gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<gchristensen> " So far, Microsoft has embraced open source, and continue to extend the projects they’ve become involved with. I can’t wait to see what comes next." -- https://hackaday.com/2019/04/01/bye-bye-vi-gnu-linux-distros-drop-support/
<jasongrossman> gchristensen: Nice one.
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<jackdk> good joke gchristensen. I'm disappointed that I have to explicitly add the standard unix text editor to systemPackages on nixos.
<samueldr> ed?
<jackdk> ed.
<jackdk> I installed nixos on an pi at one stage, and its ncurses was weird and didn't play nice with nano. So I wrote configuration.nix using the standard editor.
<samueldr> uphill in the snow both ways?
<jackdk> it wasn't that hard tbqh, once you got past the idea of doing keyhole surgery on text files
<samueldr> :) poking fun
<jackdk> :)
<jackdk> I would waste so much paper if I was using an actual tty though - I had to print some pretty large chunks of text to remember where I was
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<Arahael> jackdk: I actually suspect that ed is the *ideal* text editor for blind developers.
<Arahael> It surely has the best interface for use with a braille tty.
<jackdk> there's a web-browser called edbrowse written by a blind Frenchman, IIRC
<Arahael> THe modern web is probably horrible for the blind.
<Arahael> (Ironically, the iPhone is probably amazingly good at that, provided they're not also deaf).
<jackdk> -1s/ for the blind//p
<jackdk> to borrow ed notation
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<Arahael> Ain't that the truth. :(
<jasongrossman> I have a blind friend. They use a text-to-speech program plus fairly normal Windows.
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<gchristensen> Windows is much more accessible
<gchristensen> "permission to make digital or hard copies of portions of this work for classroom use is also granted,but seems ill-advised" hehehe
<gchristensen> "The RPM Package Manager (RPM) is a popular Linux utility designed to destroy your computer. We extend its destructive capabilities to include dynamically building the list of upstream code sources based on the list of upstream code sources."
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<clever> ,tofu
<{^_^}> To get a sha256 hash of a new source, you can use the Trust On First Use model: use probably-wrong hash (for example: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000) then replace it with the correct hash Nix expected.
<Taneb> clever: same number of 0s as a deck of cards
* srhb looks at her Ancestral Recall with confusion
<clever> Taneb: heh, that could help
<Taneb> srhb: isn't standard played with 52 cards? :P
<srhb> Taneb: 60 minimum I think?
<srhb> But it's been... Many many years :P
<Taneb> I've got a personal rule to never spend money on Magic, it's the kind of thing I'd... get really into if I let myself
<Taneb> But I've played a little (borrowing a friend's commander deck when I was at uni, and a bit of Arena since)
<srhb> Taneb: Same here. I stay away. Not the only thing I have that rule about, too. xD
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<clever> > { a=1; b=2; c=3; } // { c=4; }
<{^_^}> { a = 1; b = 2; c = 4; }
<clever> pie__: ^^^
<pie__> clever, yeah i at least get that much 'xD
<clever> > lib.fix (self: { a=1; b = self.a + 2; }
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting ')', at (string):244:1
<clever> > lib.fix (self: { a=1; b = self.a + 2; })
<{^_^}> { a = 1; b = <CODE>; }
<infinisil> > :p lib.fix (self: { a=1; b = self.a + 2; })
<{^_^}> { a = 1; b = 3; }
<infinisil> clever: ^
<clever> infinisil: ah, just like nix-repl
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<manveru> > Guix is a philosophy and lifestyle choice, and Nix is a package manager -- r/haskell
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ')', at (string):243:42
<ldlework> lol
<ldlework> true, my goal with nix is to use it as little as possible
<manveru> :)
<manveru> dunno, i kinda enjoy using it... but it's rough like early git still
<manveru> not that git is _that_ much better now, but there are hundreds of wrappers that make the core aspect of it easy to use for everyday folk
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<manveru> so i'm happy that people are working on that :)
<ldlework> manveru: my point is that it is so reliable that once something works you don't really have to keep fussing with it
<manveru> i guess... if you don't jump projects all day?
<manveru> at least my "time spent per language" stats say that i spend the majority of a week in nix...
<manveru> just had to figure out how to setup a haskell dev env, and i still haven't gotten that perfect yet :(
<manveru> but yeah, it's pretty amazing when i come back to a project a year later and it still works
<manveru> just have to make sure not to rely on <nixpkgs> :)
<manveru> anw, better still would be for something like nixster or nixml to find wider adoption
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