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<elvishjerricco>
Is 11" too small a screen for programming on, considering the keyboard also has to be small?
<jackdk>
I did all my programming on a netbook for a few years. It's going to depend on the user - I had to make the font tiny and the keyboard took a fair amount of adjusting. biggest constraint for that little machine was performance
<elvishjerricco>
I only use my laptop for SSH'ing into my desktop so perf isn't a major issue
<jackdk>
then it's going to be limited by your tolerance for smaller screens and keyboards. I found it doable
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<LnL>
samueldr: did I not add that to the changelog?
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<etu>
lol matrix :)
<etu>
Bouncy today
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<eyJhb>
srhb: I would have never guessed you were a fellow Dane!
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<srhb>
eyJhb: I'm not sure how to take that xD
<eyJhb>
srhb: I am not quite sure how I meant it either :p For a secound I thought you were a girl from my highschool, as she is named Broholt, and it was fairly close!
<eyJhb>
Have you taken a sample, and know how many Nix danes we are?! :p
<srhb>
Haha! I think we're not quite in the same age bracket.
<srhb>
eyJhb: Yes, and just recently adamt and johanot and co. arranged a Nix meetup in CPH.
<srhb>
eyJhb: Another one coming up in maybe a month. :)
<eyJhb>
srhb: currently fourth semester at Aalborg University, so only 21 ... :p - Always CPH... So far away from Aalborg :(
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<srhb>
eyJhb: Yeah, sorry :P
<srhb>
But it would be interesting to learn how many there are in Jutland :)
<eyJhb>
srhb: tshh, soon we will overtake the world (*Denmark), hmm.. I only know one other guy doing his PhD currently. He was the one who got me into it.. But he only uses, and doesn't contribute :/
<srhb>
eyJhb: The difference is usually only peer pressure. Easy. :P
<eyJhb>
But I have a tough time just getting people from my group/social circles to use Linux in the first place....
<eyJhb>
I have converted like .... 10 people to Linux! BUt none to Nix :(
<srhb>
Oh, I think Linux is still fairly big on compsci at DIKU.
<srhb>
But Nix, yeah, not so much..
<eyJhb>
also fairly big here, buuuut... There will always be some! And there are only like... 14 studying the same as me.. Computer science, maybe some more..
<eyJhb>
But our computer engineers are mainly Windows because some dipshit forces them to use C# and think it is the only real language
<srhb>
Sad!
<eyJhb>
Yeah... Generally AAU have some problems with loving Windows and microsoft HARD.... FOrcing employees to use Windows somewhat
<srhb>
:(
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<eyJhb>
srhb: They use Skype for all calls, which, does not work on Linux
<srhb>
eyJhb: Don't worry, soon hangouts will be closed as well, then we really get to suffer...
<manveru>
eyJhb: did they change skype? i've used it a lot in the past on linux...
<joepie91>
Skype has always ""worked"" on Linux
<joepie91>
:p
<joepie91>
one particularly irritating failure mode was the client freezing up with zero indication
<joepie91>
so you'd be offline for days believing you were online because that's what the tray icon claimed
<manveru>
also pidgin does skype?
<manveru>
i don't really have any friends that still use it... IM is still a fucking mess though
<manveru>
discord, line, telegram, whatsapp, slack, signal, threema, (cisco) jabber, hangouts... and i'm sure i forgot some i use sometimes :|
<manveru>
and here i am, in 2019, still preferring IRC :P
<manveru>
ah, yeah, steam, zoom, and jitsi
<manveru>
and matrix, gitter...
<manveru>
atm i think the only sane way would be to have transports for all of them in matrix
<manveru>
used to be that you could unify almost all IM via XMPP
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<__monty__>
You forgot fb's messenger. Thankfully bitlbee makes it so you don't actually have to visit the site.
<manveru>
yeah... i never joined fb
<manveru>
so i guess i got that going for me, which is nice :)
<__monty__>
Fb, whatsapp, same difference.
<manveru>
suppose so
<manveru>
been ages since i used it, i think everyone fled to signal or telegram
<__monty__>
I hate signal requires a phone number.
<manveru>
my wife just had to buy a new phone in japan so she could do payments via line :(
<__monty__>
Haven't heard of it.
<manveru>
the OnePlus she uses is illegal there
<__monty__>
Why? Unlocked?
<manveru>
not certified or something
<manveru>
ah, and i think you can disable the shutter sound of the camera, which is also illegal
<Taneb>
gchristensen: I like the OfBorg log viewer :D
<gchristensen>
oh awesome :) samueldr made it!
<Taneb>
Aah! :D
<Taneb>
samueldr++
<{^_^}>
samueldr's karma got increased to 68
<samueldr>
thanks
<gchristensen>
is it possible for me to make git check out origin/* branches by default? ie, `git checkout master` not make a local branch called master, but be on origin/master
<gchristensen>
that way next time I run checkout master, it is again whatever the remote is
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<__monty__>
Doesn't git *have* to make a local copy to be able to work on the branch?
<gchristensen>
I would prefer to operate in a detached HEAD mode essentially all the time
<ivan>
I don't think this is a law, just some industry convention <manveru> ah, and i think you can disable the shutter sound of the camera, which is also illegal
<manveru>
i guess it's just a carrier requirement
<manveru>
from my experience, japan just has a ton of unwritten laws :P
<manveru>
and they refused to sell my wife a new SIM card because of her current phone
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<elvishjerricco>
Uh oh. Stopping a nixos container has left an orphan postgres process from the container somehow
<joepie91>
uh.. :D
<elvishjerricco>
`postgres: hydra hydra [local] COMMIT` taking 100% CPU yet somehow causing a load average of 66...
<joepie91>
elvishjerricco: iowait, probably?
<gchristensen>
^
<elvishjerricco>
what's iowait?
<gchristensen>
load average is all lies and means not what you think
<gchristensen>
elvishjerricco: run `top` and in the third line look for the "wa" numbern
<elvishjerricco>
3.1 wa
<elvishjerricco>
what does that mean?
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<elvishjerricco>
I can't even kill the process...
<gchristensen>
yep that must be blocked io
<gchristensen>
"load" is the number of processes waiting to run
<gchristensen>
threads*
<elvishjerricco>
how do i fix it?
<gchristensen>
what does iotop tell you?
<elvishjerricco>
I don't have iotop installed and somehow this is preventing me from running nix commands :/
<elvishjerricco>
`nix build nixpkgs.iotop -vvvvvvv` just stops after `locking this thread to CPU 18`
<elvishjerricco>
but also, this process does claim to be using 100% CPU. Would a process blocked on IO be doing that?
<manveru>
depends on how it does the waiting...
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<elvishjerricco>
Huh
<elvishjerricco>
I can't write to my root file system
<elvishjerricco>
er, I can't sync it
<gchristensen>
what does dmesg tell you?
<elvishjerricco>
writing a file to /foo and attempting sync /foo has now created another unkillable process -_-
<elvishjerricco>
nothing, dmesg isn't outputting anything of note
<elvishjerricco>
every now and then systemd logs that it's trying to kill several processes, but those processes are unkillable so it just waits a while and tries again
<gchristensen>
do have access to tty1?
<elvishjerricco>
gchristensen: I only have ssh access
<elvishjerricco>
I can sync my home directory file system just fine, which is a child dataset of my root file system
<gchristensen>
this is zfs?
<elvishjerricco>
yea
<gchristensen>
maybe hop in to #zfsonlinux and see if they have som etips
<elvishjerricco>
I can't because they ban irccloud -_-
<gchristensen>
have you tried recently?
<elvishjerricco>
Just did. Got quarantined to zfsonlinux-quarantine
<elvishjerricco>
"IRCcloud is perm-banned"
<gchristensen>
cool.
<gchristensen>
(not)
<elvishjerricco>
starting to seem like a zfs bug I think
<{^_^}>
zfsonlinux/zfs#7038 (by ltz3317, 1 year ago, open): zfs sync hang
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<samueldr>
hmm. rant: highly annoying how the postal service can lose track of a package, but will not even start investigating on it until the sender asks the originating postal authority to start the investigation :/
<gchristensen>
:( they lost it?
<samueldr>
they can't tell me since there is no investigation
<gchristensen>
:|
<samueldr>
they just confirmed that it's highly abnormal to lose a package between two hub cities like that, but there won't be an investigation until the originating postal authority asks :/
<gchristensen>
what the heck
<eyJhb>
samueldr: once a package was lost for me too. The package contained a lockpicking set.. I hope those theives will use it again to steal everything the postal service have... They handled it horrible!
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<samueldr>
thing is, the most likely thing that happens within a postal system is the package loses its label, and then it becomes "nothing"
<eyJhb>
Also because in Denmark, the sender actually owns the package, until you receive it. So they got the money back for the packge, and I got nothing
<eyJhb>
That seems... Likely, and very.. Unlikely at the same time
<samueldr>
oof
<gchristensen>
interesting. here, if that happens, they will open it and try to find who it belongs to
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<samueldr>
yeah, guessing it woudld too, but who would a lockpick set belong to? :)
<gchristensen>
only a criminal!
<eyJhb>
Heeeeey, be nice!
<samueldr>
oh, though packing slip maybe
<eyJhb>
I got a written letter saying "fuck you, your package was lost" basically... samueldr is it a expensive item?
<samueldr>
not-expendable, maybe moreso; a limited run devkit
<__monty__>
eyJhb: If you paid by credit card you can always chargeback for fraud.
<samueldr>
(considering the sender got their money, that sounds almost "right")
<samueldr>
though right now my main concern is more about receiving the damn thing to develop with the kit
<eyJhb>
__monty__: it was at amazon, so I just made a chargeback for not receiving my item. They didn't seem to care that much!
<eyJhb>
samueldr: as soon as you say "limited" that sounds awfull.. :(
<__monty__>
samueldr: I'm assuming in this case the sender cares and will eventually ask for an investigation?
<samueldr>
yes, being ~12h away makes for a fun once-daily chat, asked them so tomorrow I'll have a reply I guess
<eyJhb>
samueldr: what country?
<__monty__>
China probably?
<eyJhb>
Thought more about, what country samueldr is in, as the sender has to start the investigation
<samueldr>
I'm in Canada, sender in China
<eyJhb>
:( That did not help with my desire for pancakes.
* samueldr
might have missed something about pancakes
<gchristensen>
hmmm pancakes might be for dinner
<gchristensen>
samueldr: something something Canadian maple syrup
<eyJhb>
But seems awful, hope the sender is actually better than the standard Ebays sellers. Nothing gets done with those
<samueldr>
oh, right, maple syrup, which is appropriately in season
<gchristensen>
speaking of in season, it is snowing again here ...
<samueldr>
oh, definitely is, I was just ranting; even though it won't make things progress faster
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: also Canada? - and pancakes also works fine for... like ... 21:25 snack ;)
<gchristensen>
eyJhb: I'm in far-west massachusetts, US
<samueldr>
snow's on the weather four out of the next seven days here, but with ~0°C weather so just enough to ensure things will stay slippery and slushy
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: the "Christensen" part always screws me over, as I think you are from Scandinavia each time I read it...
<gchristensen>
eyJhb: I have Danish roots :)
<eyJhb>
That makes sense then! ;) Do you know where in Denmark?
<__monty__>
How can syrup be out of season?
<gchristensen>
eyJhb: according to family lore, part of my family is actually from Denmark, and another part lived near Denmark and claimed to be Danish after ww2
<samueldr>
__monty__: it's a seasonal product as far as acquiring it
<gchristensen>
(actually in Germany)
<__monty__>
samueldr: Really? o.O
<__monty__>
Doesn't it keep forever?
<samueldr>
frost/thaw cycles in spring makes the maple trees do the right thing as far as production goes
<samueldr>
the product keeps
<samueldr>
but you still need to get it from the trees!
<samueldr>
once you consume it it's gone!
<__monty__>
You guys consume that much?
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: makes sense! So no current _known_ family in DK then I assume?
<samueldr>
it's produced yearly
<gchristensen>
and the sugar shack is only is only going part of the year
<gchristensen>
eyJhb: right :)
<__monty__>
I have had maple syrup fermenting or something though. Like started to smell faintly of alcohol.
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: sounds like a friday night activity ;)
<samueldr>
(it's mildly controversial, considering how production is limited artificially, but it keeps the product's price stable)
<__monty__>
Dang, Canadian syrup barons.
<samueldr>
Québec*
<samueldr>
it's a provincial authority
<gchristensen>
samueldr: also I am disappointed that the best maple syrup is described as "best for industrial use" -- but it has the richest, most delicious flaver
<__monty__>
You're all just canadians to me : >
<samueldr>
__monty__: you're just european to me : >
<__monty__>
See what I mean?
<__monty__>
How do you know I'm european though -.-
<andi->
facinating that they haven't figured out how to increase the production.. Isn't economics usually the other way around?
<samueldr>
guessing, through apparent wakefulness hours, through a bunch of assumptions
<samueldr>
andi-: how to increase the production?
<eyJhb>
__monty__: but aren't you ? ;)
<samueldr>
the production is artificially limited IIRC
<andi->
samueldr: ahh, must have missed that part... If I knew how to increase it then I'd be selling that stuff right now :P
<samueldr>
pretty sure that freeing the market would ruin produced through impossible to beat prices
<eyJhb>
But.. Isn't it still supply/demand.. Just like Diamands aren't that rare, but some douche is just sitting on most of them
<__monty__>
eyJhb: Yes, I'm *very* old world.
<samueldr>
the way it's done smaller producers have the same rules to follow as industrial producers
<samueldr>
though it's not like it's pricing it out of reach, it's definitely not a luxury product :)
<gchristensen>
the good stuff is super pricey down here
<__monty__>
Very much sounds like a luxury product.
* andi-
thinks about restricting production further to make it a luxury product..
<samueldr>
gchristensen: weirdly enough, the northe-eastern states are apparently good producers too
<__monty__>
Hmm, I wonder if there's some sort of maple syrup stock exchange.
<samueldr>
or at least, I thought they were?
<gchristensen>
yeah, a buddy of mine has a bunch of trees and a sugar shack in Vermont
<gchristensen>
he mails me a pint or two a year
<__monty__>
What is this sugar shack?
<gchristensen>
to make maple syrup you boil what you collect from the trees
<__monty__>
I assume you just tap the trees with buckets?
<samueldr>
cabane à sucre here; it's where the stuff is traditionally* made
<gchristensen>
yeah ,but you have to boil off like 95% of what you get
<gchristensen>
and by doing so, you coat every surface of the building you're in ... in sugar
<samueldr>
but "cabane à sucre" also usually entails a touristy (though locals love it too) attraction where you go and eat traditionnal food related
<samueldr>
imagine going for a mid-day meal where every food choice is served to be eaten with maple syrup
<eyJhb>
*read tap as trap, and was somewhat confused about trapping trees
<drakonis>
brazil is technically bigger than US of A
<__monty__>
samueldr: Well, using state for a country is a bit strange tbf.
<drakonis>
i had a brain fart
<drakonis>
biggest contiguous territory in america
<drakonis>
alaska not withstanding, but who the heck would live in ice hell?
* gchristensen
exchanges glances with samueldr
<andi->
lol
<drakonis>
actually nevermind, canada has territory in ice hell
<eyJhb>
My university keeps traveling to Brazil for "projects"
<drakonis>
which one is it?
<eyJhb>
Drakonis: which one is what?
<drakonis>
university
<gchristensen>
uni
<eyJhb>
Ahh, didn't know if it was for me :p Aalborg University
<drakonis>
ah denmark
<eyJhb>
I think they are currently doing a project on a huge recyling station
<drakonis>
neat
<eyJhb>
Yes! - Some training platform for them.. To learn.. Basic math.. I think it is Brazil at least? But that sounds weird now that I say it
<eyJhb>
I might be way fucking off, I will just confirm it
<__monty__>
Wait, is the project designing a huge recycling plant or teaching recycling plant workers basic math?
<eyJhb>
Drakonis: it is in Brasília, where there are some problem with recyling, and giving the workers a weekly wage instead of just allowing them to sell the scrap from day-to-day living
<drakonis>
oh
<drakonis>
o boi
<eyJhb>
__monty__: teaching the basic math and budgets, financial stuff, etc.
<eyJhb>
But I have no clue how far they will get doing this.. I think they are only making the "ground basis" for something else, that can be build upon.
<drakonis>
i'm surprised there's poor people there though
<eyJhb>
Me too, that is why I double checked it. I hear that they couldn't even find our how much space they had on their phones, seeing as the are used to.. people stealing it...
<drakonis>
its supposed to be a crazy rich city
<eyJhb>
So it was something like, they opened the settings, and held the phone 5 meters away from them
<eyJhb>
Yeah I quite like it, I code most in Go or Python. Depends on what. I just hate SOME things in it.. E.g. doing `entry := d.containers`, will result in if you edit entry, you will also edit d.containers, as it points to the same `backend`.. But that is just like Python too!
<gchristensen>
yeah :) that can be pretty surprising
<eyJhb>
But I did my last workshop in algoritms in Golang.. I beat all those C people in time and memory usage ;) :p
<eyJhb>
YEah, that is always one of those little "fun things" that you catch while testing
<gchristensen>
I found Go to be pretty good, a lot of good software is written in Go
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<eyJhb>
It is awesome for concurrency, and also if you want to do anything distributed. We use it a ton for something called "The national training platform", which is basically a Cyber Training platform i Denmark
<__monty__>
Denmarking's a verb?
<gchristensen>
hehe
<samueldr>
you have cyber trains?
<andi->
i recently talked to someone that was out for a "cyber exercise"
<eyJhb>
__monty__: I feel I did something stupid :p
<eyJhb>
samueldr we are trying to get more and more people invested in the cyber security world. Currently we only have the initiative from EU, with a competetion where each country will find the 10 best between 15 and 25, and send them to compete for their contry.. ANd maybe win :p
<gchristensen>
eyJhb: oh cool, I saw something about that on Twitter
<eyJhb>
andi-: aren't we all ? :( It is hard to come up with new ideas all the time
<andi->
I was honestly confused by the term..
<eyJhb>
It is quite interesting at least :p Been at bootcamp once before, and am qualified to the bootcamp again. Hope my shoulder does not screw me over like last time.. And pray not to get sick again
<__monty__>
My impression of Go is it's a lot like elm, eschewing useful methods of abstraction because they're too "complex."
<__monty__>
Though apparently they're adding generics to Go 2.0 so maybe that'll change.
<eyJhb>
Never coded in Elm ever... :p
<gchristensen>
it is pretty fun
<eyJhb>
But you might be right...
<eyJhb>
When you say fun, do you mean, like haha fun, or fun to learn, or fun like I might kill myself within 24 hours if I do it?
<gchristensen>
lol
<gchristensen>
fun as in I don't do frontend development hardly ever, and when I do it is usually HTML printed from a bash script, and I had an enjoyable time with Elm and would gladly do it again
<gchristensen>
this level of experience, naturally, puts a cap on the complexity of what I'm building, though
<andi->
writing any kind of frontend code (besides the markup) still feels like very early stage of maturity.. I occasionally have to write some stuff with angular/vue/react/… at work and it just feels so wrong :/
<eyJhb>
I run away when I need to do frontend.. And I work with websites ... But I have a guy who usually can handle it.. :D
<eyJhb>
BUt agreed
<MichaelRaskin>
Typical state of a research tool: «Well, the only way anyone has ever managed built it in the last two years is in a Docker container on local Gitlab-CI»
<joepie91>
andi-: you are not wrong, programming in general is a pretty immature field, and that applies doubly so for the intersection with UI
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<infinisil>
I'm a bit jealous of people doing frontend things
<infinisil>
They can make pretty interfaces for everybody to see
<samueldr>
but few make usable interfaces (fite me)
<joepie91>
samueldr: you are, also, not wrong :P
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<infinisil>
nand0p: Did another review round, feel free to ping me here when addressed
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<infinisil>
Oh wrong channel
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