<samueldr>
(though I guess the recent bootrom exploits on MTK hardware should fix that)
<samueldr>
for the time being, there are no devices other than the pinephone that are expected to have "full hardware support" in the close future
<samueldr>
but I'll be working on figuring out some of the hardware on some android phones later down the road
<ryantrinkle>
hmm, ok
<ryantrinkle>
how usable is the pinephone these days?
<samueldr>
on NixOS, less than on other distros
<samueldr>
(but not by much)
<samueldr>
on other distros, some people say it's possible to daily drive it
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<ryantrinkle>
voice, text, and a web browser would be enough for me to give it a solid try
<ryantrinkle>
is that in the realm of possibility?
<samueldr>
voice calls / sms are yet untested by myself, but it's probably working since network over LTE worked
<samueldr>
(I don't have a voice/sms plan)
<samueldr>
so yeah, realm of possibility
<ryantrinkle>
ah ok
<samueldr>
I don't think it's a bad device, but it's not a "good" device either
<ryantrinkle>
there were also things about routing the audio to the modem
<ryantrinkle>
which people were messing with in other distros
<samueldr>
yeah
<samueldr>
that's one of the issues, but nothing specific to my work :)
<samueldr>
it's also about *improving* all that
<ryantrinkle>
right
<samueldr>
it's also a good enough device because it will be one with the most community work
<ryantrinkle>
yeah, i don't really care much about it being powerful
<ryantrinkle>
it'd be nice if the camera were better, but i can live with it
<samueldr>
it's also pretty safe to mess around with
<samueldr>
software-wise
<ryantrinkle>
right!
<ryantrinkle>
tbqh that is my main issue with android
<samueldr>
even the modem is pretty safe to mess around software-wise
<samueldr>
so there's been some work to liberate it more
<samueldr>
reduce the amount of blobbiness
<ryantrinkle>
i'm here because my oneplus 7 pro with lineageos can't connect to mobile data anymore
<ryantrinkle>
and i know that if i try to fix it
<samueldr>
:/
<ryantrinkle>
there's a very good chance i'll break it completely
<ryantrinkle>
and i also know that restoring an android device from backup is a nightmare
<ryantrinkle>
(and not to mention incomplete)
<samueldr>
ah, "breakt it completely" but not actually :)
<samueldr>
just hose your own setup :)
<ryantrinkle>
right
<ryantrinkle>
all my other machines are nixos with configurations for system and home in git
<samueldr>
because when I'm thinking safe to mess with, I'm thinking stuff like you can erase its storage and it'll still work
<samueldr>
if you were to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/... on android you messed up bad
<ryantrinkle>
right!
<ryantrinkle>
i did that once :P
<samueldr>
some OEMs you can recover... not all
<ryantrinkle>
it didn't even occur to me that that would be such a big deal
<samueldr>
it's terrible that it has to be a big deal
<ryantrinkle>
i hope at some point they make a pinephone plus :P
<ryantrinkle>
i'd be happy to pay way, way more
<samueldr>
let's hope they figure out a good next step
<samueldr>
there's not many SoCs that are applicable here sadly
<samueldr>
being in that position I'd get in touch with either MTK or Qualcomm and see if anything can be done
<samueldr>
but really that's a tall order
<samueldr>
MTK have terrible software (ports)
<samueldr>
qualcomm is better... but built on old stuff generally
<samueldr>
and leaving all of that to the community is rude
<samueldr>
the main reason the pinephone was able to get up to speed quickly is that the A64 already had pretty amazing support in u-boot and linux mainline
<ryantrinkle>
right, that definitely makes sense
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<ryantrinkle>
samueldr: well, i'm gonna try mobian on pinephone and see how much i can use it for
<ryantrinkle>
i might end up carrying two phones all the time for a while :P
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<vikanezrimaya>
Hello! This is a reminder that RFC0087 that wants to promote aarch64-linux to Tier 1 support is currently open for Shepherd nominations: https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/87
<{^_^}>
rfcs#87 (by kisik21, 3 weeks ago, open): [RFC 0087] Promote aarch64-linux to Tier 1 support
<vikanezrimaya>
(Disclaimer: I'm the author and I'm shamelessly promoting this RFC so it would gain more eyes on it)
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<Ke>
I don't know how this works, what needs to be done?
<Ke>
isn't it all politics now?
<Ke>
not that I have anything useful to contribute here
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