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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] grahamc opened pull request #1717: upload-release.pl: support aarch64-linux (master...upload-release-aarch64) https://git.io/vbl22
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<kalhauge> I have a program that does runtime compiling of code. I'm not completely sure how to ensure that libraries headerfiles are available then.
<dhess> Anybody here in SF and going to the BA Nix/NixOS meetup tonight?
<gchristensen> whoa cool
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] dotlambda opened pull request #32428: git-annex-metadata-gui: init at 0.2.0 (master...git-annex-metadata-gui) https://git.io/vblaL
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] georgewhewell opened pull request #32429: openblas: add aarch64 platform config (master...openblas-aarch64) https://git.io/vblaG
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<elvishjerricco> dhess: The one with Gabriel Gonzalez? I will be there
* gchristensen is very jealous
<dhess> elvishjerricco: cool, me too
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<gchristensen> nobody has cool meetups here
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<judson> I forget where you are (if I ever knew gchristensen)
<gchristensen> I live in rural, far western Massachusetts :)
<judson> Oh, right on. You don't know Vincent Baker, do you?
<judson> (there's a whole indie RPG contingent in West Mass, which is my association with the region :))
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<gchristensen> like this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Baker
<gchristensen> I don't ... but I like Greenfield, MA :)
<judson> Yep, that guy.
<gchristensen> I live more west
<judson> Well, I live in Pasadena if you want to compare west :p
<orbekk> I submitted a pull request a few weeks back that didn't get any attention. Is there anything I should do to encourage someone to look at it, or should I just wait?
<gchristensen> haha
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<gchristensen> link orbekk?
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<orbekk> gchristensen: For some reason I thought you were in NYC, possibly because of your hostname or something
<gchristensen> my server is in NJ near NYC, and I go to NYC once a quarter for a week and offer to meet up with people while I'mthere :)
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<orbekk> gchristensen: Offer accepted. ;)
<gchristensen> alright!
<gchristensen> how should I get in touch with you next time I'm there? (you can PM me)
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<orbekk> Done :)
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<Lisanna> patchelf is such a cool program :)
<gchristensen> :)
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<Lisanna> I've got a collection of test binaries and a million different versions of something to link the tests against, obviously I don't want a million copies of those tests in my nix store, but a million wrappers is fine. Apparently RPATH overrides LD_LIBRARY_PATH though so gotta nuke it with patchelf!
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<ison[m]> Is there any real interest in getting something like OpenRC working on NixOS, or is everyone pretty much just content with systemd?
<dash> i haven't seen any major efforts to develop non-systemd nixos deployments
<Lisanna> ison[m]: not even sure how that would work... aren't most NixOS services written explicitly in terms of systemd?
<Lisanna> you'd have to port everything
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] datakurre opened pull request #32432: pythonPackages.setuptools: make compatible with hasPythonModule (master...master) https://git.io/vblPn
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<vaibhavsagar> is there a midi monitor in nixpkgs?
<vaibhavsagar> I'm looking at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/tree/master/pkgs/applications/audio but nothing is jumping out a me
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] peterhoeg pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbl1W
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 8ab4eb1 Andreas Rammhold: mstpd: svn 61 -> 0.0.5.20171113...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9dee38e Peter Hoeg: Merge pull request #32313 from andir/mstpd-to-github-0.0.5...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] thoughtpolice created myrtle-2 (+110 new commits): https://git.io/vblM8
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/myrtle-2 5298fa9 John Ericson: doc: Document forthcomming NIX_DEBUG degredations
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/myrtle-2 41a7e50 John Ericson: treewide: Use `(( "${NIX_DEBUG:-0}" >= 1) ))` consistently
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/myrtle-2 adf5301 John Ericson: stdenv: Turn on `set -x` if NIX_DEBUG >= 6...
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<Lisanna> how much interest is there in having a stdenv for the Intel Parallel Studio (icc)?
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<manoj2> hello
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] YorikSar opened pull request #32433: chromium: 62.0.3202.94 -> 63.0.3239.84 (master...chromium-update) https://git.io/vblDJ
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<manoj2> I have a little issue with davfs2: it says: "[sudo] password for manoj:
<manoj2> mount.davfs: group davfs2 does not exist
<manoj2> I think nixos should create the group davfs2, is it correct?
<manoj2> or should I create manually the group?
<Lisanna> manoj2: normally nixos creates needed users / groups for services, so I'd expect it to...
<manoj2> Lisanna: ok, I will see how to fix it
<manoj2> Lisanna: thanks
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] adisbladis closed pull request #32426: dmensamenu: 1.0.0 -> 1.1.0 (master...dmensamenu) https://git.io/vblC8
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] markuskowa opened pull request #32436: gpredict: init at 1.3 (master...gpredict) https://git.io/vbl9P
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<steshaw> When using `nix-build` does it operate in a pure environment or do you need `nix-build --pure` for that? I noticed that `--pure` option is accepted by `nix-build` but it's not in the man page.
<clever> nix-build always wipes the environment
<clever> the sandbox is optional, but controlled by a different flag
<steshaw> k, thanks
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vbgl opened pull request #32437: facile: 1.1 -> 1.1.3 (master...ocaml-facile-1.1.3) https://git.io/vbl5r
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<samae> dhess: I don't know why yesterday I insisted on trying to build stack2nix with stack, while a default.nix was available ^^ (generated by stack2nix on itself). Running `nix-build` should be enough, it's building right now
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<jluttine> uh, kde doesn't allow running dolphin as root.. how can i now use dolphin on a live usb system? there are no other users than root
<jluttine> i guess this applies to nixos installer too
<jluttine> (at least it happens with my own nixos live usb stick)
<jluttine> i don't have the nixos graphical installer usb stick readily available so i can't test
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<adisbladis> mbrock: How would you recommend pinning the dapphub nixpkgs channel in a shell.nix
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<jluttine> btw, there's no lxde in nixos desktop environments
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<adisbladis> jluttine: Huh thats a strange decision.
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<Lisanna> Is there a reason why fetchFromGitHub is implemented in all-packages.nix? seems kind of messy ):
<johnw> shlevy: pnig
<adisbladis> Lisanna: Agreed. It should probably be in pkgs/build-support
<johnw> I'm having trouble overridding an ocamlPackage so that all transitive dependencies of ocamlPackages are changed to point to the override
<clever> Lisanna: it used to be simpler, but has grown over time
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<johnw> except that ppx_deriving 4.1 isn't being used by everything in ocamlPackages afterward; I get that maybe I should be using recurseIntoAttrs, but where exactly? Everywhere that I've tried still leads to this: https://gist.github.com/05221e142acb3f34e2261d39baa96785
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<Lisanna> adisbladis: clever: okay, maybe I'll make moving them and documenting them in the manual my first nixpkgs contributions :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/vblNd
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging 859dc02 Asko Soukka: pythonPackages.setuptools: make compatible with hasPythonModule
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh closed pull request #32432: pythonPackages.setuptools: make compatible with hasPythonModule (master...master) https://git.io/vblPn
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<berce> When a buld fails because I run out of disk space, can I somehow add gc roots, so the build can resume after garbage collection?
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<berce> An other strategy: how can I remove specific profiles from the store, without really collecting garbage?
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<clever> berce: nix-store --delete will obey roots and only allow deleting garbage
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<laggy_wifi> is it possible for an application to write/extract its .so library?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rushmorem closed pull request #28709: coredns: 005 -> 010 (master...coredns) https://git.io/v5cLm
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<bennofs> Is there some easy way to test nixos modules on non-nixos systems? Perhaps a way to build a container from a configuration.nix on non-nixos?
<laggy_wifi> u can use a nix os chroot
<laggy_wifi> unless it is nix os kernel modules
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<berce> Thank you clever. It seems to be what I 'm looking for. Reading the man now.
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<laggy_wifi> redirection is difficult ;-;
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] markus1189 opened pull request #32442: scalafmt: 0.6.8 -> 1.3.0 (master...scalafmt-130) https://git.io/vblpK
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<infinisil> bennofs: Shouldn't the tests run on any linux?
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<infinisil> bennofs: Oh sry you didn't mean tests
<bennofs> infinisil: oh, I was thinking of some more of something for experimentation
<infinisil> I mean you can use a VM
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] markus1189 opened pull request #1718: nix-hash: Add sentence and example for nix-prefetch-url hash (master...nix-hash-doc) https://git.io/vb8eC
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vb8eW
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master cdde22a Vladimír Čunát: Merge branch 'staging' (older one)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] pSub closed pull request #32400: ocamlPackages.ocamlnet: 4.1.4 -> 4.1.5 (master...ocamlnet-4.1.5) https://git.io/vbC1n
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] andir opened pull request #32443: Erlang CVE-2017-1000385 erlangR{18,19,20} (master...erlang-cve-2017-1000385) https://git.io/vb8ff
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<roberth> bennofs: seems like you 'need' this PR https://git.io/vb8UM
<roberth> bennofs: I haven't tested it on non-NixOS, so if you could put your experience in a PR comment, that'd be awesome
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<srhb> Is there a nicer way of wrapping syscalls in Nix that the usual LD_PRELOAD shenanigans?
<srhb> Perhaps some helpers somewhere
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<ertes-w> there is no default.nix anymore in nixpkgs/pkgs
<ertes-w> is there a new convention?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] hedning opened pull request #32444: recoll: 1.23.1 -> 1.23.5 (master...recoll-1.23.5) https://git.io/vb8TN
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] kamilchm opened pull request #32445: pinta: FIX unhandled glib-sharp load exception (master...pinta) https://git.io/vb8k4
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<johs> Hi. Does anyone have any code for mirroring of nix-repositories for offline use? (I've googled a bit for this, but couldn't find anything obvious.)
<johs> Does it even make sense? I'm not entirely clear about to what extent the packages come from a central Nix-repo or the various upstream repositories.
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<ocharles> With Hydra declarative projects, what does 'The .jobsets jobset must only have a single job named 'jobsets'' mean? I get this evaluation error on my .jobsets jobset
<ocharles> shlevy: let's carry on here :)
<ocharles> My hydra-project.json points to hydra-jobsets.nix, which is a bunch of `let`s that final evaluates to: { jobsets = with pkgs.lib; pkgs.runCommand "spec.json" {} "cp ${jobsetJson} $out"; }
<ocharles> So that looks correct to me
<ocharles> It was working fine until I tried to add githubpulls into the mix
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<shlevy> ocharles: Hmm, ok. And there are no other eval errors?
<ocharles> Not in .jobsets
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] lsix opened pull request #32446: pythonPackages.django: 1.11.7 -> 1.11.8 (master...update_django_1_11) https://git.io/vb8t6
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<ocharles> I'll try and paste all files now
<ocharles> Just have to remove some HTTP auth keys
<shlevy> ocharles: what output do you get if you run hydra-eval-jobset projectname jobsetname as the hydra user on the box?
<shlevy> Checking the gist now
<srhb> johs: nix-serve should do. I think people generally let hydra build one of the releases of nixpkgs and then mirror hydra's store.
<ocharles> do you mean jobsetname or .jobsets?
<srhb> johs: With nix-serve, I think.
<srhb> johs: (I have to do this myself soonish)
<ocharles> $ hydra-eval-jobset client .jobsets
<ocharles> The .jobsets jobset must only have a single job named 'jobsets' at /nix/store/slxivaqskl0c3bllbyyg4vjm7micb0cf-hydra-2017-11-21/bin/.hydra-eval-jobset-wrapped line 634.
<shlevy> ocharles: Sorry, .jobsets
<srhb> johs: So essentially Hydra will be getting all the remote products (if they're not already in an upstream cache)
<shlevy> :|
<shlevy> OK, just a sec...
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<shlevy> (btw you can drop the declInput arg if you're not using it)
* ocharles nods
<johs> srhb: Cool. So it would only need to go upstream if Hydra hasn't had time to build it yet?
<johs> srhb: Do you know if there are any stats for the store, by the way? (File counts, total size, etc.)
<shlevy> ocharles: are you able to upload a diff from what used to be working?
<ocharles> shlevy: sure can
<srhb> johs: You mean cached versions or something? I'm not sure. You might want to check the layout of the sqlite db.
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<srhb> johs: But the regular file tools should suffice.
<srhb> johs: And yes to the Hydra question.
<johs> Cool. So should be usable offline, then.
<srhb> johs: Absolutely.
<shlevy> ocharles: This is strange... Can you add some traces to print out a serialization of pullRequests and jobsetAttrs before defining the set?
<ocharles> It's very odd. Reading hydra-eval-jobsets now
<ocharles> I actually think the problem is that it thinks there are 0 jobsets, rather than more than one
<shlevy> Yes
<shlevy> Almost certainly
<ocharles> but then it's odd there's no evaluation errorr
<shlevy> But I'm not sure how that happens with no eval error :D
<ocharles> :)
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<ocharles> I wonder if it's because it can't fetch those GitHub PRs. I haven't yet added my auth key
<shlevy> ocharles: Can you check the db for errorMsg and fetchErrorMsg?
<ocharles> so that API call to get PRs is probably erroring
<shlevy> those are fields of the Jobsets table
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] lsix opened pull request #32447: pythonPackages.django_hijack_admin: init at 2.1.5 (master...add_djano_hijack_admin) https://git.io/vb8qc
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<ocharles> Lemme try removing the PRs input and I'll see what happens
<shlevy> OK
<shlevy> This should cause an eval error: die "Error pulling from the github pulls API: $content\n" unless $res->is_success;
<ocharles> Oddly just removing the githubpulls input from the project.json and ignoring pullRequests as an input to hydra-jobsets.nix has fixed that evaluation
<johs> srhb: (Thanks!)
<shlevy> ocharles: what if you don't remove it but you ignore the argument?
<ocharles> it's still happy
<ocharles> though the .jobsets configuration in Hydra doesn't show the PRs input
<shlevy> ocharles: OK, can you take the argument but just use it in a trace?
<shlevy> e.g. builtins.trace pullRequests { jobsets = <something not depending on pullRequests>; }
<shlevy> And then do the eval in the shell
<ocharles> ok
<ocharles> hydra-eval-jobsets does fetches and stuff then?
<shlevy> Yep
<ocharles> it doesn't seem to show anything, but I do then get: "The .jobsets jobset must only have a single job named 'jobsets' at ..."
<ocharles> Let me remove the trace and confirm it doesn't happen if I don't use pullRequests at all
<ocharles> sigh, getting into a good pickle now. I get that error without the trace too now. Let me poke things a bit more
<ocharles> so I only seem to use pullRequests in that .trace
<ocharles> I'm going to put that key in
<shlevy> This gives me a 404 as expected: curl -i -H "Accept: application/vnd.github.v3+json" "https://api.github.com/repos/circuithub/circuithub-client/pulls?per_page=100"
<shlevy> So it seems like we should be getting a failure in fetchInput...
<ocharles> yea, you would expect...
<ocharles> well
<ocharles> my $auth = $self->{config}->{github_authorization}->{$owner}; i'd expect that to die
<ocharles> I have no github_authorization stanza at all, so you're trying to look into something undefined
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<shlevy> Hmmm
<shlevy> That's definitely a bug, as you can pull public repo status without auth
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<shlevy> But it shouldn't be a silent bug, right?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] grahamc opened pull request #32448: Backport meta fixes from #32365 to 17.099 (release-17.09...fix-meta-17.09) https://git.io/vb8YJ
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<ocharles> wouldn't have thought so
<shlevy> It's too early to reason about perl :(
<shlevy> ocharles: Oh, do you have anything in your nix store whose name ends in github-pulls-sorted.json?
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<shlevy> my $foo = { bar => "baz" }; my $bar = $foo->{baz}->{qux}; print "undef" unless defined $bar;
<shlevy> ocharles: ^ this prints "undef" for me
<ocharles> ah ok
<shlevy> Even with use strict
<ocharles> been a long time since I wrote perl
<ocharles> (find still running btw)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] LnL7 closed pull request #32443: Erlang CVE-2017-1000385 erlangR{18,19,20} (master...erlang-cve-2017-1000385) https://git.io/vb8ff
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<shlevy> Oh definitely don't want find :o
<ocharles> ls /nix/store | grep github -> no results though
<shlevy> Just grep output of ls
<shlevy> OK
<shlevy> So definitely not successfully fetching
<ocharles> Let me just setup a project with github pulls, no declarative input
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<magnetophon> I'm confused: I get, right after eachother: patching script interpreter paths in distrib/compile_sdif.sh
<magnetophon> /nix/store/hash-stdenv/setup: distrib/compile_sdif.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
<magnetophon>
<shlevy> Good call
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<ocharles> Hmm, that now says `Error pulling from the github pulls API: {"message":"Not Found","documentation_url":"https://developer.github.com/v3/pulls/#list-pull-requests"}`.
<ocharles> (I made a declarative project with pull requests as input)
<shlevy> :o
<shlevy> I mean, good, that's expected
<shlevy> But, argh
<ocharles> putting what I thought was the correct key in gives me Bad credentials, which is odd
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vcunat closed pull request #32448: Backport meta fixes from #32365 to 17.099 (release-17.09...fix-meta-17.09) https://git.io/vb8YJ
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<ocharles> Should a personal token from https://github.com/settings/tokens work?
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<shlevy> ocharles: "Authorization: token TOKEN"
<ocharles> Oh
<shlevy> Well, don't include the Authorization: bit
<ocharles> but do include token TOKEN
<ocharles> ?
<shlevy> Yeah
<shlevy> Oh, wait, sorry
<ocharles> ok, sweet, that now works
<shlevy> Ah, nice
<shlevy> Good to know
<shlevy> I was going to suggest you'd have to create the BASIC auth header :D
<ocharles> Let me just clone this client project, maybe there's some weird state...
<ocharles> oh... I just found out that my project configuration itself points to the `hydra` branch of client to fetch the project specification, maybe that's it!
<ocharles> sweet mother of god. that's it
<ocharles> So. many. moving. parts.
<shlevy> Hmm... I'd still expect an eval error due to a missing arg?
<ocharles> yea, I have no idea what's up there. Maybe that's the repro to try and create
<shlevy> But yes. Tacking on a declarative spec to a very imperative interface was a horrible idea :D
<shlevy> I just really wanted to get PRs built
<shlevy> Aaah
<gchristensen> shlevy: what's up?
<gchristensen> oh .... hydra <-> github prs
<ocharles> I do get this now:
<ocharles> sh: jq: command not found warning: Nix search path entry '/nix/store/4fn3bivz6ndqkjy9jgir7n0pv2m9l4xn-github-pulls-sorted.json' does not exist, ignoring
<ocharles> Do I need jq to be on PATH for hydra?
<shlevy> The reason we don't see the issue is because eval errors, unlike fetch errors, do not cause any error/output before the failure
<shlevy> ocharles: Yeah, it's included in hydra-module.nix
<ocharles> hmm, not in the latest stable
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<shlevy> I see it there...
<shlevy> Oh it's only in the path for the systemd service
<shlevy> Are you running in the shell?
<shlevy> ocharles: ^
<ocharles> oh yea, I was
<shlevy> Can you open an issue for that?
<shlevy> And assign me
<ocharles> yea, it is on the evaluator's service PATH though
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] LnL7 pushed 5 new commits to release-17.09: https://git.io/vb8Ow
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 414c57b Andreas Rammhold: erlangR20: 20.1 -> 20.1.7 (fixes CVE-2017-1000385)...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 0246e5c Andreas Rammhold: erlangR19: 19.3 -> 19.3.6.4 (fixes CVE-2017-1000385)...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 02bccff Andreas Rammhold: erlangR16: removed outdated & unused version...
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<shlevy> Yeah, but hydra-eval-jobset working as the hydra user is very useful :)
<ocharles> Can't assign but I mentioned you
<ocharles> Glad we got there in the end, sorry to drag you away from most certainly more important things
<gchristensen> "I don’t think the language is too bad, it is that the system is a set of conventions that are totally under documented and there is little information available about quality control and security measures in the core tree." "Some kind of visual explorer of the Nixpkgs tree would be really sweet."
<shlevy> No worries! Sorry this is so complex!
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<shlevy> ocharles: And I see a fix for the misleading error message too, so I'll get that in hopefully later today
<ocharles> PRs are building! So exciting
<ocharles> Do I have to do anything to get the status API stuff?
<ocharles> ah, githubstatus in the config
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] grahamc opened pull request #1719: Fixup darwin hs master (master...fixup-darwin-hs-master) https://git.io/vb83w
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<jluttine> can i somehow set umask for users in nixos configuration? i'd like this umask to be effective when the user, for instance, copies files in the desktop environment, that is, not just shell environment
<jluttine> and the system is immutable (a live usb) so i can't mutate home directory permanently when running
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<adfaure> Hello, I am on a machine with a
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<adfaure> Hello, I am on a machine with a broken version of curl, I am getting ssl error on loading a default.nix; does someone knows how I could force nix to use another curl binary please ?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] mdorman opened pull request #32450: Semi-Automated Emacs package updates (master...emacs-updates) https://git.io/vb8GU
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] edolstra pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vb8Z8
<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master be79d1f Graham Christensen: darwin installer: fix on High Sierra
<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master 1db0343 Graham Christensen: replace lolcat with nix-info
<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master 82e6275 Eelco Dolstra: Merge pull request #1719 from grahamc/fixup-darwin-hs-master...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] edolstra pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vb8Zz
<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master 0af6684 Markus Hauck: nix-hash: Add sentence and example for nix-prefetch-url hash
<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master d73e16d Eelco Dolstra: Merge pull request #1718 from markus1189/nix-hash-doc...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] edolstra closed pull request #1717: upload-release.pl: support aarch64-linux (master...upload-release-aarch64) https://git.io/vbl22
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<ertes-w> i have a really weird issue: nix-env -iA nixos.rpl # this works
<ertes-w> nix-build "<nixpkgs>" -A rpl # but this doesn't
<ertes-w> error: attribute ‘rpl’ in selection path ‘rpl’ not found
<ertes-w> any ideas?
<sphalerite> ertes-w: divergence of NIX_PATH vs ~/.nix-defexpr
<LnL> somebody is on a merge spree :)
<sphalerite> Use nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>'
<ertes-w> ah, i see
<ertes-w> thanks
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] markus1189 opened pull request #32451: doc: Warn about the classpath hook and required jdk buildInput (master...jdk-warning) https://git.io/vb8cj
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<nix-gsc-io`bot> Channel nixos-unstable-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/b00f806ed0b (from 4 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-unstable-small)
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<ertes-w> what's unstable-small?
<vcunat> ertes-w: a small fast-moving channel
<ertes-w> "small" in what sense? fewer packages?
<vcunat> it ensures only a small subset of binaries, and only needs core tests
<ertes-w> ah, it *builds* fewer
<vcunat> the fast updates are meant mainly for servers sensitive to security fixes
<ertes-w> i see
<vcunat> though those would probably prefer nixos-17.09-small
<ertes-w> is that the primary solution to the security fix problem right now?
<sphalerite> what security problem?
<sphalerite> err, what security fix problem
<ertes-w> security *fix* problem: the problem that sometimes it takes too long for the channel to update
<vcunat> yes
<ertes-w> ok, thanks… good to know
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<vcunat> there's also code that can be used to replace dependencies without rebuilding
<vcunat> but we settled on the -small channels by default
<vcunat> as it's less risky
<ertes-w> sounds reasonable
<vcunat> You don'
<sphalerite> Anyone else using nvidia proprietary drivers and having it failing to build on 17.09?
<vcunat> sphalerite: let me have a look
<vcunat> (I might be actually in meta.matainers)
<vcunat> sphalerite: what versions?
<vcunat> (kernel, nvidia branch)
<sphalerite> nvidia-x11-384.90-4.14.3.drv
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<nix-gsc-io`bot> Channel nixos-17.09-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/68a8b335c86 (from 5 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-17.09-small)
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<vcunat> sphalerite: that builds for me on x86_64-linux
<vcunat> sphalerite: which nixpkgs commit?
<sphalerite> 2281.b4a0c011e81
<sphalerite> http://sprunge.us/EFQg build log
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<sphalerite> derivation is /nix/store/4v1axb2dv9c0vbri9h8jhypvwxd99c7p-nvidia-x11-384.90-4.14.3.drv
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<playX> guys, how i can fully delete firefox because when i type nix-env --uninstall firefox and nix-collect-garbage it not deleting firefox
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<hedning[m]> nix-env -e ~/.nix-profile/bin/firefox should work
<playX> okay, thanks i try to do this
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<vcunat> probably not
<vcunat> well, depends if it's still in the profile or not
<vcunat> have you deleted the previous profile versions that contained firefox?
<hedning[m]> true
<playX> yes
<playX> deleted
<vcunat> I any case, nix-store --delete /some/path
<vcunat> it should tell you what keeps the path alive, IIRC
<playX> firefox is here, what i need to do to delete it? firefox: /nix/store/i3gva2dp4ljig5c9z9w8ldbff0ljx2rp-system-path/bin/firefox
<vcunat> that's NixOS's systemPackages, most likely
<vcunat> i.e. those aren't managed by nix-env
<playX> oh, yes i installed it by configuration.nix, how i can delete that?
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<vcunat> first, delete it from there
<playX> by nix-store --delete?
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<vcunat> from configuration.nix
<playX> deleted
<vcunat> then make sure you booted to a system that doesn't reference it
<vcunat> you may have to reboot, as even /run/booted-system/ keeps packages alive IIRC
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<vcunat> after that nix-collect-garbage should work, unless there's also something else keeping it alive
<vcunat> (e.g. a ./result symlink or something)
<playX> ok, thanks
<vcunat> :-)
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<clever> vcunat: there is also "nix-store -q --roots /nix/store/foo" to find out what is keeping something
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<vcunat> clever: <3
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<clever> [clever@amd-nixos:~]$ du -hc --max=1 /nix/store/ | sort -h
<clever> vcunat: and this sorts everything by size
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<vcunat> well, I wouldn't want to run that myself
<vcunat> $ ls /nix/store | wc -l
<vcunat> 281027
<vcunat> BTW, storebrowse is a nice tool for that
<vcunat> it shows sizes, also somehow divided by the number of references
<clever> 365M /nix/store/2y805y8wq4pirqhmz20dcbsh33f3ycp5-initrd
<clever> 391M /nix/store/7hqbkw2nsh2nwnyy5107nnagbx6kffhv-clang-3.9.1
<clever> 434M /nix/store/wpnjwdqbrgdj5xhwxc9vn2qmv34y1bx9-wine-2.0-rc3
<clever> 457M /nix/store/.links
<clever> 56G /nix/store/
<vcunat> and what keeps the paths alive
<clever> neat
<clever> error: Package ‘storebrowse-20130318212204’ in /nix/store/q71jxrnm2a49s8hzfirm4ssri1x0lqqg-nixos-18.03pre118328.6d86fcb86d/nixos/pkgs/tools/system/storebrowse/default.nix:6 is marked as broken, refusing to evaluate.
<vcunat> hehe, possibly
<vcunat> I haven't used it in years, maybe
<clever> i have been considering making something with haskell and curses
<vcunat> this one's in go
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master fdf9d0b Michael Alan Dorman: elpa-packages: 2017-12-08
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 1d86944 Michael Alan Dorman: org-packages: 2017-12-08
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 3f0e605 Michael Alan Dorman: melpa-stable-packages: 2017-12-08
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<vcunat> and it runs a web server for GUI
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<manveru> MoreTea: you around?
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<MoreTea> yes
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<MoreTea> manveru: yes
<MoreTea> btw, any recommendations for a user-level profile manager? There appear to be a few alternatives
<MoreTea> a new laptop is on it's way, and I'd like to get a bit more declarative over there ;)
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<andi-> MoreTea: personal taste: home-manager
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<manveru> MoreTea: just wondering about what you did with kubernix
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<MoreTea> manveru: not much yet, unfortunately.
<MoreTea> manveru: I'm not that well versed in Go, but apparently the rust grpc implementations are getting better nowadays. I already created a small sandbox creation experiment with bind-mounts in Rust (that would put the closure of a derivation in a namespace)
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<manveru> ok
<manveru> well, was mostly interested in the way you used dep
<manveru> without specifying all the input hashes
<MoreTea> oh, haha.
<MoreTea> it's still on github ;)
<MoreTea> should I create a dep2nix as well :)?
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<MoreTea> manveru: we should also write some proper documentation for yarn2nix.
<manveru> dep2nix would be awesome :D
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<manveru> i'm preparing a new project for the company today, and just looked for ways to reuse that Gopkg.lock
<manveru> shame they don't have hashes
<wizek[m]> If I have a shell command like `nix-shell -p "haskell.packages.ghc821.ghcWithPackages (p: with p; [lots of packages])" -j4 --run "ghc Main.hs"`, how can I transfer that nix-expression into a default.nix or shell.nix the simplest way?
<MoreTea> manveru yeah. I know that the author of the go2nix (or something like that) package, was also taking an interest in dep.
<wizek[m]> I've tried like this: `{nixpkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {}}: nixpkgs.haskell.packages.ghc821.ghcWithPackages (p: with p; [lots]);`
<MoreTea> He might have a more complete solution than my quick hack.
<MoreTea> but again, yarn2nix also started out as a quick hack.
<manveru> tbh, go2nix is also pretty hacky, and sucks when you try to use it for unpublished packages...
<wizek[m]> and putting that in default.nix does drop me in a shell when I do `nix-shell .`, but I don't seem to have my dependencies in there
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<__Sander__> hehe developing generators
* __Sander__ should probably not say too much about it
<__Sander__> I have wasted too much time on them already :D
<manveru> :D
<manveru> yeah... the neverending battle
<manveru> but once dep becomes the standard go package manager... we better have a good integration ready
<manveru> i still haven't published my elm2nix stuff really :|
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<__Sander__> I have studies the concepts of dep yet
<__Sander__> hopefully it does not have so many oddities as NPM
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<manveru> not afaict
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<MoreTea> PR's welcome ;)
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<MoreTea> Just the extracted code from Kubernix for now.
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<WorkingToast> \o I'm trying to figure out module/import variable concatenation; for example, let's say in configuration.nix I have imports = [ ./a.nix ./b.nix ];, a.nix is {}: { a = ["abcd"]; } and b.nix is {}: { a = ["wxyz"]; }, will I be able to use `a` at the bottom of configuration.nix, and will its value be ["abcd" "wxyz"] as I assume it would?
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<ckauhaus> preparing another Security Roundup
<ckauhaus> this time I'm feeling lucky and try it with release-combined.nix
<ckauhaus> expecting quite a bit of coverage
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<catern> how do I pin nixpkgs on 1.11 again? is it documented somewhere
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<gchristensen> MacOS 10.13 is continuing to be a shining star of security awareness
<gchristensen> oops, wrong chan
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<__Sander__> hehe
<__Sander__> that's no news :D
<gchristensen> see ##nix-darwin for the scoop, __Sander__ :)
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<joepie91> boo, I missed the scoop :(
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<thoughtpolice> catern: I have an example here -- https://github.com/thoughtpolice/clash-playground -- if you just copy the 3 files from nix/ and then do something like `let nixpkgs = (import ./nix/nixpkgs.nix) { config = {} };` then you should be good to go.
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<thoughtpolice> catern: That example is somewhat unconventional because it does not use the usual `fetchFromGitHub` to do the dance. It actually bootstraps nixpkgs *without* using an existing copy of nixpkgs, at all.
<thoughtpolice> catern: Normally, you'd do something like `let boot = import <nixpkgs> {}; nixpkgs = boot.fetchFromGitHub { ... };` and then use `nixpkgs` afterwords.
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<thoughtpolice> catern: Unless you mean pin your channel! I assume you meant 'pin nixpkgs for some project'
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<makefu> thoughtpolice: this is similar to https://nixos.wiki/wiki/How_to_fetch_Nixpkgs_with_an_empty_NIX_PATH , right?
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<thoughtpolice> makefu: Yes, that's correct. (In fact my version is just a slight variant on the version in the wiki; looks like the wiki version has been changed up a bit)
<thoughtpolice> The only annoying thing about this version is that `nix-prefetch-git` doesn't work for fetching the bootstrap tarball, so you have to use `nix-prefetch-url`, which is a tad annoying...
<thoughtpolice> (to get the proper hash)
<makefu> maybe you can upgrade the example with your changes ;)
<thoughtpolice> I believe the wiki *is* the updated version! In other words -- I was just using an earlier version and have stuck with it, people have just made a few touchups to the wiki page in the mean time
<thoughtpolice> e.g. the wiki variant adds `system` where as mine does not have this
<makefu> okay thats neat :D i think the question (how to fetch nixpkgs without path) is one of the most-asked and answered in this channel
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<thoughtpolice> makefu: yeah, it'll be great when we can just say "use `builtins.fetchTarball`" and that's all :)
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<domenkozar> oh look thoughtpolice !
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<catern> hmm
<catern> thoughtpolice: hmm, I think I don't like that and also don't like the one on the Nixpkgs wiki either
<thoughtpolice> domenkozar: heya
<catern> IMO, the way it should work is, there should be a "fetchTarball.nix" file that provides a backwards-compatible builtins.fetchTarball-compatible function
<catern> then, you use that directly from your default.nix
<domenkozar> thoughtpolice: looks like you're having too much fun with fpga
<thoughtpolice> catern: In any case, you have your way forward, so feel free to change it up! I'm not particularly picky about this kind of stuff.
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<thoughtpolice> domenkozar: :) It's been fun but uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, EDA tools are not the greatest, jsyk...
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<catern> the reason I am picky is that I need to not only pin Nixpkgs, but also my own pkgs overlay repo :)
<thoughtpolice> domenkozar: For example, just the other day I had the pleasure of opening a UX window and it crashes. Hurray.
<domenkozar> it's hard to be good at hardware and software
<domenkozar> it's hard to be good at hardware or software
<gchristensen> that is better, domenkozar
<domenkozar> frankly, I've given up on hardware projects because software ecosystem is so terrible around it
<domenkozar> but luckily we have folks like thoughtpolice :)
<domenkozar> everyime I have to use ipmiview I feel like there's no hope :D
<gchristensen> ipmi is the pits
<domenkozar> it wants write access to $PWD
<domenkozar> and mixes build/runtime directories
<domenkozar> it's nix hell
<thoughtpolice> domenkozar: It's getting better with cheap FPGAs like the iCE40 and FOSS tools like Icestorm! Powerful FPGAs are still a huge nightmare though :(
<thoughtpolice> We actually managed to fit Quartus inside the Nix store and that's also a challenge. Mainly because it's impossible to `nix-prefetch-url` a file that's 60GB, lol.
<thoughtpolice> I've been wanting to fix that for a while now in nix itself...
<domenkozar> there's a 2 year outdated PR for it
<cransom> nix hell, also see sumologic's agent installation.
<gchristensen> also basically every proprietary VPN in existence
<domenkozar> thoughtpolice: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/619
<gchristensen> I had to setup an elaborate FHS thing + a nixos container + ridiculous iptable rules to get the last one to work
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<ocharles> domenkozar: hey, at least the circuithub.com ecosystem is good ;)
<gchristensen> w00t
<domenkozar> ocharles: been wanting to try that
<domenkozar> actually need to talk to brodul
<ocharles> but we're not gonna help you build fpgas unfortunately
<domenkozar> ocharles: really sad I missed you in slovenia :)
<domenkozar> but I've been told you had good company! :)
<brodul> It was super fun. I hope you enjoyed Slovenia
<brodul> :D
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<berce> thoughtpolice: have do you have experience with clash? (haskell for FPGA)
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<domenkozar> berce: he packaged whole ecosystem for nix
<berce> :-)
<ocharles> domenkozar: yea, it was a shame! there's always a next time :)
<domenkozar> ocharles: what matters is that you had fun :)
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<berce> Nice, well done, thank you!
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<berce> I only just discovered it, and have no specific application now, but it intrigues me.
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<berce> Olimex seems to have nice development boards for iCE40
<berce> I 'm also interested in Teres, their open hardware DIY laptop, aarch64 based
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<berce> Teres with built in iCE running nixos with clash: a lab on a lap
<thoughtpolice> berce: Yeah, I'm using Clash quite a lot (on very very large FPGAs, in fact)
<thoughtpolice> berce: My clash-playground repository, in fact, has everything needed for iCE40 development (including some formal verification :) https://github.com/thoughtpolice/clash-playground
<gchristensen> thoughtpolice: which FPGA?
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<thoughtpolice> Arria 10, soon-to-be Stratix 10, various Xilinx devices (e.g. F1 instances on AWS).
<thoughtpolice> "Hardware as expensive as a small car"
<Neo--> hey guys, I'm trying to figure out how to get both firefox-esr and firefox-master at the same time but can't seem to get it to work - this time I've tried it with overlays but no matter what I do I still get collision https://gist.github.com/uskudnik/0eb302844b096d376abaf2362660ce6d - what am I doing wrong?
<ma27> /buffer ironpinguin
<ma27> oh common weechat
<thoughtpolice> domenkozar: Oh, I'm glad someone else actually is trying to fix that. That'd be awesome to get in for 1.12...
<berce> Such a car can only bring you from a to b, with an FPGA ...
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<gchristensen> thoughtpolice: nice
<gchristensen> thoughtpolice: I know some fellas at Xilinx
<catern> xilinx = xilnix??
<thoughtpolice> I have a very love-hate relationship with places like Xilinx. In particular they make very affordable boards, but jesus... the IP stuff they have and a lot of other stuff is just a huge mess.
<gchristensen> definitely true
<berce> Olimix is very much open source oriented and would probably have a lot of interest in your work.
<thoughtpolice> I have a small PCIe FPGA on the way that the Xilinx PCIe DMA core uses like, half the available LUTs... They don't really bother optimizing things like their IP in my experience. I think this is intentional since it pushes you to either buy a larger device, or shell out your own time on it.
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<thoughtpolice> Recently someone discovered the Xilinx installer ships an entire copy of someone's mingw homedir inside, presumably one of the developer's homedirs. lol. Just like, an extra few GB of nothingness. For no reason.
<thoughtpolice> Then they have drivers in linux that just straight up don't work, lol. Someone submitted some patches for one of their i2c drivers upstream and they were like "i don't know how this worked, ever, it's completely wrong". Then they gave him a roundabout on where to submit the patches, so it's still been totally broken for months (maybe ~4 kernel releases?) Ridiculous
<thoughtpolice> gchristensen: Anyway if I ever meet your friends I'll buy them a beer since I imagine the stories they have are... very unique. And for helping me have fun (which, I have, despite all this nonsense!)
<gchristensen> one sec
<domenkozar> thoughtpolice: someone does need to revive that PR
<thoughtpolice> berce: I'm a big fan of Olimex, yeah. I have one of their STM32 boards here too that's a great little thing. None of their iCE40 boards, though. (I use the Lattice eval boards, myself)
<thoughtpolice> All of their products are pretty well priced IMO, lots of variety. They had some decent little AArch64 boards in the works, last I looked at their blog...
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<domenkozar> ohhh
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<domenkozar> fetchgit doesn't use shallow clone for git refs
<berce> AArch64 is being sold in the laptop
<domenkozar> that explains things..
<domenkozar> how come noone fixed that yet :)
<domenkozar> famous last words before yet another rabbit hole
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<gchristensen> thoughtpolice: if you'll be around in an hour or so, I'll make an introduction
<thoughtpolice> grahamc: I'm about to head out to lunch unfortunately! But if you're around I'll give you a ping when I'm back :)
<nalc> Hey I don't want to ask a stupid question, but seeing https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/21662 and https://github.com/cleverca22/nixos-installer I'm wondering what the status or where the energy is re: graphical installers?
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<gchristensen> thoughtpolice: that is perfect! they're going to lunch right now, too :)
<nalc> I'd love to be able to install NixOS with the ease of Debian, et al.
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<nalc> Willing to do some work on it if I can be pointed in the right direction.
<berce> nalc: later in the same issue is a reference to an installer of manveru. It seems to be more alive.
<manveru> heh
<manveru> yeah, i should probably push my new version
<berce> nalc: you can even talk to manveru himself here :-)
<nalc> ok great
<nalc> I have a sort of general question: does the Nix community really want a standalone distro as the goal, or would people be into setting up Nix as package manager for another (bigger) distro?
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<manveru> nix everywhere!
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<berce> imho only the partitioning step of the installation process could be more user friendly. After that, you just need your configuration.nix file and nix takes care of the rest.
<manveru> indeed...
<nalc> Agreed
<manveru> well, i tried making the partitioning step in the browser, but got bogged down by the complexity
<nalc> I have been playing with Pop!_OS and think it would be a really good base for a Nix system for example
<vcunat> nalc: most of the active contributors prefer using NixOS
<nalc> Understood.
<vcunat> and non-NixOS has a few more rough edges
<vcunat> (like OpenGL)
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<berce> Befor I knew about nixos, the ncurses installer of Debian was my favorite.
<manveru> that pop os is ubuntu with gnome3?
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<manveru> seems like it, just a bit of rebranding and themes ... plus bundling of 3d drivers
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<manveru> oh, he's gone :(
<catern> manveru: berce: is it possible to use the installer developed by another distribution?
<manveru> yeah, that was my initial goal, using calamares installer framework
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<manveru> it's used by quite a few other distros
<manveru> but i can't figure out how to get it to build... and i suck at C++ and Python :P
<manveru> i'll dig into python, but someone has to package this thing
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<berce> catern: with nix-infect you can replace a linux installation with nixos, so yes.
<manveru> if anyone's up for it, here's the original derivation for calamares that was removed a while ago for being ancient and insecure: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/58c377b9aa7a54f6e3f216c228a8556dff9a6929/pkgs/tools/misc/calamares/default.nix
<manveru> the major benefit it has is the integration with the KDE partitionmanager, which is pretty awesome :)
<berce> Is there a new, secure upstream version now?
<manveru> yes
<manveru> just a new release yesterday
<berce> I 'm no expert at all, but I 'll do some reading and try to help you.
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<elvishjerricco> With NixOS tests (https://nixos.org/nixos/manual/index.html#sec-nixos-tests), how would you have one VM connect to another? Do they know each others' IPs somehow?
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<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: Excellent. Thanks for the extremely fast response :)
<gchristensen> :)
* gchristensen is currently shaving many recursively nested yaks in the nixos test infra
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<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: Is it possible to distribute the VMs? Make them each run on a different physical machine?
<gchristensen> I think that would be a big stretch, so no
<elvishjerricco> Alright. Not a major drawback
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<catern> manveru: Anaconda seems a bit more serious
<catern> Calamares seems to be coming from some random obscure distros
<catern> like Nix I guess
<catern> manveru: anyway anaconda is all Python3, so maybe you know that better
<berce> manveru: catern: how about just adding partman to the current installer?
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<romildo> Where is mkDefault documented?
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<catern> berce: perhaps
<catern> blah argh blah
<catern> how should I structure a project that provides a C library and a Python library (wrapping that C library)
<catern> single repo? multiple repos?
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<gchristensen> anyone remember the IPFS + Nix issue that describes performance limitations of publishing new files?
<gchristensen> cc fpletz / globin ?
<ckauhaus> not me
<ckauhaus> but I've compiled another vuln roundup
<gchristensen> nice!!
<ckauhaus> this time I took nixos/release-combined.nix as input
<ckauhaus> scanning a larger pkg set each time
<gchristensen> nice
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<gchristensen> sgrace_, meet thoughtpolice. thoughtpolice, meet sgrace_. thoughtpolice does stuff with fpgas + nix. sgrace_ does things with fpgas and would like to do things with nix.
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<sgrace_wrk> Well... More like I work for an FPGA company...
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<cransom> and gchristensen is quite a matchmaker.
<sgrace_wrk> It's like online dating, but not really. :P
<Lisanna> *blinks*
<gchristensen> all in the name of nixos , cransom
<Lisanna> well apparently I've missed something
<Lisanna> who's the lucky couple
<cransom> will there be a match.com/nixos powered by fpgas? who knows!
<sgrace_wrk> Hahaha.
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<sgrace_wrk> Well, I'm interested in trying NixOS out on some FPGA development software stuff.
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<gchristensen> Nix has been used at Intel for building and testing nets IIRC
<Myrl-saki> Why does `man` not work for nix-shell?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32461: MMA: 15.12 -> 16.06 (master...mma) https://git.io/vb4J7
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<Lisanna> gchristensen: I'm also building some testing stuff with Nix :) maybe before long Intel will be completely nixified
<savanni> Hey, I wanted to mention that a few days ago I installed Nix (the package manager) on a new machine. The new installer is super nice and was very helpful when there was a bit of cruft left from copying my data from an old machine. Thanks for making that so great.
<gchristensen> Lisanna: you're at Intel?
<Lisanna> gchristensen: yeah
<gchristensen> Lisanna: nice!!
<savanni> Oh, and, using Nix as the package manager meant that my development environments came up without a hitch in a single command.
<gchristensen> savanni: w00t! on a mac?
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<savanni> Yeah.
<gchristensen> <3
<savanni> The Mac that I've been using for a month was borrowed from a friend. This is now a company laptop.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32462: fluidsynth: 1.1.6 -> 1.1.8 (master...fluidsynth) https://git.io/vb4Uv
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<Lisanna> anyone have any cool tricks for getting the CC binary from stdenv? stdenv.cc.cc just gives me the path to the compiler toolchain, the required bin/<cc> suffix will be different depending on if it's gcc or clang or whatever
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32463: ladspa-sdk: change back mirror to original site (master...ladspa) https://git.io/vb4U3
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<thoughtpolice> sgrace_wrk: heh, nice to be introduced! If you need tips on nix, feel free to ask :) I’ve been meaning to get clash-playground working with Xilinx tools in fact...
<sgrace_wrk> thoughtpolice: Yeah, I think it would be easier with SDx versus Vivado.
<sgrace_wrk> Since SDx has a lot of GNU toolchain items.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32464: padthv1: 0.8.4 -> 0.8.5 (master...padthv1) https://git.io/vb4UK
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<sgrace_wrk> Since company has a winter shutdown coming in a few weeks, I might get time to do some side projects, one being NixOS for Vivado/SDx.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] orivej closed pull request #32464: padthv1: 0.8.4 -> 0.8.5 (master...padthv1) https://git.io/vb4UK
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<catern> does anyone know the concise and correct way to forward arguments on to nix-shell --command or --run?
<catern> I'm pretty sure nix-shell --command "whatever $@" will break in some cases?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vbgl opened pull request #32466: ocamlPackages.ulex: 1.1 -> 1.2 (master...ocaml-ulex-1.2) https://git.io/vb4Tg
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<Lisanna> catern: hmm, that's somewhat unfortunate. normally programs like that don't require you to quote the command...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32467: puredata: 0.47-1 -> 0.48-0 (master...pd) https://git.io/vb4Ta
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<catern> Lisanna: right, currently I'm talking about it in #bash
<catern> and they are saying nix-shell is braindamaged and idiotic, etc. :)
<Lisanna> catern: I'd expect "nix-shell -p gawk --command echo hi there" to work... that would at least be more compatible...
<manveru> catern: i wasn't aware of anaconda... and i have near zero experience with python, but i guess that's another option :)
<catern> Lisanna: as in, after --command is passed, interpret all further arguments as arguments to the command?
<catern> yeah that would be sensible
<Lisanna> yeah
<Lisanna> that's how it's normally done
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32468: qsynth: 0.3.9 -> 0.4.4 (master...qsynth) https://git.io/vb4T9
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<orivej> catern: this may be correct: --run "$(printf '%q ' "$@")"
<gchristensen> Lisanna: I'd love to talk to you more about this another time (intel + nix)
<themistocle> manveru: what's the link to the repo with your installer work?
<Lisanna> gchristensen: sure :)
<tilpner> Lisanna - stdenv.cc.cc.CC seems to be a thing
<Lisanna> tilpner: only for gccStdenv though
<Lisanna> ):
<tilpner> Oh
<thoughtpolice> sgrace_wrk: Ah, you mean actually getting Vivado to work inside NixOS? That'd be awesome -- someone else at $WORK had tried that but it turned into a major pain, so right now we run Nix-on-Ubuntu and call out to Vivado in an impure way
<themistocle> Thanks manveru
<manveru> themistocle: i mostly focused on the frontend work though... and it's halfway done all the way :P
<manveru> ran out of free time
<sgrace_wrk> thoughtpolice: Yeah, I don't know if Vivado would work too well since the majority of the program is Java, C++, and device data files.
<sgrace_wrk> And TCL.
<sgrace_wrk> SDx would be easier, but it calls Vivado in the background...
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<catern> orivej: ah yeah that works!
<manveru> catern: the question is if you can use anaconda with something other than yum easily...
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<catern> orivej: also, apparently there's a new bash 4.4 feature to do this more concisely: --run "${*@Q}"
<TweyII> Is it documented what a channel needs to look like?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32470: synthv1: 0.8.4 -> 0.8.5 (master...synthv1) https://git.io/vb4kW
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<Lisanna> TweyII: yes, in the nix-channel manpage
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32471: synthv1: 0.8.4 -> 0.8.5 (master...yoshimi) https://git.io/vb4kD
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<TweyII> Lisanna: Oh yes, there it is — thanks >.<
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<Lisanna> TweyII: I mean... you can definitely put that in your nix path and it will work
<Lisanna> I'm not sure it will work with nix-channel --add
<Lisanna> All I know is I built a channel following the instructions in man nix-channel and it works :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32473: aubio: 0.4.5 -> 0.4.6 (master...aubio) https://git.io/vb4Ll
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] orivej closed pull request #32470: synthv1: 0.8.4 -> 0.8.5 (master...synthv1) https://git.io/vb4kW
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32474: suil: 0.8.4 -> 0.10.0 (master...suil) https://git.io/vb4Lj
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] orivej pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vb4tJ
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 27ed6da Bart Brouns: drumkv1: 0.8.4 -> 0.8.5
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9cef8a0 Orivej Desh: Merge pull request #32460 from magnetophon/drumkv1...
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<gchristensen> scopedImport is used a surprising number of times on github: https://github.com/search?q=scopedImport&type=Code&utf8=%E2%9C%93
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<ryantrinkle> zimbatm: would you mind reviewing https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/32258 when you have a chance? it's quite straightforward
<gchristensen> clever: may I PM?
<gchristensen> I'm in a jam and would really appreciate a hand
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<berce> PR #32322 caused failed cross building. Should I request a revert and make a better PR or just a new PR with the fixes?
<clever> gchristensen: sure
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<berce> The configureFlags containing stdenv.cc.targetPrefix should not have been removed.
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<LnL> clever: I corrupted my nix db yesterday, how would you recover from that?
<LnL> wondering if there's a nicer way then what I did
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<clever> LnL: i think there is a nix command to force a path to be considered valid
<clever> something like --register-validity
<gchristensen> "GC Warning: Repeated allocation of very large block (appr. size 176128):" ruh roh, how do I debug this? :P
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<LnL> is that during evaluation?
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> I then see "Too many heap sections: Increase MAXHINCR or MAX_HEAP_SECTS"
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<LnL> I remember there where some issues with boehmgc when evaluating all of nixpkgs
<orivej> berce: just new PR, because #32322 improved the state for non-cross builds; but I am going to fix it myself.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32476: fftw: 3.3.6-pl1 -> 0.3.3.7 (master...fftw) https://git.io/vb43S
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] orivej closed pull request #32474: suil: 0.8.4 -> 0.10.0 (master...suil) https://git.io/vb4Lj
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32477: gstreamer: 1.12.2 -> 1.12.3 (master...gstreamer) https://git.io/vb4sk
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<berce> orivej, ok thanks.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32478: serd: 0.26.0 -> 0.28.0 (master...serd) https://git.io/vb4sa
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<tokudan[m]> I've got some issues compiling crates for a rust binary I'm trying to build, error i get from the build process is "thread '<unnamed>' panicked at 'failed to acquire jobserver token: Resource temporarily unavailable (os error 11)'". the exact crate it fails at is different every time. I'm using nixpkgs-unstable channel for the build. full output: http://paste.debian.net/999863/
<LnL> clever: not really documented, have you used that before?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32480: fd: 5.0.0 -> 6.0.0 (master...fd) https://git.io/vb4GG
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] ThomasMader opened pull request #32481: dmd, ldc, dub: Inherit buildInput and meta from build derivation (master...dlang) https://git.io/vb4GB
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<clever> LnL: havent used it before, but i remember seeing it somewhere, the source should say more
<clever> LnL: oh, but that may not get the dep graphsd
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32483: linuxsampler: svn-2340 -> 2.1.0 (master...linuxsampler) https://git.io/vb4G6
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32484: qsampler: svn-2342 -> 0.4.3 (master...qsampler) https://git.io/vb4GH
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<gchristensen> yikes ... so is there any way to debug why I'm getting these allocation messages now but wasn't before?
<LnL> I ended up just booting the installer and running nixos-install again
<LnL> that recovered the closure of my "last" system profile
<LnL> gchristensen: try increasing GC_MAXIMUM_HEAP_SIZE
<gchristensen> I feel like I'm probably doing something by mistake
<gchristensen> magnetophon is DOSing ofborg :D
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32487: Lv2 plugins (master...lv2-plugins) https://git.io/vb4Zr
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] magnetophon opened pull request #32488: dfasma: 1.2.5 -> 1.4.5 (master...dfasma) https://git.io/vb4ZK
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<magnetophon> gchristensen: aaaand I'm done! :D
<gchristensen> I just spun up another evaluator to help catch up
<magnetophon> cool! :D
<gchristensen> yikes this is going to be a mess
<gchristensen> master doesn't evaluate
<LnL> what command does ofborg execute?
<gchristensen> crap, the extras I spun up incorrectly marked them as failing.
<gchristensen> they were using an unreleased version of borg :/
<gchristensen> LnL: can you comment on the PRS magnetophon opened with "@grahamcofborg eval"? :/ sorry to ask you of that. otherwise, I can do it in about 1hr
<LnL> sure :)
<gchristensen> thank you :$%
<LnL> magnetophon: whoa! you've been busy :D
<gchristensen> that'll show me to try and help without really thinking about what I'm doing :)
<sgrace_wrk> gchristensen: Re-thinking your day? :P
<gchristensen> my day has been miserable unfortunately, heh
<gchristensen> so I guess! :D
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<sgrace_wrk> Same here...
<sgrace_wrk> Everyone and their mom is just pushing work on me that I just can't do when I have higher priority things to get done.
<gchristensen> yeah ... I know that feeling
<magnetophon> LnL: Yeah, I wanted to just update fftw, but since it needed to rebuild so much stuff anyway, I figured I'd update those too.
<magnetophon> then I was on a roll, and updated some more... :)
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<magnetophon> There's also a few tat I couldn't get to build, and no one was helping me with my dumb questions in here. I could try again, if someone has time... :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master ab917a2 Michael Raskin: busybox: apply upstream patch for CVE-2017-16544
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<LnL> I might be able to help
<gchristensen> I think I sorted my problem, I think I was using self / super wrong in my overlay (thank you nbp for this talk :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W85mF1zWA2o)
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<elvishjerricco> Can anyone ELI5 how to use hydra to check PRs and push GitHub statuses?
<joepie91> gchristensen: oh no, another video for my to-watch list :(
* joepie91 has too many Nix bookmarks :P
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 3aab319 Bart Brouns: puredata: 0.47-1 -> 0.48-0
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master a573052 Orivej Desh: Merge pull request #32467 from magnetophon/pd...
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<makefu> elvishjerricco: why would a 5yo kid need to know how PRs get checked by nixos continous integration? :D
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<samueldr> I would assume because hydra seems like a good tool for continuous integration?
<gchristensen> guh I really stepped in something
<makefu> good point, however i'd like hydra to be more nix'ey
<makefu> gchristensen: changed nix store and now nix is not happy about this?
<magnetophon> LnL: thanks. let me break out my stash. (It'll take a while, since I'm clumsy with git, and stuff will need to build.)
<gchristensen> no
<gchristensen> I changed from overridePackages to overlays and now I get "GC Warning: Repeated allocation of very large block (appr. size 172032): May lead to memory leak and poor performance." and then nix gets killed
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<manveru> man, nix-locate is a god-send
<manveru> at least i think i have a chance of building this qt stuff now
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<LnL> gchristensen: weird that's basically just implemented as overlays ++ [ (self: super: packageOverrides super) ];
<gchristensen> I may have changed other stuff too, but it is hard to know
<clever> gchristensen: any chance it might be an infinite loop?
<gchristensen> possibly, how would I debug that?
<clever> gchristensen: are you importing nixpkgs anywhere?
<gchristensen> I think only just once
<gchristensen> actually twice :|
<clever> and if the values of the overlays depend on nixpkgs
<gchristensen> once and then I import <nixpkgs/nixos/tests/make-test.nix>
<gchristensen> (which then imports nixpkgs)
<clever> i think that one uses nixpkgs.overlays, not the global ones
<gchristensen> I do pass an overlays array in to that
<gchristensen> `nixpkgs.overlays = overlays;` where overlays are passed in from the outside
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<gchristensen> what have I done :)
<clever> oh, try adding a builtins.trace in that area
<clever> so it prints something every time you fetch the overlays
<gchristensen> should it only be calling the overlays once?
<gchristensen> -ish
<clever> yeah
<clever> but if there is an infinite loop
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging 635490e Bart Brouns: fftw: 3.3.6-pl1 -> 3.3.7
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging 870690f Orivej Desh: Merge pull request #32476 from magnetophon/fftw...
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<gchristensen> ok that is helpful
<gchristensen> clever: so yes that is definitely looping :|
<clever> where did that overlays variable come from?
<LnL> maybe on of the overlays is using stuff outside of self/super?
* gchristensen 'll check in to that
<LnL> on nixos evaluating config in packageOverrides/overlays also causes recursion I think
<magnetophon> LnL: I'm trying to build http://nixpaste.lbr.uno/0KpVtUcy?nix and I'm getting http://nixpaste.lbr.uno/yrODBvjB?nix Is that just a malfunctioning upstream server?
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<aanderse> would nixops be a good fit for managing 3 home theatre pcs all running the same software?
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<gchristensen> so I think it isn't looping indefinitely, clever, I think it is just a matter of how many nixos containers I'm running inside the vm test
<LnL> magnetophon: looks like that server doesn't support shallow clones
<clever> gchristensen: ah
<clever> gchristensen: how many?
<LnL> oh
<LnL> that's a different story
<clever> gchristensen: at around 40-50 instances, it can easily OOM a system
<gchristensen> clever: like 9 or 10
<magnetophon> LnL: OK, I'll try deepclone = true then. thanks
<clever> gchristensen: how much ram on the machine?
<gchristensen> 62G
<clever> lol
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] pSub pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vb4lx
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 7314d58 Robert Schütz: git-annex-remote-rclone: 0.5 -> 0.6
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 44a4118 Pascal Wittmann: Merge pull request #32430 from dotlambda/git-annex-remote-rclone...
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<WorkingToast> so little
<clever> that should easily handle 10 instances
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<magnetophon> aanderse: I'm using regular nixos for managing my 3 audio-studio PC's and it works great. why are you thinking of nixops?
<LnL> gchristensen: have you tried the gc environment variable?
<gchristensen> no, I was spooked by not knowing what to set it to :P
<clever> gchristensen: i just set it to insanely large numbers, lol
<LnL> try GC_INITIAL_HEAP_SIZE=$((8*1024*1024*1024))
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<gchristensen> will do, shortly
<sgrace_wrk> That's quite large.
<sgrace_wrk> At that point, it's not a heap, it's a mountain.
<gchristensen> oh that did it!
<gchristensen> <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 thank you all so much
<LnL> you'll need to do something like that for large evaluations
<clever> but bumping it up like that is more of a stop-gap, ive seen it consume as much as 20gig of ram, just to eval a nixops deployment
<LnL> not sure why
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<clever> no dedup within the heap/thunks
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<sgrace_wrk> gchristensen: Imagine building an AWS F1 platform to do nothing but build nixOS.
<sgrace_wrk> It would be so fast.
<gchristensen> yes please
<sgrace_wrk> 8 VU9P FPGAs that have like 128GB of RAM.
* gchristensen mops up drool
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<clever> :D
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] dotlambda opened pull request #32490: pythonPackages.py3status: 3.6 -> 3.7 (master...py3status) https://git.io/vb44W
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<sgrace_wrk> Just gotta basically build a compiler for the FPGA.
<sgrace_wrk> Which may or may not be possible.
<sgrace_wrk> Since malloc is a bitch on FPGAs.
<viric> ¬_¬
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<sgrace_wrk> AKA: You can't do dynamic memory allocations on FPGAs at runtime.
<gchristensen> yikes
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<clever> it would probably be simpler to make a special purpose cpu that runs a custom assembly
<clever> and then throw some malloc in that
<sgrace_wrk> Yeah.
<laggy_wifi> i need help with redirection rules, my basic rule is "redirect if it exists", a conflict would be perl cpan, as if it is hardcoded to ~/.cpan and install as (for example) perl -V:installsitelib, then how would i prevent it from creating files outside of the application's directory without restricting user freedom, for example all files are redirected if they exist, to /home/apps/perl, cpan may install perl libs to /usr/share/
<laggy_wifi> perl5/site_perl instead of /home/apps/perl/usr/share/perl5/site_perl, if i forcefully redirect everything to ./ then ../ and / will become inaccesable wich is bad
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<laggy_wifi> and implimenting application id's would be just as bad
<laggy_wifi> as for example /bash/bin/bash will become inaccessable to any application as they are forcefully redirected to /application_name
<laggy_wifi> and the same also applies for python
<laggy_wifi> and any other application that works in similar ways
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<manveru> so... anyone know how to punch cmake into shape?
<orivej> manveru: what is your issue with cmake?
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<manveru> i get this
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<manveru> caused by this part of the cmake_install.cmake
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<sgrace_wrk> Cmake is a black box of pain for me.
<manveru> yeah... i'm afraid of every C++ app i have to make :(
<manveru> so much time wasted
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] dtzWill opened pull request #32492: gnuplot: 5.2.1 -> 5.2.2 (master...update/gnuplot-5.2.2) https://git.io/vb4EX
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<orivej> manveru: append "POLKITQT-1_POLICY_FILES_INSTALL_DIR=$(out)/somewhere" to cmakeFlags
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<orivej> $(out)/share/polkit-1/actions
<manveru> "-DPOLKITQT-1_POLICY_FILES_INSTALL_DIR=$(out)/share/polkit-1/actions"
<manveru> like that?
<orivej> yes
<manveru> thanks
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<manveru> now back to waiting for it to maybe build :)
<orivej> you may use https://github.com/dezgeg/nix-debug-shell to avoid rebuilds from scratch
<manveru> hm, now i get a totally different one
<manveru> tried with $(out) and $out, but neither seems to be valid
<LnL> $(out) should work for makeFlags and friends
<LnL> just $out will get quoted
<manveru> yes, i was just thinking that might be what caused the error with "("
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] orivej closed pull request #32478: serd: 0.26.0 -> 0.28.0 (master...serd) https://git.io/vb4sa
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] orivej pushed 2 new commits to staging: https://git.io/vb4zP
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging 6cc35d0 Bart Brouns: gstreamer: 1.12.2 -> 1.12.3
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] orivej closed pull request #32479: sord: add pcre (master...sord) https://git.io/vb4GY
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<magnetophon> orivej: I fixed those pd-plugins, but I can't figure out how to rebase the fixup (not sure if those are the right terms, it's the terms I learned from using magit), since there are commits between the fixup, and the one it needs to be merged with.
<magnetophon> orivej: nm, found it
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<gchristensen> Mic92: ping
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<Lisanna> Ugh... I'm using gccStdenv with gfortran as a nativeBuildInput, and my build is failing because for whatever reason it's picking up g++ from gfortran rather than gccStdenv
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<Lisanna> so I'm guessing PATH is being constructed in the wrong order
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<a_nix_beginner> hello how do i set haskellPackages to point to haskell.packages.ghc822 instead?
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<a_nix_beginner> by default it's using ghc802
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<a_nix_beginner> maybe i should ask it in #haskell instead :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] joachifm closed pull request #32481: dmd, ldc, dub: Inherit buildInput and meta from build derivation (master...dlang) https://git.io/vb4GB
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] florianjacob opened pull request #32493: piwik: 3.2.0 -> 3.2.1 (master...piwik-3.2.1) https://git.io/vb4aO
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<gchristensen> anyone know how exactly we produce nixpkgs but with the arch-specific attr at the end? ie the x86_64-linux part of mypkg.x86_64-linux. I want to do this for https://github.com/grahamc/ofborg/blob/master/release.nix but thtis produces x86_64-linux.ofborg.rs, ie: the opposite
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<bennofs> gchristensen: you could looks at nixpkgs' release.nix :)
<Mic92> gchristensen: what's up?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] mpickering opened pull request #32494: ber_metaocaml: (re)init at 104 (master...ber-metaocaml2) https://git.io/vb4a1
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