gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS 19.09 is released! https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-19-09-release/4306 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 19.09 RMs: disasm, sphalerite; 20.03: worldofpeace, disasm | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
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<samueldr> I think it's time we get with the decade, and start shipping our installer images on FAT32, ext2, and ZFS all at once https://github.com/pcd1193182/cursedfs
<samueldr> [follow up to this bad post in #nixos-chat ]
<drakonis> that's extr acursed
<drakonis> extra cursed.
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<drakonis> https://opencollective.com/nixos#support ehhh somehow someone's debiting 1000 EUR from the budget but its waiting to be approved?
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<bennofs> what was the command to check that I didn't mess up evaluation for a simple meta-only change again? scripts/maintainers/eval-release is eating my ram
<bennofs> am I doing something wrong? I tried the command that ofborg uses for instantiate, but it needs more than 8G ram.
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<infinisil> bennofs: Sounds about right to me!
<bennofs[m]> Didn't even manage to eval it in my 8G RAM laptop. How much RAM do the ofborg machines have?
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<das_j> is there any particular reason for using grub in the iso when UEFI booting?
<das_j> systemd-boot seems like a much better choice here. the only thing it lacks are submenus
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<__monty__> Why not syslinux? That seems like the most popular option.
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<das_j> __monty__: They had broken efi support iirc
<das_j> I'm asking because grub chainload on uefi doesn't actually do an efi-style exec() but instead seems to emulate an incomplete uefi
<das_j> with systemd-boot which just does "exec()", I can boot a Windows ISO from my NixOS ISO
<das_j> god forgive for I have sinned
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<samueldr> das_j: serial support iiirc, AND LOOKS
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<das_j> bruh
<samueldr> (oops, caps locked accidentally)
<das_j> systemd-boot uses the serial console from UEFI if there is one
<samueldr> I don't remember what were the other considerations
<samueldr> though, I'm not sure "booting a windows iso from the nixos iso" is something that can bring change :/
<clever> i bumped into somebody in #nixos a while back, that was making an iso containing many distro's
<clever> and i helped in making nixos fit into it
<samueldr> though, it hasn't been investigated due to lack of time, I wanted to tear down the code specific to the iso, and juste make it "a nixos configuration"
<samueldr> so that it would be trivial to change the bootloader
<samueldr> I'm pretty sure making the iso builder less custom is a net posiitivve
<clever> part of the complication, might be that it needs 2 bootloaders currently
<clever> for efi and legacy
<clever> so you need a way to configure 2 bootloaders at once
<clever> though, the old floppy emulation...
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<samueldr> yep
<samueldr> also, breaking things apart could allow us to squashfs the sd-image easier I guess
<clever> there is also a major difference between netboot/multi-boot-helper and the iso image
<clever> netboot is putting the squashfs into the initrd
<clever> so it uses more ram, but doesnt need the boot media after booting
<clever> and i tend to reuse the netboot template, heavily, lol
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<das_j> umm, why is the ESP so hacky?
<das_j> it's the worst ESP I have seen in my life
<samueldr> what's the problem?
<das_j> the "img" file
<das_j> which is also a partition
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<samueldr> isn't that what mkhybrid does?
* samueldr needs to check the tool name
<das_j> the most logical thing to do (IMO) would be a MBR with the legacy bootloader installed and with one large fat32 that holds the squashfs and the ESP files
<ajs124> that's not El Torito compatible though, is it?
<samueldr> it still needs to work as an iso
<samueldr> ^
<das_j> does anyone even still own CDs tho?
<samueldr> yes
<das_j> oof
<samueldr> many hosting platforms' isos end up virtualized as CDs
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<ajs124> so ubuntu isos seem to have an actual efi, not a file which is also a partition
<samueldr> and virtualization sofftware may not cope by default (unverified)
<samueldr> I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's something to keep in mind
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<samueldr> :/ I knew something like #77985 was going to come at some point, though I'm not sure I am prepared for it
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/77985 (by Ma27, 1 day ago, open): gcc: remove versions 4.9 and 5
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<worldofpeace> Is the staging workflow documented anywhere for the release branches?
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