gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS 19.09 is released! https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-19-09-release/4306 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 19.09 RMs: disasm, sphalerite; 20.03: worldofpeace, disasm | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
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<domenkozar[m]> getting there :D
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<infinisil> Did anybody ever tell oxij that they can't use github formatting from emails? https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/64#issuecomment-579071397
<drakonis> he doesnt seem like he opens github a lot
<drakonis> orgmode doesnt render on github
<drakonis> does he not see things from the perspective of the average contributor?
<samueldr> drakonis: it renders https://github.com/novoid/github-orgmode-tests
<drakonis> hm, neat.
<drakonis> still, org mode is not the solution
<samueldr> ah, so I understand you've solved rfcs#64 by yourself?
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/64 (by Infinisil, 3 weeks ago, open): [RFC 0064] New Documentation Format for nixpkgs and NixOS
<drakonis> no i have not
<samueldr> the same could be said for all proposals, it stands the same chance until proven otherwise I would think
<drakonis> org mode is a bit more demanding than the others
<drakonis> extremely powerful but it only runs on emacs
<samueldr> oh, github runs on emacs?
<drakonis> no
<drakonis> org mode
<drakonis> oxij suggested using org mode for writing docs but it runs mainly on emacs, despite there being other implementations
<drakonis> however they dont offer the full feature set
<samueldr> are you sure you're not mixing up the software named org mode with the markup format named org mode?
<samueldr> (I'm not)
<drakonis> nope.
<samueldr> then those would be good additions to the discussion on the RFC, if there are concerns about the format
<drakonis> editors other than emacs have limited support for org mode the markup format
<drakonis> i'm pointing out that the bar for org mode is higher than other formats
<drakonis> but then, its learning a new format like any other so eh.
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<domenkozar[m]> I wish people read the requirements before suggesting their own personal favorite format
<infinisil> +1
<lovesegfault> All docs will be written in reverse LaTeX
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<arianvp> There's already presdcedent of a markup format that needs deep editor support to be friendly to use ;)
<arianvp> Or easier to use*
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<evils> in their defense, github's web based editor preview renders org, which seems like a good minimum requirement for editor support...
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<Profpatsch> lovesegfault: Reverse polish notation LaTeX? Neat.
<Profpatsch> I agree that org mode is not a good solution, because it’s an organically grown elisp format with no mind to simplicity of parsing or interaction between syntax (also no grammar and barely any good implementations outside of emacs)
<Profpatsch> It’s, in its essence, the antithesis of docbook
<mkaito> I use org mode for most of my stuff, but I wouldn't ever suggest it here :P
<Profpatsch> mkaito: yeah, same
<Profpatsch> it replaced .txt for me, but that’s it
<mkaito> I did that mistake once, and Serokell was stuck for years using mandatory org-mode for work clocks. regrets were had.
<Profpatsch> frick, I’m discussing docformats again
<mkaito> now I preface everything I say with "this works for me, and it's fine if you don't like it" :P
<Profpatsch> “I’s easy, just emacs --eval "(docbook-to-html \"nix-manual.org\")" in the manual drv”
<__monty__> I'm sure there's a quote along the lines of "The easiest topic to nerdsnipe people with is syntax." : )
<Profpatsch> ^ that would indeed my recommendation to generate formats if we were to use .org
<mkaito> well yeah, org-mode exports to nearly anything :P
<Profpatsch> __monty__: It’s like religion, everybody is bound to have an opinion :)
<__monty__> And much like with religion most people are wrong. : >
<mkaito> nah, most people are right... for themselves. the problem is with people who can't tell fact from opinion.
<__monty__> (That was a joke about people who prefer C-style syntax.)
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<jtojnar> worldofpeace: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/76732 might make it to 20.03 if we eschew the error messages
<{^_^}> #76732 (by jtojnar, 4 weeks ago, open): stdenv.mkDerivation: add support for env attrset
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<globin> jtojnar: the current assertions were never intended to be merged to master, they are just to make the builds fail more explicitly until they are fixed
<globin> I'm not sure if we should introduce the env attrs already, maybe the whole structured attrs change should go through an RFC
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<jtojnar> globin it would be nice if there was some error, rather than builds silently broken
<mkaito> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/78366#discussion_r371866719 -- "please at least run the test first" I could do without the condescending attitude during code review.
<jtojnar> But it seems you cannot really assert without forcing the dependencies
<jtojnar> I was even thinking of having the bash scripts declare used variables/functions for some extra checks (e.g. using cmakeFlags without cmake setup hook would error)
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