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<samueldr> I guess this, with a CM4, may start to look like a better option
<samueldr> I'd like to see a raspberry pi 4 class hardware not constrained by bad I/O or bad power supply issues
<samueldr> how it benchmarks against other higher end SBCs
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<Ke> so current status of pbp display: can see the output in sway and it accepts commands, but display says "no signal"
<Ke> this is with nadia patches
<Ke> and nadia's u-boot built on archlinux (assuming nadia is not distributing gubmen't spyware built on evil(like harkonnen) linux distibution)
<Ke> linux-5.11.13
<Ke> fwiw I have never used sway external monitors so there is a slight possibility that I am doing it wrong, but internet says all displays enabled by default and ui seems to unfocus(change colour) the other display while switching to a desktop on my external monitor
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<LinuxHackerman> Emil Karlson: sway will just autodetect it, enable it, and put it to the right of the internal display, as long as it isn't configured otherwise
<Ke> with my other dongle it seems to be working
<Ke> I now have: video/keyboard on u-boot, external display, usb and ethernet on dongle on linux
<Ke> so feature completeness is not super far away
<Ke> this keyboard feels super awkwards
<Ke> haven't been at the office for ages
<Ke> this is also funny that foot seems to select font sizes based on screen dimensions, not resolution
<Ke> switching from 1080p to 1080p screen gave me more lines
<LinuxHackerman> nice how that stuff works nowadays
<LinuxHackerman> I think what it actually uses to decide is the DPI, i.e. the amount of pixels and the size of the screen
<LinuxHackerman> (pet peeve of mine: the way that the term "resolution" refers to both pixel density _and_ size in pixels…)
<Ke> language is as we use it
<Ke> but definitely pixel density would be more in line with how it gets used elsewhere
<Ke> or I guess inverse of pixel density ie. size of a pixel
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<LinuxHackerman> of course it is, and I'm far from a prescriptivist. But I'll still complain when the way language is used makes communication more difficult :p
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<Ke> well it's not like most people are not just fine with exceptions being the norm
<Ke> it 's kind of funny though this is the case
<Ke> but I guess it might be related to the way language has to evolve to get new meanings
<Ke> like there had to be a way to move from concrete things to abstract, which is quite a leap
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<ShalokShalom> Hi there :)
<ShalokShalom> Who here runs NixOS on Android in chroot?
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<mindavi> samueldr: Hey, I'm trying to cross-build the tools in the mobile-nixos repository, but not sure how to do that. Any pointers? I've tried nix-build overlay/package-name/default.nix and nix-build -A package-name, but (as I was expecting) that doesn't work
<samueldr> Mindavi: what in particular?
<mindavi> In this case, dtbtool
<mindavi> I was looking at the hydra logs and saw some failures for different tools that seemed easy to resolve
<mindavi> So I wanted to take a stab at it
<samueldr> nix-build --argstr device [device-with-right-arch] -A pkgs.dtbtool
<samueldr> so e.g.
<samueldr> nix-build --argstr device asus-z00t -A pkgs.dtbtool # for aarch64-linux
<samueldr> the default.nix exposes the whole package set
<mindavi> This doesn't seem right: error: getting status of '/home/rick/hobby/mobile-nixos/pkgs.dtbtool': No such file or directory
<samueldr> missing the -A ?
<samueldr> (I don't use the `nix` command, so I'm not sure how it would be with `nix build`)
<mindavi> nix-build --argstr $MOBILE_NIXOS_DEVICE -A pkgs.dtbtool
<samueldr> --argstr needs 2 arguments
<mindavi> Oops
<samueldr> first is the argument name (device) and second is what you need :)
<samueldr> so it was eating the `-A`
<samueldr> I still don't know what I should do for a more "proper" UX for just building a package
<samueldr> it is really cumbersome with that method
<mindavi> Thanks :)
<mindavi> Hmm yeah it's not very friendly, but it works
<mindavi> At least
<mindavi> I guess I gotta find the correct device now
<samueldr> examples: asus-z00t for aarch64, asus-flo for armv7l, uefi-x86_64 for x86_64
<samueldr> none of the devices should be altering generic packages
<samueldr> so it's more about forcing evaluation for the right pkgsCross
<mindavi> Oh, and dtbTool should be with a capital
<mindavi> Now I get something :)
<mindavi> One of these days the fix for gtk-doc should go from staging to master as well, which should fix some of the builds of mobile-nixos hydra
<samueldr> yeah, I'm not *too* concerned right now with those
<samueldr> Mindavi: you saw I added "canaries" to the project, right?
<samueldr> if you have anything you know can get problematic with cross-compilation and Mobile NixOS, and is a good indicator of regressions in a well-constrained setup, please suggest canaries :)
<mindavi> I remember looking at those, but forgot about it again. I'll let you know if I find anything :) I see that those are also broken due to the gtk-doc errors, so hopefully they get fixed too on hydra
<samueldr> yeah, I specifically chose things that show specific issues, pain points mainly
<mindavi> For now I haven't really seen anything misbehaving, except for text looking really wonky on sway
<mindavi> I did get sway running on my pinephone with a cross build, so I'm happy about that :)
<samueldr> nice to hear
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<hexa-> hrm, how far out is the quartz64?
<samueldr> no idea
<samueldr> but the way development's been going, we'll have to wait for more mainlining to happen I guess
<samueldr> but already it's happening
<samueldr> the last pine64 community update has more details about the plan for producing hardware, and the currrent challenges
<samueldr> if that was more what you were asking about
<hexa-> kinbda
<hexa-> kinda*
<hexa-> I recently saw some patches on netdev regarding rk3566/rk3568
<hexa-> so mainling is happening
<samueldr> yeah, that's coming from pine user-developers :)
<samueldr> but before considering a quartz64, I'd wait for more user-developers to further make the kernel support better
<hexa-> actually the patches on netdev are from a guy @rock-chips.com
<hexa-> and one from collabora
<hexa-> collabora usually does consulting and contract work on these kinds of things
<hexa-> so not sure they are strictly user-developers
<hexa-> yup, reading
<samueldr> I meant that it wasn't done by pine64
<samueldr> probably people that have been chosen to get the board in exchange of working on early things
<samueldr> but maybe they were hired!
<hexa-> awh sweet, the model b has an nvme slot on the back
<samueldr> I really haven't looked in details at what they'll be
<samueldr> so it's nice to see
<samueldr> how is this new family of chips comparing against other contemporary SoC families?
<hexa-> I haven't seen any benchmarks yet, but in general they're moving from A53 to A55
<hexa-> that's like 5y of progress if I can trust the wikipedia articles
<samueldr> oh, though not a big.LITTLE thingy
<samueldr> I hadn't even looked at the cores
<samueldr> or any spec
<samueldr> >> triple display support
<samueldr> finally!
<hexa-> lol
<samueldr> right, so both boards are A-55
<samueldr> I'm not joking btw
<hexa-> tbh, I'm looking forward to the model b, no display :)
<hexa-> I mostly need headless compute with proper network access
<hexa-> and proper usb pd power
<hexa-> 4 cores, 8 GB ram
<samueldr> oh, yes, too
<samueldr> but I find it irritating to see SBCs with only one display output because the SoC can't do better
<samueldr> if they want to be NUC-like, they need to come with the features one would want!
<hexa-> oh yeah, that would be a great form factor and market to enter
<samueldr> "we", as in the whole computer world, needs an "i5 nuc, but with ARM"
<samueldr> so not a low power thingy
<samueldr> something you would use, multiple displays, browse the modern web, and other less intensive tasks like compiling the kernel, doing 3D stuff, gaming
<samueldr> I guess the on-die GPUs are not really there with hw support yet, not sure about actual power
<samueldr> thinking mali
<hexa-> panvk :)
<hexa-> not sure how recent midgard and bifrost are
<hexa-> > Mali-G52 2EE Bifrost GPU@800MHz
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected '@', expecting ')', at (string):494:25
<hexa-> on the quartz64
<zhaofeng1> RK3399 has Midgard
<hexa-> ah ok
<samueldr> yeah, and putting more mali in the hands of the right people will help making it better in the end
<hexa-> so last gen and current gen :)
<samueldr> but I was thinking compared to how recent x86_64 SoC gpus
<samueldr> like the AMD ones
<samueldr> if we could have a radeon gpu on an ARM SoC for a NUC-like
<samueldr> that would be lovely
<hexa-> yikes
<samueldr> yikes?
<hexa-> game changer
<samueldr> samsung is maybe going back to amd with a radeon in their next exynos
<zhaofeng1> By the way, does anyone know any more recent "Linux handheld with a physical keyboard" alternative to PocketCHIP? For some reason I really want to get my hands on one
<samueldr> alternative, because you cannot get a pocketchip?
<samueldr> A64, should be trivial to get supported
<zhaofeng1> I have a CHIP from a few years back (no PocketCHIP enclosure), and it's pretty slow (also armv7)
<samueldr> but it's an A64
<samueldr> it looked interesting enough to me to debate whether I should get one or not
<samueldr> but at the price, and I already have other A64 devices I don't use
<zhaofeng1> Yeah, I saw their stuff and am pretty interested in their relationship to Next Thing Co
<samueldr> I probably wouldn't have ended up using it
<zhaofeng1> If I remember correctly R8 was a SoC specially made for NTC