<sphalerite>
but I wanted the feet on it so that it wouldn't scratch when resting on hard surfaces. So I glued them back on, next to their original positions, as srhb suggested
<samueldr>
I see
<sphalerite>
yep
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<samueldr>
I make sure <pre> are nowrap, and longer lines are neatly tucked away in a scrolling box
<samueldr>
though, it's not inherently weird to have smaller text for examples, if you make sure to make it a special case for "big overview screenshots"
<samueldr>
(imho)
<andi->
gchristensen: I think that is fine
<andi->
unless you plan on making it smaller every week so even the longest lines fit ;-)
<samueldr>
gchristensen solved the web bloat problem: make your text smaller, and it'll need less resources !
<andi->
O.O
<sphalerite>
hahaha
<andi->
actually bloat is what kills the web for me... Whenever I see the browsers of "regular" people (non-IT people) I wonder how they can even us the internet.. Popups (those in-page thingies), late elements popping in, annoying advertisment,..
<gchristensen>
hmm for some reason my thing is adding a <code> inside the <pre> breaking it
* samueldr
faints
<samueldr>
;)
<gchristensen>
eh it causes the text to spill over the side but whatever
<samueldr>
gchristensen: if you have a draft this evening, I can propose some CSS fixes if you want
<gchristensen>
cool! thank you :D
<gchristensen>
I'm still spewing words... it feels like this could be a series of posts instead of just one :|
<samueldr>
the cool thing with a series of posts, is that you can make the good stuff last longer!
<gchristensen>
yeah but the bad thing is I don't like to write much :D
<andi->
I used to write blog posts but not publish them... I only ever write them when in the mood and then I do not want to modify them over and over and over again. :/
<andi->
and then the whole tooling that isn't great distracts me big time..
<simpson>
I don't even write the blog posts, usually. I just think, "I'm disappointed in what everybody chose to do, and I'm gonna be angry about it," and then I never actually write anything.
* samueldr
checks own site
<andi->
hrhr
<gchristensen>
I've been instructed to write things about stuff I think is cool
<samueldr>
2012 my last post. so my last draft should be from around 2013-2014 in my drafts folder
<samueldr>
at that point in time I was trying to fit about 40kg of contents in a 10lb bag
<gchristensen>
I too suffer from unit confusion
<andi->
A few years back I was very grumpy about not finding any documentation for a topic so I wrote some.. after that more stuff spread on the web.. not sure if it was the spirit of that time or something being available suddenly..
<andi->
and then I was grumpy that I spent time writing it and now there is better material available.. The story of my life.. everything sucks.. lets make the best out of it..
<samueldr>
HAHA oh lol, I opened that folder: DRAFT_call-for-reproducible-builds.md
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<samueldr>
(but it's a different tangent than what you'd expect)
<joepie91>
grumblr grumble grumble...
<gchristensen>
:D
<joepie91>
I would like to contribute to today's complaint hour
<joepie91>
by observing that out of the three XMPP web clients I've tested, none of them lasted for more than 5 minutes without running into a serious issue
<joepie91>
respectively; unmaintained, throws errors when a user goes offline, and silently fails to deliver offline messages
<joepie91>
and I haven't even tried adding OTR to the mix yet!
<joepie91>
so yeah, suggestions for web-based XMPP clients that Actually Work are welcome :P
<andi->
I wasnt aware of web xmpp clients until a few days ago..
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* Ralith
quietly plugs matrix
<joepie91>
Ralith: unfortunately, Matrix clients are also junk, and the homeserver is even worse than your options for XMPP daemons :P
<maurer>
joepie91: If I were you, I'd use weechat + glowingbear
<maurer>
but that does require you to have a server somewhere
<maurer>
(weechat speaks XMPP, but is a local client, but also has a relay mode such that you can connect to it from your browser)
<Ralith>
it's maintained, delivers mssages to offline users, and has working e2e, so there's that
<joepie91>
maurer: this is for a friend who just wants a web client that Just Works
<joepie91>
Ralith: some of the time*
<Ralith>
I have never known matrix to fail to deliver a message
<maurer>
I mostly hate matrix for causing people to paste big messages into irc, and then have them replaced with a link I have to click if I want to read their message
<joepie91>
I've seen it go wrong with Riot a few times
<maurer>
also spurious join/part traffic
<sphalerite>
Ralith: I have!
<emily>
I feel like recommending Matrix for reliability is kind of... interesting...
<joepie91>
which is ridiculously slow/heavy anyway
<emily>
although I suppose the IRC bridge is worse than the rest of it
<joepie91>
also the entire protocol is still polling-based, because ????
<Ralith>
sphalerite: condolences!
<emily>
but the whole federation system seems kinda brittle
<joepie91>
and the other clients are incomplete or unreliable
<Ralith>
emily: apparently the bar is very, very low
<joepie91>
I can't really blame Matrix for the joins/quits, that's kind of inherent to gateways and we used to have that with shell hosts
<joepie91>
that's more IRC having pretty awful failure recovery
* samueldr
wonders if the gateway is a linked IRC server or a multitude of distinct client connections
<samueldr>
(haven't looked for the code)
<emily>
latter
<Ralith>
I don't think IRC S2S protocol is remotely portable enough for that to be reasonable unless the effort was managed by the participating network
<samueldr>
yeah, that's what I was implying, if freenode's gateway is special
<samueldr>
(though no way for anyone to know I was implying this)
<andi->
matrix uses plenty of client connections
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<andi->
in the case of freenode every client comes from a dedicated ipv6 address in a whitelisted /64. Running a matrix bridge for IRC basically makes the IRC ops log providers.. Not just of the messages and joins/parts/quits but also about when you (or your device) checks for new messages...
<Ralith>
no matrix IRC bridge does or possibly could have any knowledge of when users check for messages
<andi->
well thats what I see on the matrix bridge that I am running since we have to run home server without any users as well..
<andi->
then it might just be the servers poking each other... it's just insane
<Ralith>
idk what you're seeing, but it's not users, that's just not how the protocol works
<Ralith>
yeah, the storage use is pretty nuts, no argument there
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<andi->
I looked it up back then and it really correlated with some kind of polling so I figured that might have originated by a client due to some fact back then..
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