<makefu> :D
<fadenb> Drove to the office for a meeting, no one showed up -> time for wiki stuff :P
<makefu> best meetings
<makefu> fadenb: have you ever played around with hydra?
<infinisil> I really want a hydra for myself :O
<infinisil> Would be so useful
<makefu> i started the article
<fadenb> makefu: yes but that was some time ago. Mostly I just restarted the queue runner when Mayflower Hydra was broken :P
<makefu> so far it works but i have no idea how to continue. the manual seems to be out of date or does not provide any infos
<makefu> i just want to build a single package in hydra (for testing)
<fadenb> Hmm, try pinging fpletz or robin. They set up multiple hydras so they should know
<makefu> the most confusing part is how to actually make hydra evaluate a job, there are too many ways to configure inputs
<Mic92> some perl knowledge might be also handy
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<Reaktor|krebs> ixxie: i will try to set up hydra and play around with it -- makefu!~makefu@v22017114592354873.luckysrv.de, Mon Dec 11 23:02:42 CET 2017
<ixxie> samueldr: HELP!
<ixxie> I broke stuff
<samueldr> what?
<samueldr> ah!
<samueldr> the bot isn't there
<makefu> oh oh!
<makefu> fadenb: !!!
<samueldr> ixxie: don't edit, I'm looking
<ixxie> okay I kinda fixed it
<samueldr> I'll still look to see if it's fixed well enough :)
<ixxie> samueldr: I lost the clarifications icon but I found it
<ixxie> I wanna embedd a table in that first box
<ixxie> but it seems impossible
<fadenb> bot has trouble with netsplits and gets stuck sometimes. Will restart it soon
<fadenb> currently stuck in the subway
<samueldr> ixxie: table for what purpose?
<ixxie> samueldr: one row links to all the main articles, the second to all the manuals (+Nix Pills for the language)
<makefu> fadenb: okay thanks :)
<ixxie> samueldr: the idea was to make a single box THE goto place for the newcomer
<samueldr> use a list for now, make a crude drawing of how you were seeing it, and I'll look into making it in a responsive manner
<samueldr> (a table won't be responsive)
<samueldr> (and the frontpage HAS to be 100% responsive :) )
<ixxie> samueldr: mueah, here you go; those two lists I envisioned as two rows on a table
<ixxie> I thought a table that small *could* be responsive
<ixxie> but of course its tricky even for that
<samueldr> yeah, words adds up quickly
<ixxie> samueldr: one thing I was thinking when writing up the Get In Touch box, is perhaps icons could be nice
<ixxie> samueldr: for all the social media its definitely handy
<ixxie> samueldr: but since there are no icons for all the Nix Ecosystem elements its a bit problematic
<ixxie> in anycase, it comes down to this: at the moment, its hard to fill those boxes without making them overcrowded with text, so we need to think about useful yet responsive content which doesn't overwhelm the visitor
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<fadenb> bot is back
<fadenb> need to build some kind of monitoring check for the bot
<ixxie> fadenb: would be called an autobot then? xD
<ixxie> samueldr: I guess a two column table wouldn't be a problem right?
<ixxie> samueldr: also feasable is to invent icons for Discussion, Guide, Cookbook, Tutorial and Reference / Manual
<ixxie> s/invent/find/
<Reaktor|krebs> ixxie meant: samueldr: also feasable is to find icons for Discussion, Guide, Cookbook, Tutorial and Reference / Manual
<samueldr> we're not even forced to use a layout such as it is right now
<samueldr> I'm a master integrator, but not as much designer, if you have some webpage design chops and feel fancy, you can submit layout / design ideas for the front page
<samueldr> I basically bootstrapped the process by making something nicer than a simple wiki list, but other than that, we're pretty free to do anything within the confines of the page
<samueldr> (it can't really go wider than how wide the boxes are at the widest, but we can maybe cheat and go outside of that for visual-only elements)
<joepie91> ixxie: do we need icons? I can make icons
<joepie91> (I'm not a great graphical designer, but simple icons I can do :P)
<samueldr> joepie91: right now I'm following the breeze line-art icon style, by mostly taking their vectors and adapting them
<samueldr> breeze icons → https://github.com/KDE/breeze-icons
<samueldr> adaptation needed, as of right now, is to make the icons bigger while keeping the lines pixel-snapped
<nixoswikibot> [[NixOS Wiki:About]] M https://nixos.wiki/index.php?diff=1591&oldid=1540&rcid=1590 * Samueldr * (+489) Adds a note / attribution for the icons
<ixxie> joepie91: I can make icons too, and logos, etc. etc.
<ixxie> ive done some graphic design semiprofessionally
<ixxie> but for icons using icon sets is the most convenient
<ixxie> samueldr: perhaps a 3 column first row and two column second row could work but responsiveness becomes a bit more complicated
<ixxie> samueldr: it depends a lot on what kind of stuff we wanna have in there
<samueldr> in some way, we're so free it hurts
<samueldr> there's no real conventions
<ixxie> I would like to remove the hosting providers box because its a bit tiny
<ixxie> we need to decide on the content first, and let the form follow it
<samueldr> yes
<samueldr> though, the link to friendly hosters, imho, needs to be on the front page
<ixxie> Get Started and Get In Touch are perfect I think, except for the way their content is layed out
<samueldr> and soon we'll need a link to the installation guide (when it at least has a complete installation story written)
<ixxie> yeah but we can find a way to put that stuff in some other box
<samueldr> and there's something I've not had time to formulate appropriately yet, but I think it will be needed / a good idea for the wiki: hardware pages
<samueldr> like some specific laptop models, success / known issues, etc
<ixxie> yes yes
<ixxie> thats great and Arch has a lot of that
<samueldr> hardware "portal", installation guide, nixos friendly hosters can probably share a common section in the homepage
<samueldr> and we can move away from boxes, if you have any visual ideas
<ixxie> I like the boxes, they are a handy way to compartmentalize things
<ixxie> so that would be like a "Setup" box
<samueldr> we've has gchristensen two days ago propose, too, making pages for hardware success stories : https://botbot.me/freenode/nixos/2017-12-10/?msg=94494780&page=8
<ixxie> people do that though right? The wiki has many hardware pages
<ixxie> they should just be indexed I guess
<samueldr> it hasn't had anything new, they're all from older wikis, IIRC
<samueldr> I (evidently) wanted to review them in a common structure
<ixxie> except for much work on the ARM pages
<ixxie> I was thinking the News and Special Pages boxes could be combined to a Wiki box
<ixxie> because News is ambiguous and makes you think its general community news
<samueldr> Wiki news, wiki announcements, etc
<ixxie> but the special pages thing is so small; I thought it could be like 1. a one sentance intro to the wiki with a link to the about page; 2. The news feed and 3. see also: Special pages
<ixxie> if we do all of this consolidation we would have:
<ixxie> 1. Getting Started, 2. Setting Up, 3. Getting In Touch, 4. News (Twitter/Github feeds?), 5. Wiki (with wiki-news and (?) recent changes feeds)
<ixxie> I donno about the feeds since that would be more work for you, and responsiveness would be tricky
<ixxie> at least on a desktop, 1-3 could be in three columns on the top row and 4-5 as a double column below
<ixxie> and that *should* be okay for all of that but I am not sure
<ixxie> samueldr: but I think *the* coolest box would be a tiny searchbox with a single search field which can search for packages and/or options and/or code in nixpkgs (a-la-hound)
<ixxie> with results inside the box, now expanded
<ixxie> that would make nixos.wiki *the* go-to homepage for Nix-stuff I think
<samueldr> depending on the specifics, it can become quite hard, or quite slow
<samueldr> the packages list is big
<samueldr> so it's need some other infrastructure to do the searches
<ixxie> lets leave that for phase II, III or IV then
<samueldr> yes
<ixxie> boxes 1-5 would be already awesome I think
<samueldr> but I'm touching the packages search thing already, re-doing it with some more features
<samueldr> I might as well look into making it more like a service and not do all the work locally
<ixxie> oh sweet
<ixxie> that is so handy
<samueldr> (though the initial goal was to replace the one on the official website with one that allowed linking and such)
<ixxie> the unfree option is handy too
<ixxie> its a common pain-point
<samueldr> I've been re-remaking it in Elm to make it mesh-in nicely with gchristensen's re-make of the options searcher
<ixxie> samueldr: do you know how I can get a reasonable count of the number of packages in Nixpkgs?
<ixxie> I wanted to get a count for some articles
<ixxie> actually if we can make it into a template it wouldn't have to be updated ever xD
<samueldr> no, since I don't know if it needs to include python and ruby things that aren't installable directly and such things
<samueldr> (which are not in the package searcher right now)
<samueldr> if we're to add metadata to articles (like packages count), there is a mediawiki extension (built-in IIRC) that makes it much more friendlier
<samueldr> allows querying the data instead of making rube-goldberg templates
<samueldr> allows indexing too, iirc
<ixxie> I don't mean necessarily in your search thing
<ixxie> even a nix-env command would be nice
<samueldr> yes, I know
<ixxie> dang
<ixxie> so nobody knows how big nixpkgs is?
<samueldr> ask on #nixos, probably someone knows how to get that number
<ixxie> I did a couple times already
<ixxie> no luck yet
<ixxie> I will try again in the coming weeks
<ixxie> do you think a github feed would actually be interesting?
<samueldr> with the metadata thing of mediawiki, pages can present things like package names
<samueldr> in a way, I personall would shy away from repeating what's on the nixos.org homepage, it makes the wiki more of its own thing
<samueldr> especially since the wiki itself isn't bound by what's in the repositories
<ixxie> right
<ixxie> well, I think the twitter feed would be cool for sure; I never use twitter but I would visit the wiki homepage a lot, and it could be a cool way to discover random content
<ixxie> and that should be easy enough because there are extensions for that
<ixxie> that is definitely not on the official site
<ixxie> do you think a recent-changes feed would be difficult? Ideally it would take the higher level changes (mediaiwiki automatically groups changes as far as I can tell, so we could just take those groups of changes and display them somehow)
<ixxie> I guess that is a solved problem too :)
<samueldr> in a template, it doesn't work well, I initially tried it, but yes, assuming an extension can be used
<samueldr> this too, I think, shall wait for pull-requestable configuration ;)
<ixxie> samueldr: well, fadenb was hoping to take care of it in the coming week or two I think
<ixxie> so I guess for now we can consider boxes 1-3? those should be doable with templates maybe?
<ixxie> also, the missing articles >.<
<samueldr> I'll look at it more in detail later
<samueldr> (it's working hours for me still :) )
<fadenb> yep, I am at the moment cleaning up stuff, moving secrets around, etc. I will be off-work next week so latest then I should get "something" out :P
<ixxie> samueldr: aye aye :) It's bed time for me and the misses is beconing me to bed; have a good day :)
<ixxie> fadenb: awesome ^^ have a good evening
<ixxie> I guess I will now divert my attention to how the heck to complete the NixOps and Hydra article xD
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