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<FRidh>
with structured attributes the attributes are written to the file .attrs.json. This file is written with permissions 0666 and is thus writeable. Would it make sense to have it read-only? That way, if a derivation wants to store it, it could be guaranteed that it is untouched. I'm thinking here about the situation where we woul want to record this file in a separate output for traceability.
<niksnut>
FRidh: making it read-only wouldn't guarantee that, since the directory is writable
<LnL>
also seems similar to persisting or uploading the drv
<FRidh>
that was the reason behind it actually. While you can say keep-derivations, I don't think you can say `nix copy` and include the .drv
<LnL>
drvs can be uploaded to a cache, would be nice if hydra did that
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<domenkozar[m]>
hercules does that :)
<domenkozar[m]>
turns out we needed to add batching support
<domenkozar[m]>
since uploading 20k drvs takes time :D
<domenkozar[m]>
(as you have to check the cache each evaluation)
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<globin>
niksnut, FRidh: there actually is an issue with the .attrs.* files and moving stdenv to using structured attrs where i'm not sure how to proceed yet. if sourceRoot = "."; then the unpacking tries to chmod the whole dir including the .attrs files which fails, as they aren't owned by the build user
<LnL>
that happens in the child, so it automatically has the correct permissions
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: I think the motivation there would be pretty simple
<jtojnar>
worldofpeace is it clear for someone who is not a distro maintainer?
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: No, distro maintainers live in a world of software and their giant dependencies 😁 People that write them just want the code to be good and useful.
<worldofpeace>
I personally believe every programmer in the linux world should have a distro maintainer on call to tell them what not to do.
<jtojnar>
main problem with this is that meson does not really support code re-use
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<worldofpeace>
hmm, you're right. that might make it more complicated point to sell.
<ixxie>
worldofpeace: maybe you should write a little guide and post it on hacker news with a clickbaity title like 'falsehood FOSS app devs believe about making their code portable'
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<worldofpeace>
ixxie: that's actually a great idea. Nix visibility could get boosted, if you need a guide how to make your code portable look no further than nixos.
<ixxie>
worldofpeace: you mean, 'package your app for Nix and learn just how portable it is' sort of blogpost?
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: #73378 looks good? I was planning on using that in the gnome-xorg test.
<ixxie>
worldofpeace: if you write it with an example walking through you packaging a real life app showing the pitfalls it could be a great read!
<worldofpeace>
ixxie: I think people can't really see what sort of things we have to go through to actually port something for nixos, our platform reveals impurities.
<worldofpeace>
ixxie: thanks. I'm thinking either writing something would be nice, or ooh even better. I could script and record it. And publish reading material as well.
<ixxie>
worldofpeace: so enter NixOS and you are - so to speak - entering the gates of Heaven; you must be purified to pass the gates or enter DDL Hell.
<ixxie>
(feel free to use that metaphor in the blog post xD)
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<worldofpeace>
ixxie: 😆 that's fab. It'll begin with a slightly condescending farce, and then a well balanced perspective.
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<gchristensen>
,tell fridh to ping me
<{^_^}>
gchristensen: I'll pass that on to fridh
<jtojnar>
worldofpeace I do not like raising exceptions as state for flow control, but otherwise looks good
<jtojnar>
worldofpeace by the way, did you read the GIMP discussion regarding fetching VCS archives?
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: yeah, python kinda twists my brain in a strange way because I don't really prefer it. I could probably move that into main()
<jtojnar>
We should probably modify fetchFromGitLab to accept keepDotGit like fetchFromGitLab does
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: I don't think I have, link? Must say searching for GIMP can give you some rather unwanted results in duckduckgo. only now realize further why they want a name change 🤣
<worldofpeace>
ugh, I don't like it when people do this with meson
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<jtojnar>
except for one urbandictionary link I only see links for GNU Image Manipulation Program
<jtojnar>
plus two Adobe ads
<jtojnar>
as a non-native English speaker, I do not really understand the controversy, the program is the primary meaning for me
<adisbladis>
jtojnar: If you know the other meaning the association is unfortunate (and makes searching for things without nsfw results hard)
<jtojnar>
whereas glimpse evokes much less pleasant notions for me
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<jtojnar>
I have safe search turned off and GIMP is one of the search terms that does not include porn for me in the results (at least until end of the second page)
<worldofpeace>
Umm, the main argument there was because they can't figure out what git commit it was generated from Jan Tojnar? Literally have to give a git revision to gitlab api to get a tarball.
<jtojnar>
worldofpeace also that they build from dist tarballs for testing
<jtojnar>
so anything else is not sanctioned
<jtojnar>
is the slur really that common? I do not recall encountering it before this controversy?
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: I had no awareness of the work until reading about it. It's also not a convenient namechange either.
<worldofpeace>
* word
<jtojnar>
i.e. is that a meaning 90% of English speaker will be familiar with?
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<worldofpeace>
lol, no. Perhaps deep urban dictionary readers.
<simpson>
jtojnar: As a native of the USA, I'd estimate that about half of English-speakers know what a gimp is, or gimping or being gimped. They might not think of it as necessarily sexual.
<jtojnar>
there is only so many combinations of letters in the alphabet that are not unpronouncable, every one of them will probably have something offensive associated with it eventually
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<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: I agree. I think there's other things of important to appeal better to a different group than changing your name from an acryonym that might have this association.
<jtojnar>
at least both groups are collaborating in this case
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<jtojnar>
hmm, should we allow recursive maintainer teams?
<infinisil>
gchristensen: I think ,tell is case sensitive btw
<infinisil>
Should probably fix that since nicks on freenode (or irc in general?) aren't case sensitive
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: hmm, what if multiple teams share similar members that are added to the same package?
<jtojnar>
yeah, that is another concern
<worldofpeace>
exactly, so I might have to retract my comment with it maybe being merge ready. That's like to happen quickly, so we'll need some de-duplication.