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<jtojnar> why do we even test i686?
<worldofpeace> I've tried to fix stuff for it, but it just looks like too much work.
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<worldofpeace> (it being i686 in general, haven't seen that particular gtk-doc failure.)
<jtojnar> unstable has been broken for ten days now
<simpson> I want to believe in the usefulness of i686 without desktop environments, at least, if that's a possible compromise position.
<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: I think I might've pushed a commit like https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/73377
<{^_^}> #73377 (by jtojnar, 3 minutes ago, open): kdeApplications.print-manager: disable format-security
<worldofpeace> sorry about that
<jtojnar> as long as it is fixed
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<worldofpeace> The channel has been blocked up on a lot of little things recently. A bit back it was Aarch64 troubles, but since then its not been major problems.
<gchristensen> on that topic, Dustin at Packet and I spent a bunch of time today diagnosing whats what https://status.nixos.org/grafana/d/zYs5NPJZz/c2-large-arm-churn-debug?orgId=1&refresh=10s&from=now-3d&to=now and found a way to stabilize the arm builders at 2 spot instances
<jtojnar> simpson sure but we should not block the main channel on non-tier 1 stuff
<jtojnar> worldofpeace what a weird meson bug https://logs.nix.ci/?key=nixos/nixpkgs.70690&attempt_id=f94e4ab9-bbff-4bed-887d-77f10f5f64f3 (traceback)
<simpson> jtojnar: Fair enough. Why isn't i686 in Tier 1? (Do you happen to have a link to the tier list? I don't have it bookmarked, apparently.)
<jtojnar> i think it was NixOS/rfcs#46
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/46 (by 7c6f434c, 28 weeks ago, open): [RFC 0046] Platform Support Tiers
<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: what's it doing? is it looking for that directory before it even exists?
<worldofpeace> gchristensen++
<{^_^}> gchristensen's karma got increased to 174
<jtojnar> worldofpeace it is looking for a version of some framework if I read it correctly in this late hour
<gchristensen> truly ++ for Dustin
<gchristensen> anyway, g'night
<jtojnar> worldofpeace maybe we should backport https://github.com/mesonbuild/meson/pull/5980
<{^_^}> mesonbuild/meson#5980 (by ystreet, 6 weeks ago, merged): dependencies: account for frameworks without a Versions directory
<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: might be easier than updating to 0.52.0
<worldofpeace> It's kinda hard as a contributor trying to support darwin
<jtojnar> yeah, I hope https://github.com/foxlet/macOS-Simple-KVM will work
<jtojnar> need to find 20 GB of spare space first
<worldofpeace> ooh, it'd be cool if we could integrate something like that into nixos
<samueldr> though, of dubious legality
<samueldr> (more about copyright than EULA)
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<worldofpeace> yeah, we might get Apple coming for our necks trying to do something like that...
<jtojnar> will try to continue working on that tomorrow
<jtojnar> 👋
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<cransom> you can emulate macos, provided you are doing it on apple hardware.
<cransom> (as far as anyone knows, legally)
<samueldr> that's the bit that's not necessarily legally relevant imo, (EULA) :)
<samueldr> the relevant bit is more about having access to the OS without... having access to the OS
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<pie_> infinisil: this doesnt work? `{a@b}: null` re: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/2998
<{^_^}> nix#2998 (by deliciouslytyped, 16 weeks ago, open): Named ellipses
<pie_> so not really "everything else"
<pie_> For starters the motivation section seems esentially redundant with the summary. It's pretty simple.
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<jtojnar> hmm, the hash of one of the commits fixing gst-plugins-bad starts with bad
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<gchristensen> in case anyone noticed the failed service at https://status.nixos.org/grafana/d/fBW4tL1Wz/scheduled-task-state-channels-website?orgId=1&refresh=10s / https://status.nixos.org/prometheus/alerts, it is because 19.09 would go backward likely due to a restart of failed or aborted hydra jobs (channel would go back in time from nixos-19.09.1223.cb2cdab7136 to nixos-19.09.1160.a22b0189002, bailing out)
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<ryantm> pie_: I think you can delete all the redundant and empty sections and then add sections back in if they become relevant after you open the pull request and get feedback.
<ryantm> zimbatm: Last time we met for RFC 0046 Michael was unable to use Google Meet because he does not have a Google account. Is there a way to open it to people without accounts?
<zimbatm> ryantm: not that I know of
<ryantm> Okay, we can try using https://webrtc.sipthor.net/conference/nix-rfc-46 like we did last week
<zimbatm> yeah it's a good idea to not to depend on Google too much anyways
<zimbatm> as long as it works
<ryantm> It worked last time for the three of us. Matthew was unable to connect with his iPhone.
<zimbatm> I think the WebRTC support in Safari is a bit neutered
<qyliss> tried Jitsi?
<qyliss> has always worked well for me -- we've been using it for Flakes RFC
<ryantm> Thanks for the suggestion. I've made https://meet.jit.si/nix-rfc-46 as a fallback we can try.
<qyliss> they have native apps so can work with iPhones and stuff
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<gchristensen> > Please allow access to your media devices
<{^_^}> undefined variable 'Please' at (string):271:1
<gchristensen> hrm. not good that firefox recently broke this
<MichaelRaskin> I have 70.0.1 and no problem
<ryantm> Ericson2314: Are you coming?
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<gchristensen> if you need to change your microphone / camera in this sipthor thing in chrome: chrome://settings/content/microphone and chrome://settings/content/camera
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<red[evilred]> This is awesome- I'm learning about all kinds of videoconferenceing options ;-)
<__monty__> I'm surprised matrix isn't an option : )
<__monty__> Tox might actually work as well.
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<MichaelRaskin> __monty__: Matrix is not really an option for the video chat, as it just (reasonably) embeds Jitsi (and Jitsi is an independent no-acount option anyway)
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<gchristensen> what if https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixos/trunk-combined/tested had a prometheus endpoint too
<gchristensen> hydra_aggregate_job_constituents_state_count{hydra_job="tested",jobset="trunk-combined",project="nixos",state=(success|failed|pending)} number-of-jobs-in-this-state
<gchristensen> prometheus can then scrape a few jobsets like that and even have an alert on how long it has been since all were success
<LnL> that's a great idea
<gchristensen> I have to say I'm really impressed with how well instrumented hydra already is
<gchristensen> if anyone wantsto add this, I'll merge the PR and add it to prom :)
<LnL> are there any alerts setup for the current data?
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<niksnut> yay, C++20 designated initializers already work in GCC 8
<niksnut> now C++ is complete
<gchristensen> nice
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<gchristensen> niksnut: I hear C++21 is going to have affine and linear types
<niksnut> for sure
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<gchristensen> _then_ it'll be complete :P
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<{^_^}> mesonbuild/meson#6185 (by jtojnar, 2 hours ago, open): environment: Only check compiler basename for compiler name
<infinisil> What a niche bug
<clever> infinisil: ive seen such a bug before in another package in nixpkgs
<clever> infinisil: if it found a given string in $PATH, it assumed the package is installed, and can be used
<worldofpeace> hah, that bug was pretty funny infinisil