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<fusion809> Hey folks I'd like to edit my /etc/sudoers file so I don't have to keep entering my sudo passwd when I run sudo. I know it's not secure and safe and all that but I'm only running NixOS in a VM so it's a major risk. Editing /etc/sudoers doesn't make any persistent changes as changes are discarded on shutdown and on restart files in /etc are re-populated.
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<fusion809> so it's not a major risk^
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<xelxebar> webkitgtk-2.4.11 is throwing a compiler error for me
<cransom> fusion809: https://nixos.org/nixos/options.html#security.sudo.wheelneedspassword and add your user to the wheel group
<gandreani> fusion809: You can add your user to the wheel group and use the security.sudo.wheelNeedsPassword option
<gandreani> cransom: Dang beat me to it XD
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<fusion809> Thanks! I actually just answered a question on Quora about why I think NixOS isn't as popular as other distros. Feel free to read and critique it (https://www.quora.com/Why-is-NixOS-not-more-popular/answer/Brenton-Horne)
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<cransom> i'm fine with a thing not being popular. chef/puppet/ansible are very popular and i would rather not use any of them compared to nix/nixos.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFeUe
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master c1addcd Joerg Thalheim: xf86-video-intel: 2017-04-18 -> 2017-10-19
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<gandreani> Getting a weird error when I try to switch from slim to gdm
<gandreani> Failed to load the backend: opening module nix failed : /nix/store/*-packagekit-1.1.3/lib/packagekit-backend/libpk_backend_nix.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] vbgl pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFeTe
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 698894a Vincent Laporte: ocamlPackages.wasm: 0.13 -> 1.0
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 closed pull request #30781: rtv: 1.18.0 -> 1.19.0 (master...rtv-1.19.0) https://git.io/vdjxF
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<ghostyyy> i have a question - https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/applications/misc/pcmanfm/default.nix this doesnt mention dbus at all, does that mean that it cant use dbus at all?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 closed pull request #30779: Revert "vc: Broken on i686" (master...vc_not_broken) https://git.io/vdjHi
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<srhb> ghostyyy: I don't think dbus is special in any way, so if it did use it, it'd be an impurity.
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<srhb> ghostyyy: (As in, if dbus were not already present and it required it, it would be an error)
<ghostyyy> it is linked to dbus
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<ghostyyy> i am trying ot find out why pcmanfm isnt activating tumblerd for thumbnails
<srhb> Oh, it depends transitively?
<srhb> Maybe.
<ghostyyy> im not sure, ive got no idea how dbus works or even what it does
<srhb> Well, it certainly does depend on it at least..
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFekj
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 35bf3b8 Renaud: apktool: 2.2.4 -> 2.3.0
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 28f0aba Jörg Thalheim: Merge pull request #30770 from c0bw3b/pkg/apktool...
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* Li[m] sent a long message: Li[m]_2017-10-25_01:50:46.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ktyDwrVTxuowpLrqyjRBBWJi>
<srhb> Li[m]: A shell that isn't already in nixpkgs?
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<Li[m]> its in nixpkgs
<srhb> Li[m]: You're on NixOS?
<Li[m]> pkgs/shells/ion/default.nix
<Li[m]> yes
<srhb> users.users.li.shell = pkgs.ion; ?
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<Li[m]> so how do I make it a 'packageSHell' ?
<Li[m]> shellPackage
<srhb> Is that really necessary? Hm..
<cransom> just set environment.shells = [ pkgs.ion ]; ?
<Li[m]> well nix wont let me unless it is
<Li[m]> ill try that
<srhb> I suppose it really ought ot have a module setting that..
<srhb> Like for instance nixosmodules/programs/fish.nix
<srhb> er, nixos/modules
<Li[m]> it didnt work
<iqubic> Except fish on NixOS is not working very well.
<cransom> otherwise, look at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/release-17.09/nixos/modules/programs/zsh/zsh.nix and modify until it works with your package
<srhb> But at least it has the whole environment.shells shenanigans
<iqubic> What is ion?
<Li[m]> i use mksh now and it doesnt have a module there
<Li[m]> all it wants is the pkg to have the 'shellPackage' type
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<Li[m]> iqubic: ion is the shit
<Li[m]> a shell that has left the 80s
<cransom> oh, so its like powershell
* cransom ducks
<Li[m]> dont know anything about that
<Li[m]> its the shell of redox
<Li[m]> or maybe I could just remove the check :P
<Li[m]> f*** pain
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFeL2
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 0034f9e Peter Hoeg: dnsmasq nixos: make sure it always runs...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master fd9ae92 Franz Pletz: Merge pull request #30319 from peterhoeg/f/dnsmasq...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz closed pull request #30721: xpointerbarrier: init at 17.10 (master...xpointerbarrier) https://git.io/vdxsN
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFeL5
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master a15cb74 Piotr Bogdan: marp: 0.0.10 -> 0.0.11
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 00308bb Franz Pletz: Merge pull request #30730 from pbogdan/update-marp...
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<iqubic> is there a guide to ion anywhere?
<iqubic> Like how to install it on NixOS
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<Li[m]> nix-env -iA nixos.ion
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<Li[m]> could it be because I put the attribute `passthru.shellPath` under `buildRustPackage` ?
<Li[m]> `while evaluating ‘toShellPath’ at nixpkgs/nixos/lib/utils.nix:21:17, called from undefined position`
<ghostyyy> man, i dont understand this, ive been trying to get pcmanfm to do image thumbnails for the past three or four hours
<ghostyyy> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/9679 i found this but it basically says "works on my machine"
<ghostyyy> i wonder if he must have some extra package or setting that makes it work
<Li[m]> it probably needs the thumbnailing tool's direct path
<fearlessKim[m]> ghostyyy: ranger can do it :D even video preview
<Li[m]> fearlessKim: which terminal?
<ghostyyy> Li[m], well, in theory, tumblerd is activated via dbus, which tells systemd to run the daemon
<fearlessKim[m]> li termite (VTE based)
<ghostyyy> fearlessKim[m], ill have to look at that, video preview is nice
<Li[m]> im using termite and ranger's image preview dont work here
<ghostyyy> lol
<Li[m]> you using w3m?
<ghostyyy> im using awesome
<Li[m]> what utility gives previews in ranger?
<fearlessKim[m]> ghostyyy: have you looked at the ./configure flags of pcmanfm ? see if sthg
<fearlessKim[m]> Li: w3m
<Li[m]> hmm
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<Li[m]> iv never seen it work on termite
<Li[m]> only unreliably on st, xterm, urxvt
<ghostyyy> bleuuugh is there some kind of build-essential for nixos
<fearlessKim[m]> Li: well it does work here on nixos (worked on Ubuntu too)
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<tempeh> hey is anyone else on git head having trouble building python pandas?
<tempeh> it fails one test in its test suite, even though doCheck is false
<fearlessKim[m]> tempeh: glad you asked, it has been bothering me too
<tempeh> ok, good to know i'm not crazy
<iqubic> Is there a list of all the emacs packages we have derivations for?
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<iqubic> Does anyone else have issues with emacs packages not being found when using "M-x package-install" on NixOS?
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<ghostyyy> my god i finally fixed it
<ghostyyy> only after i installed ristretto and saw it didnt work at all did i google it and find this bug report https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/2946
<ghostyyy> and then i set the desktopmanager to xfce and now everything works great
<ghostyyy> so, for anyone in the future who cant get thumbnails working in pcmanfm, set services.xserver.desktopManager.xfce.enable = true;
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<ghostyyy> at least i learned a lot, in the five hours or so it took me to fix that i learned how to use nix-shell, set up a dev environment, compile things on nixos, and how to use dbus-monitor
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<gandreani> ghostyyy: that's admirable dedication :)
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<Li[m]> how can I force the type to `shellPackage` ?
<Li[m]> I set `passthru = { shellPath = "/bin/ion"; };` but that isnt enough
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<Li[m]> can I see the type of a derivation somehow?
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<clever> nix-repl> firefox.type
<clever> "derivation"
<clever> Li[m]: the .type attribute
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<Li[m]> that what I got "derivation"
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<Li[m]> same as the other shells
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<mrkgnao> which package provides `file`?
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<JosW> clever: yesterday you wrote that eveything you have runs NixOS incl. servers. Do you have your server config online?
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<clever> JosW: some of them
<clever> mrkgnao: file
<JosW> One being an Nginx you would share?
<clever> JosW: that hydra gist does have some nginx in it
<fearlessKim[m]> I would like to have man mptcp but i am not sure what package is responsible for it :/
<clever> JosW: this one is parts of my router: https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/5fb37427c8d944626a49eff525a91d06
<JosW> Reading it now, thanks!
<fearlessKim[m]> man tcp*
<clever> $ nix-locate man7/tcp
<clever> fearlessKim[m]: its in man-pages
<clever> man-pages.out 16,137 r /nix/store/29k7dbrrqabkn79isbmi8ibnvs2ysmb6-man-pages-4.09/share/man/man7/tcp.7.gz
<clever> JosW: this one sets up a really simple nginx with 1 file and 1 directory: https://github.com/cleverca22/nixos-configs/blob/master/netboot_server.nix#L23-L56
<fearlessKim[m]> clever: great
<clever> JosW: that directory contains a cpio archive, which contains a squashfs, which contains a full nixos install
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<kuznero> Hi All!
<JosW> Oh great!!
<JosW> Not sure if I would try the kexec thing on my ISP's vps :)
<clever> JosW: it needs root, and a shared VM wont give you root
<JosW> They provide some strict distro's
<JosW> Me root
<clever> JosW: there are some tests you can do though to check how real your root is
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<clever> JosW: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1024 count=$((1024*64))" will make a 64mb file
<clever> JosW: then mkswap /swap; swapon /swap, does it work?
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<JosW> Eh, this vps is running some sites...
<clever> that command is entirely safe
<clever> it just uses a bit of hdd space as extra swap
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<JosW> clever:
<JosW> mkswap /swap; swapon /swap
<JosW> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 65532 KiB
<clever> JosW: ok, so its not openvz
<clever> thats a good sign
<JosW> nope kvm
<clever> you can just swapoff /swap and rm /swap
<clever> JosW: next thing would be to confirm if grub is in the MBR
<clever> [root@amd-nixos:~]# hexdump -C /dev/sda | head -n30
<clever> 00000180 47 52 55 42 20 00 47 65 6f 6d 00 48 61 72 64 20 |GRUB .Geom.Hard |
<JosW> 00000180 7d e8 2e 00 cd 18 eb fe 47 52 55 42 20 00 47 65 |}.......GRUB .Ge
<JosW> on vda
<clever> then there is a reasonable chance that the kexec stuff might work
<clever> youll just need to investigate if its a static ip or dhcp, and confirm if you have an automated way to wipe it and start over, and experiment
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<JosW> swapoff /swap
<JosW> swapoff: /swap: swapoff failed: Invalid argument
<clever> might be another service that turned it off, or you missed a 2nd line from the other command
<mrkgnao> clever: oh, thanks. how silly of me.
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<JosW> ah yep, its fine now
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] zraexy opened pull request #30783: zanshin: don't use stdenv (master...zanshin) https://git.io/vFeW9
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] zraexy opened pull request #30784: kmplayer: fix desktop file exec (master...kmplayer) https://git.io/vFeW7
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<cmcdragonkai> Hey I'm confused here. In what situation can you have an issue addressing a package in the ~/.config/nixpkgs/config.nix but you can find it if you explicitly use `nix-env -f /nix/nixpkgs -i 'pkgs.nodePackages.js-beautify'`, and your NIX_PATH is definitely set to /nix/nixpkgs
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<joko> Good morning, people!
<kuznero> hi
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<joko> cmcdragonkai: I don't see an issue there, I mean, I am using nixpkgs.config.packageOverrides all the time and they are addressable by nix-env at all
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<cmcdragonkai> joko: can you try nodePackages.js-beautify
<cmcdragonkai> eveyrhtiing else works for me except that
<cmcdragonkai> even nodePackages.tern does
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<joko> Is anyone developing Python on NixOS? I am trying to run a Python app and I get "Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: Unable to get the locale encoding" and "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'encodings'". Googling around showed that there might be an issue with PYTHONPATH etc.
<cmcdragonkai> joko: running a python app? do you mean developing one via nix-shell? in which case you'll need a combination of nix-shell provided packages and pip installed packages if you're using the virtualenv or path hack
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<joko> cmcdragonkai: I get error: selector ‘nodePackages.js-beautify’ matches no derivations
<cmcdragonkai> it's only available on 17.09
<cmcdragonkai> i can acquire it from nix-repl
<cmcdragonkai> and also nix-shell
<cmcdragonkai> but not nix-env
<cmcdragonkai> wth!
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<joko> just a sec, let me try with a 17.09 vm
<joko> So, regarding the Python app, I do have a shell.nix and packaged a Python library (json-rpc; will do a PR this week). So it seems to me that I have everything as Nix packages, there is no need for virtualenv, right?
<avn> correct
<joko> cmcdragonkai: I am still getting "error: selector ‘nodePackages.js-beautify’ matches no derivations"
<clever> joko: what command did you run, the full args
<cmcdragonkai> joko: if you really have everything as nix packages, then there should be no need to use pip/virtualenv cause of the package hooks for python deps
<joko> clever: this is my shell.nix http://nixpaste.lbr.uno/8xhc0XFA?nix
<clever> joko: the string from your error does not appear anywhere in that file
<joko> Unfortunately I cannot share my Python code :(
<clever> joko: you must have ran something else with js-beautify in it
<joko> clever: sorry, no js-beautify
<joko> clever: that's cmcdragonkai's issue :)
<clever> 2017-10-25 04:52:02 < joko> cmcdragonkai: I am still getting "error: selector ‘nodePackages.js-beautify’ matches no derivations"
<cmcdragonkai> clever: js-beautify is my issue
<clever> joko: what gave this error?
<clever> cmcdragonkai: ah
<cmcdragonkai> clever: and it doesn't make sense at all!
<clever> cmcdragonkai: what command did you run?
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<cmcdragonkai> clever: I just did a comparison
<cmcdragonkai> clever: nix-env -i env-all with config.nix with NIX_PATH=nixpkgs=/nix/nixpkgs
<cmcdragonkai> clever: that didn't work and didn't get me js-beautify
<cmcdragonkai> clever: but with nix-env -f /nix/nixpkgs -i env-all
<cmcdragonkai> clever: that does get me js-beautify
<clever> cmcdragonkai: nix-env never reads NIX_PATH
<cmcdragonkai> clever: since when?
<clever> cmcdragonkai: always
<clever> cmcdragonkai: it will only search the default expressions in ~/.nix-defexpr/
<clever> you have to give it -f '<nixpkgs>' to make it use the NIX_PATH
<cmcdragonkai> clever: oh really
<clever> and yes, nix-env is the only tool that does that
<cmcdragonkai> clever: how is the default expressions in ~/.nix-defexpr setup?
<cmcdragonkai> oh i see...
<clever> [clever@amd-nixos:~]$ cat .nix-defexpr/test/foo/default.nix
<clever> import /home/clever/apps/nixpkgs
<clever> cmcdragonkai: it will recursively search until it finds a default.nix, and then use the element above that as a name
<clever> so the above file, becomes foo, and you can nix-env -iA foo.hello
<clever> [clever@amd-nixos:~]$ ls -lh .nix-defexpr/channels_root/nixos/default.nix
<clever> and this is accessible at nix-env -iA nixos.hello
<clever> there is no depth limit to the recursive searching
<clever> and the levels past nixos/foo when going up are ignored
<cmcdragonkai> ok
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/staging a505abc Florian Klink: libcap: already patch Make.Rules in prePatch...
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<cmcdragonkai> is there a way to make .nix-defexpr point to /nix/nixpkgs?
<clever> look at the foo/default.nix above
<cmcdragonkai> i know there are channels inside it, i have `channels` and `channels_root`
<clever> i just made a test and foo subdir, with a default.nix that imports a nixpkgs
<jluttine> has anyone used riot-web in nixos? i installed riot-web package but i have no idea how to launch the app.. there's no riot* executable in my path :/
<clever> jluttine: look at tha path nix-env downloaded, and run ls on that
<cmcdragonkai> clever: why test/foo/default.nix
<cmcdragonkai> clever: i mean what's the significance of those 2 directory names?
<clever> test, so it doesnt collide with channels or channels_root
<cmcdragonkai> clever: do they match some sort of channel structure?
<clever> and foo, which is the name of the "channel"
<clever> jluttine: yeah, thats just a bare document-root, you need to point a webserver at it, not install it
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<jluttine> clever: ok, thanks. would be nice if those could be wrapped as apps (using some simple browser instance for wrapping)
<jluttine> (would prefer such wrapping for many web services too, like facebook)
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<cmcdragonkai> clever: I actually deleted all my channels
<cmcdragonkai> clever: nix-channel --list shows nothing
<cmcdragonkai> and for root as well
<cmcdragonkai> because i thought nix-env reads NIX_PATH
<clever> cmcdragonkai: ah, one sec then
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<cmcdragonkai> clever: so is it possible for me to just delete ~/.nix-defexpr/channels and ~/.nix-defexpr/channels_root
<Phillemann> nixos-unstable is 2 days old now. I was told that I can look here https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixos/trunk-combined/tested#tabs-constituents to see why it wasn't updated. But I'm not sure I see why.
<Phillemann> There are some question marks, for example in nixos.tests.firefox.x86_64-linux. Is that the reason?
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<cmcdragonkai> clever: and just use something simple inside there to make nix-env use /nix/nixpkgs
<clever> cmcdragonkai: i have a solution that will be more seamless, and not involve deleting things
<clever> cmcdragonkai: one minute
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<clever> cmcdragonkai: this adds a dummy channel to channels_root, which just imports the nixpkgs in my home folder
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<clever> cmcdragonkai: so now the channels symlink under root, and the channels_root symlink under all users, will have the dummy channel
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 43277b5 Andreas Rammhold: cockroachdb: v1.0.5 -> v1.1.1
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master cf84d2f Andreas Rammhold: cockroachdb: enable build on darwin
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 4432eb0 Joerg Thalheim: cockroachdb: install bash completion into .bin
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<cmcdragonkai> clever: do you know whether the new nix cli tool will use NIX_PATH?
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<clever> cmcdragonkai: i havent played with it that much yet
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 f901cdc Piotr Bogdan: marp: 0.0.10 -> 0.0.11...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 863beeb Peter Hoeg: dnsmasq nixos: make sure it always runs...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 eff04a3 Eli Flanagan: apache-httpd: 2.4.28 -> 2.4.29...
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<sphalerite> clever: the llvm build succeeded this time!! :D
<sphalerite> I have a kmscon which sort of works on chromeos except that it conflicts with frecon/chromium so it's not usable there
<sphalerite> doesn't seem to be working on nixos yet though
<cmcdragonkai> clever: so i have some questions, how come there's a `~/.nix-defexpr/channels/nixos-17.03` even when i removed all my channels with `nix-channel`
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<clever> cmcdragonkai: removals dont take effect until you nix-channel --update
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<cmcdragonkai> Also, in your example why did you add into the nix/store?
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<cmcdragonkai> Why not just create that file in /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels/
<cmcdragonkai> Why not just create that file in /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels/dummy/default.nix
<sphalerite> Does anyone know stuff about using kmscon? It's saying "no running seats; exiting", but I want it to show a console!
<clever> cmcdragonkai: thats a symlink into the nix store, you cant modify it
<clever> cmcdragonkai: you must use nix-env to modify it, and you have to give it a storepath (or derivation) to add
<cmcdragonkai> clever: I did run `nix-channel --update` just then, it reported that it created 2 symlinks, but ~/.nix-defexpr/channels/nixos-17.03 is still there
<clever> cmcdragonkai: which user did you run --update as, and what is inside ~/.nix-channels for that user?
<cmcdragonkai> cmcdragonkai: i only have 1 user (other than root): cmcdragonkai
<clever> cmcdragonkai: what is the content of ~/.nix-channels for both users?
<cmcdragonkai> there is no .nix-channels for cmcdragonkai
<clever> what is ~/.nix-defexpr/channels a symlink to?
<woffs> you can do nix-channel --remove even if it is not listed in --list
<cmcdragonkai> clever: there is no .nix-channels for root
<cmcdragonkai> clever: channels -> /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/cmcdragonkai/channels/
<clever> cmcdragonkai: and you ran "nix-channel --update" as that user?
<cmcdragonkai> woffs: if i try to remove it again, it is not removed
<cmcdragonkai> clever: yes
<clever> cmcdragonkai: can you screenshot the terminal where you see 17.03?
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 30721a2 Tobias Happ: phpPackages.couchbase: remove warnings on php startup...
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<clever> cmcdragonkai: your cd's into channels?
<cmcdragonkai> yep that means i'm cded into it
<clever> cmcdragonkai: the channels symlink was changed, your cd'd into the old target
<clever> cmcdragonkai: the new target lacks nixos-17.09
<cmcdragonkai> clever: what do you mean?
<cmcdragonkai> clever: if i navigate out
<clever> ls -ltrh ~/.nix-defexpr/channels/
<cmcdragonkai> and then go back in it's still there
<clever> what does it do when you give an absolute path?
<cmcdragonkai> i updated the gist
<cmcdragonkai> with the result of that command
<clever> strange
<clever> let me check the source...
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<jluttine> hmm.. kde plasma broken on unstable? :o
<cmcdragonkai> clever: ah this is what i was relying on
<cmcdragonkai> see how if there are no channels, nix-env should be reading NIX_PATH
<clever> ah
<jluttine> the desktop is just black and no top bar. fortunately i have yakuake running so i can use that to launch apps
<cmcdragonkai> implemented Sep 1 2016
<goibhniu> jluttine: plasma is working nicely on 18.03pre118381.4068703502
<cmcdragonkai> clever: but the fact that i have a rogue channel nixos-17.03
<cmcdragonkai> prevents that from working
<cmcdragonkai> clever: i even hoorayed edolstra's post and i forgot about this aspect
<goibhniu> jluttine: it might be worth testing with a fresh user account ... perhaps some plasma config is pointing to obsolete paths in the store
<clever> cmcdragonkai: nix-env -p /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/cmcdragonkai/channels -e /nix/store/qf450s7ayjaijqlaqmf6m2wp053ifvas-nixos-17.03-17.03beta320.ade5837
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<clever> cmcdragonkai: this should just directly remove it from the channel
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<cmcdragonkai> clever: cool that removed it
<cmcdragonkai> clever: still why would this happen?
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<clever> cmcdragonkai: not sure
<cmcdragonkai> clever: look a bug report about the same thing: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/1067
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 3cb89a8 volth: vuze: init at 5750 (#30557)
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<clever> yeah, that definitely looks like the same bug
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 8bd1580 Joerg Thalheim: powerdns: 4.0.3 -> 4.0.4
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master c9da6d3 Joerg Thalheim: powerdns: remove nhooyr as maintainer
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<joko> Is it possible to copy the derivations of a whole system?
<joko> closures *
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master e3f97e5 Pavel Goran: filesystems: use non-interactive formatOptions by default...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 666d9c0 Franz Pletz: Merge pull request #30339 from pvgoran/fileSystems-silentFormatOptions...
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master eb31aec André-Patrick Bubel: profanity: enable parallel build
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 07e81b6 André-Patrick Bubel: profanity: enable pgp support
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<cmcdragonkai> clever: however after deleting the nixos-17.03 channel, nix-env responds with every selector matching no derivation
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<clever> cmcdragonkai: that <nixpkgs> thing may not be in that version, try installing the dummy channel like in my gist
<cmcdragonkai> clever: you might be right, however how does one know which nix version corresonds to which nixpkgs commit hash?
<cmcdragonkai> that is i have nix 1.11.15
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<clever> just below the commit msg, is a list of branches that include that commit
<cmcdragonkai> clever: and since it is installed by default, then does that mean we only get 1 version of nix that we can use for a given nixpkgs
<clever> only master!
<clever> there is also nixUnstable, but its ... unstable right now!
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<joko> My guess is that I need something like l3lmprhcz5w1xp4nbj42lr8yjs9hc31g-nixos-system-hostname-blabla, how to tell which is the current one?
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<clever> joko: /run/current-system
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<joko> clever: thank you, sir!
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<joko> Hmm, nix-copy-closure reports error: unexpected end-of-file, hash of path â/nix/store/j8dydlcskl12f77jks98myg4w9gbnqrc-python3.5-setuptools-36.4.0â has changed from âddb7a57010288df335916dc2555512d12feacc17b79e71d6eccba99747acb2f1â to âd59d48323f60306b442ad81095ebb32a2804062814cfe6b1fa7ec959eab0f762â! at
<joko> /nix/store/zapwm1wx4j900am73abd9fc3a271yam2-nix-1.11.15/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.24.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/Nix/CopyClosure.pm line 44.
<clever> joko: python has been pretty bad at corrupting storepaths, you need to run "nix-store --repair-path" on that first
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<joko> clever: so, it creates impurities inside the closure? It did get fixed
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<clever> joko: its mostly blocked by nixos re-mounting /nix/store read-only, so not even root can do it
<clever> joko: so i'm not sure when exactly the corruption is happening
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<jluttine> "xsession[4843]: /nix/store/qj9ggl34gn0qh1xpzyjzbfmp2jw65880-xsession: Window manager 'plasma5' not found"
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<eqyiel[m]> is there a way to force nix-build to do a local build (and ignore /etc/nix/machines)?
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<eqyiel[m]> my goal is to use --keep-failed, which doesn't seem to work if a remote builder is used
<clever> eqyiel[m]: if you have root, you can unset both NIX_REMOTE and NIX_BUILD_HOOK when you run nix-build
<clever> eqyiel[m]: without NIX_BUILD_HOOK, it will loose support for remote builders
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<clever> and without NIX_REMOTE, it cant cheat by using the local nix-daemon
<clever> eqyiel[m]: you can also set preferLocalBuild = true; inside the derivation
<clever> that just disables remote builds entirely (but changes the output hash)
<eqyiel[m]> oh, root is needed to write to /nix/var/nix/db?
<clever> and the store itself
<clever> normally, nix-daemon helps, but its harder to tell the daemon to not use NIX_BUILD_HOOK
<clever> other then preferLocalBuild
<eqyiel[m]> clever: yep, thanks, I think preferLocalBuild is a suitable workaround for this use case
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<freusque> hello. does anyone have experience with complex runLatex use cases? I have a situation where the run-latex.sh script fails to produce the same result as the manual pdflatex bibtex pdflatex pdflatex invocations. (an \include thing).
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<cmcdragonkai> clever: I found why the deletion did not work.
<cmcdragonkai> clever: It's because the channel name matters
<cmcdragonkai> clever: if the channel name has `-` in its name, then nix-channel --remove doesn't work, and neither does attribute paths
<cmcdragonkai> when i used a name like just `A` `nix-channel --remove` just works normally without the need to `--update` or anything
<cmcdragonkai> clever: sorry, it's actually `.` not `-`
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<goibhniu> Hi samueldr, did you get a chance to look into the titles for the NixCon videos?
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<jeehell> Hello, I am new to nixos and have some troubles compiling some C++ code using libraries.
<jeehell> I am trying to compile some source code in a bash shell (not nix-shell).
<jeehell> gcc tells me it cannot find mosquitto.h. But mosquitto is installed and available in my profile.
<jluttine> any ideas what could be causing this error (kde plasma not working properly): "xsession[9086]: /nix/store/qj9ggl34gn0qh1xpzyjzbfmp2jw65880-xsession: Window manager 'plasma5' not found."
<jluttine> or how to debug
<goibhniu> jluttine: it might be worth testing with a fresh user account ... perhaps some plasma config is pointing to obsolete paths in the store
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<jeehell> sphalerite: thanks, I am having a look
<avn> jluttine: at some moment code had transition from "desktop + wm" to "desktop+wm" (spaceless) syntax
<avn> so if it stop works after 17.03 upgrade, it can be a clue
<jluttine> goibhniu: moved my home folder and logged in with clean home dir. still not working. the desktop loads but it's not functional
<jluttine> eg, clicking menu at bottom left blanks the screen to black and "reloads" the desktop in a second
<goibhniu> jluttine: ah, it's good to rule that out. Are you using the same revision or NixOS?
<goibhniu> ^of
<goibhniu> i.e. the latest nixos-unstable
<jluttine> avn: where is that syntax used? can't recall ever writing something like that
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<jluttine> goibhniu: channels/nixos-unstable commit hash 4068703502...
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<avn> jluttine: where you select default desktop/wm (if you enable more than one)
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<goibhniu> I wonder why I don't have /nix/store/qj9ggl34gn0qh1xpzyjzbfmp2jw65880-xsession
<jluttine> hmm
<jluttine> goibhniu: that could have been from my non-clean user account perhaps
<goibhniu> ah, that's pretty specific to the system
<jluttine> ok
<goibhniu> it calls /nix/store/psg6yx1vpahi6radrlqjw191zw2glr54-plasma-workspace-5.11.1-bin/bin/startkde here FWIW
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<jluttine> goibhniu: calls the same startkde here too
<goibhniu> jluttine: here's mine http://sprunge.us/GCHE
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<jluttine> goibhniu: in login screen, bottom left, there's a choice Desktop session. i have "plasma5" and "xterm". should these be in format dm+wm?
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<goibhniu> hrm, not sure if I have that, what does that part of your configuration.nix look like?
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<jeehell> sphalerite: after a few iterations for adding all deps, it works fine. Thanks
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<sphalerite> goibhniu: should be able to help Friday evening. What times?
<sphalerite> jeehell: great, glad to hear it :)
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<jluttine> goibhniu: i have no idea wherr those login screen options come from
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<jluttine> goibhniu: i compared the xsession files. the only difference was path to pulseaudio in nix store
<ixxie> there is no gpu support for the tensorflow package right?
<goibhniu> sphalerite, awesome, thanks! I'm aiming to be there by 18:00 at the latest and I'd say I'll spend a few hours testing things out, so some time around then would be great.
<goibhniu> jluttine: can you post your whole configuration.nix to a pastebin?
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<jluttine> that's quite a complex configuration.. i maintain multiple cimputers with it
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<goibhniu> jluttine: hrm, I don't notice anything odd there
<goibhniu> jluttine: I presume `nixos-option services.xserver.displayManager.sddm.enable` is true?
<jluttine> goibhniu: yep
<goibhniu> and nixos-option services.xserver.desktopManager.plasma5.enable
<jluttine> yep
<jluttine> could there be some cache outside HOME messing things up
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<goibhniu> good question, I don't know ... I didn't understand what config change would be required for the issue that avn mentioned, that sounded interesting
<ixxie> if I installed Nix for one user on CentOS, is it possible to get it working for another without reinstalling all of Nix in the multiuser way?
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<TMVector> Hey :) I'm getting something weird where network replies are being sent on the wrong interface
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<TMVector> I can fix it by reducing the metric on the ip route entry that is for the correct interface
<TMVector> E.g. # ip route del default via 192.168.122.1 dev enp0s2 src 192.168.122.76 metric 202 && ip route add default via 192.168.122.1 dev enp0s2 src 192.168.122.76 metric 204
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<TMVector> (I guess that is actually increasing the metric of the other intf)
<TMVector> How can I add these commands to my nixos config?
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<Guest74639> Is there a convention for required arguments that are more than one level deep? I'd hope I'd be able to write a pattern like { a = { b, c } } to require an argument of the shape { a.b = "foo"; a.c = "bar"; } but I can't figure out a syntax for it
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<Phillemann> When I nixos-container root-login into a container, the shell acts weirdly. For example, backspace doesn't work, it inserts a space instead (but "internally" deletes a character).
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<ylwghst> anyone here with Macbook using grub2-efi bootloader?
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<jluttine> goibhniu: "cannot mix incompatible qt library (version 0x50901) with this library (version 0x50902)" sounds like it could be relevant (from journalctl)
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<goibhniu> jluttine: I had that recently too, but upgrading fixed it ... you did reboot after upgrading, right?
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<jluttine> "kcrash: attempting to start /nix/store/...-plasma-workspace-5.11.1-bin/bin/plasmashell from kdeinit"
<jluttine> goibhniu: yep, a few times now
<jluttine> didn't reboot immediately after upgrading though
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<goibhniu> jluttine: I was going to ask if you had stuff installed in your user profile, but you tested with a fresh user, so that should be fine ... so weird
<xd1le> what is grahamcofborg fam
<jluttine> "kcrash: application 'plasmashell' crashing..."
<jluttine> goibhniu: fresh home folder to be more precise
<goibhniu> I guess that's close enough, and it's a bit of a wild guess anyway
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<jluttine> goibhniu: ! i tried with fresh user account, works now
<jluttine> so there is some user specific cache outside home messing things
<jluttine> i suppose
<goibhniu> aha!
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<adamt> Using NixOPs with libvirtd, can I pick a static IP-address for a machine? (I'm deploying a DHCP-server on the network..)
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<ylwghst> Hahahahahahwf
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<ylwghst> i make it woork!
<ylwghst> nvidiaLegacy340 on macbook with geforce 320m
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<goibhniu> ylwghst: \o/
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<betaboon> ylwghst: i am running nixos on a macbook-pro-mid2010. I'm using refind as a bootloader tho.
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<tazjin> has anyone seen nixops get stuck on `reloading the following units: dbus.service`?
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<copumpkin> NixOS occasionally stops for a long time on unit reloads
<copumpkin> like a couple of minutes in some cases
<copumpkin> not sure beyond that
<tazjin> copumpkin: do you know how it's waiting for the unit restart? doing equivalent `systemctl` commands locally on the machine is instantaneous
<copumpkin> not sure, but check switch-to-configuration.pl in the repo
<copumpkin> that's where the logic lives iirc
<tazjin> will take a look, thanks.
<aminechikhaoui> tazjin: maybe also check the journal in the machine to see if there is anything wrong in the logs
<tazjin> aminechikhaoui: nothing, the last related line was actually `dbus[847]: [system] Reloaded configuration`
<tazjin> as in, finished reloading configuration
<goibhniu> hrm ... streaming the conference video may work: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjqkNrQ8F3OhKSCfCgagWLg/live
<aminechikhaoui> sweet :)
<tazjin> copumpkin: afaict it just calls `systemctl reload $unit` and waits for that to return, which it does fine 🤔
<aminechikhaoui> goibhniu: is that last year's conference ?
<tazjin> wondering if maybe it gets stuck on some step _after_ reloading the unit and that just happens to be the last thing it printed
<goibhniu> AmineChikhaoui yep, this is just to have some content to test streaming
<aminechikhaoui> ah that's 2015 :D
<aminechikhaoui> cool
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] spiderbit opened pull request #30790: kodi: downgrades kodiPlugin.joystick to compatible version 1.3.2 (master...master) https://git.io/vFe97
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* goibhniu <3<3<3 obs-studio
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<Alling> I done goofed. x) I set mutableUsers to false and forgot to uncomment the lines that would give root and my user a password. So I can still ssh in but I cannot do anything sudo. So I cannot nixos-rebuild.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] edolstra pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFeQe
<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master 2d5b1b2 Eelco Dolstra: Pass lists/attrsets to bash as (associative) arrays
<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master 3395e3b Eelco Dolstra: Fix exportReferencesGraph in the structured attrs case
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<Alling> Tried booting a live NixOS USB and chroot into the system, so now I have a weird shell in which no command other than cd exists.
<Alling> So wat do?
<tilpner> Try to activate the current generation with /nix/var/nix/profiles/system/activate
<Alling> In the regular installation or chrooted?
<tilpner> In the chroot
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<Alling> tilpner: What's that supposed to do?
<tilpner> Activate the current generation, as I said
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<tilpner> That should put things you expect to be in your PATH into your PATH
<xd1le> Alling: why not just boot into a previous working generation?
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<Alling> xd1le: Tried that but I probably didn't do the right things then. Trying again.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rickynils pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFeQV
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master d788545 Rickard Nilsson: geolite-legacy: 2017-09-17 -> 2017-10-25
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] rickynils pushed 1 new commit to release-17.09: https://git.io/vFeQw
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 d4d4e50 Rickard Nilsson: geolite-legacy: 2017-09-17 -> 2017-10-25...
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<Alling> xd1le: What should I do once I've booted into an old gen?
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<joko> Is it possible to use python35Packages.override to add (not modify) a Python package?
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<tilpner> Couldn't you just python35Packages // { newPackage = something; }?
<xd1le> Alling: edit to uncomment lines that would give root and your user a password and then nixos-rebuild?
<joko> tilpner: seems way smarter, thanks :D
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<xd1le> Alling: edit configuration*
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<Alling> xd1le: nixos-rebuild instantly fails after "building the system configuration" with error: creating symlink from ‘/nix/var/nix/profiles/system-69-link.tmp-920-702308008’ to ...
<Alling> I always do sudo nixos-rebuild switch usually, but I'm not sudo right now.
<xd1le> Alling: ah I see
<ArdaXi[m]> In an old generation, you should still have sudo rights though, right?
<xd1le> Alling: you can't login to root either?
<joko> Hmm, callPackage is not working because in python-pacakges.nix it is set via let as "pkgs.newScope self". Any idea how to properly call them?
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<Alling> xd1le: I can't login neither to root nor to my own user because none of them have a password.
<goibhniu> jluttine: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/30789 looks relevant ... did you find out more?
<Alling> xd1le: I can ssh in to my regular user but I cannot do sudo because no password.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFe53
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9356779 Roman Kuznetsov: Point coreclr to 2.0.0 release
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 71202f8 Roman Kuznetsov: Remove old patches
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 856995d Joerg Thalheim: coreclr: mark as not broken
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<tilpner> Alling - The chroot should allow you to enter as root, so that you don't need to sudo
<xd1le> Alling: not even in an older generation?
<tilpner> (--userspec=0:0 if not default)
<Alling> tilpner: Maybe, but in the chrooted shell, nothing works, so to speak. The only commands that seem to be available are cd and pwd.
<tilpner> (Or init=/bin/sh, if you have the editor enabled)
<Alling> xd1le: Nope, can't login there either.
<tilpner> Alling - And I suggested a fix for that. Can't help you more, need to go now
<Alling> Thanks!
<Alling> Will try.
<ArdaXi[m]> In the chroot, you'll want to `export PATH=/run/current-system/sw/bin` probably
<ArdaXi[m]> Which should give you a lot more commands to play with
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<jluttine> goibhniu: interesting! i found that the issue persists in both sddm and lightdm
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<Alling> Now I can't even get into UEFI anymore (which I need to boot override to the USB drive). The system just insta reboots after saying "Entering setup" for a few seconds.
<Alling> I understand that this is probably not a problem for the #nixos channel to solve.
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<tazjin> is there some sort of trace flag for nixops that will print every step of its perl script evaluation? (akin to `set -x` in shells)
<tazjin> `--debug` doesn't actually show anything during the execution, only at the start
<ixxie> FRidh / FRidh[m] - are you in?
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<CrazedProgrammer> I got a review on my nixpkgs PR adding a package, should I push the changes in a new commit or should I amend them to the initial commit?
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<gchristensen> CrazedProgrammer: usually: amend the initial commit
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<CrazedProgrammer> all right, thanks
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<TMVector> Hey :)
<ixxie> yo
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<TMVector> I'm trying to run some `ip route` commands, but putting them in networking.localCommands doesn't seem to have any effect
<TMVector> Any ideas?
<TMVector> The command is `ip route del default via 192.168.122.1 dev enp0s2 src 192.168.122.76 metric 202 && ip route add default via 192.168.122.1 dev enp0s2 src 192.168.122.76 metric 204`
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] taku0 opened pull request #30791: firefox: 56.0.1 -> 56.0.2, firefox-esr: 52.4.0esr -> 52.4.1esr (master...firefox-bin-56.0.2) https://git.io/vFeNN
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<TMVector> I should probably say that ssh-ing in and running the commands manually works
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<TMVector> Or does anyone have any ideas how I could debug commands that are run in networking.localCommands?
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<tazjin> copumpkin: so my nixops issue is that it executes systemd-binaries from Perl, then calls `wait4()` on them, but it does that call after they've already exited
<tazjin> and then it will block forever, so I assume something else (tm) is reaping those processes
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] 7c6f434c pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFexi
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 07a6ae4 taku0: firefox-bin: 56.0.1 -> 56.0.2
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master d06ce42 taku0: firefox: 56.0.1 -> 56.0.2
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 6dbed5c taku0: firefox-esr: 52.4.0esr -> 52.4.1esr
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<ArdaXi[m]> TMVector: `journalctl -u network-local-commands` should help
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<TMVector> ArdaXi[m]: Okay thanks - will have a gander :)
<infinisil> Alacritty marked as broken :( (https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/30088)
<gchristensen> omg zimbatm amazing work getting rust to 1.20
<zimbatm> thanks!
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<gchristensen> this is just in time to rewrite my terrible grahamcofborg implementation in something more reasonable
<zimbatm> I tried updating to 1.21 later on but firefox is failing the compilation
<gchristensen> :(
<infinisil> gchristensen: Currently written in?
<zimbatm> gchristensen: the only downside is that it doesn't support git dependencies yet
<gchristensen> infinisil: do you really want to know?
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<gchristensen> there are some questions people don't really want answers to
<infinisil> Well, yes!
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] seppeljordan opened pull request #30792: pypi2nix: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.1 (master...update-pypi2nix-1.8.1) https://git.io/vFeha
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<lebel> Being having an issue with printing to a windows printer via Samba, the authentification succeed, I'm using a specific PPD, etc... With that in mind, what do I put for services.printing.drivers ? Everything seems to go fine in Cups, but when I go to the printer, the output isn't there.
<infinisil> Oh god, I take it back
<copumpkin> tazjin: not sure, probably worth a bug report
<gchristensen> infinisil: now you've seen the dark spot of my soul
<tazjin> copumpkin: not sure where to file it to, yet, uncovering more dark secrets ;-)
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<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master 8191992 Eelco Dolstra: Bump language version
<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master 82327e3 Eelco Dolstra: exportReferencesGraph: Allow exporting a list of store paths
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<ixxie> Li[m]: looks very interesting, thanks :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] edolstra pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFejZ
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 5939af5 Eelco Dolstra: pathsFromGraph: Remove obsolete printManifest feature
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 8f349a3 Eelco Dolstra: Add function closureInfo to replace pathsFromGraph...
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<joko> I am trying to build a Python application, is it reasonable that nix downloads and builds all the necessary Python libraries? In a nix-shell I had them all
<sphalerite__> ugh riot is literally too slow to run on my chromebook
<sphalerite__> Anyway, is there an easy way to get a list of config options for the kernel provided in nixpkgs?
<sphalerite__> Without having one booted
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<Dezgeg> nix-build linux_latest.configfile
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] taku0 opened pull request #30793: flashplayer: 27.0.0.170 -> 27.0.0.183 (master...flashplayer-27.0.0.183) https://git.io/vFejN
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<Dezgeg> s/ / -A /
<sphalerite__> awesome, thanks
<sphalerite__> wait, it has to download and extract the full source tarball for it. Ouch
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<sphalerite__> oh well, it'll do. Thanks again
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<sphalerite__> Is there anything besides CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=y and CONFIG_EXT4_FS=y that I might need in order to be able to boot my chromebook from a USB stick without an initrd?
<ylwghst> Can I log grub2 error message which pop ups for a sec before grub2 menu shows the menu? the message is there even before sleep time set in grub.cfg
<Dezgeg> the usb drivers itself :)
<sphalerite__> Dezgeg: smart! Do you know how I can find out which ones exactly I need?
<ylwghst> clever: you remember when i wasnt able to boot grub2 even if I changed efibootmgr order?
<Dezgeg> read sources of the device's .dts file, then Makefile / Kconfig of that corresponding triver
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<ylwghst> clever: i finally explored how does it work on macbooks
<Dezgeg> oh, and your bootloader needs to pass the correct .dtb to the kernel as well
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<sphalerite__> Dezgeg: ok I'm almost completely lost. Do you know of a guide that would be helpful or something?
<vaibhavsagar> hey, how do I get a hydra jobset to reference a separate source location?
<sphalerite__> like I have no idea what the dts and dtbs actually are
<Dezgeg> is there a way to get u-boot running on that?
<sphalerite__> Dezgeg: I think so. I've currently got libreboot with the depthcharge payload on it. I'd quite like to not break the stock chromeos though, since it's very useful for being able to do all the experimenting I need on the device itself
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<sphalerite__> Dezgeg: there's a bunch of stuff that looks like it might be useful at https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201#Mainline_Linux_Kernel but I don't know enough to really understadn what's going on there and how to apply it on nixos
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<sphalerite__> I've got the hang of the whole vboot kernel signing thing though
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<Dezgeg> so the sub-heading "Got linux to boot with an initrd with the version of depthcharge currently used by libreboot by using the following FIT image configuration" describes the files that are needed (zImage, dtb, initrd)
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<Dezgeg> and the patch fragment above shows the relevant .dtb file being rk3288-veyron-speedy.dtb
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<sphalerite__> So the dtb and FIT thing are parts of the kernel build?
<Dezgeg> FIT is the thing you build manually from the pieces
<sphalerite__> ah right and mkimage is what puts them together, and it comes from uboot
<Dezgeg> yes
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<sphalerite__> oh and where do I find the name of the config option I need to enable the USB drivers? I've found the rk3288.dtsi file, which I think is the right one, but where do I go from there/
<Dezgeg> find something that looks like an usb host controller from the .dts, then grep for what driver supports that device listed in the node's "compatible" field
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<Dezgeg> (strings like usb, xhci, ehci are related, also you might need to check any #include'd .dtsi files as well)
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<saf_spa> hello. I am trying to find the package "zandronum". I can see it via www on github in tree/master/pkgs/games/zandronum, but nix-env -qa doesn't see it. I have not added any channels to default installation because I dont want to convert the installation to unstable.
<sphalerite__> it says ehci-generic, so I'm guessing the option I need is CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y?
<saf_spa> how can I see and install this package without converting system to unstable (master is unstable, correct?) ?
<Dezgeg> sounds like it
<sphalerite__> saf_spa: it's unfree so you need to allow unfree packages
<Dezgeg> then, if that node connects to any USB phys, those drivers need enabling as well
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: "cat /etc/nixos/configuration.nix | grep -i unfree" says "nixpkgs.config.allowUnfree = true;"
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<Dezgeg> i.e. I suppose whichever driver provides this "rockchip,rk3288-usb-phy"
<saf_spa> my "nix-channel --list" is: nixos https.....17.09 As I see it, zandronum is master channel: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/tree/master/pkgs/games/zandronum What I dont want to do, is to convert my system to unstable (master), but I want this package.
<saf_spa> "# nix-channel --list" to be exact
<sphalerite__> saf_spa: that doesn't apply to user packages
<sphalerite__> saf_spa: try just doing nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' -iA zandronum
<riclima> Hey wondering if anyone has run into a similar problem: the man files for the packages I install do not appear in
<riclima> Emacs' man command
<riclima> I'm on macOS
<riclima> I am using exec-path-from-shell to try and pull MANPATH, however it never gets set on my system
<sphalerite__> saf_spa: zandronum is in 17.09 too, it's just that there are separate systemwide and per-user unfree settings
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<saf_spa> sphalerite__: well, if I exit back to regular user, and do "nix-env -qaP | grep -ie zandr", I get no results.
<sphalerite__> saf_spa: what if you do nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' -iA zandronum
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: I have just upgraded the channels with "nix-env --upgrade", so that should not be source of problem.
<sphalerite__> like I said before
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<saf_spa> sphalerite__: this is very strange. It refuses to evaluate claiming allowUnfree is not set, asking to insert one into configuration.nix or config.nix (local).
<sphalerite__> exactly
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: does this mean that the global setting does not apply to local users?
<sphalerite__> yes
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: hmm, and can I install zandronum global, or it has to be local only?
<sphalerite__> you can do either
<sphalerite__> To install it for all users, put it in your systemPackages in configuration.nix then nixos-rebuild switch
<saf_spa> so the key is -f key?
<saf_spa> because without this key it does not appear to see.
<sphalerite__> To install it just for one user, `NIXPKGS_ALLOW_UNFREE=1 nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' -iA zandronum` (or you can put allwoUnfree =true; in your ~/.config/nixpkgs/config.inx)
<sphalerite__> the -f '<nixpkgs>' is just to work around nix-env having a terrible UI
<sphalerite__> and have it behave more similarly to all the other nix tools
<sphalerite__> One day nix 1.12 will be done and we'll have a better UI. But that day unfortunately isn't close yet :(
<sphalerite__> Dezgeg: right, I'll try that. Thanks for all the help!
<saf_spa> nixpkgs is different channel, correct? nixos is stable channel?
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: I am actually writing something very ugly, a wrapper script for most common commands in bash.
<sphalerite__> nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' -iA foo is the same as nix-env -iA nixos.foo on a normal nixos setup
<sphalerite__> Except the former will also work on non-nixos systems with normal nix setups
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<sphalerite__> I usually alias nix-env to nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' so I don't have to type it out with the ugly quotes each time
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<sphalerite__> problem with that is that it makes the behaviour inconsistent with most docs :(
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: I still dont get why I cant search for this package, even if allowUnfree is true in my configuration.nix. Possibly the root user needs also to have it in addition to global (in config.nix), because the search runs within root profile.
<sphalerite__> saf_spa: yes, nix-env as root will use root's per-user config, not the system configuration. The system configuration is only used by nixos-rebuild
<sphalerite__> Dezgeg: oh yeah, anything else that might be critical for getting it to boot?
<gchristensen> kmicu, kmicu, kmicu, where are you?
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: allow me one more question, please. Is it possible to add some files to user directories functionally, like what /etc/skel used to do?
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: of course if you know it
* goibhniu bets we'll get to 1000 people/bots in #nixos by 2018!
<sphalerite__> saf_spa: not currently in nixpkgs itself, no. But rycee's home-manager [https://github.com/rycee/home-manager] is useful for doing that sort of thing
<sphalerite__> well, not really like /etc/skel
<sphalerite__> but it's useful for managing dotfiles and such.
<saf_spa> sphalerite__: this is really cool!! Thank you! More nixstuff to research! >:)
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* copumpkin waits for someone to take goibhniu 's bet and then a sudden botswarm appears
* sphalerite__ writes some IRC bots in bash
<goibhniu> lol
* hodapp grabs a pie shell, condensed milk, eggs, cloves, cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, and allspice and stares expectantly at copumpkin
* copumpkin hides
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<gchristensen> yikes
<nix-gsc-io`bot> Channel nixos-17.09-small advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/d4d4e50f7c (from 3 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-17.09-small)
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<copumpkin> :)
<hodapp> hm, I guess I should do a PR for the patches I did to get newest TensorFlow into nixpkgs... assuming someone else didn't do this while I was taking forever to
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<hodapp> I have this tendency to patch something in Nixpkgs that I ned, and then by the time I get around to doing a PR, I haven't needed for weeks
<hodapp> s/ned/need/
<fearlessKim[m]> things like ipsec secrets should be written in /etc right ? applications are not supposed to change their folder once in the store right ?
<gchristensen> right
<fearlessKim[m]> cool
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<gchristensen> I'm a bit slow to remember faces and names, so for other people like me who will be at nixcon, here is a picture of me: http://gsc.io/really-me.jpg
<saf_spa> The biggest difficulty with nixos is its advantages, that require steep learning. A newbie in Linux will only scratch his head for a minute and move on to different distribution.
<disasm> gchristensen: haha, you're not bald!
<saf_spa> For example, I came to nixos because I found a dillemma of binary-only distributions for choosing policy, and this policy can never fit every real case. And Gentoo that is good at that has a problem of compilation.
<gchristensen> disasm: I used to have a shaved head for (not serious) medical reasons :) my drawing is from that time
<saf_spa> Nixos solves all this problems, plus solves problem of configuration merge, so its really the most advanced os.
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<saf_spa> sphalerite__: ^^^ (on approaching 1000 users and reasons)
<disasm> gchristensen: thanks for sharing!
<sphalerite__> saf_spa: yep that's exactly the feeling I get. I've been using nixos for a year now and get sad every time I have to use something else again...
<disasm> gchristensen: this is me: https://registration.nixcon2017.org/static/photos/disassembler (the one wearing the backup, not the one in it, lol)
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<gchristensen> haha
<gchristensen> "you've aged"
<ylwghst> Add services.xserver.videoDrivers=['nvidia'] to /etc/nixos/configuration.nix
<ylwghst> Run sudo nixos-rebuilld switch
<ylwghst> Reboot
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<hodapp> bahahaha. I stalled for so long getting my PR for TensorFlow 1.3.0 that somebody already put in 1.3.1 support
<goibhniu> BTW http://nixcon2017.org/participants.html has moar pics
<hodapp> and the work that I really really really needed TensorFlow 1.3 for Right Now(tm) 2 months ago has yet to actually be started
<gchristensen> goibhniu: I'm concerned that aszlig won't stand up to the expectations set by the photograph
<sphalerite__> maybe I should actually put a picture of myself up there instead of the moose
<sphalerite__> oh wow there is actually a picture of me there if you google my name...
<sphalerite__> not very recent though
<goibhniu> gchristensen: his red eyes look even more glorious at twilight
<goibhniu> sphalerite__: hah!
<gchristensen> hehe
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<sphalerite__> hm, what are the lines in extraConfig for linux supposed to look like? It's not liking my CONFIG_EXT4_FS=y
<gchristensen> drop the CONFIG_ and the `=` I think
<sphalerite__> perfect, thanks!
<gchristensen> I fought that (slow) battle too :P
<sphalerite__> oh yeah, I wonder if botbot.me can make the entire history of the channel available for download. I was hoping to take a look at some stats about it to see (beyond intuitively obvious stuff) what gets discussed/explained particularly often
<ylwghst> sphalerite__: do you mean modprobeExtraConfig?
<sphalerite__> Where intuitively obvious stuff is "don't install libraries", "nix-env's UI is awful", etc
<sphalerite__> ylwghst: no, I mean the lines used to configure a kernel build. See hwat gchristensen linked
<gchristensen> sphalerite__: I could send you my log from since january 2016
<sphalerite__> gchristensen: that would be great! I don't think older data than that would be that useful anyway
<ylwghst> I se
<sphalerite__> gchristensen: I was thinking a factoid bot would be useful, and this could provide some insight into which factoids would be useful
<gchristensen> I agree
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<Enzime> in my local checkout of nixpkgs, I've changed the version, source URL and hash for python3Packages.sip and python3Packages.pyqt5
<Enzime> but when I install qutebrowser (which depends on python3Packages.pyqt5) it still uses the old version
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<JaakkoLuttinen[m> what is the correct way to delete profiles in /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/username/
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<fearlessKim[m]> jluttine: nix-env --delete-generations I think
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* hodapp twiddles thumbs and wonders why NVIDIA needs a 1397 MB driver...
<Profpatsch> hodapp: They embed special code for most games.
<gchristensen> really?
<jluttine> fearlessKim[m]: thanks! actually "nix-env -e '.*'" was sufficient to get what i wanted (no need to actually delete the generations as i first thought)
<hodapp> blaaargh
<Profpatsch> Ever seen an nvidia logo at the start of a game?
<Profpatsch> That’s why.
<gchristensen> neat.
<hodapp> I tend to play games that predate NVIDIA.
<Dezgeg> isn't the nvidia user interface written in javascript (with a full node.js included) these days? :)
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<NixOS_GitHub> nix/master 9971d87 Eelco Dolstra: Fix building on clang...
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 2120660 zraexy: kmplayer: fix desktop file exec...
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<jluttine> goibhniu: solved the kde issue! :) i had some packages installed in my profile with nix-env and those were referring to older qtbase package, and then everything broke because then there was suddenly two different qt versions in the environment when running as my user.
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 159019b Franz Pletz: redis: 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master b3dc24c Franz Pletz: qemu: 2.9.1 -> 2.10.1
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 63bbada Franz Pletz: prometheus-node-exporter service: run as nobody again...
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<goibhniu> jluttine: good job!
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<goibhniu> jluttine: did you comment on that github ticket already?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 6 new commits to release-17.09: https://git.io/vFvcs
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 67c7433 Tobias Happ: phpPackages.couchbase: remove warnings on php startup...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 06055a1 Erlend Pedersen: plymouth service: fix symlink to defaults...
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/release-17.09 44c90f1 Joerg Thalheim: powerdns: 4.0.3 -> 4.0.4...
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<jluttine> goibhniu: yep
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] AmineChikhaoui opened pull request #1632: run query paths in parallel during nix copy and handle SIGINT (master...sigint-copy) https://git.io/vFvcK
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nix] AmineChikhaoui closed pull request #1631: attempt to fix #1630 (master...parallel-query-copy) https://git.io/vFv3I
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<goibhniu> cool!
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 8c9dbb2 Tuomas Tynkkynen: gptfdisk: 1.0.1 -> 1.0.3
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master e85768b Tuomas Tynkkynen: xfsprogs: 4.11.0 -> 4.13.1
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<keret> Hi everyone, I installed nixos with luks and lvm, I have two questions about it. 1. My laptop's integrated keyboard does not work when I am asked to unlock my disk at stage1 of the booting process. I tried adding usbhid to boot.initrd.availableKernelModules, didn't work 2. I have KDE installed, but I want to know if there is a way to install a group of KDE applicaions instead of installing them separately.
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<jluttine> i would like to use the content of the same source tarball for a few different derivations. how can i write a derivation for the unpacked source directory? i tried: sourceDirectory = pkgs.fetchurl { src="..."; sha256="..."; }; but then sourceDirectory points to the tarball, not the unpacked content directory..
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<jluttine> fetchzip !
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<disasm> keret: welcome! can you gist the output of nix-shell -p usbutils --run lsusb
<ArdaXi[m]> fetchers only fetch the file and stick it in the store, the standard builder has an unpack phase
<ArdaXi[m]> So you probably want to make a derivation that only does the unpack
<copumpkin> fetchers can produce folders too
<copumpkin> like fetchzip, or fetchgit, or fetchFromGitHub, or all the other VCS fetchers
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<ArdaXi[m]> Ah, right, fetchzip is pretty much exactly what I just described
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<copumpkin> yeah, except the unpack is part of the fixed-output derivation rather than a normal derivation
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<hyper_ch> Harekiet: still here?
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<ArdaXi[m]> keret: What sort of keyboard is it? It's possible you need a different module, though it seems unlikely
<ghostyyy> i have a program that runs on linux but it is a binary, its interpreter points to /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2,
<ghostyyy> how do i patchelf this so that it runs on nixos?
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<ghostyyy> ahhh thank you
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<hodapp> that's a bit irritating. a shell.nix tells me to run "nix-prefetch-url file://cudnn-8.0-linux-x64-v6.0.tgz" in the download directory for that file, but doing so gives me "error: unable to download ‘file://cudnn-8.0-linux-x64-v6.0.tgz’: URL using bad/illegal format or missing URL (3)"
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<betaboon> is there something like a zen of nix ? :P
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<ArdaXi[m]> hodapp: That seems badly written, as far as I know file:// links need to be fully qualified
<gleber_> Sharing my joy. Over last few days I've set up myself shell.nix for a project, installed direnv with "use nix" for that project, and installed emacs-direnv. It works like a charm and is absolutely awesome! :)
<ArdaXi[m]> `nix-prefetch-url file://$PWD/cudnn-8.0-linux-x64-v6.0.tgz` might work
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<johnw> gleber_: :)
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<jluttine> fetchzip doesn't accept patches.. how could i patch the source directory? i'm passing this directory as src to some derivation creators that don't accept patches either
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<jluttine> something like this would be great: source = applyPatches rec { src = fetchzip {src="..."; sha256="...";}; patches = [./foo.patch ./bar.patch ]; }
<jluttine> but is there something like that applyPatches ^
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<ArdaXi[m]> jluttine: There is srcOnly, closest thing I can find
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<ArdaXi[m]> Takes name, src, patches, runs unpack, patch, and then copies everything into $out
<adisbladis> iqubic: Would you mind sharing your exwm config so far? I'm pretty interested in switching over.
<disasm> keret: is that Chicony keyboard the problem device in question or an addtional usb keyboard?
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<betaboon> gleber_: i just spent a couple of days to prepare shell.nix for developers and devops aswell. this makes selling nix to the suit-faction a breeze :D
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<gleber_> betaboon: yeah! As long as they do not have yet a reasonably working system already. People being accustomed to something often make them not invest into a superior tech if their tech is not too painful...
<keret> disasm: that is the one with problem. I plugged a usb keyboard to unlock the disk then the integrated keyboard started to work in sddm.
<jluttine> ArdaXi[m]: thanks! i think that's perfect
<jluttine> just what i was looking for
<taaperotassu> Strange that my media keys are not working. sound.mediaKeys.enable is in my configuration.nix but it seems like my volume keys etc are not recognized?
<jluttine> has bower2nix been removed?
<adisbladis> taaperotassu: What does xev say?
<taaperotassu> nothing as I use xev | awk -F'[ )]+' '/^KeyPress/ { a[NR+2] } NR in a { printf "%-3s %s\n", $5, $8 }'
<taaperotassu> but there is no output when I try those keys.. other keys has normal output
<jluttine> ah, it's under nodePackages, not removed
<taaperotassu> first I was wondering why my i3 config bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec amixer -q set Master 2dB+ unmute etc has no response.
<ylwghst> taaperotassu: thats wrong
<ylwghst> taaperotassu: my media keys are not respodning this way too
<taaperotassu> ylwghst: whats wrong? o
<ylwghst> taaperotassu: just try
<taaperotassu> all of my other keys works but media does not.
<ylwghst> xev -event keyboard
<ylwghst> use only this
<ylwghst> btw
<ylwghst> you could use Acpi to get volume keys work too
<taaperotassu> acpi? how
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<taaperotassu> Well that xev -event keyboard seems like I get respond on media keys.. but not helping on how to use it
<ylwghst> its helping
<ylwghst> just look little bit closer
<ylwghst> there is something like
<ylwghst> (keysym 0x1008ff12, XF86AudioMute)
<ylwghst> 3rd line
<ylwghst> whole line looks like this
<ylwghst> state 0x0, keycode 121 (keysym 0x1008ff12, XF86AudioMute), same_screen YES,
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<ylwghst> but you propably need just this XF86AudioMute
<ylwghst> taaperotassu: this how i use acpid to set up my keys
<taaperotassu> serial 26 synthetic no key and the keys:4
<taaperotassu> 41
<ylwghst> taaperotassu: can you gist whole output?
<ylwghst> or just the block when you press your key
<ylwghst> usualy starts with KeyPress event ...
<ArdaXi[m]> Why do you have that store path hard-coded? I'd say either use ${pkgs.alsa-utils}/amixer or /run/current-system/sw/bin/amixer
<ylwghst> ArdaXi[m]: i ve tried
<ylwghst> it will not expand
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<ArdaXi[m]> It should… either way, linking to that system-path output directly is pretty likely to break if you ever run gc without updating it
<ylwghst> ArdaXi[m]: sure is
<ylwghst> i havent time to manage it yet
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<ylwghst> but i have tried w8 ill show you
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<taaperotassu> keys: 41 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
<taaperotassu> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
<taaperotassu> first line : KeymapNotify event, serial 26, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
<ArdaXi[m]> You don't get a KeyPress event?
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<taaperotassu> those nope
<taaperotassu> dats all I can get
<ArdaXi[m]> If you don't get a KeyPress event something's already catching and handling that keypress
<taaperotassu> okay :P
<ArdaXi[m]> Which makes sense if you've got sound.mediaKeys enabled
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<taaperotassu> so it does get a response but I don't get the response I want.. probably it works but doesnt like do anything to the volume
<taaperotassu> So If I dont have that mediakeys enabled.. it might work?
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<ArdaXi[m]> What happens if you run, say, `amixer -q set Master toggle`?
<ArdaXi[m]> (Might have to run nix-shell -p alsaUtils if it's not in your path)
<ylwghst> ArdaXi[m]: it just expanded
<ylwghst> hm
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<ylwghst> :-)
<taaperotassu> sound becomes mute
<taaperotassu> and then it unmutest after using that command again
<ArdaXi[m]> Well, that's the command that mediaKeys option is running
<ArdaXi[m]> So either actkbd is broken or something else is handling them
<taaperotassu> oh :D I thought mediakeys meant those that are those that are in keyboard
<ArdaXi[m]> It does, it listens for those keypresses and then runs that command
<disasm> keret: can you gist udevadm info -a /sys/bus/hid/devices/<your device id>
<taaperotassu> I did install now the actkbd by adding it into my configuration.nix and it did install it.. but still not doing anything
<taaperotassu> even after reboot
<ArdaXi[m]> `sound.mediaKeys.enable` already installs actkbd and configures it to react to media keys
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<ylwghst> taaperotassu: you can try acpid
<ylwghst> if you would like give it try just remove sound.mediaKeys.enable from configuration nix
<ylwghst> this way you can handle brighntess keys to
<ylwghst> o
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<ylwghst> or any other event like lid close/open, critical battery level etc.
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<ylwghst> then nix-rebuild switch
<ylwghst> services.enable.acpid = { enable = true; }; will build Acpid daemon for you
<ylwghst> ill be back in a while
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<ahstro> Hey, so I just decided to give NixOS a go, and I'm already stuck, 6 steps into the manual. Not quite sure how to configure my wireless networking. The manual mentions networkmanager, but I can't seem to use it nor nmcli. Any tips?
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<tilpner> Do you have the graphical ISO?
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<gchristensen> ahstro: http://grahamc.com/blog/nixos-on-dell-9560#wifi this might help :)
<ahstro> I do not. Sorry, should've mentioned that. I just found wpa_supplicant is installed, so I'm getting somewhere
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<ylwghst> Can I build kernel with mmiotrace module?
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<ahstro> The manual is super vague on partitioning. Do I just need a single bootable ext4 partition if I'm using BIOS?
<sphalerite> ylwghst: yes that should be possible
<ylwghst> sphalerite: how i should do it?
<sphalerite> ylwghst: build linux.override { extraConfig = "..."; } with the appropriate cinfig option
<FRidh> oh joy, a circular dependency between two python packages
<sphalerite> Check the logs, gchristensen linked a snippet where he does it earlier today
<sphalerite> ahstro: yep that should do it
<ahstro> sphalerite: great, thanks!
<ylwghst> sphalerite: i see forgout about it
<ylwghst> i had bookmarked it somewhere
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<sphalerite> ylwghst: I'd just link you but I'm on my phone :p
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<clever> ahstro: a few questions that affect the partitioning answer
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<clever> ahstro: efi vs legacy?, mbr vs gpt?, what rootfs type?, luks?
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<sphalerite> clever: ahstro said ext4 and bios
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<clever> that could be mbr partitioning or legacy booting
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<ylwghst> sphalerite: i found thx!
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<bgamari> Sonarpulse, do you think we should perhaps BUILD_FOR_CC to the default configure options?\
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<ylwghst> sphalerite: last 5 days i've only configured N configured and gets things work and maked WM I use usable with minimum sleep every day and my eyes are like ( O ) ( O )
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<ylwghst> but the fun begins now....
<ylwghst> after years on osx :) i definetely can switch
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<MichaelRaskin> I wonder if anyone will protest a change to makeInitrd in Nixpkgs that is only useful for generating initramfs with an approach being the opposite of NixOS.
<MichaelRaskin> I,e, that change would likely help me to reduce my initramfs size from 118MiB (compressed) to maybe 50MiB relatively easily…
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<Sonarpulse> bgamari: hehe
<Sonarpulse> I had a PR or at least branch for that
<Sonarpulse> I am not sure if autoconf coverts legacy BUILD_CC into CC_FOR_BUILD
<Sonarpulse> (I assume you meant that not BUILD_FOR_CC)
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<bgamari> Sonarpulse, whoops, yes
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<bgamari> hmm
<bgamari> Sonarpulse, alright, well, I guess I can just keep adding them manually
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<Sonarpulse> bgamari: oh!
<bgamari> it's easy enough to grep for them for removal if we decide to do it automatically at some point
<Sonarpulse> if you've been adding them manually
<Sonarpulse> then we do need them
<Sonarpulse> I suppose
<nixer> Has anyone contributed to node2nix? I have a PR I want to submit, but can't figure out how to the run the tests beforehand.
<Sonarpulse> that would be the evidence that autoconf will not convert BUILD_CC to CC_FOR_BUILD
<bgamari> Sonarpulse, it does appear to be necessary, yes
<Sonarpulse> ok
<Sonarpulse> then let's merge it
<Sonarpulse> bgamari: wanna post something there saying it is needed?
<Sonarpulse> / do you think setting BUILD_CC is worth it?
<Sonarpulse> maybe we should *just* set CC_FOR_{BUILD,TARGET}
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<disasm> gchristensen: ooh, just saw grahamcofborg very cool!!!
<gchristensen> :)
<MichaelRaskin> Well, so far it is all tease…
<gchristensen> it is??
<MichaelRaskin> It does builds for those who have clearance.
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<gchristensen> I think that is a reasonable precaution
<gchristensen> I'll be opening it up to more people after it is at least a few days old :P
<disasm> gchristensen: is that using your rabbitmq stuff you setup earlier?
<gchristensen> but its important to be only building things which have been reviewed at least a little bit to not be obviously bad
<gchristensen> disasm: yeah
<gchristensen> it took me 45 min to write the first version of the bot, given the rabbitmq events. witha little creativity, imagine the things we could do
<disasm> gchristensen: wonder if we could do something that adds a tag needs documentation for new functionality without docs :)
<MichaelRaskin> The need for a minimal pre-review is because of load considerations?
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<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 31b2e70 Dmitry Kalinkin: root_numpy: init at 4.7.3
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master a3bc5d6 Dmitry Kalinkin: rootpy: 0.9.0 -> 1.0.1
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master aaebcef Jörg Thalheim: Merge pull request #30780 from veprbl/rootpy_1.0.1...
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<MichaelRaskin> Or you think Nix doesn't have reliable enough sandboxing?
<MichaelRaskin> Hm, my party trick makes sandboxing moot anyway for a deliberate attack.
<disasm> MichaelRaskin: I think things like what if the user adds a package that downloads a 1 TB file and runs the system out of disk :)
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<MichaelRaskin> That's a boring load-type consideration
<MichaelRaskin> Interesting attackers write a clone of fetchurl which is all like fetchurl but also runs a Tor exit node for 15 minutes in parallel with fetching.
<disasm> MichaelRaskin: ooh, that sounds like a cool trick :)
<MichaelRaskin> Rude attackers replace the Tor node with a list of recent Linux exploits and try to rootkit the build machine.
<ylwghst> 22:09 < MichaelRaskin> Or you think Nix doesn't have reliable enough sandboxing?
<ylwghst> 22:10 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, my party trick makes sandboxing moot anyway for a deliberate attack.
<ylwghst> 22:09 < MichaelRaskin> Or you think Nix doesn't have reliable enough sandboxing?
<ylwghst> 22:10 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, my party trick makes sandboxing moot anyway for a deliberate attack.
<ylwghst> 22:09 < MichaelRaskin> Or you think Nix doesn't have reliable enough sandboxing?
<ylwghst> 22:10 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, my party trick makes sandboxing moot anyway for a deliberate attack.
<ylwghst> 22:09 < MichaelRaskin> Or you think Nix doesn't have reliable enough sandboxing?
<ylwghst> 22:10 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, my party trick makes sandboxing moot anyway for a deliberate attack.
<ylwghst> 22:09 < MichaelRaskin> Or you think Nix doesn't have reliable enough sandboxing?
<disasm> ylwghst: stop that
<ylwghst> 22:10 < MichaelRaskin> Hm, my party trick makes sandboxing moot anyway for a deliberate attack.
<MP2E> heh
<ylwghst> sorry
<ylwghst> that wasnt me actually
<disasm> ylwghst: your cat copy/pasting for you? :)
<MichaelRaskin> Cat played with the mouse?
<FRidh> or a fetchurl attacker
<MichaelRaskin> That's what cats are supposed to do, after all.
<ylwghst> sometimes it randomly paste my clipboard
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<disasm> yeah ylwghst go you might want to ps aux|grep tor. If you get any results on your system, it might be MichaelRaskin messing with your irc client
<ylwghst> MichaelRaskin: not cat all but youre true :D
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<ylwghst> right
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<MichaelRaskin> disasm: hey, I don't have build access to random machines on the net!
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<MichaelRaskin> And as for Nixpkgs repository — I haven't committed anything complicated and to central enough packages for a long time,.
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<disasm> MichaelRaskin: just messing :) Are you going to NixCon?
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<gchristensen> MichaelRaskin: exactly, a fixed-output drv have wide permission to do what they want w.r.t. the network, or exfil, etc. that it'd be not good to just build anything
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<ylwghst> MichaelRaskin: youre supposed to be cat :D
<gchristensen> MichaelRaskin: especially with the build distribution model of borg: using community member's machines
<MichaelRaskin> Hm. Maybe that should be run with a separate nix-daemon which sees only the store and /etc/nix/
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<FRidh> like hydra
<gchristensen> oh?
<gchristensen> oh! hydra uses a restricted mode of some sort
<FRidh> exactly
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<MichaelRaskin> Well, it forbids __noChroot, but that's irrelevant. But I guess the build slaves are empty enough so there is nothing to exfiltrate…
<FRidh> do be careful with turning on restricted mode on your own machine...I recall I once had trouble getting rid of it again
<gchristensen> FRidh: can it be turned on per build?
<ylwghst> lol
<ylwghst> iwasnt sure but
<ylwghst> when click my touchpad with three fingers it pastes my clipboard or open new tabs or anoother similar magic
<MichaelRaskin> It is a middle click
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<MichaelRaskin> Yes, middle click pastes.
<ylwghst> i thought ive disabled it
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to python-unstable: https://git.io/vFvAf
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/python-unstable 507c201 Frederik Rietdijk: FIXUP
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<judson> Is there a straighforward way to determine what files contribute to the output of `nix-env -qa` ?
<judson> I'm using Nox, and it seems to consider only the age of its database.
<judson> But the inputs to nix-env -q should be predicatable, right?
<ghostyyy> has anyone here ever tried to run multiple xorg sessions?
<ghostyyy> (in nixos, specifically)
<ghostyyy> i get "no screens found)
<judson> ghostyyy with one of the fake framebuffers, or multiple logins, yes. Not NixOS though.
<judson> Is it an xauth problem?
<ghostyyy> im not sure, isnt xauth for clients connecting to an existing X session?
<MichaelRaskin> I know that on my not-really-NixOS system, it is a good idea to switch to a text console before launching a second Xorg.
<ghostyyy> MichaelRaskin, yeah, thats what im trying, switching to another framebuffer and running startx
<clever> judson: nix-env -q will load the default.nix of every channel, and then eval it to get a set
<MichaelRaskin> startx, on NixOS. Funny.
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<clever> judson: and what that loads, depends on the contents of that default.nix (and by proxy, the all-packages.nix and nearly every file in nixpkgs)
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<gchristensen> ok I have restricted mode turned on for the builds
<ghostyyy> MichaelRaskin, its in the launchx package
<ghostyyy> but the same thing happens with Xorg
<MichaelRaskin> Everything got broken.
<gchristensen> however, can it spelunk the /nix/store for bad things?
<MichaelRaskin> By a systemd update.
<gchristensen> s/bad/secret/
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<MichaelRaskin> gchristensen: restricted mode is irrelevant, because fetchurl-clone.
<MichaelRaskin> Well, might reduce the chance of an unlikely error, but.
<gchristensen> being able to access things on the host is relevant I think?
<MichaelRaskin> gchristensen: check if fixed-output derivations are _actually_ stopped from accessing the host.
<gchristensen> I still won't turn it on for arbitrary users, but knowing where we stand is important
<clever> gchristensen: from what i understand, a "fixed-output" derivation can do whatever network it wants against any machine in the LAN, possibly the private ip of the host
<MichaelRaskin> It also has access to /etc/resolv.conf and probably a bit more.
<gchristensen> makes sense
<clever> gchristensen: and also a declarative hydra project could define /etc as a project input, and get a snapshot of your entire system config
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<gchristensen> yeah
<MichaelRaskin> ghostyyy: I stopped using mainline NixOS precisely after the systemd update that had broken all my attempts to do something like startx.
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<ghostyyy> oh dear
<MichaelRaskin> xlaunch worked until systemd managed to break too many things.
<MichaelRaskin> I.e. a root-started Xorg started getting EPERM
<gchristensen> disasm: "wonder if we could do something that adds a tag needs documentation for new functionality without docs :)" want to try? I'll set you up with creds to receive events.
<ghostyyy> i think that might be my problem
<clever> MichaelRaskin: i would just patch the xorg modules in nixos to be able to run 2 at once
<ghostyyy> did you ever fix it?
<clever> MichaelRaskin: that has been on my todo list
<ghostyyy> clever, do you have any tips for doing that?
<ghostyyy> i have absolutely no idea how systemd and xorg interact
<MichaelRaskin> clever: yeah, but then there are details of how flexible I want all that to be. And how much pain would be to support all that flexibility.
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<MichaelRaskin> Because I have used multiple X with different configs, for example.
<clever> this is where the display-manager service gets defined
<clever> you need to modify it to be able to define several, and then allow some differences between the configs
<MichaelRaskin> (given that I don't want display manager…)
<clever> at a minimum, one on :0 and one on :1
<ghostyyy> clever, ah i see!
<ghostyyy> thank you very much
<clever> ghostyyy: there is a cfg.display to change what display it uses
<clever> ghostyyy: but some things like line 623 are hard-coded to expect 0
<clever> and dealing with a list of config sets is a bit tricky
<ghostyyy> i see
<judson> clever channel default.nix-es could refer to anything on the filesystem though, I suppose. Seems reasonable to consider only files within the channels themselves, though?
<judson> And e.g. an overlays directory?
<clever> judson: config.nix and env vars also come into play
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<prooftechnique> So, I've got a section in my config that looks like this: http://lpaste.net/8998283748743053312
<prooftechnique> What I mean to do is prevent the test suite from running on the three packages listed there
<mpickering> What's the usual way to fix a derivation which directly calls "gcc" and so fails on osx?
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<prooftechnique> But for whatever reason they still run and this breaks the build. Am I doing this wrong?
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<rmrfroot> krita segfaults on nixos 17.09 with xmonad, something tells me it has to do with missing kde/qt stuff, anyone know if there are any standing issues regarding running kde/qt applications in non-kde environment? here's the last lines of gdb output: http://lpaste.net/4871722438246793216
<prooftechnique> mpickering: I have gcc installed with Nix on OS X. Is it directly calling a specific path and causing a failure?
<prooftechnique> (single-user install, latest Nix, using nix-darwin)
<mpickering> no the problem is that "gcc is not found"
<mpickering> I changed it to clang and it works
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<LnL> mpickering: it should be $CC or cc that works on all platforms
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<ahstro> nixos-install just failed, complaining about grub-install, saying "File system `ext2` doesn't support embedding". I never created a ext2 file system, I used ext4 as the manual said
<clever> ahstro: you must set the grub device to the root (sda) not the partition (sda1)
<judson> I sorta wish that all I did was Nix, because every time I go to touch e.g. nix-shell I forget how to make it do the thing I want.
<judson> In this case, I'm just trying to nix-shell with a default.nix, but I'm getting "stuff is broken" errors
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFvjP
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9211249 taku0: flashplayer: 27.0.0.170 -> 27.0.0.183
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 5c0ebf5 Franz Pletz: Merge pull request #30793 from taku0/flashplayer-27.0.0.183...
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<judson> <nixpkgs> wants me to set allowBroken for Agda, and ~/nixpkgs: "this pseudo-package is not the only part of Nixpkgs that fails to evaluate"
<ahstro> Thanks clever!
<clever> judson: what command did you run to cause that error?
<judson> nix-shell '<nixpkgs>' --command (which fish)
<judson> But nix-shell '<nixpkgs>' does just as well
<clever> judson: that told it to make a shell that has every single package in all of nixpkgs
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] mpickering opened pull request #30805: Fix idrisPackages.with-packages (master...idris-with-packages) https://git.io/vFvjh
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<judson> nix-shell '<nixpkgs>' ./default.nix
<judson> Likewise.
<clever> judson: you better have 80+ gig of free space, it will take a while to download the universe :P
<judson> :)
<clever> judson: you cant give it 2 files at once
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFfeJ
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master c564e54 Milan Svoboda: kitty: init at 0.4.2 (#30687)...
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<clever> judson: it only accepts a single file
<judson> If I give it just default.nix, it complains about auto-calling a function
<mpickering> Thanks LnL
<clever> judson: then you need to load that default.nix with callPackage
<clever> judson: nix-shell -E 'with import <nixpkgs> {}; callPackage ./default.nix {}
<clever> '
<judson> Right.
<judson> That's almost always what I mean to do, but I keep coming back here to be reminded of the incantation.
<judson> :/
<sphalerite> Is there an easy way to get a kernel config that is sufficient for some given hardware and doesn't have too much extra baggage? It's been building modules I will never need for several hours now
<clever> judson: you can also write your files such that they dont need this
<clever> judson: replace the function args on line 1 with just
<clever> judson: with import <nixpkgs> {};
<clever> sphalerite: the standard way is to just "make menuconfig" and customize it as you feel, but nixos doesnt accept a .config file
<judson> Right. ATM I'm trying to iterate out a new package, though.
<disasm> gchristensen: sure, maybe you can show me your code for what you got going with your bot this weekend :)
<clever> judson: you can also make a second nix file, with the contents of the -E string
<clever> judson: and then point nix-shell at that second file
<sphalerite> clever: exactly, plus I don't know what I actually need
<clever> sphalerite: an imperatively made kernel might be better, so you can quickly rebuild after each iteration
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<sphalerite> So tar xf $(nixpkgs linux.src) ; cd linux* ; nix-shell '<nixpkgs>' -A linux
<sphalerite> Then make?
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<sphalerite> Well make config-stuff
<clever> sphalerite: and anoyingly, you need to add curses to a certain env variable for menuconfig to build
<clever> its mia from the linux nix-shell
<sphalerite> The thing is though, again, that I don't know what stuff I actually need :/
<clever> sphalerite: does lspci work on the chromebook?
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<sphalerite> Nope
<clever> sphalerite: lsmod?
<sphalerite> Heh. It even ships with lspci. But the shipped one doesn't work either
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<sphalerite> Yes but most of the functionality isn't in modules
<clever> the cpu likely lacks a pci bus
<clever> one sec
<clever> sphalerite: "ls -l /sys/module/" includes "modules" that have been linked in at compile time
<clever> sphalerite: youll need to review that, and decide what you want to keep
<clever> sphalerite: oh, is there a /proc/config.gz on the stock kernel?
<sphalerite> Sweet
<sphalerite> Nope there isn't. Tried that earlier :(
<clever> ive also done kernel module dev, so i am familiar with all of the kernel internals
<clever> and ive had the fun of reading the source for at least 2 or 3 of my network drivers
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<judson> Okay, hoping this is a noob issue and someone just recognizes it:
<judson> c/_cffi_backend.c:15:17: fatal error: ffi.h: No such file or directory
<judson> I've got libffi in the shell buildInputs already.
<clever> judson: try switching to a --pure shell, does that make any difference?
<judson> Errors about UTF-8 now. I did need to add pypi2nix as a nativeBuildInput to get that far, so let me try it without --pure...
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<rmrfroot> what is the hash used for nix-prefetch-url when you only supply an url?
<sphalerite> clever: do you know an easy way to map module names to config option names?
<judson> Boo: pypi2nix uses -E flags to specify non-python deps, and doesn't seem to use e.g. NIX_LDFLAGS so setting up a "host" default.nix was a red herring
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<clever> sphalerite: you need to grep the makefiles
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<clever> sphalerite: finding an example
<clever> c2d ~ # find /usr/src/linux-3.8.13-gentoo/ -name 'Makefile' | xargs grep e1000e
<clever> /usr/src/linux-3.8.13-gentoo/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/Makefile:e1000e-objs := 82571.o ich8lan.o 80003es2lan.o \
<clever> sphalerite: e1000e is an object, made up of those files
<clever> /usr/src/linux-3.8.13-gentoo/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/Makefile:obj-$(CONFIG_E1000E) += e1000e.o
<clever> sphalerite: and is related to this config option
<clever> sphalerite: most of the time, the pattern is that simple, but not always
<sphalerite> Right
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<rmrfroot> regarding what i wrote earlier about krita: i tried running krita using plasma5 as DE and then the segfault didn't happen. i guess there's some dependency missing when you use xmonad as VM...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] puffnfresh opened pull request #30806: uvcdynctrl: init at 0.2 (master...package/uvcdynctrl) https://git.io/vFfk7
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<judson> Having gotten a pypi2nix requirements.nix, what's the best way to say "and this one package is the thing I'm trying to install"?
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<judson> I can see how to do build inputs, but something in default.nix that delivers one of the packages as the expression output...
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<judson> ...oh, obviously
<judson> "If you have a function that receives a set, how do you return an item from the set?"
<bgamari> Sonarpulse, I'm yet again confused about rpaths
<bgamari> the ld wrapper doesn't appear to look for transitive dependencies of shared objects
<bgamari> it only looks for libraries actually mentioned by a -l flag
<bgamari> so if I have libxml2 which depends upon libz and I'm compiling with -lxml2, how does libz's library path end up in rpath?
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<Sonarpulse> bgamari about to head to haskell meetup
<Sonarpulse> but loook at cross adapter
<Sonarpulse> buildInputs all become propagated
<Sonarpulse> but not other runtime inputs!
<bgamari> ahh, right
<Sonarpulse> so there's a bug!
<bgamari> ahh
<Sonarpulse> this weekend is nixcon
<Sonarpulse> I hope to kind of push a bunch of this stuff through then
<bgamari> Sonarpulse, not other runtime inputs?
<Sonarpulse> depsHostHost
<bgamari> what other kinds of runtime inputs?
<Sonarpulse> which are like never made by hand
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<Sonarpulse> but can come from propagatedDepsTargetTarget
<Sonarpulse> g2g
<hyper_ch> so many nixer in one place... won't that make the universe implode?
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<rycee> For anybody interested in home manager deploys from system configs: I've improved the branch with the NixOS module somewhat today. It's now able to deploy my (simplified) user environments for my nixops hosts and my declarative containers. Still experimental with hacks here and there but Works For Me™. If you want to try it out you can put `(import (builtins.fetchTarball
<rycee> https://github.com/rycee/home-manager/archive/nixos-module.tar.gz) {}).nixos` in your system (or container) `imports`. No need for a prior installation of Home Manager.
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFfGt
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 1e3995d Joerg Thalheim: svgcleaner: add correct license
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<Mic92> convergence of home-manager and nixos
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] andir opened pull request #30808: luajit: do not override INSTALL_INC (master...fix-luajit-include-directory) https://git.io/vFfGS
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<ekleog> \o/
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<gchristensen> Mic92: and hopefully, nix-darwin
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<schoppenhauer> hi. does anyone else have the problem that palemoon segfaults?
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFfC3
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 5114ca0 Franz Pletz: unifi: 5.6.18 -> 5.6.19
<NixOS_GitHub> nixpkgs/master 9d74f33 Franz Pletz: mupdf: add patch to fix multiple CVEs...
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<NixOS_GitHub> [nixpkgs] andir opened pull request #30809: dnstracer: fix build on darwin (master...dnstracer-darwin) https://git.io/vFfW3
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