: but you probably want forceSSL anyway, right? :)
<avn> Isorkin: is closed-source, so you need patch binary manually. (I curious, whhat in this sw better than in rtorrent/transmission/.... any other open torrent, but it unrelated)
<Isorkin> ok
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<ikwildrpepper> peterhoeg: what's your github name?
<ikwildrpepper> same name?
<chris|> fpletz: actually, I was not using it because I thought that would surely break acme ... ;)
<chris|> but yeah, I obviously want that
<fpletz> hmm, never thought of that, but yeah, it does sound like that :/
<fpletz> I was one of the people who built that module so I'm very interested what people think about it
<fpletz> chris|: do you want to open and issue regarding the enableSSL + acme bug?
<simpson> I think it's super-important to keep plaintext HTTP alive, but I also think that socat fills the role of TLS tunnel very well.
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<fpletz> simpson: imho plaintext connections are deprecated and I'm eagerly waiting for the day I can drop all outgoing packets to port 80 without exceptions
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<simpson> fpletz: Meh. I don't think that our CA infrastructure is high-Quality enough to be something that we should unilaterally trust.
<fpletz> simpson: totally
<simpson> But I agree that plaintext port 80 is needed less and less often.
<fpletz> unencrypted connections aren't the solution either, everyone along the way can peek into and modify the content
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<fpletz> we have to at least try to make it as hard as possible for the NSA :)
<fpletz> but yeah, it can also induce a false sense of security
<simpson> There's plenty of non-CA TLS tooling too. e.g. Tahoe-LAFS introducer keys carry a TLS fingerprint to avoid the TOFU problem.
<MichaelRaskin> Making stuff hard is probably achieved by embedding all small text content into random photos steganographically
<MichaelRaskin> Just to make it more expensive to store
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<MichaelRaskin> Now I cannot stop imagining using modem protocols over VoIP…
<clever> MichaelRaskin: there was an exploit against a CA recently, because a domain registrar only showed user emails in image form
<clever> MichaelRaskin: so the CA had to OCR the images, and it could turn l's into 1's, causing it to email somebody at the wrong domain when doing domain ownership verification
<MichaelRaskin> Yes, I have seen it
<MichaelRaskin> I meant steganogrpahic embedding via modifying the colours on an unrelated photo
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<chris|> fpletz: sure, after I figured out what else is wrong with my config
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] ndowens closed pull request #22704: Added worker to nixpkgs (master...master) https://git.io/vDrJZ
<chris|> it seems like the Host header is not properly set via the proxy_set_header config...
<ekleog> anyone here tried installing the android sdk via sdkmanager under nixos? (the distribution packages are supposedly never up-to-date enough, acc. to the copperheados documentation, and I have no idea how they are engineered)
<mbrgm> can someone tell me how to specify a different theme/icon theme when using nix gtk applications on non-nixos os's?
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<pierron> ekleog: I don't know about the installer, but otherwise the android sdk is packages in Nixpkgs, as far as I recall
<avn> ekleog: so possible updating hashes to last revision be simpler solution
<ekleog> hmm, will try this, thanks! (unfortunately copperheados docs don't state explicitly which versions are required…)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] ndowens opened pull request #22707: worker: init at 3.8.5 (master...master) https://git.io/vDrOv
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] jgeerds pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDrOJ
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master a8d7a6a Karn Kallio: xwayland : fix build by giving wayland-protocols to the build.
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<justanotheruser> is there a way to install one package only from the unstable branch?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDrO1
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 2dba30a Vladimír Čunát: Merge recent staging...
<MichaelRaskin> Yes
<MichaelRaskin> Different ways for configuration.nix and for nix-env
<MichaelRaskin> nix-env has -f that can be pointed to a checkout
<MichaelRaskin> In configuration.nix you can just import an alternative checkout and take a package from there and refer to it
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<dtz> so I have nixUnstable in my profile, apparently I've managed to bump my system schema to 10 -- and so my system Nix is unhappy and claims it only supports 7. In order to not bork things further, I'm trying to understand how this happened and of course suggestions on resolving it :).
<dtz> first it's my understanding using nixUnstable in profile shouldn't change the schema, so I guess I did something unusual to cause this?
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] mguentner opened pull request #22708: ipfs: 0.4.4 -> 0.4.5 (master...ipfs_0_4_5) https://git.io/vDrOA
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<dtz> Anyway seems natural thing is to install the newer Nix globally-- that, or try to rollback somehow but that sounds error-prone and depending on the changes not necessarily straightforward to do non-destructively.
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<justanotheruser> MichaelRaskin: do you have an example
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<philipp[m]> vcunat: Thanks for fixing that llvm/gtk issue.
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<Heffalump> justanotheruser: I'm not sure of the canonical way, but I've been importing the output of fetchgit on some other version of nixpkgs to do this - it has some downsides like a huge tree that nix is a bit slow on
<justanotheruser> is your name a pooh reference?
<Heffalump> yes
<dtz> and woozles! are very! confoozles!
<dtz> best line ever: beware! beware! be a very wary bear!
<dtz> haha
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] AndersonTorres created openshot from master (+0 new commits): https://git.io/vDrsa
<dtz> hey so re:schemas and such-- would a dump-db/load-db roundtrip help?
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] AndersonTorres deleted openshot at 2dba30a: https://git.io/vDrsi
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] AndersonTorres opened pull request #22710: openshot-qt: 2.1.0 -> 2.2.0 (master...openshot) https://git.io/vDrsy
<dtz> but dunno if the dump is schema-sensitive or not
<justanotheruser> hmm, I might try that
<Heffalump> justanotheruser: I've just been playing around with this kind of thing for a couple of weeks, and I'm not a nix expert at all, so there may well be a better way (which I'd like to know if so)
<Heffalump> one downside I've seen is that fetchgit is quite slow at cloning the git repo (only the first time, as after that the tree is in the store): I heard about 'fetchgitlocal' today so want to try that.
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] ndowens closed pull request #22707: worker: init at 3.8.5 (master...master) https://git.io/vDrOv
<Heffalump> btw you need to set your NIX_PATH appropriately so that nixpkgs/general points to a nixpkgs git tree and nixpkgs/bootstrap points to any nixpkgs
<Heffalump> I have local copies in /home/ganesh/nixpkgs/[general,bootstrap] and I use -I nixpkgs=/home/ganesh/nixpkgs to achieve that
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<dtz> well FWIW it seems careful invocation of nix, stopping nix-daemon, and a nix-store --dump-db/--load-db roundtrip seems to have resolved the issue, here's hoping O:)
<dtz> and removing nixUnstable from my profile xD
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] ndowens opened pull request #22711: worker: init at 3.8.5 (master...master) https://git.io/vDrZ4
<dtz> still, am I wrong for thinking that my local Nix shouldn't be really touching the nix store other than through the system daemon? :/
<ndowens08> i am terriable at git lol, had to close 2 previous pull request b/c i dont know git in order to clean up commits
<ndowens08> terrible or w/e
<LnL> dtz: root doesn't use the daemon
<Isorkin> to work audio need hardware.pulseaudio.enable = true; hardware.pulseaudio.package = pkgs.pulseaudioFull; ? not work
<alphor> uh, is "nixos-option networking.interfaces" supposed to just return "Value: "? I know networking.interfaces.eno1 is defined.
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<justanotheruser> that looks ominous
<justanotheruser> omenous
<alphor> ominous is the right spelling :)
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<justanotheruser> interesting
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<ndowens08> ok why wont nix-shell -p nox --run "nox-review wip" run i get : No uncommit changes. Did you mean to use the "--against" option?
<dtz> LnL: ah, so if I invoked my new Nix as root (somehow) that would cause the schema upgrade then? okay that's probably what I did, now to sort out how I managed xD
<dtz> thanks :)
<dtz> ndowens08: do you have uncommitted changes?
<dtz> ndowens08: if you're trying to test a PR, despite the github template text it's easier to just use nox's "pr" option instead IMO
<dtz> nix-shell -p nox --run "nox-review pr 12345"
<ndowens08> hmm pr being like build request number?
<dtz> or if they're committed, you need to tell nox what git-ref to compare your tree against when determining what needs to be tested/built
<dtz> pr being the Pull Request number :)
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<dtz> so it only helps if you're trying to test a pull request against Nixpkgs master
<dtz> otherwise use the '--against' option as it suggests
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] richardlarocque opened pull request #22712: garmin-uploader: init at version 1.0.1 (master...garmin) https://git.io/vDrnu
<dtz> (I pretty much never want to have test results for uncommitted code, would rather commit them so it's easy to associate the test results with the exact code that was tested)
<ndowens08> See i messed up 2 pull requests and ended up closing them so with 3rd request well it failed all 3 checks for some reason
<dtz> anyway if anyone has schema problems, the dump/load seems to work and I outline how I resolved it here: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/995
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<ndowens08> weird, seems the error is at a callPackage that i am not even authoring dtz
<ndowens08> anonymous function at /home/ndowens/.nox/nixpkgs/pkgs/applications/networking/cluster/spark/default.nix while the package i am trying to share is called working, in which unrelated to mine nor di di add that spark to the allpackages.nix
<ndowens08> s/working/worker
<justanotheruser> how do I find out which nix-store is my current?
<justanotheruser> /nix/store/
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<ndowens08> dtz: so how do i fix that, i mean that spark package isnt my file i am trying to add so i didnt add that to my allpackages.nix file
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] richardlarocque opened pull request #22713: antfs-cli and openant: init at git-2017-02-11 (master...antfs-cli) https://git.io/vDrcm
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDrcG
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 31eba21 Vladimír Čunát: virtualbox: force xorg-server-1.18 for now...
<ndowens08> nvm fixed it
<dtzWill> ndowens08: hooray! :) sorry was doing some IRL things.
<MichaelRaskin> justanotheruser: for which of the two cases?
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<justanotheruser> huh?
<MichaelRaskin> You asked about example
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<MichaelRaskin> Which of thwo cases you meant?
<MichaelRaskin> (import /path/to/checkout {}).gnuplot ?
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rycee opened pull request #22714: subtitle-editor: fix build (master...fix/subtitle-editor) https://git.io/vDrCk
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rycee pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDrCc
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 06bacb1 Markus Hauck: scalafmt: 0.4.10 -> 0.5.6
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rycee closed pull request #22706: scalafmt: 0.4.10 -> 0.5.6 (master...scalafmt-056) https://git.io/vDrto
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] ndowens closed pull request #22711: worker: init at 3.8.5 (master...master) https://git.io/vDrZ4
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<justanotheruser> oh, of you installing from unstable branch, but you gave me ti
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] phi-gamma opened pull request #22715: xen: update domU config for pvgrub2 (master...fix-22709-xen-domU) https://git.io/vDrWs
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rycee pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDrWw
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 939c846 Rahul Gopinath: elvish: 0.1 -> 0.5
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rycee closed pull request #22687: elvish: 0.1 -> 0.5 (master...elvish) https://git.io/vDwBo
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<ndowens08> dtz sorry to bother ya again, had issue again with build so closed that PR, now how do i test it w/o submitting the pull req?
<dtzWill> ndowens08: something like: $ nix-shell -p nox --run 'nox-review wip --against upstream/master'
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<dtzWill> where 'upstream' is my git remote for nixpkgs master, it's usually 'origin'
<ndowens08> ah thank you :)
<dtzWill> that command will test current HEAD against the specified reference 'origin/master' which is usually what you want
<ndowens08> for some reason "spark = callPackage ...." which isnt even mine is messing with my package
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] ndowens opened pull request #22716: worker: init at 3.8.5 (master...master) https://git.io/vDrl1
<ndowens08> wth, i dont get it, fails with exit 1
<ndowens08> well atleast the first build job so far
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<ndowens08> first time i ever submited a PR, all 3 was fine
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<MichaelRaskin> Don't be too traumatised by Travis
<dtzWill> ndowens08: 1)don't pass in 'pkgs', just the ones you need (xorg), which you already do :). 2)why all the changes to all-packages.nix? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/22716/files#diff-036410e9211b4336186fc613f7200b12
<ndowens08> dtzWill: I remember having to change it last time b/c spark callPackage was causing errors, spitting stuff out about python packages, in which has nothing to do with my package
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<MichaelRaskin> It may be better to just comment that TravisCI is complaining about something unrelated
<alphor> hm. networking.interfaces shows up in nixos-option now. There isn't an entry for one of my interfaces, though.
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<ndowens08> also I am having issues with squashing commits, gives errors and people have commited on previous PR maybe I should squash them but i got errors in trying to do so
<MichaelRaskin> It is a good idea to check if it randomly found a real problem, but it is understood that it has a lot of false positives.
<avn> Folks, anyone can take look on https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/22489 ?
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<ndowens08> MichaelRaskin: how would I know if they are false vs real; Sorry so new to this, but figured maybe I can contribute a bit to nixpkgs
<MichaelRaskin> If the error is actually during the build of your package: real
<ndowens08> ah, i know it builds and works just fine
<MichaelRaskin> If a failure is in a reverse dependency and looks like something that can be related to your update: likely real
<ndowens08> on my side atleast
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<MichaelRaskin> Well, sometimes there are sandboxing problems, or i686 vs x86_64
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<ndowens08> dtzWill: should I re-add that spark line back in, since I removed it to clean that nox review up?
<MichaelRaskin> If it looks like out-of-disk/log-too-long/build-too-long/out-of-memory — nobody cares
<ndowens08> MichaelRaskin: 2nd build worked in my PR :)
<MichaelRaskin> If a mysteroius failure in something that you have checked not to be a rev.dep. if your change — ignore, life on master happens
<dtz> ndowens08: yes, unless you're actually proposing spark is removed from the tree. Otherwise it can't be accepted as-is regardless of test results.
<MichaelRaskin> I think one of them checks just the instantiation of everything
<ndowens08> k will re add :)
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<dtz> but you remove other things too like.. cdi2iso and similar, that I would expect are not intentional. Most likely only change to all-packages.nix sohuld be addding the 'worker = callPackage .." line
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<drakonis> a nox review?
<MichaelRaskin> Yep, tests can be overruled by human judgement, unmotivated removal of packages is a no-go
<ndowens08> hmm i dont remember removing those dtz
<ndowens08> sigh, i hate using git at times lol, confuses me a bit
<dtzWill> until git makes sense, it makes no sense. lol :P
<MichaelRaskin> avn:
<MichaelRaskin> But it's a NixOS change!
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<ndowens08> dtzWill: that is so weird, that is shows i removed all those, but i only did that one line :\
<MichaelRaskin> «can disable handling of supportedLocale» sounds vague and scary, too
<ndowens08> hmm maybe downloading that allpackage file and commit it to mine will balance it back out; no idea what happened
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<MichaelRaskin> git, if not enough unexplainable random stuff happens in your computing
<avn> MichaelRaskin: yep, little level of indirection added. IDK why nixpkgs.override won't work for locales here
<avn> MichaelRaskin: and I am agree, that doc can be better ;)
<MichaelRaskin> Maybe make the option hidden?
<MichaelRaskin> And tell when it actually will break the other options?
<MichaelRaskin> Did you check that the overlay was installed to the path where _NixOS_ evaluation process looks?
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<ndowens08> dtzWill: ok explain this, I downloaded the copy of allpackages.nix, added my line and pushed it to master, and now it is saying others are deleted?
<avn> MichaelRaskin: yes, let me link my config part
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<MichaelRaskin> I don't use mainline NixOS which makes me somewhat reluctant to merge stuff that is non-trivial to test for me
<avn> MichaelRaskin: https://github.com/avnik/nixos-configs/blob/master/common/i18n.nix#L58 commented out code won't work, and then I try to patch stuff
<ndowens08> dtzWill: but yea all i did was download from master, added my line for worker and commit and push; didnt delete nothing lol
<dtz> haha yeah I imagine not. Dunno, but glad you sorted it out :)
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<avn> MichaelRaskin: but make option hidden or improve docs looks good idea anyway
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<Wizek_> Hey! Anyone knows how in this nix-shell command I could specify what version of GHC I'd like to use? `$ nix-shell -p "haskellPackages.ghcWithPackages (p: [])" --run 'ghc --version'`
<pikajude> haskell.packages.ghc802.ghcWithPackages
<pikajude> or whatever version
<MichaelRaskin> avn: well, I can give standard complaints just as well, it is the positive side that I am reluctant to do!
<avn> MichaelRaskin: attempt to run nixos in production follow to support 20 years old ago app, which want old 8bit encodings of cyrillic.
<domenkozar> peti: I can't wait for LTS 8, do you need some help?
<ndowens08> how am i suppose to squash my commits when upsteam keeps changing, and says i am # commits behind, git pull before doing so lol
<avn> Anyway, if anyone expert in nixos/ part of nixpkgs, advices are welcomed ;)
<MichaelRaskin> Oh right, that's fun
<MichaelRaskin> I remember that some codepaths in Wine check whether locale is UTF or 8-bit, but do not depend on the actual value of the 8-bit encoding
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<ndowens08> ok i cant do it, supposedly use git rebase to squash commits but i just cant manage to do so :\
<domenkozar> noooooooooooooooooooooo
<Wizek_> pikajude, thanks, giving that a try!
<domenkozar> I missed gsoc application deadline :'(
<domenkozar> blame it on the cold or something
<domenkozar> :(
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<ndowens08> hmm well i did merge some a bit, but i still have 6 commits :\
<ndowens08> if i could only remove all those other commits now
<pikajude> just squash them!
<ndowens08> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/22716/commits i did some and still show
<ndowens08> 2nd from bottom is squash but others still show
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<Wizek_> btw, for that to work I had to specify `-I nixpkgs=https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs-channels/archive/nixos-16.09.tar.gz`, otherwise I got `error: attribute ‘ghc802’ missing, at (string):1:66`. How could I make 16.06 the default? (nix on ubuntu)
<Wizek_> s/06/09/
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Profpatsch opened pull request #22717: mpd: fix on i686 (master...mpd-i686-patch) https://git.io/vDrBn
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<avn> MichaelRaskin: you are hit, is stone age delphi app under wine ;)
<MichaelRaskin> Technically, you could build your needed locale set and override $LOCALE_ARCHIVE specifically for that app instance
<MichaelRaskin> Because of course you do not have sources. Otherwise you would just compile using Lazarus and get a modern native application like normal people.
<gchristensen> anyone know pam super well?
<MichaelRaskin> Nobody including authors knows PAM _super_ well
<gchristensen> I thought so :D
<gchristensen> ah
<gchristensen> I think our entire pam config is semi-busted
<LnL> oh?
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<gchristensen> yeah :|
<LnL> what's broken
<gchristensen> I think pam_unix.so should be at the end
<gchristensen> but it isn't, and in some cases can be listed twice
<gchristensen> I think in general our pam configs aren't appropriately abstracted... and maybe shouldn't be abstracted like they are?
<ndowens08> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/22716 all but one check completed :)
<LnL> no idea where it happens in the modules
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<alphor> hmm.. any reason why I can't ssh into my machine but others can? https://github.com/alphor/3asirah/blob/master/etc/nixos/configuration.nix
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<alphor> on either interface, I can't. but others can on both.
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<ndowens08> LnL: done the maintainer.nix file and fixed license field, so it is currently going through check again
* dmj` wishes travis CI could cache /nix/store :(
<gchristensen> probably what you actually wish for is CI that worked :)
<LnL> ^^
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Ma27 opened pull request #22718: nodePackages.mocha: init at 3.2.0 (master...new-package/node-packages/mocha) https://git.io/vDrE5
<SuprDewd> can someone tell what I'm doing wrong? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/22554#discussion_r100335095
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<ndowens08> yay looks like all 3 builds will work now
<Judson> I'm wondering about a Nix use case (which I get the impression is one of the selling points): using Nix to manage development dependencies for a project a la RVM or Cabal or virtualenv et al.
<Judson> Specificially, when you're developing two tightly coupled libraries (e.g. a plugin you're extracting), so in one workspace you need to refer to another as the provider of a library.
<Judson> In Rubyland, with Bundler I'd use `:path => "../other-gem"` or whatever for this.
<Judson> Is there an existing approach in Nix?
<Judson> (Also, I'm poking at bundlerEnv's innards right now, and wondering if I can do something with the gemset.nix to make it work...)
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<avn> MichaelRaskin: sure, exporint LOCALE_ARCHIVE to package build in way, I linked couple hours is my solution for production, but also it produce code for PR which we discuss ;)
<MichaelRaskin> No, rebuilding replaces LOCALE_ARCHIVE
<MichaelRaskin> LOCALE_ARCHIVE export just for running the existing Wine+exe
<MichaelRaskin> I mean, if you actually rebuild, you won't need locale tricks anymore
<avn> MichaelRaskin: yes, it (will be) run in custom `run-wine` script, which put LOCALE_ARCHIVE, LANG and few other variables
<avn> MichaelRaskin: I not sure, that we have all sources.
<drakonis> so how do i work with docker on nix
<nekroze> How can I made an if statement to check if an option is defined? With nixops I am trying to use networking.privateIPv4 from another machine that has not yet been deployed so I need it to return something sane in that case as it is erroring saying it is undefined. I have tried isNull and hasAttr but it passes and tries to use privateIPv4 regardless.
<MichaelRaskin> Re: sources — that's unfortunate, although unsurprising
<avn> Actually I just explain, why I create that PR ;)
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<avn> MichaelRaskin: also I won't overtake upstream development (some smell of politic here)
<avn> drakonis: it just works (at least worked couple montths ago)
<drakonis> using docker the command normally?
<avn> drakonis: enable service, add yourself to group, and docker package for `docker` command to PATH
<drakonis> oh i see.
<drakonis> hmm
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<drakonis> well it is already in my path
<drakonis> but i'm not in the docker group
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<drakonis> i am having troubles getting docker to work
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 opened pull request #22720: vimPlugins: update to latest (master...vim-plugins) https://git.io/vDrgT
<nekroze> how can I check if an option is defined?
<nekroze> to avoid "used but not defined" errors
<LnL> nixos-option is pretty nice
<peterhoeg> ikwildrpepper: yep, peterhoeg as well on github
<nekroze> LnL: I need to check it in the code. networking.privateIPv4 is only defined once a vm has been deployed so I need to switch based on it being defined
<LnL> that's something nixops specific I think
<nekroze> LnL: The option is but not the problem I think. I found some references to some options value for modules that would allow `options.networking.privateIPv4.isDefined` but I only found like 2 references and they are from errors
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<LnL> nekroze: it's defined by nixops, so you can't use in with a regular nixos configuration https://search.nix.gsc.io/?q=privateIPv4
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] patternspandemic opened pull request #22722: kodestudio: init at 17.1 (master...kodestudio) https://git.io/vDrgy
<nekroze> LnL: I am not, it is being used in a nixops config
<nekroze> LnL: but the option is not defined until that machine is deployed for the first time. so if you use that option in another machine and that machine gets deployed before the other it all freaks out because privateIPv4 is not defined
<drakonis> hm
<drakonis> /nix/store/w0z1ily0n0jcanxzrg5c9lhqx09yjvc1-docker-1.13.0/libexec/docker/docker: Error response from daemon: oci runtime error: container_linux.go:247: starting container process caused "process_linux.go:359: container init caused \"rootfs_linux.go:54: mounting \\\"cgroup\\\" to rootfs \\\"/var/lib/docker/overlay2/69f2619bb0ef9ed36d594e286fe7b47d948995808abd3193481f7aa231507674/merged\\\" at \\\"/sys/fs/cgroup\\\" caused \\\"no subsystem for
<drakonis> mount\\\"\"".
<drakonis> some advice?
<drakonis> swell,
<drakonis> thanks systemd
<drakonis> i'll go back to 16.09 while i wait
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<LnL> nekroze: oh I see, that's pretty strange behaviour for options
<drakonis> i'm getting collisions and i can't fix them
<nekroze> Indeed, it makes it very hard to perform a check that the option is defined and only use it when it is. at least hard for me so far.
<drakonis> i just need it to do some horrible horrible less than legal things
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<LnL> drakonis: that's how I use things from unstable on top of 16.09
<nekroze> at the moment I am having to deploy all my VM's except for my reverse proxy frontend (as it references most of the other vm's in this way) and then deploy the frontend afterwards which sucks when I am doing a staging run and just want to test one vm behind the proxy
<drakonis> hm
<drakonis> that is interesting actually
<drakonis> i'll take it
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<LnL> you can even do something like that to get new services in 16.09 :)
<drakonis> oic
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<drakonis> that is good
<nekroze> thats is pretty cool
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<LnL> there's no way to replace existing options at the moment, hopefully I can get something working before 17.03
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] benley opened pull request #22723: Fix sessions with sddm. (master...fix-sessions-with-sddm) https://git.io/vDr27
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc opened pull request #22724: pam_oath: require OATH and pam_unix credentials to be valid (master...pam-oath-fixup) https://git.io/vDraT
<gchristensen> LnL: ^ is what this was about
<nekroze> LnL: I am going to try give it an value with mkDefault and hope that nixops overrides the default correctly once the vm is deployed
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<LnL> gchristensen: oh, we had no tests for that?
<gchristensen> worse
<LnL> oh :(
<gchristensen> yeah :/
<nekroze> LnL: that method works. I can set privateIPv4 using mkDefault to something broken like "255.255.255.255" and then once the vm is deployed it overrides it and the next time the proxy is deployed it uses the vm's real ip
<LnL> I would have expected it to fail anyway
<LnL> mkDefault works for nonexistent options?
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] nocoolnametom opened pull request #22725: gcalcli: init at 3.4.0 (master...gcalcli-3.4.0) https://git.io/vDraE
<nekroze> LnL: Yeah I was dubious as well but it works
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<nekroze> anyways gotta go into a meeting laters
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<pikajude> hello
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<gchristensen> 334 PRs...!
<pikajude> xsession is saying "Window manager 'xmonad'' not found"
<pikajude> with two ending quotes
<pikajude> what's up with that
<ndowens08> LnL: hmm you said I missing closing curly braces, but i dont see any missing?
<LnL> ndowens08: I mean the indentation
<ndowens08> };
<ndowens08> }
<ndowens08> like that?
<LnL> yeah
<drakonis> shit i busted up my install
<gchristensen> oh, drakonis?
<gchristensen> how?
<drakonis> i broke channels
<drakonis> nix keeps yapping about the root channels being gone
<gchristensen> put it back then
<drakonis> i did
<gchristensen> and then --update?
<drakonis> warning: Nix search path entry ‘/nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels/nixos/nixpkgs’ does not exist, ignoring
<drakonis> error: file ‘nixpkgs/nixos’ was not found in the Nix search path (add it using $NIX_PATH or -I), at (string):1:13
<drakonis> swell
<ndowens08> guessing --rollback wont work?
<gchristensen> what command did you run to get that, drakonis?
<drakonis> i ran nix-channels --remove
<drakonis> am i supposed to have channels on root or user?
<drakonis> or do this as sudo
<drakonis> with sudo
<gchristensen> add them as root, which can be done with sudo
<drakonis> hm
<drakonis> i have
<drakonis> but i still have issues
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<gchristensen> what issues?
<drakonis> hm
<drakonis> hold on
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vDrV4
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9ed445a Alexander V. Nikolaev: wineUnstable: 2.0 -> 2.1
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 2495065 Graham Christensen: Merge pull request #22667 from avnik/wine-update...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vDrVz
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master f5a82e4 Franz Pletz: gitlab service: fix database creation...
<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc closed pull request #22537: jimtcl: 0.76 -> 0.77 (master...jimtcl-0.77) https://git.io/vDBA5