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<gchristensen>
if for whatever reason you like monitoring hydra and don't feel like going to status.nixos.org, https://hydra.nixos.org/prometheus exists now
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<__red__>
btw - anyone have a link / reference to a talk that happened at nixcon regarding networkd?
<__red__>
there's supposedly a move for nixos to move that way and there was a reference in the discussion to go to that talk if you wanted to learn more
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<__red__>
(distracted by another nixcon video :-) this time flakes)
<__red__>
oh perfect - that's why I couldn't find it
<__red__>
thank you
<__red__>
Okay - watched it. I'll try and reserve judgement until I see the RFC, but he kinda scared me.
<__red__>
probably just because it was a lightning talk and he was trying to cram into the time I'm guessing
<globin>
__red__: what are the thigns you're worrying about, so we can consider those at the networkd sprint?
<__red__>
My main concern is that systemd and networkd is primarily designed to work in dynamic environments. My server environments are all static.
<__red__>
I'm nervous when adding a whole bunch of moving parts to my system to manage something that should never move, when a few ip / ifconfig and ip route is sufficient
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<__red__>
My fundamental concern is that I haven't seen any explicit advantages that could offset the potential added complexity.
<gchristensen>
the "scripted" networking doesn't correctly handling complex layouts, so my static configs with several vlans and bonds correctly comes up about 1/5th of the time
<__red__>
also, I walked away from that talk feeling like I'd been described as a "problem"... I'm assuming good faith insomuch as it was just compressed time or I'm just too sensitive
<__red__>
both are likely true
<__red__>
gchristensen: why do they fail?
<gchristensen>
dependency and ordering problems, I dunno, I don't really like looking in to it
<globin>
__red__: we will definitely take server configs into accoutn, as we do our multi-site company routing including wireguard tunnels, bgp and vlans all on nixos and have had a number of problems with the scripted networking as it is near impossible to get the dependencies right
<__red__>
See, now this makes a lot more sense
<gchristensen>
the part where I don't like looking in to it?
<globin>
we've fixed quite a number of things over time but it has never been perfect and networkd provides us with a possibility to declaratively configre interfaces etc. which fits far better than hacking around with iproute2
<gchristensen>
yeah that is the other thing. hacking with the scripted bits don't correctly go from stateA to stateB if the transition is complicated
<__red__>
No, that ordering that static configurations come up is something which is currently unmanaged and networkd provides that functionality