gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<joepie91> gchristensen: "it" = ?
<gchristensen> ripcord
<joepie91> gchristensen: I don't use Slack or Discord at all, so it's entirely irrelevant to me :P
<joepie91> I've stopped using proprietary IM systems
<gchristensen> :|
<gchristensen> one of my slack channels has 8,000 people in it and I can't leave
<samueldr> 8000 people seems a good reason to leave?
<joepie91> gchristensen: fwiw, if you like pain but also like lower RAM usage, there is a slack implementation for libpurple I believe
<gchristensen> definitely would rather run slack than libpurple :P
<joepie91> :)
<joepie91> but yeah, this sort of nonsense is a large part of *why* I've stopped using proprietary IM systems
<joepie91> MSN was tolerable back when it was a thing
<joepie91> since then it's only gotten worse
<gchristensen> I'm just not sure how you avoid slack and still are able to do work :P
<gchristensen> every client I work with is on Slack :|
<joepie91> gchristensen: my students either already use IRC, or they have no issues installing an XMPP client; the few software dev clients I've worked with so far, I all found through IRC
<gchristensen> nice
<joepie91> and I tend to avoid the larger organizations, so usually I only have one person I need to interact with
<joepie91> (that's also why I don't increase my rates :P)
<joepie91> (preferring smaller clients, that is)
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<jackdk> the sad thing is we almost escaped this, but of course all the bigco XMPP-backed services federated until they were big enough to pull the ladder up behind themselves
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<samueldr> the short/long scale bit really worries me
<samueldr> because I'm sure it's not respected well here when using source material from english-speaking parts of the world
<gchristensen> no joke!
<gchristensen> shocking to me that words like "trillion" mean totally different things
<gchristensen> I found this by searching what "nonagintillion" meant, when https://howsecureismypassword.net/ told me my password would take 12 nonagintillion years to crack it
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* infinisil is in the long scale part of the world
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<samueldr> where I'm from I'm sure next to no one knows which part of the world they're in (regarding numbers)
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<infinisil> There's a guy playing accordion on twitch! https://www.twitch.tv/eighthradio
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<_Geeko_> i am here
<Taneb> The version of haddock with GHC 8.6 in nixpkgs 19.03 is going to make it difficult for me to switch at work :(
<_Geeko_> anyone has solution against stutters?
<_Geeko_> using latest drivers with gtx 1060
<manveru> _Geeko_: i haven't played csgo in ages, only know that dota2 is fluid for me
<_Geeko_> or it has to do with my cpu that is throttling
<_Geeko_> i don't have it in every distro :/
<manveru> did you set it to performance mode?
<_Geeko_> was going to do that now
<manveru> usually only a problem on notebooks though
<_Geeko_> ye using notebook
<manveru> then that'd be my first guess
<_Geeko_> can you make it so in nix it is always in performance mode?
<manveru> yeah
<manveru> powerManagement.cpuFreqGovernor = "performance"
<_Geeko_> ty
<_Geeko_> btw you know as well to make a daemon running?
<_Geeko_> automatically
<manveru> which daemon?
<_Geeko_> ckb
<_Geeko_> its like a package in nix
<_Geeko_> i always need to run it manually every boot
<manveru> there's hardware.ckb-next
<_Geeko_> i need to add that?
<manveru> so `hardware.ckb-next.enable = true;` should do it
<_Geeko_> so easy haha
<manveru> nixos is awesome for gaming man :)
<_Geeko_> used arch before
<Taneb> manveru: second half of that sentenec is unnecessary
<manveru> :D
<manveru> true that
<_Geeko_> just like 4 days with nixos
<_Geeko_> i like the idea behind it
<manveru> i'm coming from arch as well
<manveru> well, had a short void phase in between, but eventually i just couldn't stand imperative sysops anymore :|
<manveru> nixos is much more "make it so" instead of "time to fiddle with every fucking knob to tune my system for every major update"
<manveru> and as a result i can configure steam for my games, my OS for stability, my home for ricing, and they all work happily alongside :)
<manveru> plus nix-shell for every insane dev environment i have to use this week
<_Geeko_> ok done
<_Geeko_> will test it later :D
<manveru> :)
<_Geeko_> hopefully that solved it
<_Geeko_> the only thing i find bit weird when you see error from rebuild
<_Geeko_> it states a line
<manveru> haven't played csgo since 2013... should try it again sometime
<_Geeko_> but half of the time that line is incorrect?
<manveru> that might be
<manveru> `--show-trace` usually helps a bit
<manveru> but tracking down the exact point of failure takes a lot of practice in some weird cases :|
<manveru> so if you can't figure out something, don't be afraid to ask, we'll be happy to help
<samueldr> sometimes you have to look at the few lines from the bottom or top of the stack, and sometimes, especially with lists, the error happens when nix uses the list, but it doesn't really know it has to say "it's _that_ list where there is an issue"
<_Geeko_> ye i already did for dual boot
<_Geeko_> was not too easy lol
<_Geeko_> but azazel helped me really well
<_Geeko_> and than clever for some xfce themeing :D
<_Geeko_> lovely community
<_Geeko_> manveru and now you ;)
<_Geeko_> manveru what is your gpu?
<_Geeko_> same as mine :D
<_Geeko_> same kernel
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<manveru> anw, gotta get back to work
<_Geeko_> laters bro!
<manveru> cu :)
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<andi-> Grub skipped version 2.03 and is releasing a 2.04 instead o.O
<andi-> oh that seems to be tradition since the 2.00 versions.. Never noticed that. Just noticed that releases take forever
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<eyJhb> When you find a new Python project, and see "global" all over it. I died a little inside
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<samueldr> andi-: literally wake me up when grub releases a new version
<samueldr> I'm waiting on that for armv7l efi boot fixes :/
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<andi-> samueldr: they tagged an RC.. I just checked the repo because I wanted to submit a patch.. Now ill have to compile my own grubs for another few years /o\
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<samueldr> another few years seems about right :/
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<sphalerite> andi-: it's probably the odd=unstable convention?
<sphalerite> andi-: it's followed by GNOME too, and was followed by linux until 3.x iirc too
<sphalerite> back when semver wasn't the hot shit
<andi-> I figured.. Just feels a bit odd since it is grub
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<colemickens> Also new with systemd 242 is the ability for booting the system where the root file-system is setup as an OverlayFS mount with a root-only root directory with a writable TMPFS. In other words, the underlying root device is not modified albeit all changes lost at reboot.
<tilpner> Ooooh
<sphalerite> colemickens: oh so like the nspawn stuff but for the real system? neat
<colemickens> Yeah, next sentence goes on to talk about nspawn, I should've linked it: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-242
<infinisil> Hey I'm considering getting another VPS, what are your recommendations? I'm currently considering https://prgmr.com/
<eyJhb> infinisil: just stay away from DDosVM (BuyVM)
<tilpner> infinisil: Hetzner has good prices, Vultr was okay too. Haven't tried smaller providers
<infinisil> I personally don't mind paying a bit more to get more reliability and service
<tilpner> Yeah... Hetzner support is very quick at being no help at all :/
<tilpner> "Min Network Out@congestion: 2.5Mbps" sounds like something you'd want to research though
<tilpner> How often do they have "congestion"?
<infinisil> gchristensen once linked https://epycly.com/ which looked pretty fancy, but their cert being expired makes it a no-go :P
<sphalerite> also their remote console for dedicated servers is a javaws application that doesn't encrypt its traffic \o/
<sphalerite> although if you're going for a VPS that doesn't affect you I guess
<infinisil> tilpner: Yeah not sure about that, will have to research all my options
<tilpner> sphalerite: I did terrible things to get that working. It involved editing the jnlp file and a VPN
<sphalerite> tilpner: lol
<gchristensen> I don't suppose Packet is within the budget
<gchristensen> not a VPS thoough
<tilpner> sphalerite: After ~4 months of struggling with the SB24 freezing I upgraded to a different machine type, which hasn't crashed... yet
<infinisil> gchristensen: Yeah that seems bit too expensive for what I need
<tilpner> And after all that frustration I definitely see the value in a VPS
<gchristensen> understandable
<infinisil> tilpner: Hmm that wiki page gives me too many options!
<infinisil> But at least I know which exist and can research them a bit
<tilpner> infinisil: If you ask this question again, you should specify what locations you need, what your price range is, and what features/resources you require. Right now it's just "name providers you like"
<tilpner> Which... isn't wrong either
<infinisil> Ah yeah good point
<tilpner> But e.g. my Hetzner Cloud recommendation can be completely irrelevant if you require US locations
<infinisil> Location europe, price range ~10$/mo and all I need is a public ip and a CPU, no special requirements
<infinisil> Should work with most providers
<tilpner> I would still recommend Hetzner Cloud. More value is good, and the support isn't as terrible as I made it sound (they'll do what you ask quickly, they just won't think for you)
<infinisil> I see, I'll take a look
<tilpner> Compared to OVH support, they're fantastic
<tilpner> (Based on a sample size of 1)
<joepie91> that is not especially difficult :)
<tilpner> (1 sample on OVH side, about 15 on Hetzners side)
<joepie91> in my experience, OVH's support is somewhere between "what?" and "please restart the server"
<tilpner> And then they still take two weeks to reply?
<infinisil> Hetzner does have pretty good prices :o
<infinisil> $10 for 8GB RAM, 80GB disk
<joepie91> infinisil: https://www.hetzner.com/sb :P
<joepie91> (dedicated though, not VPS)
<tilpner> Pssht
<tilpner> Don't trick them into that trap
<infinisil> What happens with dedicated servers when they break?
<infinisil> Because with VPS they can just transparently switch out components
<joepie91> infinisil: hardware gets replaced
<joepie91> and it's not that 'transparent' with a VPS either :)
<tilpner> They offer you to replace anything, you shut your server down for a while, and they boot it up ~45 minutes later
<joepie91> only if it's the disk that breaks, same with a RAID (with redundancy) setup on dedicated
<infinisil> I see
<tilpner> Note that they give you used drives and you should run extended self-tests on any disk they give you
<infinisil> Yeah but VPS is enough for me :)
<joepie91> also, a thing to keep in mind: you don't actually need a RAID card for RAID, mdadm (software RAID) is generally a much better option
<joepie91> so you can do that with any dedicated server with >1 drive
<infinisil> joepie91: Yeah I know about that, I would use ZFS's zraids
<joepie91> right
<tilpner> You mean a mirror, right?
<joepie91> tilpner: with 2 drives that'd be a mirror
<joepie91> but I mean any kind of redundancy
<infinisil> tilpner: Ah right, mirror > raid :)
<tilpner> For two drives (which most of the lower-end auction server have), a raidz* doesn't work
<tilpner> And then there's rebuild time issue if you have more (which you don't)
<infinisil> How can Hetzner be so much cheaper than anybody else..
<tilpner> For the dedicated servers, they also use consumer hardware
<tilpner> For the cloud offering, I'm not sure. They probably just benefit from the scale they already had and chose a lower margin
<tilpner> I had cloud servers with them for over a year, and only one small problem which they quickly fixed
<tilpner> (Something was wrong about the host my VM was on, so memory was slower than it should have been. One ticket and it was fixed)
<infinisil> I see
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<_Geeko_> hi guys
<tilpner> But I understand why you would be suspicious of them, I was too
<_Geeko_> suspicious about what? :O
<tilpner> Of the low prices for Hetzners servers
<_Geeko_> ic
<_Geeko_> i am using contabo
<_Geeko_> you would be suspicious of their prices as well :D
<ar> infinisil: with mirror vdevs there's a non-0 chance you'll lose all your data when you lose 2 disks.
<infinisil> ar: Good point..
<ar> infinisil: also, because of zfs expansion pain, i strongly consider migrating to a single-node ceph
<_Geeko_> btw guys which DE's are you using?
<ar> _Geeko_: services.xserver.desktopManager.default = "none"; services.xserver.windowManager.i3.enable = true;
<infinisil> ar: ZFS expansion pain?
<ar> infinisil: say, you have an 8 disk raidz2 pool. want to add 2 more disks.
<infinisil> Ah yeah, once a vdev is used, you can't really change how it is used
<ar> right now i have two machines with 8-disk raidz2 pools, one with 6T drives and the other with 12T drives
<ar> i wouldn't mind using my other boxes as ceph monitors and pooling all my storage together
<_Geeko_> ar i3 wm is cool but i am not used to it yet
<ar> (because 2-node clusters don't work (regardless of what you cluster, mind you, because you can't decide which copy is correct in case of a split brain) and iirc you realistically want at least 5 monitors)
<colemickens> whoa, OCI runtime support for nspawn! how did I miss that
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<infinisil> joepie91: Who is that?
<infinisil> Oh from switzerland :o
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<growpotkin> Hey does anyone have good suggestions for manpaging tools?
<growpotkin> I would love to have a better cli for finding pages, and navigating between them
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<infinisil> growpotkin: There are info pages..
<infinisil> If you can figure out how to use them properly, I certainly couldn't, but maybe I just didn't spend enough time on it
<gchristensen> colemickens: starting to be annoyed by firefox stuttering when gifs / videos play on the screen
<andi-> hu? Do you have an example of/where that happens?
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<_Geeko_> hi guys
<_Geeko_> btw i noticed while gaming my cpu gets bit too hot on nixos
<_Geeko_> i installed tlp and thermald already but seems not to do anything
<_Geeko_> any suggestions?
<andi-> whats the govenro you configured in tlp?
<_Geeko_> i set it on performance
<_Geeko_> bc i had some stutters in csgo
<andi-> you could just set the default govenor to something other then performance to let it cool down..
<andi-> but yeah
<andi-> usually CPUs throttle themselfes these days
<andi-> and are spammy about it in dmesg
<_Geeko_> ye but idk why i just have this on nixos
<_Geeko_> on arch i did not had this issue
<andi-> (also probably #nixos would be fine for this kind of thing as it isn't off-topic :-) )
<andi-> Whats the difference other then the distro? ;-)
<_Geeko_> packages
<_Geeko_> but idk which ones i installed anymore
<andi-> also how do you judge it gets too hot?
<_Geeko_> 82 degree
<_Geeko_> that causes throttle
<_Geeko_> i mean if i do it on other mode it causes random stutter with performance its less but starts doing it after a while
<_Geeko_> so i assume the temps are doing that
<_Geeko_> or maybe tlp and thermald are not a good option together?
<andi-> never used thermald
<jasongrossman> FWIW, my CPU runs much cooler on NixOS than it did on Arch ... I know that doesn't help directly.
<_Geeko_> removed thermald now
<_Geeko_> lets see if that does something
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<gchristensen> I've tricked Nix in to Aborting and I feel like such a chump having no idea what to do
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