<joepie91>
gchristensen: I don't use Slack or Discord at all, so it's entirely irrelevant to me :P
<joepie91>
I've stopped using proprietary IM systems
<gchristensen>
:|
<gchristensen>
one of my slack channels has 8,000 people in it and I can't leave
<samueldr>
8000 people seems a good reason to leave?
<joepie91>
gchristensen: fwiw, if you like pain but also like lower RAM usage, there is a slack implementation for libpurple I believe
<gchristensen>
definitely would rather run slack than libpurple :P
<joepie91>
:)
<joepie91>
but yeah, this sort of nonsense is a large part of *why* I've stopped using proprietary IM systems
<joepie91>
MSN was tolerable back when it was a thing
<joepie91>
since then it's only gotten worse
<gchristensen>
I'm just not sure how you avoid slack and still are able to do work :P
<gchristensen>
every client I work with is on Slack :|
<joepie91>
gchristensen: my students either already use IRC, or they have no issues installing an XMPP client; the few software dev clients I've worked with so far, I all found through IRC
<gchristensen>
nice
<joepie91>
and I tend to avoid the larger organizations, so usually I only have one person I need to interact with
<joepie91>
(that's also why I don't increase my rates :P)
<joepie91>
(preferring smaller clients, that is)
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<jackdk>
the sad thing is we almost escaped this, but of course all the bigco XMPP-backed services federated until they were big enough to pull the ladder up behind themselves
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<samueldr>
the short/long scale bit really worries me
<samueldr>
because I'm sure it's not respected well here when using source material from english-speaking parts of the world
<gchristensen>
no joke!
<gchristensen>
shocking to me that words like "trillion" mean totally different things
<gchristensen>
I found this by searching what "nonagintillion" meant, when https://howsecureismypassword.net/ told me my password would take 12 nonagintillion years to crack it
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* infinisil
is in the long scale part of the world
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<samueldr>
where I'm from I'm sure next to no one knows which part of the world they're in (regarding numbers)
<_Geeko_>
btw you know as well to make a daemon running?
<_Geeko_>
automatically
<manveru>
which daemon?
<_Geeko_>
ckb
<_Geeko_>
its like a package in nix
<_Geeko_>
i always need to run it manually every boot
<manveru>
there's hardware.ckb-next
<_Geeko_>
i need to add that?
<manveru>
so `hardware.ckb-next.enable = true;` should do it
<_Geeko_>
so easy haha
<manveru>
nixos is awesome for gaming man :)
<_Geeko_>
used arch before
<Taneb>
manveru: second half of that sentenec is unnecessary
<manveru>
:D
<manveru>
true that
<_Geeko_>
just like 4 days with nixos
<_Geeko_>
i like the idea behind it
<manveru>
i'm coming from arch as well
<manveru>
well, had a short void phase in between, but eventually i just couldn't stand imperative sysops anymore :|
<manveru>
nixos is much more "make it so" instead of "time to fiddle with every fucking knob to tune my system for every major update"
<manveru>
and as a result i can configure steam for my games, my OS for stability, my home for ricing, and they all work happily alongside :)
<manveru>
plus nix-shell for every insane dev environment i have to use this week
<_Geeko_>
ok done
<_Geeko_>
will test it later :D
<manveru>
:)
<_Geeko_>
hopefully that solved it
<_Geeko_>
the only thing i find bit weird when you see error from rebuild
<_Geeko_>
it states a line
<manveru>
haven't played csgo since 2013... should try it again sometime
<_Geeko_>
but half of the time that line is incorrect?
<manveru>
that might be
<manveru>
`--show-trace` usually helps a bit
<manveru>
but tracking down the exact point of failure takes a lot of practice in some weird cases :|
<manveru>
so if you can't figure out something, don't be afraid to ask, we'll be happy to help
<samueldr>
sometimes you have to look at the few lines from the bottom or top of the stack, and sometimes, especially with lists, the error happens when nix uses the list, but it doesn't really know it has to say "it's _that_ list where there is an issue"
<_Geeko_>
ye i already did for dual boot
<_Geeko_>
was not too easy lol
<_Geeko_>
but azazel helped me really well
<_Geeko_>
and than clever for some xfce themeing :D
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<manveru>
anw, gotta get back to work
<_Geeko_>
laters bro!
<manveru>
cu :)
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<andi->
Grub skipped version 2.03 and is releasing a 2.04 instead o.O
<andi->
oh that seems to be tradition since the 2.00 versions.. Never noticed that. Just noticed that releases take forever
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<eyJhb>
When you find a new Python project, and see "global" all over it. I died a little inside
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<samueldr>
andi-: literally wake me up when grub releases a new version
<samueldr>
I'm waiting on that for armv7l efi boot fixes :/
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<andi->
samueldr: they tagged an RC.. I just checked the repo because I wanted to submit a patch.. Now ill have to compile my own grubs for another few years /o\
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<samueldr>
another few years seems about right :/
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<sphalerite>
andi-: it's probably the odd=unstable convention?
<sphalerite>
andi-: it's followed by GNOME too, and was followed by linux until 3.x iirc too
<sphalerite>
back when semver wasn't the hot shit
<andi->
I figured.. Just feels a bit odd since it is grub
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<colemickens>
Also new with systemd 242 is the ability for booting the system where the root file-system is setup as an OverlayFS mount with a root-only root directory with a writable TMPFS. In other words, the underlying root device is not modified albeit all changes lost at reboot.
<tilpner>
Ooooh
<sphalerite>
colemickens: oh so like the nspawn stuff but for the real system? neat
<gchristensen>
I don't suppose Packet is within the budget
<gchristensen>
not a VPS thoough
<tilpner>
sphalerite: After ~4 months of struggling with the SB24 freezing I upgraded to a different machine type, which hasn't crashed... yet
<infinisil>
gchristensen: Yeah that seems bit too expensive for what I need
<tilpner>
And after all that frustration I definitely see the value in a VPS
<gchristensen>
understandable
<infinisil>
tilpner: Hmm that wiki page gives me too many options!
<infinisil>
But at least I know which exist and can research them a bit
<tilpner>
infinisil: If you ask this question again, you should specify what locations you need, what your price range is, and what features/resources you require. Right now it's just "name providers you like"
<tilpner>
Which... isn't wrong either
<infinisil>
Ah yeah good point
<tilpner>
But e.g. my Hetzner Cloud recommendation can be completely irrelevant if you require US locations
<infinisil>
Location europe, price range ~10$/mo and all I need is a public ip and a CPU, no special requirements
<infinisil>
Should work with most providers
<tilpner>
I would still recommend Hetzner Cloud. More value is good, and the support isn't as terrible as I made it sound (they'll do what you ask quickly, they just won't think for you)
<infinisil>
I see, I'll take a look
<tilpner>
Compared to OVH support, they're fantastic
<tilpner>
(Based on a sample size of 1)
<joepie91>
that is not especially difficult :)
<tilpner>
(1 sample on OVH side, about 15 on Hetzners side)
<joepie91>
in my experience, OVH's support is somewhere between "what?" and "please restart the server"
<tilpner>
And then they still take two weeks to reply?
<infinisil>
Hetzner does have pretty good prices :o
<ar>
infinisil: say, you have an 8 disk raidz2 pool. want to add 2 more disks.
<infinisil>
Ah yeah, once a vdev is used, you can't really change how it is used
<ar>
right now i have two machines with 8-disk raidz2 pools, one with 6T drives and the other with 12T drives
<ar>
i wouldn't mind using my other boxes as ceph monitors and pooling all my storage together
<_Geeko_>
ar i3 wm is cool but i am not used to it yet
<ar>
(because 2-node clusters don't work (regardless of what you cluster, mind you, because you can't decide which copy is correct in case of a split brain) and iirc you realistically want at least 5 monitors)
<colemickens>
whoa, OCI runtime support for nspawn! how did I miss that