gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<infinisil> Goddamnit, I should stop eating ramen on my bed
<infinisil> Because I just spilled..
<infinisil> At least my bed is very warm now :)
<gchristensen> eeee
<infinisil> And a bit wet I guess
<infinisil> Aw damn, it got through to the mattress
<infinisil> I guess it will smell nice for some time now :)
<infinisil> Statistically speaking, spilling twice in a row is improbably, therefore I'll just eat on my bed again
<infinisil> (/s)
<gchristensen> lol
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<samueldr> this always makes me laugh
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<gchristensen> lol
<joepie91> gchristensen: I'm only here for a brief moment, but I agree with srhb's observations in that thread; optimize for the common case, provide an escape hatch for the edge cases
<joepie91> (also, what *are* the upgrade challenges? if Nix can't be cleanly upgraded in a multi-user env, that seems like it's its own bug that needs solving)
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<gchristensen> joepie91: they are fixable, for sure
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<LnL> gchristensen: I'll post my thoughts after work
<gchristensen> that is like 3-4hrs?
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<LnL> yeah, unless this codebase eats me alive
<gchristensen> please get out alive
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<andi-> this is going to be a whole new level of spam: https://gist.github.com/andir/baeb883d841d18874e192b6e4a5f04e0 using unicode characters to replace random(?) characters in the spam.. m(
<pie__> "Aug 14 2018
<pie__> The nix-devel mailing list is now replaced by our discourse forum instance which is also usable by email: discourse.nixos.org. "
<pie__> why does this just keep getting worse xD
<srhb> pie__: What do you mean? What's worse?
<simpson> Discourse might not be great, but mailing lists are pretty terrible.
<pie__> went from mailing list to google mailing list to discourse
<srhb> Ah.. OK, I like discourse.
<srhb> Much better than the weird google thing at least.
<pie__> well, it does say discourse provides an email endpoint *scratches head*
<srhb> Besides, if the old way had worked better, clearly you would have protested in time. :D
* srhb ducks
<pie__> :P
<pie__> noone cares about my protests
<pie__> also, i dont really *use* mailing lists, but i dont mind them
<srhb> I feel the same way.
<pie__> my gripe with the google switch was mainly the lack of access without a google email, IIRC
<srhb> But this is actually a UI that I like. As opposed to the weirdness of google groups.
<joepie91> google groups always felt to me like they weren't *quite* sure whether they wanted to be a mailinglist or a forum, so they tried to be both... by importing the worst aspects of both?
<joepie91> it's an annoying barrier for seasoned mailing list user... and the most awkward forum interface on earth for forum users
<joepie91> well okay, maybe launchpad wins that last award, but google groups is pretty close :P
<sphalerite> andi-: the filesystem one feels out of place lol
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<infinisil> Aw yeah, a new album by my favorite artist: https://blancoofficial.bandcamp.com/album/calypso
<andi-> it is a bit weird but maybe I just need a few hours of getting used to it :D
<LnL> gchristensen: we prevailed, me and my code changes managed to escape!
* LnL gasps for air
<gchristensen> yay!!!
<{^_^}> google/tink#104 (by paragonie-scott, 23 hours ago, open): PHP Implementation?
<andi-> popcorn
<andi-> i need more popcorn :)
<gchristensen> scott is great
<andi-> I think I'll write the github support that I need a popocorn reaction.. I know it is mean..
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<gchristensen> I have so many gems in my chat logs, but they're all so hard to find
<andi-> gchristensen: do you need elasticsearch for your logs yet?
<gchristensen> yes
<gchristensen> honestly yes
<gchristensen> I'd also like an elasticsearch for every git commit to a repo
<andi-> switch to quassel then you have a database (at least):P
<joepie91> oh man, tracking down an erroneous duplicate entry in my bookkeeping is just the most fun thing on earth... /s
<joepie91> did I mention that gnucash is Not Very Good
<gchristensen> I pay for YNAB and am very happy about it
<joepie91> there's not a lot of options when you want to do bookkeeping in NL as a freelancer, and of the options that do exist, the vast majority of them are Hotel California services; you can enter your data, but it can never leave...
<andi-> joepie91: have you considered ledger? :)
<andi-> I oversee/check the bookings of the local CCC club and we wrote a thing python script on-top of ledger that ensures things like correct bookings, allows you to import bookings from bank accounts and match using a list of expressions (and then perform actions).
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<infinisil> Something is definitely wrong with my system, my xmobar has been crashing so often since the last update
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<andi-> The waiting for vagrant.. I need a better scheduler for concurrent tasks in my head :/
<joepie91> I love how the income tax form in NL explicitly mentions bitcoins
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<gchristensen> NixOS's ofborg infrastructure is undergoing a bit of a risky update. Hopefully nothing goes wrong. I'll keep you posted. See #nixos-borg for finer grained updates. Things _will_ be broken for at least a few minutes, but hopefully _only_ a few minutes.
<joepie91> so
<joepie91> having just completed tax forms using gnucash, I can say that gnucash is very... uh... GNU-y :)
<gchristensen> do you open it up and say "whew, smells like free software in here, if you know what I mean?"
<joepie91> gchristensen: not far off
<joepie91> it has a very, err... do-what-you-tell-it-to UI
<joepie91> by which I mean it completely fails at anticipating the user's intentions :)
<joepie91> also, it mystifies me why after upwards of 7 years of mailing list threads, there is *still* no way to batch-reassign transactions to different accounts
<joepie91> I had to write my own XML-mangling code to get my books in order, for deity's sake
<joepie91> apparently the account assignment logic lives specifically in the Quicken importer
<joepie91> so if you import from *any* other format it just dumps all your transactions in "unspecified account"
<joepie91> </rant>
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<gchristensen> OfBorg is back! Thank you for your patience!
<andi-> I must say that working with nixpkgs on Darwin made me more open towards accepting the possibility of using a Mac at some point.. But then again their keyboards will kill my hands I am sure...
<__monty__> I don't get. that. Some of the most comfortable keyboards I've used. All the mechanical keyboards people rave about are way too thick imo.
<andi-> I type randomly on co-workers macs and the newer the mac the worse the expericne is
<__monty__> Laptops?
<gchristensen> different people have different requirements and injuries
<simpson> I have to have an Apple for work. It's terrible. I feel like I'm typing on a rich kid's toy.
<andi-> lol
<andi-> simpson: that explains it pretty well :)
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<__monty__> It's too bad no one can do a decent laptop that also looks sleek though.
<andi-> what is sleek to you?
<__monty__> Not cheap plastic.
<__monty__> The aluminum macbooks usually look good.
<andi-> so must be aluminium or is there non-cheap plastic for you?
<__monty__> I'm sure there is. Just haven't seen any on laptops yet. (Not that I see that many laptop models.)
<andi-> at my old work place we had a few of the fake apple Asus notebooks.. those looked "sleek" for about 10 seconds and thenit was terrible. It was very badly done silverish plastic + a bit of aluminiu,.
<gchristensen> I think the XPSs look pretty decent
<gchristensen> they don't try to be fake about it
<andi-> I usually like my thinkpads plastic. It is pretty robust and there is an older Yoga that also has an aluminium frame and I did run two nails in the wall with it already...
<simpson> I don't care what it looks like. I'm writing code, not trying to get a date.
<andi-> simpson: well then carry an external keyboard? ;)
<gchristensen> I take it as a sign of whats inside
<simpson> andi-: That makes about as much sense as rhythmically slamming the laptop into my desk repeatedly until it ceases to be recognizable as a laptop.
<simpson> It might be cathartic, and possibly even helpful, but it is not a solution, just a feeling.
<__monty__> If I'm looking at something all day I prefer the terrible material and design don't annoy me every time I notice them.
<joepie91> I'd argue that modern Thinkpads don't look like cheap plastic
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<pie__> botbot google results f***ing suck
<pie__> they never have the stuff in the google result
<pie__> how do i find something that showed up in the nixos backlog
<LnL> look at the topic :)
<pie__> huh
<pie__> guess thatll work
<pie__> :P
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<LnL> not sure how far back that goes, but I think samueldr gathered old logfiles from some people
<pie__> doesnt seem to find what im looking for
<pie__> the google result seems to be relativelty recent
<andi-> whare are you looking for?
<pie__> Yup, thanks.
<pie__> the 07-22 results
<samueldr> LnL: only my own logs, pegged at january 2017 since I wasn't sure about everything before in my quassel database
<samueldr> (I parted and joined during 2016 a couple of times I think)
<pie__> ok i just installed the nixos demo version of renoise with -p renoise
<pie__> this distro is
<pie__> the
<pie__> coolest
<pie__> distro
<samueldr> though since I have a specific date it's probably easy enough to add other logs in the future
<samueldr> I think, using the nixos.org logs, we only have from september to december 2016 missing if I ever do an import (missing meaning I'd need some contributors to share theirs)
<samueldr> pie__: the software used for the logs is a bit confusing
<samueldr> you probably want to use the search box at the left
<LnL> oh right, there are old logs there
<samueldr> the top one only filters in the day
<pie__> oh
<pie__> samueldr, that was probabyl iy
<pie__> it
<samueldr> yeah, I wanted to add a couple patches to it, one would be removing the top search
<pie__> s***, i dont get any audio output from renoise
<samueldr> (though, to be fair, it's a rocking awesome piece of software, it REALLY was set and forget)
<LnL> samueldr: my znc logs start 2016-09-21, I nuked the host with everything before that
<samueldr> I had other offers, but in reality the main issue is that they are "lossy" with regards to the representation the software used
<samueldr> (IIRC)
<samueldr> so the main issue I had was that it needed me to do some work :)
<samueldr> way too lazy to do anything :)
<samueldr> (my IRC client is quassel; the logs are in a postgreSQL database, it was much easier to migrate them to the irc log thing)
<LnL> ah
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<samueldr> :) fixed my review tool, so it actually diffs, and then added blacklisting
<samueldr> (extremely WIP, but the goal is to make it output a markdown report eventually doing the build itself)
<samueldr> (don't criticize the way it creates the repo, it's __extremely__ wip)
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