gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<samueldr> yeah, mapping is generally done under one datum per country AFAIK
<samueldr> (well, official maps and such)
<samueldr> though I'm wondering how it all copes with subduction and uh, the thing that does the inverse
<gchristensen> production
<gchristensen> supduction
<samueldr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subduction though looks like the inverse isn't really named?
<samueldr> it has a name, but there subduction is a type of a convergent boundary
<gchristensen> wow
<samueldr> interesting!
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<gchristensen> I have a big list of scripts, and I'd like to run them 4 at a time. is there a nice way to do that with xargs?
<jackdk> -L 1 -P 4, maybe? check `man xargs`
<gchristensen> and then have xargs run `bash`?
<jackdk> something like that?
<gchristensen> seems pretty reasonable
<gchristensen> thanks, jackdk
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<pie_> well, im awake, now what
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<andi-> pie_: do awesome things!
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<eyJhb> ar: would suck always having your birthday in the middle of the week :(
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<etu> For me it's weird with calendars that starts on Sundays.
<etu> In my head, weeks starts with the first day of work -- which is Mondays.
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<eyJhb> etu: agreed. But isn't it only a very small number of calenders that start on sunday?
<etu> eyJhb: That one in the twitter link does
<etu> And US calendars tend to start on Sundays
<eyJhb> Was about to say (US), but that is another reason for a nay on the calender (jk).
<eyJhb> Btw. etu, you need to educate me on beautiful places in sweden
<etu> :D
<etu> eyJhb: For when?
<eyJhb> I am more and more sure I want to go, but I still need to plan something out.. :p Sweden is too big for me to just drive randomly around
<eyJhb> I was thining next week or the week after, I have no conrete days :/
<etu> eyJhb: There's a small city named Gränna, it's the origin of the candy known as "Polkagris". If you go there you will find places producing this as you watch it.
<etu> eyJhb: Grimeton is always nice as well if you have an interest in history about radio
<yorick> eyJhb: european calendar all start the week on monday, we banished the sunday-first people to the US a few hundred years ago
<etu> eyJhb: Grimeton is located near Varberg
<eyJhb> etu: sounds interesting! Also reminds me, I need to get these "car" marshmellows, just so I can eat them with crackers to piss off a friend
<eyJhb> *writing all this down :D
<eyJhb> Do you have any experience with... beautiful nature, or kayaking places?
<talyz> eyJhb: Ahlgrens Bilar? https://www.cloetta.se/ahlgrensbilar
<eyJhb> Yeeees, I think that is the one
<talyz> :D
<eyJhb> She was quite devastated when I said I normally eat roasted marshmallow with crackers... :|
<eyJhb> So I need to be extra hard and show dominace on this point!
<etu> eyJhb: This is the location for Beredskapsmuseet: https://osm.org/go/0NX7sKk2R-?m=&way=286852498 (Site: http://www.beredskapsmuseet.com/ ). They own the trademark of "En Svensk Tiger" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_svensk_tiger and is the only place in sweden selling merch with that branding.
<talyz> eyJhb: They might be a bit too small to use as marshmallows, but if you lump them together, maybe? :)
<etu> eyJhb: Stockholm has a lot of water, and I have rented kayaks in the past to paddle around in Stockholm. Which is nice. Way nicer than driving :p
<etu> eyJhb: But if you happen to come here (Stockholm) we should totally meet up and have dinner and stuff :)
<talyz> eyJhb: There are kayak rental places and even guided archipelago tours - http://www.truenaturesweden.com/kayak-archipelago-tours/
<talyz> ..in stockholm
<etu> :)
<eyJhb> talyz: she said they were bigger, might be.. a big edition of them?
<eyJhb> etu: Looks good! Will definitely look at it :D Kayaking around stockholm would be quite cool
<etu> eyJhb: Never seen a big edition of those
<eyJhb> And also, only if you promise not to kidnap me, but would definitely be nice to meet a fellow Nix'er ;)
<eyJhb> But I have a strong feeling, that I might get screwed in Sweden being that I am danish, and most assume that I understand Sweden easily
<etu> eyJhb: Me, talyz and my wife could pick you up in my car and go places. Like museums and for food and stuff :)
<eyJhb> I am a dofus at understanding Swedish, and I am a dofus at speaking clearly and clean Danish..
<talyz> eyJhb: Hm, maybe? I've only seen the small ones..
* etu is making promises for talyz here without asking first :D
<adisbladis> Swedish is easy, even the kids in sweden knows it.
<talyz> etu: Sounds good! :D
<etu> adisbladis :D
<eyJhb> etu: Lyder hyggeligt! Would definitely be interested :D - And always good to make promises for someone else ;)
<adisbladis> eyJhb: When are you heading there?
<eyJhb> adisbladis: no concrete plan yet at all, and still in-between, but I was thinking next week or the week after
<eyJhb> But I can only really plan after this weekend, depending on what my kayaking certification does to my shulder
* adisbladis is in stockholm 9-11 august
<eyJhb> There is a good chance I cannot use it for weeks...
<eyJhb> Soo many Swedes! Where are you normally located adisbladis ?
<adisbladis> eyJhb: In London
<etu> eyJhb: Me, adisbladis and talyz have been hanging out in meatspace since around like 2008 and later years more on the internet due to physical location changes :)
<eyJhb> Ahh, sounds nice :D
<eyJhb> Even though I had to lookup meatspace. I was waaaay to close to meatspin for me to be uncertain
<etu> :D
<Taneb> D:
<talyz> eyJhb: Ah, so they actually have a marshmallow version of them..
<eyJhb> talyz: yeeees :D Is it just me that normally use `marie kiks` with roasted marshmallows?
<talyz> eyJhb: Well, the only person I know in sweden who eats smores is american, but I think he used mariekex.. :)
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<eyJhb> talyz: makes sense.. But... Like.. I thought everyone did that? Might just be where I am from in Denmark
<eyJhb> srhb: can you confirm/deny?
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<adisbladis> ar: Golden
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<talyz> eyJhb: It might also be that I'm out of the loop on marshmallow eating ;)
<eyJhb> No one leaves the loop talyz ... ;)
<adisbladis> eyJhb: Maybe he never entered the loop?
<srhb> eyJhb: uuuh what :P
<srhb> I can't figure out what I'm either confirming or denying :P
<srhb> Oh, mariekiks and marshmallows. It's definitely not just you, seems more common in Jutland to me. Though that might just be the higher prevalence of campfires doing that. :P
<eyJhb> adisbladis: doesn't everybody enter the marshmallow loop?
<adisbladis> eyJhb: Well I'm not really a fan of marshmallows....
<eyJhb> srhb: yeah, you might be right... But that still raises the question, wth is w rong with her, she is from Jutland too
<Taneb> I maintain that store-bought marshmallows are infinitely inferior to home-made
<Taneb> But it's been years since I made any :(
<eyJhb> I have never, made them myself...
<adisbladis> The fact that most marshmallows are non-vegan also doesn't help
<Taneb> Home-made helps with that (you just need to find vegan gelatine, which is doable)
<adisbladis> Yeah, also nowadays there are good store bought vegan ones :)
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: Are you vegan? Good for you!
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: There are dozens of us! ;)
<jasongrossman> LLOL
<jasongrossman> It's good to know that there are some other vegan NixOSers.
<jasongrossman> I need advice about vegan things in Denmark. (But you live in Sweden, right?)
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: I live in the UK. Don't know much about the situation in denmark
<eyJhb> jasongrossman: Isn't it fairly easy to find vegan stuff in Denmark? Like most supermarkets have vegan things
<eyJhb> SuperBrugsen, Rema1000 especially as far as I remember
<jasongrossman> eyJhb: Great! (I'm not there yet. As you probably remember, my wife's going to be spending 3 months in Odense, and I'll probably visit.)
<adisbladis> etu: My dad told me about it :)
<eyJhb> Oh! I don't remember anything atm. I am really really bad at it, sorry :|
<adisbladis> I think it's pretty awesome
<jasongrossman> eyJhb: I didn't really think you'd remember. :-) I just mentioned it in passing ages ago.
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<eyJhb> jasongrossman: Haha fair, I would be a general good rule atm. for everyone, to know that I don't remember anything currently :p It is really bad, need to be a little less stressed
<jasongrossman> eyJhb: Sorry about the stress. Hugs.
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: Try to find the Naturli mince
<adisbladis> It's great
<adisbladis> And from denmark :)
<jasongrossman> Will do.
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: Where are you based usually?
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: Australia.
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<jasongrossman> adisbladis: And I used to work in a vegan shop so I know all about vegan stuff here.
<Taneb> Hmm, maybe I'll try to make marshmallows tonight
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: Here we get some vegan stuff from the USA and some from the UK. Plus Vegusto products from Switzerland - have you tried their cheese? It's really amazing.
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: I've only been to australia once and remembering the vegan situation there to be far worse than most of north europe
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<adisbladis> jasongrossman: Yeah I was all over vegusto before. Now I think there are better options
<adisbladis> And here in london we even have a fully vegan cheese shop <3
<eyJhb> I think it is fairly `easy` to eat vegan in DK at least
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: When was that? It's got much better in the last 5 years or so.
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: 2015/2016 I think?
<adisbladis> Also aus is huge :P It may be very different in different regions
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: The more bohemian suburbs in Sydney and Melbourne seem just as good as Brighton to me.
<jasongrossman> Absolutely different in different regions.
<adisbladis> I was around gold coast
<jasongrossman> AH
<jasongrossman> Right.
<adisbladis> I'd love to go back
<adisbladis> I absolutely loved it
<jasongrossman> Let me know if you do. http://xeny.net/contact
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: You're in /r/headphones too!
<adisbladis> :3
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* adisbladis is a nerd in more ways than one
<eyJhb> _DOZENS!_ :p
<adisbladis> :D
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: Actually I don't know many nerds who are into headphones.
<Taneb> I'm gonna be in Melbourne in November for family reasons
<Taneb> ...it's a long journey from here
<jasongrossman> Taneb: I'll be a few hundred km away, but let me know if I can do anything to help from that distance.
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: You're even a custom IEM fan. You are actually me.
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: Yeah :) Gear?
<jasongrossman> I'm not very opinionated about CIEMs, having only tried one pair, but I use them for two or three hours every day. They're Unique Melody Miracles. And for non-portable phones I've just recently switched from Stax Lambda Pros to Stax Sigma Pros.
<jasongrossman> And you?
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: Well I guess you saw my CIEMs :) At home I'm using HD800S
<jasongrossman> Cool.
<jasongrossman> How does anybody get to have opinions about CIEMs? Is it from first principles or do they actually try several pairs somehow?
<jasongrossman> My wife likes hybrid IEMs, and also Oatly.
<adisbladis> I tried ~40-50 universals before I settled on this one
<jasongrossman> So you made an educated guess that a good universal would make a good CIEM? I guess that's reasonable.
<adisbladis> I listened to the universal version in the shop and made some mental compensation for the changed bass response
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: Pretty much
<adisbladis> I've had custom tips before so I know roughly what to expect
<jasongrossman> Good plan. If I had it to do again I'd do it that way.
<adisbladis> I was >< this close to getting a pair of kumitate's blindly. Luckily I found them in a shop before and it turned out it wasn't my sound
<jasongrossman> My theory is that frequency response is not important anyway, unless it's WAY out. You get used to whatever you have. Which is not the case for other things like instrument separation.
<jasongrossman> Glad you escaped the kemitates.
<jasongrossman> * kumitates
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: I disagree.. I hate v-shaped FR
<jasongrossman> I hate it too. Hm. My theory is that it's less important than people usually think. Maybe we do disagree.
<jasongrossman> My theory might be wishful thinking because until very recently I was unwilling to spend enough to get really good quality AND a reasonably flat FR.
<jasongrossman> But, you know, haven't you seen people who try a billion different headphones and only ever talk about the FR?
<jasongrossman> I'm a total instrument-separation wonk.
<adisbladis> Of course..
<adisbladis> And I guess that makes sense too since it's the most blatantly obvious thing
<adisbladis> And imho most reviewers are not skilled enough to talk about technicalities
<jasongrossman> Yeah.
<adisbladis> jasongrossman: What kind of music are you in to?
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: Progressive rock, modernist classical, some modern jazz.
<jasongrossman> adisbladis: Bedtime here. Have a good afternoon!
<adisbladis> o\
<adisbladis> \o
<eyJhb> Anyone see anything wrong with `INSERT INTO pods_tags (pod_id, tag) VALUES(?, ?) ON CONFLICT(tag) IGNORE` ?
<eyJhb> Nvm, being stupid
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<gchristensen> cc aanderse ^
<aanderse> :-O
<aanderse> heh
<aanderse> awesome, looking forward to it... hopefully i can attend in more than a just listening capacity
<aanderse> i think i can
<gchristensen> fingers crossed
<gchristensen> (I'm sooort of hoping the short notice will reduce the number of people who can come to the very first one :))
<ashkitten> i love how easy it is to build my own custom nixos install medium with nix
<gchristensen> ashkitten: would you like to write a blog post about that? :)
<ashkitten> ahahhaa
* gchristensen is now known as gchristensen`marketing-shill
<ashkitten> you think i'll update my blog? my blog hasn't been updated in months!
* colemickens grumbles even harder about wiki syntax
<gchristensen> yeah they all suck
<manveru> gchristensen: maybe `NIXPKGS_ALLOW_UNFREE=1` for that instruction :)
<manveru> man, i finally think i got productive with css grid and it feels like cheating
<gchristensen> oh cool thanks
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<colemickens> I walked a few blocks from my airbnb today and wound up in "The Bitcoin Cafe / Paralelni Polis" in Prague. The one that hosts Hacker Congress, and there's a 24hour hackathon/event starting tomorrow night. Feel lucky, maybe a dash of fate. :)
<colemickens> well, it's a three day hackathon, but they're open all day/night so I can wander in when I'm bored tomorrow night :D
<gchristensen> oh cool
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<__monty__> It's funny how html tables styled with css are frowned upon but the latest and greatest in styling is css grid.
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<joepie91> __monty__: CSS grids are legitimately a better option than tables; aside from the obvious semantic benefit (namely: table means tabular data), they are a lot more controllable layout-wise from CSS without violating the semantics in the document, which means you can use them properly in responsive design
<joepie91> __monty__: the problem with tables for layout was never with the grid-based approach; it was with the implementation of tables - both rendering-wise and API-wise - being unsuitable for layouts
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<joepie91> thus, CSS grids are just a (long-overdue) implementation of the long-considered-valid objective of grid-based layout, without the implementation downsides
<joepie91> my only criticism is that they should have been implemented a decade ago
<gchristensen> joepie91: remember the bad old days when "tables" was a bad word, and people invented tables with CSS, for tabular data?
<__monty__> joepie91: That misses the entire joke though.
<gchristensen> I remember those days. that was roughly when I moved away from the fronted as a day-to-day task
<samueldr> that was ridiculous, because tables are great... at being tables
<gchristensen> so silly!
<samueldr> they reflow relatively well
<samueldr> which you cannot do fluidly without tables
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<joepie91> samueldr: reflow in what sense?
<samueldr> not setting width, and letting the table handle the width of columns
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<gchristensen> you know, tabular stuff :P
<joepie91> oh, in that sense, yeah
<joepie91> that's a requirement I've only ever seen with tabular data though, for which tables are fine
<joepie91> unfortunately that detail seems to have gotten lost in the hype back then...
<joepie91> so suddenly tables were Evil
<samueldr> yep
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<manveru> hehe
<manveru> i think it's funny that HN is still using table based layout after all
<manveru> and nobody gives a damn
<infinisil> manveru: What's wrong with it?
<manveru> i also did my fair share of that, i just find css grid qualitatively better for responsive design :)
<manveru> and HN is many things, but not responsive...
<manveru> that's the only reason i use a mobile app for it
<infinisil> Okay I can definitely *not* confirm that
<manveru> maybe my fingers are too fat for it?
<infinisil> Comments expand/collapse instantly for me, everything loads fast
<infinisil> On my desktop at least
<manveru> well, i'd say try it on your phone for a while, for me it was more an exercise in frustration
<manveru> lobste.rs is much better in that regard
<infinisil> Hm yeah no it's not a problem for me, just checked. Using safari on an iphone 6 plus
<manveru> ff on android here
<infinisil> But yeah if their bad web design causes problems for some people they should probably fix this
<manveru> did they change much at all in the last 10 years?
<manveru> i think it's essentially the same, and i'm very thankful for that alone :)
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<colemickens> yay, Intel Iris without rebuilding the world: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Intel_Graphics
<samueldr> I'm having troubles finding info about iris, about whether it's ix-8xxx+ only or if it would work too for the previous gens?
<samueldr> (I kinda assume it's only for the new stuff)
<andi-> I think they wrote it is only for new stuff
<andi-> looked into it when they first announced/released something about it. My lapto ix-6xxx isn't supported
<samueldr> right, searching iris in the mesa repo isn't fruitful for docs
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