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<vcunat> if it's like here, the taxes surely get computed a different way every (other) year
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 6254012 Tuomas Tynkkynen: nspluginwrapper: Only works on x86...
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<gchristensen> vcunat: are you still thinking the meta check will still be based on if stderr is empty?
<vcunat> gchristensen: not necessarily, but that's how the PR is filed ATM
<gchristensen> ok
<vcunat> for many errors I couldn't afford to re-run after every change
<gchristensen> I definitely understand, it takes so long
<gchristensen> nice catch on allowInsecurePredicate = x: true;
<vcunat> I didn't even test if that one works
<vcunat> but we have very few of such packages, I think
<joepie91> vcunat: sure, but nevertheless newer versions of the software really *should* be capable of at least *showing* you previous tax returns :P
<joepie91> just the data you've filed
<joepie91> also, I think I'm going to do a WINE overlay
<joepie91> like, a public one
<joepie91> + binary cache
<vcunat> yes, showing after years is nice. That's what PDFs are often for :-)
<vcunat> I wonder how to ensure discoverability of (packages in) such overlays
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<joepie91> probably a search of some kind :)
<gchristensen> I don't feel too fussed about overlays
<gchristensen> getting a regular check in regular nixpkgs will go a long way
<joepie91> gchristensen: 'check' of what kind?
<vcunat> I'm not certain that the monolithic nixpkgs repository will be a good way in the long term
<gchristensen> eyah
<joepie91> gchristensen: it just checks that all metadata is present and in a canonical format, or?
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<gchristensen> joepie91: yeah, that the metadata provided is valid metadata
<joepie91> also, for a non-monolithic approach, I think it's currently an unsolved problem on how to do cross-'repository' dependencies
<gchristensen> meta isn't free-form, it pretty much has a schema
<joepie91> right
<vcunat> some parts at least might be good to split - like those generated from other repositories
<Ralith> I wish nix would pipeline its downloads from the binary cache
<vcunat> cross-repo dependencies can be handled in various ways, e.g. git submodules, import-from-fetch, ...
<Ralith> I'm spending like 90% of download time on connection establishment
<vcunat> oh, it doesn't pipeline?
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<joepie91> I think it just queues 'build tasks' with a fixed amount of parallel tasks
<joepie91> and a task may either grab from binary cache or do an actual build
<joepie91> if I recall correctly
<joepie91> there's no separate download pipelining afaik, nor a separate concurrency setting for that
<Ralith> it's not really a concurrency thing per se, just a "do a bunch of things in sequence without being horifically inefficient" thing
* Ralith wonders why glslang always builds from source
<joepie91> Ralith: oh sorry, do you mean HTTP pipelining?
<joepie91> I thought you were referring to pipelining as a more general concept
<joepie91> don't think HTTP pipelining is necessarily something that's possible given that it downloads stuff through cURL
<Ralith> joepie91: I did mean HTTP pipelining, and it is absolutely possible, and the solution probably involves not execing cURL :P
<gchristensen> I don't think nars are fetched by execing curl in 1.1
<joepie91> I'm actually wondering whether aria might fix this
<gchristensen> 1.12, it probably uses pipelining
<joepie91> gchristensen: 1.1? :)
<gchristensen> I don't think nars are fetched by execing curl in 1.12, it probably uses pipelining
<Ralith> execing another downloader doesn't magically make the problem going away
<Ralith> execing an external downloader is the root problem
<gchristensen> Ralith: yes
<joepie91> also, I'm pretty sure I see cURL output in my Nix
<Ralith> gchristensen: exciting, I hope you're right!
<joepie91> Ralith: I'm talking about aria specifically because iirc it can operate in daemon mode
<Ralith> that will make big upgrades SO much faster
<joepie91> so it would be a drop-in-ish replacement in taht sense
<joepie91> that*
<joepie91> of course integrated downloading might be a better option
<vcunat> for me nix regularly gets to 10 MB/s from cache.nixos.org
<Ralith> argh and it's compiling mono from source too
<joshuaks> aye
<joshuaks> hey all
<Ralith> @_@
<joepie91> vcunat: download perf actually varies strongly for me, but I rarely max out my connection
<joepie91> (160/160)
<joepie91> usually Fast Enough though
<joepie91> 7MB/sec or thereabouts
<Ralith> gchristensen: good to see there's probably no exec, but that doesn't necessarily entail making efficient use of the connection
<gchristensen> Ralith: you might be right, but based on the architecture of that code I'd guess it doees
<vcunat> at least the first phase should be pipelined https://github.com/NixOS/nix/commit/90ad02bf626b885a5dd8967894e2eafc953bdf92
<gchristensen> curl_multi_setopt(curlm, CURLMOPT_PIPELINING, CURLPIPE_MULTIPLEX); and this seems good
<vcunat> but you most likely need nix-1.12 which isn't default yet
<Ralith> sweet!
* gchristensen should switch to 1.12 and start finding rough edges
<Ralith> yes, it is glaringly obviously missing in 17.09
<gchristensen> 1.12 is still "unstable"
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<gchristensen> supportedSystems = [ "x86_64-linux" "i686-linux" "x86_64-darwin" "aarch64-linux" ]; <- when do we add labels for each of these archs? :)
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<vcunat> gchristensen: what kind of labels?
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<vcunat> those about rebuild amount?
<gchristensen> well it is just setting it to me that aarch64-linux's stdenv could be different from x86_64-linux's stdenv. yeah, rebuild amount
<vcunat> "aarch64-linux" should be the first step, I think
<vcunat> but the linuxes usually have similar rebuild proportions
<gchristensen> then should "10.rebuild-linux: 1-10" be renamed to "10.rebuild-x86_64-linux: 1-10"
<gchristensen> truee
<vcunat> perhaps the labels don't need to be too fine-grained
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<vcunat> and we can e.g. lump both linuxes together
<gchristensen> probably not. we probably don't need a label for aarch64
<vcunat> (sum the counts)
<gchristensen> ah!
<gchristensen> we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
<vcunat> if it's easy to add some link to extra info in the box with the borg checks, there could be details like that
<vcunat> (in future)
<gchristensen> great idea
<Ralith> if nixos-install is hanging in a stalled download (why is there no sane timeout?!) is it safe to restart it, or will that lose all the work up 'til now?
<gchristensen> one day we may need to stop abusing gistst
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<vcunat> the labels seem mainly useful to decide whether the PR needs to go throu staging or not
<vcunat> Ralith: unfinished downloads are lost
<joshuaks> Does anyone have experience installing nix on BSD?
<Ralith> vcunat: it's not the unfinished download I'm worried about, it's the hour of work before that...
<gchristensen> Ralith: it won't lose it
<vcunat> finished downloads and builds aren't lost
<Ralith> kk good
<gchristensen> IIRC you can run nixos-install on top of an existing installation even and it'll be fine
<joepie91> yep
<joepie91> although I ran it with all the --skip-* flags
<joepie91> to recover a... something
<joepie91> I don't recall what I broke, but it was definitely something
<joepie91> bootloader maybe?
<Ralith> neat
* Ralith wonders why the hell github's so broken
<Ralith> got it on the fourth try @_@
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 65ace59 Tuomas Tynkkynen: tboot: Only works on x86...
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master a23a2e2 adisbladis: firefox-beta-bin: 58.0b8 -> 58.0b9
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 6b7e12b adisbladis: firefox-devedition-bin: 58.0b8 -> 58.0b9
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging 9ab5848 Vladimír Čunát: Merge branch 'master' into staging...
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<joshuaks> Hey, I'm having trouble following this pill (https://nixos.org/nixos/nix-pills/working-derivation.html#idm140737316336544)
<joshuaks> When I run `:b simple` I get three erros saying: clang isn't installed
<joshuaks> And two others: one saying mkdir doesn't exist and one saying that gcc can't be found (which I just installed it)
<joshuaks> I'm a little confused also, I thought the build process would pull in dependencies. Especially gcc since it's declare. Not sure why it cannot be found.
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<gchristensen> hmm that pill is a bit out of date for current best practices
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<gchristensen> can you paste your c program exactly, the simple_builder.sh, and the nix-repl session?
<joshuaks> yeah
<joshuaks> simple.c
<joshuaks> void main(){
<joshuaks> puts("Simple!");
<gchristensen> ack
<joshuaks> }
<gchristensen> please use a pastebin
<joshuaks> crap sorry
<gchristensen> it is ok :)
<joshuaks> simple.c: https://pastebin.com/GWG1K1Fm
<joshuaks> simple_builder.sh: https://pastebin.com/btc9JR5g
<gchristensen> how about your nix-repl session?
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<joshuaks> Uhm I just ran `nix-repl`
<gchristensen> yeah, just copy-paste all the things you typed in and got back
<joshuaks> ack
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<joshuaks> I'm on macOS btw - probably important to mention
<gchristensen> ohh
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<joshuaks> does not sound like good news
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<gchristensen> joshuaks: instead of gcc = gcc; try: gcc = stdenv.cc;
<gchristensen> then :b simple
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<gchristensen> ok I'm getting to the outmost stretches of my knowledge of compiler toolchains here
<gchristensen> but in simple_builder.sh change gcc -o to cc -o
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<joshuaks> no problem :) any help is appreciated
<gchristensen> you'll then need to exit and re-start nix-repl
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<gchristensen> (Ithink)
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<joshuaks> YOU'RE A HERO
<joshuaks> it works
<gchristensen> w00t!
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<joshuaks> Do you have an explanation for this or were you just brainstorming?
<gchristensen> I do, while I write ethat can you file an issue with https://github.com/NixOS/nix-pills/ ?
<joshuaks> yup
<gchristensen> gcc is remapped to the standard compiler toolchain, I think, on macos (clang) so instead of putting gcc in to the path we used stdenv.cc, the current platform's standard compiler toolset
<gchristensen> then changing from calling gcc to cc and done
<gchristensen> many of the pills were written several years ago, and only in the last few months were we able to improve them. still lots of work to do :)
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<joshuaks> Ok issue submitted
<joshuaks> So why didn't install gcc work? Or am I completely missing the point?
<gchristensen> well `gcc` in this case (because you're on macos) is secretly a gcc-wrapper around clang
<gchristensen> anyway, I've gotta run for the night. good luck :)
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<joshuaks> ahhh ok
<joshuaks> thanks
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<joshuaks> I appreciate the help
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] gebner closed pull request #32347: procmail: fix CVE-2017-16844 (master...procmail-cve-2017-16844) https://git.io/vbZTj
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<ivanivan> Can anyone offer guidance on how to port my ~/.vim/{autoload,ftdetect,ftplugin,syntax} into NixOS configs?
<ivanivan> I'm using vim_configurable to get most of my vimrc stuff, but not sure how to port these other bits over
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] peterhoeg pushed 1 new commit to release-17.09: https://git.io/vbnnn
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 1b8ce0e Wout Mertens: open-vm-tools: Fix rebooting on NixOS...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] peterromfeldhk opened pull request #32367: softhsm: darwin support (master...softhsm-darwin) https://git.io/vbnnx
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<Ralith> HTPC satisfactorily NixOS'd
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] adisbladis closed pull request #32367: softhsm: darwin support (master...softhsm-darwin) https://git.io/vbnnx
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<Ralith> ended up installing some kodi addons imperatively because I am lazy
<t184256> Could anybody help me with example "9.11.1.1.3.1. Load environment from .nix expression" from https://nixos.org/nixpkgs/manual/#using-python?
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<t184256> I run nix-shell -p 'python35.withPackages (ps: [ps.numpy ps.toolz])', I get python with numpy.
<t184256> I follow the example putting pretty much the same into shell.nix, I get no python in path.
<t184256> Tried 17.09 and unstable, same results. It sure must be me, right? It's the example.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rvl opened pull request #32368: Saxons (master...saxons) https://git.io/vbncu
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<Havvy> What is gcc-wrapper and how is it different from gcc?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] peterromfeldhk opened pull request #32369: fastlane: 2.66.2 -> 2.68.2 (master...fastlane) https://git.io/vbnCf
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #32370: nixos/libvirt: remove dependency on two qemu packages (master...libvirt-fix) https://git.io/vbnCC
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] chris-martin opened pull request #32371: libu2f-host: fix typo in description (master...patch-2) https://git.io/vbnCx
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<Guest32364> If you create your own modules for personal use
<Guest32364> And you need to provide options
<Guest32364> What should the namespace be for these options
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<Guest32364> So it doesn't conflict with existing options?
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<Guest32364> Another question, how to create conditional imports?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] jtojnar pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbnlo
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 58b281c John Ramsden: onboard: init at 1.4.1...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master fcd04a9 Jan Tojnar: Merge pull request #24986 from johnramsden/master...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] P-E-Meunier opened pull request #32373: Gollum: enable emoji and file uploads (master...patch-3) https://git.io/vbn83
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #32374: google-chrome: meta.platrofms linux -> "x86_64-linux" (master...patch-75) https://git.io/vbn4V
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<Guest32364> Is there a way to use mkIf to simulate a switch on an enum option?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] bjornfor pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbnB4
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 5a5325d Pierre Carrier: nixos/modules/services/hardware/u2f: init
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master c29db1d Chris Martin: libu2f-host: fix typo in description
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<srhb> Guest32364: Can you elaborate?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] bjornfor closed pull request #32371: libu2f-host: fix typo in description (master...patch-2) https://git.io/vbnCx
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] bjornfor closed pull request #32069: nixos/modules/services/hardware/u2f: init (master...pcarrier/yubikey) https://git.io/vFjg8
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<tnks> what's the recommended way to test if a string contains a substring?
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<tnks> I feel I'm missing something.
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<srhb> tnks: I think there's a helper for that in lib strings
<hyper_ch> tnks: in bash?
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<srhb> tnks: Oh apparently it's builtins.substring
<srhb> No it isn't... >_>
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] bjornfor pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbnBj
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 6334a85 volth: google-chrome: meta.platforms "linux" -> "x86_64-linux"...
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 39af54f Vincent Laporte: ocamlPackages.hex: 1.0.0 -> 1.2.0
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<tnks> hmm... I guess you can't filterSource in stages?
<tnks> because the output of a filterSource ends up in /nix/store and Nix tries hard not to have references to /nix/store in a derivation.
<tnks> (feel free to convince me otherwise).
<sphalerite> tnks: you can, but it ends up using more space
<srhb> Is schneefux here under some name?
<sphalerite> You can compose filter functions together though
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<tnks> sphalerite: I tried to do it in a REPL, and got the "cannot refer to other paths" error.
<sphalerite> tnks: how exactly?
<tnks> builtins.filterSource (t: p: true) (builtins.filterSource (t: p: true) ./.)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] peti closed pull request #32324: haskellPackages.tmp-postgres: Add pginit dependency (master...tmp-postgres) https://git.io/vbsH1
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<sphalerite> Huh
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<sphalerite> Ok
<sphalerite> Why do you want to do that anyway?
<tnks> sphalerite: I've been writing a library to do basic stuff to keep my derivations simple.
<tnks> for Python, we have a lot of common filters, so I did that in an outside layer.
<tnks> but then I wanted to overlay it with more specialized filters for this one project.
<tnks> nodding off, but I'll hopefully catch logs if you reply.
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<sphalerite> tnks: make the library contain the filter functions and only apply filterSource at the end
<tnks> sphalerite: yeah, I was just thinking of the same thing.
<tnks> but I'll do this tomorrow.
<tnks> thanks for the chat.
<sphalerite> Maybe also convenience functions for composing several
<sphalerite> Np
<sphalerite> Sort of like liftA2 (&&) and liftA2 (||) in Haskell if that means anything to you
<tnks> it does... but DSLs in Nix suck compared to Haskell.
<tnks> and no type checker to guide users when things get complicated.
<sphalerite> Yeah
<sphalerite> We need more hnix :D
<srhb> Or more dhallnix
<hyper_ch> hmmm, need to update to kernel 4.15 :)
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<srhb> sphalerite tnks: I think we can basically do dhall already.
<sphalerite> I haven't looked at dhall in detail yet, does it allow stuff like that better?
<srhb> Yes, absolutely. But you still do have the interface problem.
<srhb> At least you're compiling to Nix through a safer language.
<srhb> I've yet to see a dhallized package in nixpkgs though. It should be entirely trivial to do it, however. :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #32375: oraclejdk: remove redundant asserts (master...oracle-jdk-remove-redundand-asserts) https://git.io/vbnEq
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] alexanderkjeldaas opened pull request #32376: Added ROCK kernel which is required by AMDs ROCm project (master...ak/kernel-4.11-kfd) https://git.io/vbnzs
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 3 new commits to release-17.09: https://git.io/vbngd
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 afa6dfa SLNOS: firefoxPackages: move old firefox flags under isTorBrowserLike...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 7857fdd Orivej Desh: firefoxPackages: tor-browser: fix build...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 22fdd31 SLNOS: firefoxPackages: tor-browser: 52.3.0esr-7.0.1 -> 52.5.0esr-7.0-1...
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<TimePath> Could I use nix as a module system for a programming language?
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<srhb> TimePath: What would that imply?
<TimePath> allowing nix to manage dependencies between files, and ultimately be responsible for building an executable or library file-by-file
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<TimePath> or am I better off compiling to a nix expression, and passing that off to nix?
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<srhb> I think the question is too general to be answered easily.
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<srhb> I mean, this is essentially what the haskell infrastructure does, but it's not what some of the other language infrastructures do.
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<srhb> (Well, sort of, on the package level)
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<TimePath> I'd like to go all the way to files if possible
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master acab619 Peter Hoeg: freeorion: 0.4.6 -> 0.4.7.1...
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<TimePath> I'm already familiar with using nix to build C, C++ and javascript projects
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] markuskowa opened pull request #32378: airspy: init at 1.0.9 (master...master) https://git.io/vbn2g
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<TimePath> They all end up invoking another build tool
<TimePath> I'd like nix to be that build tool
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<srhb> No idea how that would work. Sounds like every file would go in the nix store individually.
<srhb> But I don't think I have enough of an idea to really comment on it. :)
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<TimePath> yes, I'm okay with that
<srhb> Perhaps some of the reproducible build people have already considered this.
<srhb> They might be the people to talk to.
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<nix-gsc-io`bot> Channel nixos-unstable-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/6b7e12b738e (from 8 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-unstable-small)
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<TimePath> I've got a bit of an idea, but I don't see it working without language support
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<TimePath> when using nix as a make replacement, nix doesn't know about the dependencies between files
<TimePath> I can think of a few ways to analyze a language and produce a nix build script as output
<TimePath> with working inter-file dependencies (maybe not circular, though)
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<TimePath> circular dependencies are awful anyway
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vbgl opened pull request #32379: ocamlPackages.lambdaTerm: 1.11 -> 1.12.0 (master...lambda-term-1.12.0) https://git.io/vbnac
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 closed pull request #32373: nixos/gollum: enable emoji and file uploads (master...patch-3) https://git.io/vbn83
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<sphalerite> what's the neatest way to get the cartesian product of two lists in nix?
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<srhb> sphalerite: concatMap?
<sphalerite> oooh of course
<sphalerite> thanks
<srhb> :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 15 new commits to release-17.09: https://git.io/vbnrY
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 c3c92aa Aleksey Kladov: jetbrains.pycharm-community: 2017.2.3 -> 2017.2.4...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 df35d12 Aleksey Kladov: jetbrains.pycharm-professional: 2017.2.3 -> 2017.2.4...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 7ec2d6b Aleksey Kladov: jetbrains.webstorm: 2017.2.4 -> 2017.2.5...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh closed pull request #32097: Add pythonPackages.salmon and dependencies (master...add-python-salmon) https://git.io/vbez1
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<fearlessKim[m]> while deplying on nixops I get "Failed to get blkid info (returned 512) for / on /dev/root at /nix/store/0cmdnxzpkqpmagm1bpwcf832lbkb3iy1-install-grub.pl" but I don't know why (the "512" retcode is my addition) . As a user, blkid /nix/store/d47k42zaany60awacqjn02nanm1rkycv-util-linux-2.31-bin/bin/blkid -o export /dev/root runs fine
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 40af771 Peter Hoeg: tests: logToJournal has been renamed
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<modulistic> hello, I made a torrent file for the current nixos graphical livecd, here's the magnet:
<modulistic> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:dabcf6366f53e5a4aa9af50bac9d4d8aa7658351&dn=nixos-graphical-17.09.2281.b4a0c011e81-x86_64-linux.iso
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<modulistic> I won't be seeding for days, I'm just sharing in case someone is by chance trying to download it right now
<makefu> modulistic: why exactly? is the current livecd from the website broken?
<modulistic> hi makefu I hope it's not broken, as I made the torrent from there :)
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<makefu> okay, but why exactly did you create a torrent from it? isn't the cd fast enough?
<makefu> cdn*
<modulistic> I was trying to find a torrent in the downloads page
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<modulistic> I don't know how expensive is to serve from the CDN but I usually try to get large isos bia BT
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<modulistic> The CDN is quite fast, actually
<makefu> wow that is very forthcoming. i never really thought about it like this
<modulistic> sorry, perhaps this has been already discussed here and I am just making noise, I didn't search the channel archives or anything
<makefu> right now the cdn is sponsored by logicblox i think
<makefu> no need to be sorry, i am just thinking about if and how to incorporate torrents to the download page
<modulistic> I guess, if it was really expensive for the sponsor, we would already have a BT link on the downloads page :)
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<woffs> It is always better not to depend on 1 sponsor
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<woffs> So I'm seeing AWS and github with mixed emotions here
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<jluttine> how can i make 32bit builds? i'm building an iso image with "nix-build '<nixpkgs/nixos>' -A config.system.build.isoImage -I nixos-config=iso.nix". how can i make it 32bit?
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<makefu> woffs: i totally agree, there also are efforts in decentralising the binary cache. afair there is an alternative binary cache which is community driven. there are also efforts in providing the binary cache via ipfs
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<woffs> jluttine: --argstr system i686-linux
<jluttine> woffs: ok, thanks, i'll try that!
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 04333fa Peter Simons: ghc: add 8.2.2-rc2...
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<sphalerite> woffs: modulistic : bittorrent isn't really appropriate for nixos ISOs as they get rebuilt pretty frequently
<sphalerite> The current one is build from a commit from the 28th of November
<sphalerite> built*
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] LnL7 opened pull request #1714: ssh-store: fix length when writing nar (master...fix-ssh-store-nar) https://git.io/vbnXN
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 19723a6 José Romildo Malaquias: adapta-backgrounds: 0.4.0.6 -> 0.5.1.1
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 0226077 José Romildo Malaquias: gcal: init at 4.1
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<sphalerite> Does zfs make sense on low-power devices? Like my Chromebook which has 2GB of RAM, 16GB internal storage and a not-hugely-powerf ARMv7 CPU?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] LambdaP opened pull request #32382: ddate: add Darwin as a target (master...ddate-on-darwin) https://git.io/vbnSV
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<woffs> sphalerite: I'm not sure. Depends on your expectations. Did you ask in #zfsonlinux?
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<sphalerite> No. That might make sense to do actually :D
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<woffs> sphalerite: ZFS eats RAM. If you need all 2GB for your applications, you shoud use more thin fs.
<sphalerite> Isn't that just for caching though, and effectively just a difference in how the kernel reports it?
<sphalerite> Lol let's keep it in there then x)
<woffs> :-)
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master f9a5cac Eshin Kunishima: logkeys: 2015-11-10 -> 2017-10-10
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rycee closed pull request #32316: logkeys: 2015-11-10 -> 2017-10-10 (master...pkg/logkeys) https://git.io/vbsmb
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<sphalerite> Infinisil danbst phdoerfler: thanks for your work on nixos-mailserver! Finally got the replacement for an old Debian server deployed today
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<sphalerite> Real weight off my shoulders
<sphalerite> Also anyone else who might be here (couldn't find any of the other contributor's names here)
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<Turion> I'm still having the following problem: In a `nix-shell -p mesa mesa_glu freeglut`, try to install and run a haskell cabal package depending on OpenGL. It will give the error "unknown GLUT entry glutInit".
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<Turion> Am I even doing the right thing? Should I be developing like this? How would you build a Haskell/OpenGL project?
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<avn> Turion: stack --nix, or cabal2nix and nix-shell
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<Turion> avn: stack fails with unrelated errors on my machine. I'll try cabal2nix, thanks!
<avn> is also stack2nix exists, but it still incomplete
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<Turion> Hmmm... cabal2nix --shell gives me an invalid .nix file
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<Turion> I think it chokes on a package that is on hackage, but not in nixpkgs
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<avn> yes, then you try stack2nix (works, but w/o tests)
<Turion> I stand corrected, the dependency *is* in nixpkgs. It just fails like tha
<Turion> avn: I don't have a valid stack file yet (since stack errors for different reasons)
<avn> well, you should start from fixing your .cabal and stack files
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<Turion> avn: My .cabal file is valid. I tried to run "stack init --solve" a few times, but it just throws a weird exception (seems to be a completely unrelated bug)
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<Turion> Happy to fix that though, if you can help me :)
<ati-radeon> I see that linux kernels older than 4.4 are no longer present as a linuxPackages_<version>, and it seems I will have to go back to version 4.2 for my video card to work, what is the best way to realize this in NixOS?
<avn> Turion: try handwritten stack.yaml and run `stack --nix build`
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<avn> Turion: possible you need add --nix switch to other stack commands as well
<sphalerite> ati-radeon: ouch. Probably to have a checkout of nixpkgs and revert the commits that update the kernel beyond supporting it
<sphalerite> Not sure though
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<avn> it enable some internal magic related to nix, and force stack to use nix-shell invernally for invoking ghc and providing system (non-haskell) dependencies
<Turion> avn: Yes, seems like I'll have to do that :/ a bit daunting to write a stack.yaml from scratch without previous experience maybe...
<Turion> ati-radeon: I reverted the commit that discarded the 4.1 kernel locally, worked out fine so far
<ati-radeon> sphalerite: I will try that, thanks, plan B will be to use another distro and just use the Nix package manager, or virtualize NixOS within Windows 10
<ati-radeon> Turion: So you just patched only the kernel bit of your nixpkgs checkout?
<sphalerite> ati-radeon: good luck!
<ati-radeon> sphalerite: Thanks! :)
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<avn> Turion: copy-paste from similiar project should help ;)
<Turion> ati-radeon: Basically. I needed to change a line or two because I couldn't find a certain patch that seemed to be needed. Since then I'm doing "nix-rebuild --switch -I path/to/my/local/nixpkgs"
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<avn> ati-radeon: what card you have, and why it not work with recent kernels?
<Turion> avn: Hmm, yes. I don't really understand how to add dependencies on packages that aren't in the stackage lts or any other snapsho
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<ati-radeon> avn: ATI Radeon HD7870 XT Boost, it crashes with recent kernels with "amd" (logged) and with "amdgpu" it simply freezes without logging any error
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<ati-radeon> avn: I tried several kernel parameters that apparently worked for some, but without any success, and when I look at the specification for the official driver of the card, it supports only up to kernel 4.2, so I hope that if I run kernel 4.2 and use that driver, that it will work
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Izorkin opened pull request #32385: mydumper: init at 0.9.3 (master...mydumper) https://git.io/vbnAj
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<Turion> avn: I'm getting the following error when I run stack init --solver:
<Turion> CallStack (from HasCallStack):
<Turion> error, called at src/Stack/Solver.hs:187:16 in stack-1.5.1-9Xk9HeLj9iJ1Qq0tTNoCkk:Stack.Solver
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<nixy_> This may have a trivial answer, but how would I run a nixos module from nixos-unstable in my configuration.nix
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<nixy_> I've realized my tor node is running tor out of nixos-17.09, which is a bit old for my taste
<avn> Turion: well, better ask stack authors then. I prefer to use cabal2nix when possible
<tilpner> nixy_ - I have imports = [ (unstableSrc.path + /nixos/modules/installer/cd-dvd/iso-image.nix) ]; in my iso device config, where unstableSrc is nixos-unstable
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<tilpner> nixy_ - If your setup allows it, you could also make it accessible via NIX_PATH, so that you can do imports = [ <unstable/nixos/modules/installed/cd-dvd/iso-image.nix> ];
<tomster> hi there, how can i install a particular rubygem into a nix-shell?
<tilpner> nixy_ - That alone will only work for modules not currently imported. If there are duplicates, it will probably conflict
<tomster> i want to install a chef extension into a nix-shell into which i've installed the chefdk package
<nixy_> I was about to say how does this handle conflicts, is there a way to overwrite
<tilpner> nixy_ - There is a way to blacklist modules by name
<tomster> if i add ruby to the package list of the shell and then gem install the gem the gem is installed but the chef doesn't "see" it
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<Turion> avn: Ok. Thanks for your help so far!
<avn> Turion: I would like to help more, but can't, is out of my knowledge
<avn> ati-radeon: what chip (codename) this card have? And do you try open drivers or propietary one?
<avn> ati-radeon: I am sure, that these models should works with open drivers
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<ati-radeon> avn: Pitcairn (Southern Islands)
<tilpner> nixy_ - I haven't found any documentation, you can try to go from here: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/lib/tests/modules/disable-enable-modules.nix
<ati-radeon> avn: I tried open drivers ("amd" and "amdgpu")
<tilpner> nixy_ - I was wrong, there is documentation! https://nixos.org/nixos/manual/#sec-replace-modules
<tomster> i also tried installing it using the bundle binary that comes with chefd but that complains that it's running against a read-only environment
<tomster> IOW how can i install chefdk gems on nixos?
<nixy_> tilpner: Bless you and the manual
<ati-radeon> After some thinking, I am not going back to 4.2, I either have to get it to work on some recent LTS or the latest, or I will just go with the virtualized route
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<tomster> would i need to copy the chefdk nix expression and insert the gem(s) into its Gemfile? (https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/development/tools/chefdk/Gemfile)
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<avn> ati-radeon: pitcairn is definelly `amd`, not `amdgpu`
<ati-radeon> avn: I gathered as much, but I also read the experimental support for "amdgpu" is also present in the Southen Islands family, so I figured it was worth a shot
<avn> ati-radeon: and both 4.4/4.9/4.14 worn't works
<ati-radeon> avn: I indeed tried 4.4, 4.9 and latest (not sure if it is 4.13 or 4.14)
<avn> well, in worst case -- you can try pull 4.2 kernel from git history ;)
<joepie91> ati-radeon: I don't think 4.2 is a supported kernel version anymore, also are you sure that you need 4.2? usually the kernel version limitations are to do with the support provided by fglrx
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<joepie91> ati-radeon: (which means that fglrx probably *used* to require 4.2, but now requires 4.4 or so)
<avn> joepie91: he claims, that he use open `amd` driver
<joepie91> amdgpu?
<joepie91> afaik that has no kernel requirements at all
<joepie91> amdgpu-pro does though, I think
<avn> ati-radeon: btw, open kernel modules should be named `radeon`
<avn> and possible X11 one as well
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<ati-radeon> joepie91: Not on the open source that I know of, but only on the closed driver, which states 3.19 officially, but 4.2 also worked (Ubuntu 15.10 was supported that used that kernel)
<joepie91> avn: there's two different OSS drivers, one is named 'radeon' (but in nixpkgs as 'ati' I believe), the other is named 'amdgpu'
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<ati-radeon> avn: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e2ea5c75b93f506dc854ab68d48d8222 this is a example of a boot log, it indeed show radeon being loaded
<joepie91> amdgpu replaces radeon, but does not support all the same cards
<joepie91> so old cards need the radeon driver, newest cards need the amdgpu driver, and there's a few generations of cards that are supported by both
<joepie91> (overlap)
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<avn> but services.xserver.videoDrivers = [ "ati" ];
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<joepie91> avn: right, that's radeon
<joepie91> ati-radeon: where are you getting that 3.19 / 4.2 thing from?
<avn> and try add useGlamor = false; it not work properly on all SI/NI
<Isorkin> How to fix buils mariad-client 10.2 config- http://pastebin.ru/VqPGSeVS Build log http://pastebin.ru/Mnar4GP5
<ati-radeon> joepie91: It was about the closed source driver: Inferred from: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux%20x86_64 and some forum topic
<ati-radeon> joepie91: The reason for looking at the closed source driver was that I could not find any more leads how to fix the open source driver and when googling for people with the same card under Linux all the success stories were about the official AMD driver
<joepie91> ati-radeon: hold on
<avn> ati-radeon: I suggest you take lastest kernel, blacklist amdgpu driver, set "ati" for xserver, as I listed above, then show logs
<joepie91> ati-radeon: very odd, I recall higher kenel numbers, but this really does seem to be the most recent version of their drivers...
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<ati-radeon> avn: Hmm, I have not tried that yet, I did blacklist radeon when trying amdgpu, but not the other way around, will try that now
<avn> so pitkairn is very close to mullins, which I have on amd/apu notebook, so it should work well on latest kernels
<ati-radeon> avn: Good to know, but Mullins it is in a new family, but it indeed is mentioned often with the family my card is in when fixes are mentioned
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<avn> ati-radeon: I have TURKS, on machine where I sit atm, and MULLINS on one of notebooks. Your card somewhere in-between I think
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<ati-radeon> avn: https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ Yep, it is in the family in-between
<avn> both machines have `ati` driver selected in xserver, and it works well
<avn> both 2d and 3d, with open drivers
<avn> and I have follow kernel options that can affect: reboot=w,a radeon.dpm=0 radeon.audio=1
<ati-radeon> avn: My previous card was in the Evergreen family, the one before your Turks card, which I never have had any problem with
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<ati-radeon> Still crashes, with blacklisted amdgpu
<avn> turks is evergreen as well
<ati-radeon> avn: It should be Northern Islands according to the link I gave you
<avn> try add radeon.dpm=0, and paste part of log related to radeon (you can strip before first mention of radeon I believe)
<ati-radeon> avn: I have that config option already present
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<ati-radeon> I also tried the LiveCDs of Ubuntu 12.4 and 17.10, which both gave me a screen of Windows 7 being shutdown (probably last image in GPU)
<avn> btw, does you have config.nixpkgs.enableUnfree = true? possible you need it for firmwares...
<avn> Ahhha.... `reboot=w,a` is for you
<avn> and you need hard reboot then before boot
<avn> this option to kernel force you to hard reboot when you reboot with `reboot` command
<tomster> how can i use a local clone of nixpkgs as a source for nix-shell?
<avn> tomster: -I nixpkgs=/path/to
<tomster> avn: thanks!
<ati-radeon> I have unfree and enabled all firmware option, but did not have the reboot thing, will try that now, I need to rebuild nixos with that option and hard poweroff and then boot and hope?
<avn> yes.
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<avn> just because reboot thing will effect on second reboot then
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<avn> ati-radeon: if no -- let's looks on log again and think
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<avn> also I curious, in what moment it freeze -- when it switch to kms console (graph text mode with small fonts), or when X spawns?
<tomster> avn: that doesn't seem to work, i get this: nix-shell -I nixpkgs=~/nixstuff/nixpkgs/ --command fish
<tomster> warning: Nix search path entry ‘~/nixstuff/nixpkgs/’ does not exist, ignoring
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<avn> tomster: nixpkgs=/home/tomster/nixstuff/nixpkgs/ should works. ~ expands only in begin of word
<ati-radeon> avn: When X spawns, I see the step where the screen resizes with console messages, but once the GUI is supposed to start, all I get to see is the _ in the top left corner and some glitches and eventually my monitor will get no more input, I have to press ctrl+alt+f1 repeatedly and on time to get into the console before that happens
<ati-radeon> avn: this is the updated log, I am now hard rebooting it: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9c63ff9805a2f49b3795a8d82477b812
<joko> Hello, could anyone tell me how to move closures as files between hosts?
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<joko> I mean not with nix-copy-closure, export them first with their dependencies and then install them locally
<b73_> Hi I'm having issues installing the nokogiri gem into a nix-shell on macOS (10.12.6)
<b73_> The following shell is being started: `nix-shell -p gcc pkgconfig openssl zlib libxml2 libxslt libiconv ruby_2_1 bundler --pure --command "gem install nokogiri -v '1.6.8'"`
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<avn> ati-radeon: do you have Xorg logs as well?
<ati-radeon> avn: Are they not already in journalctl?
<b73_> The gem fails to be installed with the following log output:
<avn> ati-radeon: possible not, especially if you on old version...
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<avn> ati-radeon: actually I have some plans to optionally revert them to file. It sometimes more helpful to debug
<ati-radeon> avn: Right now I should be on the latest 17.09
<b73_> I'm pretty sure installing the mac command line tools, would resolve the problem - but I'm resisting this with all my will!
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<b73_> Can anyone advise what packages I'm missing to install nokogiri?
<avn> well, I not see X11 part in log
<avn> do you paste dmesg, or journalctl output?
<avn> check if lightdm or X11 save own log somewhere
<ati-radeon> avn: I pasted sudo journalctl -b
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<avn> well, then log somewere else
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<avn> also I would like to see generated X.conf (or Xorg.conf)
<avn> add services.xserver.exportConfiguration = true; and rebuild/switch
<avn> and then cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and also paste your configuration.nix somewhere)
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<ati-radeon> avn: will do
<chpatrick> with nixops, do you know how I can get it to only use specific ssh keys for deploying?
<b73_> The actual error output in the console is:
<chpatrick> the problem is that it tries my personal keys too which pops up a passphrase window and blocks the deployment
<chpatrick> and I'd like to automate this
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<b73_> This: `nix-shell -p gcc pkgconfig openssl zlib libxml2 libxslt libiconv ruby_2_1 bundler --pure --command "gem install nokogiri -v '1.6.8'"` produces ^
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<avn> ati-radeon: check my configs also -- https://github.com/avnik/nixos-configs/blob/master/hosts/bulldozer/default.nix this one with TURKS, https://github.com/avnik/nixos-configs/blob/master/hosts/boomer/default.nix with MULLINGS (check ../roles/X11.nix as well for common stuff)
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<sphalerite> joko: using nix-store --export
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<sphalerite> And --import
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<avn> ati-radeon: is a log from different machines/
<avn> ?
<joko> sphalerite: thanks, any way to bypass the lack of signature?
<sphalerite> joko: import as root
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<ati-radeon> avn: No, same machine, I just copied every starting with lightdm and x or X to that logs tar, some of them could still be about my previous GPU though
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<avn> ati-radeon: For first -- it detect `(--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "TAHITI" (ChipID = 0x679e)`
<joko> sphalerite: many thanks!
<avn> so let's ask google if this card detects wrong, or require some options in xorg.conf
<sphalerite> no :)
<sphalerite> np *
<ati-radeon> avn: That indeed is very weird, I never owned that chipset that I know of, so that indeed might be a source for the bugs I am facing
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<avn> ati-radeon: does user running X (if it not root) have access to /dev/dri/card0?
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<avn> ati-radeon: check it, and try ENABLE glamor, http://jlk.fjfi.cvut.cz/arch/manpages/man/radeon.4 said then we need it for TAHITI+ cards
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<ati-radeon> avn: it also shows the message in the logs "kfd kfd: DID 679e is missing in supported_devices, which matches the ChipID given for TAHITI
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<ati-radeon> avn: how does one check for access? I has user root and group video, my user is not in this group, so I just added it and am rebooting now, then I will try enabling glamor
<avn> yes, add yourself to video
<avn> via nix, and rebuild ofc
<avn> also try blacklist `amdkfd` module as well
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<avn> another option to try -- radeon.hard_reset=1 option in kernel commandline
<ati-radeon> avn: Yeah, I have added the video group to my user through Nix that did not work, I am now trying glamor and blacklisting amdkfd
<avn> radeon.pcie_gen2=1/0 another funny stuff ;)
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<ati-radeon> avn: Could the error: print_req_error: I/O error, dev sr0, sector <some_number> be relevant?
<alexteves> Is there anyway to check which binary caches the nix-daemon is using? Trying to figure out if the daemon needs to be restarted by a script that adds new caches (at least on os x, it needs to https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/1061#issuecomment-313926714). Tried grepping into nix/var/nix/binary-cache-v3.sqlite on sphalerite's suggestion, but found nothing useful.
<ati-radeon> I am getting that at boot sometimes (so it probably is not related, would have been consistent otherwise)
<sphalerite> alexteves: literally running grep on it?
<alexteves> yeah, I hit some packages from that cache, but not the cache itself
<avn> ati-radeon: nope, is scsi/ata io error, but it can hint about overall machine stability
<sphalerite> yeah you'll want to actually query the database, not just look at the file
<akfp> how should a package depend on kernel headers?
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<sphalerite> alexteves: try something like cp /nix/var/nix/binary-cache-v3.sqlite /tmp/ ; sqlite3 /tmp/binary-cache-v3.sqlite <<<"select * from BinaryCaches"
<avn> ati-radeon: well, if no -- next step is glamor with unblacklisted amdkfd (I have this module loaded)
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<ati-radeon> avn: I am trying the pci_gen2=1 or 0 option now, and I have reconfigured my storage configuration to use IDE again (have been getting some ACHI related errors, but with no apparent effect)
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/unstable-aarch64 ab67fea Graham Christensen: Netboot: Add aarch64
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<ati-radeon> avn: I have tried all of those options you suggested and those I could think of myself, but none seem to work so far. I am going to give up for now and try to see if I can get things working under Hyper-V or some other virtualization. Thanks to your help I at least still have a lead that I could search for, the chipset mismatch. Thank you very much for trying to help me debug this problem!
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 26293ba Jan Tojnar: phpPackages.box: init at 2.7.5
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<tnks> I can't find the issue now, but I recall solutions like callCabal2nix were said to break Hydra caching.
<tnks> Was that the case? Is it still the case?
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<tnks> I think I found the issue... https://github.com/NixOS/hydra/issues/479
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<FRidh> I have the weird case that compiling a library, the rpaths don't include paths to libraries within a store. Sandbox is used https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/32348#issuecomment-349353246
<FRidh> I could use patchelf manually, but that shouldn't be necessary
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<tilpner> When I change the src of a derivation, without changing the name of it, should it be rebuilt on the next use of it via nix-shell?
<FRidh> tilpner: is src a local file, or is a fetcher used? If the latter, then if you did not change the hash, it will build using the fixed-output derivation that corresponds to that hash and will not rebuild.
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<tilpner> FRidh - Ah, damn. I was testing a PR, and kept the old hash :/
<tilpner> Thanks! :)
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<ati-radeon> avn: wow! I actually got it to work! I just tried "ati_unfree" after rebooting with kernel 4.4 and I had to remove tigervnc that apparently depended on some newer version's feature, but once I did that, I rebooted and now I have working output, yay!
<ati-radeon> And the 4k display works without issue (the whole reason for changing graphics cards)
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<ati-radeon> Now it is just a matter of trying of cleaning my config, so only truly necessary settings are there, and I will try if maybe I can get 4.9 to work with ati_unfree as well
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<manveru> damn... why do people keep putting shit into their gems :|
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<Isorkin> adisbladis: Hi. PR fixed
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] mikefaille opened pull request #32388: kubernetes-helm: 2.6.1 -> 2.7.2 (master...master) https://git.io/vbcXJ
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #32389: qemu: fix bin/qemu-kvm on aarch64 + minor fixes (master...patch-76) https://git.io/vbcXc
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<avn> ati-radeon: I am don't know why ati (free) wasn't work for you. But nice, that everything works now. Maybe later you will able to debug situation deeper, and make ati driver set works as well
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<nix-gsc-io`bot> Channel nixos-unstable-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/7fcdd34d173 (from 3 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-unstable-small)
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<ati-radeon> avn: Yeah, I think the free ATI driver should be preferred, because it is probably better maintained, but I am already super happy that I have some setup that works. I am definitely going to give the free ATI driver another try, but it is nice to have something to fallback on in the meantime
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<Yaniel> is ati (free) the same as RadeonSI?
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<ati-radeon> Yaniel: Good question, I have no idea actually, it could very well be the reason for the crash, needing radeonsi instead of radeon
<vcunat> Yaniel: I think the case is that radeonsi is one of the drivers for the 3D part
<vcunat> but what you specify for `videoDrivers` is one of the X driver names
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<vcunat> ("ati", "amdgpu" for the typical free ones)
<ati-radeon> When I grep my logs I do see radeonsi was being loaded at some point with "ati"
<vcunat> and there's also the kernel part which is quite closely coupled with the 3D part (I heard)
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<Yaniel> yeah, the amd dc patch
<ati-radeon> But I doubt that is related to my relatively old card
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<plakband> Is there a more idiomatic way of giving nix precedence over OS X than manually prepending another copy of ~/.nix-profile/bin to the path?
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<TweyII> I'm trying to use Nix to establish a unified development environment across a bunch of machines, but depending on when I install it I get a different version of nixpkgs
<TweyII> Is there a way to pin a channel to a particular revision?
<TweyII> We'll update every so often of course, but we'd like to do so in sync
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<tilpner> TweyII - Yes, by not using nix-channel. You can use fetchFromGitHub to fetch a specific revision of nixpkgs, so that a git pull will upgrade your nixpkgs
<ati-radeon> TweyII: Use your own local nixpkgs clone: http://anderspapitto.com/posts/2015-11-01-nixos-with-local-nixpkgs-checkout.html
<samueldr> It can also be done at the project-level when using nix-shell → https://nixos.wiki/wiki/How_to_fetch_Nixpkgs_with_an_empty_NIX_PATH
<TweyII> samueldr: Ooh, interesting, thank you
<TweyII> tilpner: Ooh yes, that is an option, thank you
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] dezgeg opened pull request #32390: build-support/vm: Use devtmpfs, not static device nodes (master...buildvm-no-static-dev) https://git.io/vbc7g
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<pstn> Huh, is the old mailing list still active? It just sent me messages.
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<gchristensen> uhhno...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] bjornfor pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbcdy
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 38e2228 Patrick Chilton: meshlab: 1.3.3 -> 2016.12
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<pstn> So, something broke?
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<gchristensen> no idea
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vbgl closed pull request #32382: ddate: make multi-platform (master...ddate-on-darwin) https://git.io/vbnSV
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<ldlework> Man I really wish I could use dotnet core with Nix on OSX
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] maiksensi reopened pull request #32391: Move python pluggy to separate module (staging...pluggy-to-module) https://git.io/vbcbN
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] maiksensi closed pull request #32391: Move python pluggy to separate module (staging...pluggy-to-module) https://git.io/vbcbN
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] maiksensi opened pull request #32392: Move pluggy to separate module (staging...move-pluggy-to-module) https://git.io/vbcAH
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9adbe64 Vladimír Čunát: longview: restrict meta.platforms...
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<johnw> is there any way to determine the output nix-env -q would give, without running any Nix commands?
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<LnL> cat ~/.nix-profile/manifest.nix | magic
<johnw> thanks!
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<LnL> if you have something else that can parse simple nix expressions it shouldn't be hard
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<johnw> perl -ne 'while (m/name = "([^"]+)"/g) { print $1, "\n"; } ' ~/.nix-profile/manifest.nix
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<LnL> yeah, was going to suggest that as an alternative
<johnw> I have a friend who updated their macOS 10.11 -> 10.13, and suddenly nix-env's link to libSystem broke
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<LnL> hmm, did they have an old version that didn't support sierra yet?
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<johnw> yes
<johnw> a version installed in July
<LnL> ah
<johnw> but it's always good at any rate to have a backup way of getting information out of your store, when the typical ways stop working
<johnw> so I'm saving this script for my own future use (I've wanted it before as well)
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<ryantrinkle> is it a bad idea to NAT based on ip rather than interface?
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<johnw> does anyone know why this is giving me the 'drvAttrs missing' error? https://gist.github.com/2b4a233f53d86c1d07c14624b1c2287d
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<johnw> my argument to overrideDerivation isn't a derivation somehow?
<johnw> ah, ocaml-ng is a function, n/m
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<stphrolland> what is the good practice for removing old configuration entries in the grub menu generated by NixOs ?
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<gchristensen> nix-collect-garbage --delete-older-than to delete them, then run `nixos-rebuild boot`
<gchristensen> to remove the entries
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<stphrolland> done, 4GB freed. good !
<avn> gchristensen: btw, are any ways to split GC from .links purging?
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<boxofrox> gchristensen: been trying to get my hands on a osx environment to troubleshoot that rust build error you linked to me last week, but I've not had any success on that front.
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<vcunat> avn: you can ^C when it starts ;-)
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<vcunat> (but I don't know why you would want to do that, except perhaps to save time with a slow rotating drive)
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<akfp> for complex builds can I have multiple fetchgit sources ?
<avn> vcunat: I see ;)
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<iqubic> Does Nixpgks have any builds for Firefox Quantum yet?
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<symphorien> yes on nixos-unstable at least
<iqubic> Why is that not on stable?
<iqubic> Now I have to learn how to add a new channel to my nixos build.
<symphorien> I have heard that the version of rust on stable does not allow this, but not sure
<iqubic> And perhaps an overlay for Mozilla too.
<iqubic> Firefox uses Rust?
<symphorien> that's the quantum part ;)
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<iqubic> Oh,I see.
<Turion> symphorien: Do they program quantum computers with rust? </joke>
<iqubic> Well, I need to add the unstable branch to my nixos machine.
<iqubic> I'm not at home, so I can't do that ATM
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<vcunat> iqubic: there's firefox-bin-57.* on 17.09 as well
<vcunat> not source-compiled one yet
<vcunat> but you can well use firefox from unstable/master on a 17.09 NixOS...
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<iqubic> I want Firefox Quantum on Nixos.
<tilpner> iqubic - Try firefox-beta-bin
<iqubic> Not sure how Firefox and Nixos interact with each other.
<iqubic> tilpner: What does firefox beta bin do?
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<tilpner> iqubic - IIRC it gives you what you asked for
<tilpner> (on nixos-17.09)
<iqubic> Cool. Is it on stable? Or will I need to get an Unstable branch?
<vcunat> 17.09 has firefox-beta-bin-58.0b5 ATM
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<tilpner> On current nixos-17.09 (so stable), firefox-bin is 57 (so quantum), and firefox-beta-bin is 58
<dhess> Anyone here using NixOS for network packet capture?
<tilpner> dhess - Does the occasional wireshark capture count?
<vcunat> right, so you don't need beta to get quantum
<tilpner> Correct
<vcunat> dhess: yes, wireshark is your friend
<dhess> tilpner: sorry, I should have been more specific. No, I meant more like continuous capture for an IDS or forensics etc.
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<dhess> vcunat: I'm talking about things like netsniff-ng etc.
<vcunat> I only really have experience with capturing in order to debug network SW, so that's apparently not what you want...
<dhess> vcunat: yeah sorry, I should have been more specific. Thanks anyway!
<vcunat> dhess: nothing bad happened :-)
<dhess> vcunat: oh good :)
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<dhess> Anyway, I want to put something together that's like SecurityOnion, only on a NixOS host.
<dhess> Before I discovered NixOS/NixOps I would have just installed SecurityOnion on a spare machine to play around with it, but now I can't be bothered :)
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<tokudan_> is there a way to use a more recent rust version in buildRustPackage in 17.09?
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<ariutta> Hi all. I needed to install nix as multi-user on a non-NixOS system and created a script to do it: https://github.com/wikipathways/wikipathways.org/blob/dev/wpi/extensions/GPMLConverter/nix-install-deb-multi-user If anyone finds it useful or has any feedback, let me know!
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<gchristensen> nice, thanks ariutta !
<joepie91> ariutta: you might want to add it to https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Install_Nix_in_multi-user_mode_on_non-NixOS :)
<dhess> gchristensen: oh speaking of which, now that macOS 10.13.2 is out, any easy way of upgrading a single-user macOS install to multi-user?
<ariutta> It appears that's the default when you run the downloaded script
<dhess> it is, but it will wipe out an existing install, I believe
<dhess> I want to preserve /nix/store if possible
<ariutta> Ah, gotcha. I don't know of any easy way, but if you have your nix build expressions, isn't trivial to rebuild?
<dhess> trivial, yes. Time-consuming, yes. :)
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<elvishjerricco> dhess: you can probably nix-store --export anything you care about and nix-store --import it after the install
<dhess> elvishjerricco: huh, I didn't know that command. Thanks.
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<elvishjerricco> dhess: Be careful to export full closures for everything. See `nix-store --help`
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<dhess> elvishjerricco: I had a question for you re: Haskell wasm... wish I could remember it now that you're here.
<elvishjerricco> I'm usually around, whenever you remember it :)
<elvishjerricco> Not super active in this channel, but I still get notifications from it
<dhess> oh good to know, I don't see you chatting much here
<dhess> ok cool
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<dhess> elvishjerricco: is there a better channel for that discussion?
<elvishjerricco> dhess: Depends on the specific question. Potentially relevant IRCs that I'm in: irc.w3.org #webassembly, OFTC #llvm, freenode #ghc, #reflex-frp, #nixos.
<dhess> yes, of course. Thanks
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<gchristensen> elvishjerricco: should we ping you on llvm issues?:)
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<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: Heh doubtful. I've somehow managed to get this far in WebAssembly stuff without committing to LLVM :P
<gchristensen> :P
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<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: I have been maintaining a cheap fork of `llvmPackages` over on wasm-cross, if you're interested. It's got some gross hacks for cross compiling, and the main purpose is to build LLVM / Clang from head, but I may have a relevant thing or two
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<dhess> gchristensen: I have several macOS systems running a single-user Nixpkgs install. They all use the same pinned nixpkgs and I have the same nix-env on all of them. One of Macs pushes a binary cache with this environment, and all the other single-user install Macs hit it when I update them.
<stphrolland> just playing exploring a nodejs project, with lots of dependencies, I'd like to keep things clean, namely not having npm installing things in the long term. Is npm2nix, then nix-shell usage, the good way to go ?
<dhess> gchristensen: but curiously, the one multi-user Nixpkgs install I have does not, despite everything else being the same. Is this expected?
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<gchristensen> seem strange
<gchristensen> youmight need to restart the nix-daemon on the multi-user one?
<dhess> that's what I thought
<dhess> Why would that matter?
<gchristensen> the nix-daemon reads the nix.conf on startup
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<dhess> oh well there is no (system-level) nix.conf on the single-user install Macs. I haven't installed nix-darwin or anything like that
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<gchristensen> how did you setup the binary caches on the single-user ones?
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<dhess> ~/.nixconf/nix.conf and set NIX_CONF_DIR
<dhess> same is true on the multi-user install machine, though
<dhess> does nix-daemon merge them?
<dhess> ohhhhh
<dhess> ok
<gchristensen> I didn't know you could put a nix.conf anywhere in ~/
<dhess> I see. nix-daemon doesn't see my config
<dhess> duh
<gchristensen> :)
<dhess> gchristensen: yeah you can. Anyway I just figured it out :) Thanks!
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<dhess> I love it when that happens -- "Hey help me with this problem. Oh never mind, while explaining it to you, I figured it out."
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<dhess> elvishjerricco: Let's say I wanted to write a compiler for a little Scheme-like language, where the compiler is implemented in Haskell and the target is wasm. Are there any existing Haskell libs that can assist me with the AST->wasm bit?
<dhess> or am I pretty much on my own for now?
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<elvishjerricco> dhess: There's this unactive repo, which has Haskell libraries for parsing, interpreting, and emitting (I think?) wasm: https://github.com/haskell-wasm/wasm
<elvishjerricco> But in general, I'd recommend targeting LLVM
<elvishjerricco> Then you can just use LLVM and LLD to compile and link modules
<dhess> elvishjerricco: really, you think LLVM is going to get there soonish?
<elvishjerricco> LLVM already has a wasm backend
<dhess> or I guess it already does support wasm? I can't recall
<dhess> oh ok
<elvishjerricco> See wasm-cross for some nix usage of this: http://github.com/WebGHC/wasm-cross
<dhess> that sounds like the right way to go them, agreed
<dhess> elvishjerricco: do you know whether Stephen is still working on haskell-wasm?
<dhess> I have that project bookmarked but it does seem rather idle
<elvishjerricco> dhess: I haven't talked to him about it at all. Given the lack of activity, I'd say probably not
<dhess> ok
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<elvishjerricco> dhess: wasm-cross has a working C toolchain for wasm built by Nix, btw.