gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<ldlework> Funk Mandolin is where it's at!
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<gchristensen> I constantly feel lucky to be part of this community, y'all are awesome
<gchristensen> (btw)
<{^_^}> #56241 (by LnL7, 5 weeks ago, merged): nixos-rebuild: add edit command
<jasongrossman> gchristensen++
<{^_^}> gchristensen's karma got increased to 98
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<elvishjerricco> Is 11" too small a screen for programming on, considering the keyboard also has to be small?
<jackdk> I did all my programming on a netbook for a few years. It's going to depend on the user - I had to make the font tiny and the keyboard took a fair amount of adjusting. biggest constraint for that little machine was performance
<elvishjerricco> I only use my laptop for SSH'ing into my desktop so perf isn't a major issue
<jackdk> then it's going to be limited by your tolerance for smaller screens and keyboards. I found it doable
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<LnL> samueldr: did I not add that to the changelog?
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<etu> lol matrix :)
<etu> Bouncy today
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<tilpner> "Startup finished in 3.830s (firmware) + 51min 31.114s (loader) + 4min 20.142s (kernel) + 4min 48.613s (userspace) = 1h 43.699s"
<tilpner> This doesn't seem right
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<eyJhb> srhb: I would have never guessed you were a fellow Dane!
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<srhb> eyJhb: I'm not sure how to take that xD
<eyJhb> srhb: I am not quite sure how I meant it either :p For a secound I thought you were a girl from my highschool, as she is named Broholt, and it was fairly close!
<eyJhb> Have you taken a sample, and know how many Nix danes we are?! :p
<srhb> Haha! I think we're not quite in the same age bracket.
<srhb> eyJhb: Yes, and just recently adamt and johanot and co. arranged a Nix meetup in CPH.
<srhb> eyJhb: Another one coming up in maybe a month. :)
<eyJhb> srhb: currently fourth semester at Aalborg University, so only 21 ... :p - Always CPH... So far away from Aalborg :(
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<srhb> eyJhb: Yeah, sorry :P
<srhb> But it would be interesting to learn how many there are in Jutland :)
<eyJhb> srhb: tshh, soon we will overtake the world (*Denmark), hmm.. I only know one other guy doing his PhD currently. He was the one who got me into it.. But he only uses, and doesn't contribute :/
<srhb> eyJhb: The difference is usually only peer pressure. Easy. :P
<eyJhb> But I have a tough time just getting people from my group/social circles to use Linux in the first place....
<eyJhb> I have converted like .... 10 people to Linux! BUt none to Nix :(
<srhb> Oh, I think Linux is still fairly big on compsci at DIKU.
<srhb> But Nix, yeah, not so much..
<eyJhb> also fairly big here, buuuut... There will always be some! And there are only like... 14 studying the same as me.. Computer science, maybe some more..
<eyJhb> But our computer engineers are mainly Windows because some dipshit forces them to use C# and think it is the only real language
<srhb> Sad!
<eyJhb> Yeah... Generally AAU have some problems with loving Windows and microsoft HARD.... FOrcing employees to use Windows somewhat
<srhb> :(
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<eyJhb> srhb: They use Skype for all calls, which, does not work on Linux
<srhb> eyJhb: Don't worry, soon hangouts will be closed as well, then we really get to suffer...
<manveru> eyJhb: did they change skype? i've used it a lot in the past on linux...
<joepie91> Skype has always ""worked"" on Linux
<joepie91> :p
<joepie91> one particularly irritating failure mode was the client freezing up with zero indication
<joepie91> so you'd be offline for days believing you were online because that's what the tray icon claimed
<manveru> also pidgin does skype?
<manveru> i don't really have any friends that still use it... IM is still a fucking mess though
<manveru> discord, line, telegram, whatsapp, slack, signal, threema, (cisco) jabber, hangouts... and i'm sure i forgot some i use sometimes :|
<manveru> and here i am, in 2019, still preferring IRC :P
<manveru> ah, yeah, steam, zoom, and jitsi
<manveru> and matrix, gitter...
<manveru> atm i think the only sane way would be to have transports for all of them in matrix
<manveru> used to be that you could unify almost all IM via XMPP
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<__monty__> You forgot fb's messenger. Thankfully bitlbee makes it so you don't actually have to visit the site.
<manveru> yeah... i never joined fb
<manveru> so i guess i got that going for me, which is nice :)
<__monty__> Fb, whatsapp, same difference.
<manveru> suppose so
<manveru> been ages since i used it, i think everyone fled to signal or telegram
<__monty__> I hate signal requires a phone number.
<manveru> my wife just had to buy a new phone in japan so she could do payments via line :(
<__monty__> Haven't heard of it.
<manveru> the OnePlus she uses is illegal there
<__monty__> Why? Unlocked?
<manveru> not certified or something
<manveru> ah, and i think you can disable the shutter sound of the camera, which is also illegal
<manveru> they have some fun laws there
<manveru> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%8A%80%E9%81%A9%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AF is the certification... can't find an english version of it
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<andi-> state of the version bikeshedding: We settled on a scheme but now the repository software complains about it.... *tableflip*
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<infinisil> andi-: haha, nice
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<joepie91> ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
<joepie91> tables work better when not flipped
<joepie91> :P
<samueldr> LnL: yes yhou did
* Taneb is spending a little bit of time today trying to fix packages that fail on 19.03
<andi-> joepie91: can I hire you to fix all the table (read: bugs) that I just dont have the energy for to fix anymore?
<andi-> it is mostly inconsistent perl in some packaging scripts that have been like that for a few centuries.
<LnL> samueldr: oh really, assumed you found it while looking for changes that still need a changelog entry
<samueldr> LnL: I found it while looking at the changes, but turns out someone added it to the release log already, assumed it was you
<joepie91> andi-: are we talking nixpkgs here? :P
<__monty__> *Or* get tables like this instead, and flip them as many times as you want without loss of usability: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/5d/fc/705dfc86e056ffe37c1ea119c0da831f.jpg
<LnL> yeah, looks like I forgot about it and added it later :)
<joepie91> __monty__: doesn't work when it lands on its side
<joepie91> a cube would be more helpful
<joepie91> though flipping would probably be less cathartic in that case
<__monty__> Course it does, as a wheel, still useful : >
<joepie91> lol
<joepie91> also, turns out that an arcade in NL has an imported Japanese table-flipping game
<joepie91> like, with an actual table to flip
<joepie91> so that's another option
<joepie91> ha
<joepie91> multipurpose table and seat?
<__monty__> Yep, so you can rest after a freakout.
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<sphalerite> __monty__: joepie91: easy-flip table?
<Taneb> gchristensen: I like the OfBorg log viewer :D
<gchristensen> oh awesome :) samueldr made it!
<Taneb> Aah! :D
<Taneb> samueldr++
<{^_^}> samueldr's karma got increased to 68
<samueldr> thanks
<gchristensen> is it possible for me to make git check out origin/* branches by default? ie, `git checkout master` not make a local branch called master, but be on origin/master
<gchristensen> that way next time I run checkout master, it is again whatever the remote is
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<__monty__> Doesn't git *have* to make a local copy to be able to work on the branch?
<gchristensen> I would prefer to operate in a detached HEAD mode essentially all the time
<ivan> I don't think this is a law, just some industry convention <manveru> ah, and i think you can disable the shutter sound of the camera, which is also illegal
<manveru> i guess it's just a carrier requirement
<manveru> from my experience, japan just has a ton of unwritten laws :P
<manveru> and they refused to sell my wife a new SIM card because of her current phone
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<elvishjerricco> Uh oh. Stopping a nixos container has left an orphan postgres process from the container somehow
<joepie91> uh.. :D
<elvishjerricco> `postgres: hydra hydra [local] COMMIT` taking 100% CPU yet somehow causing a load average of 66...
<joepie91> elvishjerricco: iowait, probably?
<gchristensen> ^
<elvishjerricco> what's iowait?
<gchristensen> load average is all lies and means not what you think
<gchristensen> elvishjerricco: run `top` and in the third line look for the "wa" numbern
<elvishjerricco> 3.1 wa
<elvishjerricco> what does that mean?
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<elvishjerricco> I can't even kill the process...
<gchristensen> yep that must be blocked io
<gchristensen> "load" is the number of processes waiting to run
<gchristensen> threads*
<elvishjerricco> how do i fix it?
<gchristensen> what does iotop tell you?
<elvishjerricco> I don't have iotop installed and somehow this is preventing me from running nix commands :/
<elvishjerricco> `nix build nixpkgs.iotop -vvvvvvv` just stops after `locking this thread to CPU 18`
<elvishjerricco> but also, this process does claim to be using 100% CPU. Would a process blocked on IO be doing that?
<manveru> depends on how it does the waiting...
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<elvishjerricco> Huh
<elvishjerricco> I can't write to my root file system
<elvishjerricco> er, I can't sync it
<gchristensen> what does dmesg tell you?
<elvishjerricco> writing a file to /foo and attempting sync /foo has now created another unkillable process -_-
<elvishjerricco> nothing, dmesg isn't outputting anything of note
<elvishjerricco> every now and then systemd logs that it's trying to kill several processes, but those processes are unkillable so it just waits a while and tries again
<gchristensen> do have access to tty1?
<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: I only have ssh access
<elvishjerricco> I can sync my home directory file system just fine, which is a child dataset of my root file system
<gchristensen> this is zfs?
<elvishjerricco> yea
<gchristensen> maybe hop in to #zfsonlinux and see if they have som etips
<elvishjerricco> I can't because they ban irccloud -_-
<gchristensen> have you tried recently?
<elvishjerricco> Just did. Got quarantined to zfsonlinux-quarantine
<elvishjerricco> "IRCcloud is perm-banned"
<gchristensen> cool.
<gchristensen> (not)
<elvishjerricco> starting to seem like a zfs bug I think
<{^_^}> zfsonlinux/zfs#7038 (by ltz3317, 1 year ago, open): zfs sync hang
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<samueldr> hmm. rant: highly annoying how the postal service can lose track of a package, but will not even start investigating on it until the sender asks the originating postal authority to start the investigation :/
<gchristensen> :( they lost it?
<samueldr> they can't tell me since there is no investigation
<gchristensen> :|
<samueldr> they just confirmed that it's highly abnormal to lose a package between two hub cities like that, but there won't be an investigation until the originating postal authority asks :/
<gchristensen> what the heck
<eyJhb> samueldr: once a package was lost for me too. The package contained a lockpicking set.. I hope those theives will use it again to steal everything the postal service have... They handled it horrible!
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<samueldr> thing is, the most likely thing that happens within a postal system is the package loses its label, and then it becomes "nothing"
<eyJhb> Also because in Denmark, the sender actually owns the package, until you receive it. So they got the money back for the packge, and I got nothing
<eyJhb> That seems... Likely, and very.. Unlikely at the same time
<samueldr> oof
<gchristensen> interesting. here, if that happens, they will open it and try to find who it belongs to
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<samueldr> yeah, guessing it woudld too, but who would a lockpick set belong to? :)
<gchristensen> only a criminal!
<eyJhb> Heeeeey, be nice!
<samueldr> oh, though packing slip maybe
<eyJhb> I got a written letter saying "fuck you, your package was lost" basically... samueldr is it a expensive item?
<samueldr> not-expendable, maybe moreso; a limited run devkit
<__monty__> eyJhb: If you paid by credit card you can always chargeback for fraud.
<samueldr> (considering the sender got their money, that sounds almost "right")
<samueldr> though right now my main concern is more about receiving the damn thing to develop with the kit
<eyJhb> __monty__: it was at amazon, so I just made a chargeback for not receiving my item. They didn't seem to care that much!
<eyJhb> samueldr: as soon as you say "limited" that sounds awfull.. :(
<__monty__> samueldr: I'm assuming in this case the sender cares and will eventually ask for an investigation?
<samueldr> yes, being ~12h away makes for a fun once-daily chat, asked them so tomorrow I'll have a reply I guess
<eyJhb> samueldr: what country?
<__monty__> China probably?
<eyJhb> Thought more about, what country samueldr is in, as the sender has to start the investigation
<samueldr> I'm in Canada, sender in China
<eyJhb> :( That did not help with my desire for pancakes.
* samueldr might have missed something about pancakes
<gchristensen> hmmm pancakes might be for dinner
<gchristensen> samueldr: something something Canadian maple syrup
<eyJhb> But seems awful, hope the sender is actually better than the standard Ebays sellers. Nothing gets done with those
<samueldr> oh, right, maple syrup, which is appropriately in season
<gchristensen> speaking of in season, it is snowing again here ...
<samueldr> oh, definitely is, I was just ranting; even though it won't make things progress faster
<eyJhb> gchristensen: also Canada? - and pancakes also works fine for... like ... 21:25 snack ;)
<gchristensen> eyJhb: I'm in far-west massachusetts, US
<samueldr> snow's on the weather four out of the next seven days here, but with ~0°C weather so just enough to ensure things will stay slippery and slushy
<eyJhb> gchristensen: the "Christensen" part always screws me over, as I think you are from Scandinavia each time I read it...
<gchristensen> eyJhb: I have Danish roots :)
<eyJhb> That makes sense then! ;) Do you know where in Denmark?
<__monty__> How can syrup be out of season?
<gchristensen> eyJhb: according to family lore, part of my family is actually from Denmark, and another part lived near Denmark and claimed to be Danish after ww2
<samueldr> __monty__: it's a seasonal product as far as acquiring it
<gchristensen> (actually in Germany)
<__monty__> samueldr: Really? o.O
<__monty__> Doesn't it keep forever?
<samueldr> frost/thaw cycles in spring makes the maple trees do the right thing as far as production goes
<samueldr> the product keeps
<samueldr> but you still need to get it from the trees!
<samueldr> once you consume it it's gone!
<__monty__> You guys consume that much?
<eyJhb> gchristensen: makes sense! So no current _known_ family in DK then I assume?
<samueldr> it's produced yearly
<gchristensen> and the sugar shack is only is only going part of the year
<gchristensen> eyJhb: right :)
<__monty__> I have had maple syrup fermenting or something though. Like started to smell faintly of alcohol.
<eyJhb> gchristensen: sounds like a friday night activity ;)
<samueldr> (it's mildly controversial, considering how production is limited artificially, but it keeps the product's price stable)
<__monty__> Dang, Canadian syrup barons.
<samueldr> Québec*
<samueldr> it's a provincial authority
<gchristensen> samueldr: also I am disappointed that the best maple syrup is described as "best for industrial use" -- but it has the richest, most delicious flaver
<__monty__> You're all just canadians to me : >
<samueldr> __monty__: you're just european to me : >
<__monty__> See what I mean?
<__monty__> How do you know I'm european though -.-
<andi-> facinating that they haven't figured out how to increase the production.. Isn't economics usually the other way around?
<samueldr> guessing, through apparent wakefulness hours, through a bunch of assumptions
<samueldr> andi-: how to increase the production?
<eyJhb> __monty__: but aren't you ? ;)
<samueldr> the production is artificially limited IIRC
<andi-> samueldr: ahh, must have missed that part... If I knew how to increase it then I'd be selling that stuff right now :P
<samueldr> pretty sure that freeing the market would ruin produced through impossible to beat prices
<eyJhb> But.. Isn't it still supply/demand.. Just like Diamands aren't that rare, but some douche is just sitting on most of them
<__monty__> eyJhb: Yes, I'm *very* old world.
<samueldr> the way it's done smaller producers have the same rules to follow as industrial producers
<samueldr> though it's not like it's pricing it out of reach, it's definitely not a luxury product :)
<gchristensen> the good stuff is super pricey down here
<__monty__> Very much sounds like a luxury product.
* andi- thinks about restricting production further to make it a luxury product..
<samueldr> gchristensen: weirdly enough, the northe-eastern states are apparently good producers too
<__monty__> Hmm, I wonder if there's some sort of maple syrup stock exchange.
<samueldr> or at least, I thought they were?
<gchristensen> yeah, a buddy of mine has a bunch of trees and a sugar shack in Vermont
<gchristensen> he mails me a pint or two a year
<__monty__> What is this sugar shack?
<gchristensen> to make maple syrup you boil what you collect from the trees
<__monty__> I assume you just tap the trees with buckets?
<samueldr> cabane à sucre here; it's where the stuff is traditionally* made
<gchristensen> yeah ,but you have to boil off like 95% of what you get
<gchristensen> and by doing so, you coat every surface of the building you're in ... in sugar
<samueldr> but "cabane à sucre" also usually entails a touristy (though locals love it too) attraction where you go and eat traditionnal food related
<samueldr> imagine going for a mid-day meal where every food choice is served to be eaten with maple syrup
<eyJhb> *read tap as trap, and was somewhat confused about trapping trees
<samueldr> need to catch them to bleed them out
<samueldr> (no, they're not bled out)
<gchristensen> great place to hang out and drink some beer for an afternoon
<__monty__> Are these cabanes fire hazards?
<eyJhb> Sounds like something I have to drive/fly a long way to reach something like that
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<samueldr> shouldn't really be, not more than let's say a restaurant or a commercial business in a similar construction
<gchristensen> you could choose to live in a rural area and not have to drive or fly very far
<samueldr> or even here, one hour drive to have a "remote" one, though you can get to some using public transit!
<eyJhb> gchristensen samueldr have you seen the size of Denmark?... :p
<eyJhb> IF I drive 2 hours, I am in Germany.
<andi-> 2hours to join the dark side ;-)
<eyJhb> 1-2 hours more, France... - This isn't that big
<samueldr> (in the states, you drive two hours and you're still in the same city)
<eyJhb> I don't want to :(
<gchristensen> samueldr: we need to get these Europeans over here.
<drakonis> samueldr, imagine living on a country bigger than europe
<drakonis> my state is bigger than europe
<samueldr> texas?
<drakonis> no
<eyJhb> My geography is fucked, 13 hours in car and I am in Paris... Or 70 hours on a bike as Google suggested..
<drakonis> god no i wouldnt live in texas in my life
<samueldr> (I thought 5s for "biggest state", not even sure it is)
<andi-> I once drove from ~Waterbury (Connecticut) to houston (TX).. It couldn't believe the size of it..
<gchristensen> andi-: yeah and from houston to el paso texas is 10-12hrs depending on how you go ...
<eyJhb> Never been to the states myself..
<gchristensen> Drakonis: so which state?
<drakonis> rather, my state is ass large as several countries rather
<drakonis> rip
<drakonis> this is brazil over here
* samueldr snickers "ass" large
<drakonis> noice
<gchristensen> Brazil is massive!
<samueldr> oh, sorry, I assumed north-american-centristically it would be a state as in united state :)
<drakonis> yes.
<gchristensen> https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTUyNjU4ODI.NjczNzU0Nw*Mjc0NDg4MTY(NTIzMDA2Ng~!CONTIGUOUS_US*ODI3MjQ0Mw.MjI2NDY1NjU(MTc1)MA~!IN*NTI2NDA1MQ.Nzg2MzQyMQ)MQ~!CN*OTkyMTY5Nw.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)Mg~!US-CA*OTUwMjgxNA.MjEwNzkyMTk)Mw~!US-TX*OTIxMzAxMg.MjE1MDM5MzQ)NA~!BR*OTQ1NjE0OA.MjI0ODQ0Njc)NQ
<drakonis> brazil is technically bigger than US of A
<__monty__> samueldr: Well, using state for a country is a bit strange tbf.
<drakonis> i had a brain fart
<drakonis> biggest contiguous territory in america
<drakonis> alaska not withstanding, but who the heck would live in ice hell?
* gchristensen exchanges glances with samueldr
<andi-> lol
<drakonis> actually nevermind, canada has territory in ice hell
<eyJhb> My university keeps traveling to Brazil for "projects"
<drakonis> which one is it?
<eyJhb> Drakonis: which one is what?
<drakonis> university
<gchristensen> uni
<eyJhb> Ahh, didn't know if it was for me :p Aalborg University
<drakonis> ah denmark
<eyJhb> I think they are currently doing a project on a huge recyling station
<drakonis> neat
<eyJhb> Yes! - Some training platform for them.. To learn.. Basic math.. I think it is Brazil at least? But that sounds weird now that I say it
<eyJhb> I might be way fucking off, I will just confirm it
<__monty__> Wait, is the project designing a huge recycling plant or teaching recycling plant workers basic math?
<eyJhb> Drakonis: it is in Brasília, where there are some problem with recyling, and giving the workers a weekly wage instead of just allowing them to sell the scrap from day-to-day living
<drakonis> oh
<drakonis> o boi
<eyJhb> __monty__: teaching the basic math and budgets, financial stuff, etc.
<eyJhb> But I have no clue how far they will get doing this.. I think they are only making the "ground basis" for something else, that can be build upon.
<drakonis> i'm surprised there's poor people there though
<eyJhb> Me too, that is why I double checked it. I hear that they couldn't even find our how much space they had on their phones, seeing as the are used to.. people stealing it...
<drakonis> its supposed to be a crazy rich city
<eyJhb> So it was something like, they opened the settings, and held the phone 5 meters away from them
<__monty__> Bigger cities always attract poor people.
<drakonis> its not a big city
<drakonis> its something similar to dubai
<__monty__> Hmm, assumed the capital'd be at least rio sized.
<drakonis> its way smaller than porto alegre
<drakonis> 496.827 square kilometers vs brasilia's 5.807 square kilometers
<drakonis> you have 480,827 citizens per square kilometer in brasilia
<drakonis> its also very wealthy
<drakonis> which is the problem, its a crazy rich tiny city
<__monty__> 2.5 million people's a *big* city in my book.
<__monty__> That's a quarter of our population.
<drakonis> the city is physically small
<gchristensen> where is "our"?
<__monty__> Place where Dr. Evil was born.
<gchristensen> right on
<eyJhb> Any of you code any Go?
<drakonis> have fiddled once
<drakonis> was okay
<gchristensen> you a fan, eyJhb?
<eyJhb> Yeah I quite like it, I code most in Go or Python. Depends on what. I just hate SOME things in it.. E.g. doing `entry := d.containers`, will result in if you edit entry, you will also edit d.containers, as it points to the same `backend`.. But that is just like Python too!
<gchristensen> yeah :) that can be pretty surprising
<eyJhb> But I did my last workshop in algoritms in Golang.. I beat all those C people in time and memory usage ;) :p
<eyJhb> YEah, that is always one of those little "fun things" that you catch while testing
<gchristensen> I found Go to be pretty good, a lot of good software is written in Go
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<eyJhb> It is awesome for concurrency, and also if you want to do anything distributed. We use it a ton for something called "The national training platform", which is basically a Cyber Training platform i Denmark
<__monty__> Denmarking's a verb?
<gchristensen> hehe
<samueldr> you have cyber trains?
<andi-> i recently talked to someone that was out for a "cyber exercise"
<eyJhb> __monty__: I feel I did something stupid :p
<eyJhb> samueldr we are trying to get more and more people invested in the cyber security world. Currently we only have the initiative from EU, with a competetion where each country will find the 10 best between 15 and 25, and send them to compete for their contry.. ANd maybe win :p
<gchristensen> eyJhb: oh cool, I saw something about that on Twitter
<eyJhb> andi-: aren't we all ? :( It is hard to come up with new ideas all the time
<andi-> I was honestly confused by the term..
<eyJhb> It is quite interesting at least :p Been at bootcamp once before, and am qualified to the bootcamp again. Hope my shoulder does not screw me over like last time.. And pray not to get sick again
<__monty__> My impression of Go is it's a lot like elm, eschewing useful methods of abstraction because they're too "complex."
<__monty__> Though apparently they're adding generics to Go 2.0 so maybe that'll change.
<eyJhb> Never coded in Elm ever... :p
<gchristensen> it is pretty fun
<eyJhb> But you might be right...
<eyJhb> When you say fun, do you mean, like haha fun, or fun to learn, or fun like I might kill myself within 24 hours if I do it?
<gchristensen> lol
<gchristensen> fun as in I don't do frontend development hardly ever, and when I do it is usually HTML printed from a bash script, and I had an enjoyable time with Elm and would gladly do it again
<gchristensen> this level of experience, naturally, puts a cap on the complexity of what I'm building, though
<andi-> writing any kind of frontend code (besides the markup) still feels like very early stage of maturity.. I occasionally have to write some stuff with angular/vue/react/… at work and it just feels so wrong :/
<eyJhb> I run away when I need to do frontend.. And I work with websites ... But I have a guy who usually can handle it.. :D
<eyJhb> BUt agreed
<MichaelRaskin> Typical state of a research tool: «Well, the only way anyone has ever managed built it in the last two years is in a Docker container on local Gitlab-CI»
<joepie91> andi-: you are not wrong, programming in general is a pretty immature field, and that applies doubly so for the intersection with UI
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<infinisil> I'm a bit jealous of people doing frontend things
<infinisil> They can make pretty interfaces for everybody to see
<samueldr> but few make usable interfaces (fite me)
<joepie91> samueldr: you are, also, not wrong :P
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<infinisil> nand0p: Did another review round, feel free to ping me here when addressed
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<infinisil> Oh wrong channel
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<clever> gchristensen: https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/f2b2679c56bf9bf222e6f80ba86a455e fixing all the tofu in here isnt going to be fun!
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<clever> gchristensen: at this point, it may be faster to rewrite parts of this in haskell, rather then to keep copy/pasting url's, lol
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