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<alp>
sophiag, you might want to give a shot at pkgs.emacsMacport
<sophiag>
yeah, that's what i figured. tbh i just gave up and installed my emacs pkgs by hand :(
<sophiag>
i'm frankly impressed by the level of rudeness and misogyny in the #emacs channel. it's like a nerd stereotype. i never get that over here :)
<alp>
yeah worst case you could use something like "use-package" in your emacs config to have emacs itself install your favorite packages if they're not installed yet.
<sophiag>
yeah, i know. but i put off setting up use-package for years and then found nix :p
<alp>
I was using that until I started using 'emacsWithPackages' =)
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<sophiag>
yeah, nix takes the cake. but apparently darwin is a bit lacking. i mean, i knew that from the nixpkgs repo...only learned firsthand today
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<nh2>
hyper_webirc: yeah, fiber7 ... I think tomorrow I'll call init7 and ask them how much the 10gbit line would cost. I don't need it yet, but I'd really like to know
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] NeQuissimus pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdBft
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 843a75d Tim Steinbach: keybase-gui: 1.0.25 -> 1.0.33
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 6581ad8 Tim Steinbach: keybase: 1.0.30 -> 1.0.33
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 8c207e9 Tim Steinbach: kbfs: 20170922.f76290 -> 20171004.40555d
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<fearlessKim[m]>
pingveno: I've had some trouble with end of lines too after installing nixUnstable. Have you done that ? I had to rollback to fix it
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<kkini>
When building a single derivation with enableParallelBuilding on a multi-user nix installation, only one of the nix builder user accounts is used, right?
<kkini>
(that seems like the obvious thing to do, but just thought I'd ask)
<fearlessKim[m]>
anyone knows of a benchmark between the nix-user based solutions ? like nixup vs nix-home vs nix-homemanager etc. while reading through the PR, I discovered the users.users.myUser.packages solution which is essentially what I was looking for but as I sync my conf between 3 pcs, such a comparison might still be of interest
<pingveno>
fearlessKim[m]: The EOF problem was with the 17.09 release.
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<pie_>
i always forget what i have to do for this
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<pie_>
so i did nix-shell -p openssl
<pie_>
and then ran rstudio
<pie_>
and now im trying to install an r package that uses openssl, but its not finding openssl in the configure phase
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<fearlessKim[m]>
it's annoying how some packages attributes use "-" while others use "_"; it should be more consistent
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<kkini>
pie_: are you on nixos or running nix on a different system?
<pie_>
nixos
<kkini>
not sure then... I poked around a bit and found I needed to do nix-shell -p pkgconfig before pkg-config would find openssl inside the nix-shell (otherwise I was getting my external system's /usr/bin/pkg-config)
<kkini>
but on nixos such a mixup couldn't happen, I guess
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<gandreani>
Hello folks! Does anyone know if apache bench is in nixpkgs? I tried ab or apache-utils or httpd-utils
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<gandreani>
Nvm I'll just send this to a debian server to test
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<gandreani>
Ah nvm again! I found it incase anyone was interested. It was inside the apache-httpd package all along. Tricky
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<iqubic>
If I add LibreOffice to systemPackages, do I also need to add hunspell? Or is hunspell a dependency of LibreOffic already.
<iqubic>
Trying to make spell check work properly.
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<fusion809>
Hey does the topic of this channel cover using Nix on non-NixOS systems? As I've got a question about its use on Arch Linux
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<iqubic>
fusion809: This is the place to ask. Go ahead.
<fusion809>
Thanks, I installed version 1.11.15 (oddly there's a bug where previous versions in the 1.11.x series won't build atm) and when I run nix-channel --update I get: https://paste2.org/FI45650K. I've added myself to the nixbld group (after creating it with groupadd) and rebooted yet I still get this error.
<hyper_webirc>
nh2: they offer 10gbit? I got just 1gbit for my home and my office :)
<hyper_webirc>
nh2: I find it hard to saturate 1gbit :)
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<fearlessKim[m]>
home-manager news i cool, notifications for newly supported programs o/
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<iqubic>
fusion809: try running that command as root
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<hyper_webirc>
seems home manager has taken off in #nixos recently:)
<fearlessKim[m]>
nix-home doesn't seem to bring much compared to git+dotfiles and nixup is just a PR (that doesn't merge with master). The only left choice looks to be home-manager
<hyper_webirc>
no idea what home-manager even does :)
<iqubic>
I want to try using home-manager.
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<otwieracz>
Like year or two years ago I've tried nixos – and it always ended like that I needed to keep separate copy of nixpkgs repo in order to add new things without waiting for them to be merged into upstream. And on desktop it was completetly impoosible to use some stable release - because of this repo issue.
<otwieracz>
I remember idea of some „nix-channels”.
<otwieracz>
But there was something wrong about it and in result it was not used at all.
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<otwieracz>
Does it changed? Is this possible to have some overlays, or something?
<srhb>
otwieracz: You can add overlays (those are the exact names)
<srhb>
That said, you've always been able to override nixpkgs, it's just slightly simpler now.
<srhb>
And yes, I feel that need as well (and I love that it's so easy)
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<fusion809>
Hey does nix build everything from source? Or does it do both source and binary installs? Mostly just curious.
<fearlessKim[m]>
otwieracz: many people clone the nixpkgs repository and use packages from that
<fearlessKim[m]>
fusion809: depends on your revision. If you use basic channels, there is a binary cache that you can download from
<fusion809>
Ah thanks.
<fusion809>
Is there a default behaviour? Like will Nix, if using the channel for the latest stable release 17.09, by default build from source or it will it instead install from the binary cache if available? Or do you have to configure it to use the binary cache?
<adisbladis>
fusion809: Then you are on the 17.09 release channel. Almost all things will be fetched from binary cache
<fusion809>
Ah, thanks. Just wanted to get an idea whether it's closer to Portage or pacman in that sense.
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<otwieracz>
fearlessKim[m]: Previously I had to work with it like that. I had my own fork of nixpkgs where I added my own stuff and periodically I've rebased it to upstream.
<otwieracz>
fearlessKim[m]: However this ended up being terribly bleeding edge.
<isHavvy>
You can use overlays now instead of forking everything.
<fusion809>
Oh so there's a bleeding-edge channel for Nix available? Must admit NixOS' repositories are too conservative to me, says that guy running Arch Linux as his primary OS atm :P.
<fearlessKim[m]>
otwieracz: is that a bad thing ? overlays keep not upstreamable changes while my nixpkgs fork contains my or other patches waiting to be merged. It's usually merged quickly so overall it's quite an ok workflow
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<otwieracz>
OK, and another question. How about nixops? I've got bunch of ubuntu servers, mailservers, etc. I have very little time to maintain those. It *seemes* like it will be good solution to slowly migrate to nixos & nixops. I really like being able to quickly update OS while being able to revert if things go wrong and I don't have few hour to debug.
<otwieracz>
The „problem” is that I'll probably have to extend NixOps to support SmartOS (this should be doable).
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bjornfor pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vdBYk
<otwieracz>
But how's you general feeling? Is NixOS ready for „everyday use”? Let's say I am going with stable release - are security patches backported quickly?
<fearlessKim[m]>
otwieracz: I don't care about security much but I noticed a mailing list dedicated to security
<etu>
fusion809: I'm on nixos-unstable, for packages to get in there the entire tree need to finish a bunch of tests and such. But there's also nix-unstable which has less tests. Or just plain "master". With nixos-unstable I experience that most things are in the binary cache anyways.
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<fearlessKim[m]>
as nixos targets server, I guess security is addressed ok
<fearlessKim[m]>
otwieracz: I am trying to use nixops. It is a bit buggy so you might have to patch but the whole concept looks sexy so it remains my choice
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<otwieracz>
What kind of bugs you're talking about?
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<Moredread>
otwieracz: I've been running nixos as my main desktop OS since may and I'm very happy as an ex-arch user. I'm in the process of migrating my server(s) to nixos, e.g. as I had massiv issues with keeping my gitlab install uptodate. With nixos I'm much more comfortable, to try a complex setup again, as I have yet to encounter an issue where something really broke, while I constantly had to tweak my ansible/docker
<Moredread>
deployment setup
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<Moredread>
The ability to update packages locally is so great, with e.g. debian I constantly had issues after a while with manually updated, left over packages
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<nixy>
NixOS is incredibly pleasant for working with servers
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<Moredread>
the security issues I noticed where quickly fixed, but I'm not sure if there is an dedicated effort to keep up to date with recent vulnarability reports
<fusion809>
Guessing no one has the foggiest how I would get past my nix-channel --update error?
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<Moredread>
The only reason why I wouldn't fully recommend nixos to a linux beginner, or someone who doesn't want to tinker with the distro internals, is that the documentation is not as detailed as e.g. arch (with the wiki), and some modules don't run out of the box and need reading the actual source to understand how they work (I'm looking at you, tinc).
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<nixy>
Also, if you want to develop/deploy custom applications you will probably end up having to make some packages
<nixy>
I wouldn't recommend it if you aren't comfortable making packages in nix for any software you might need
<Moredread>
nixy: yes, also downloading a tarball, just to try something out will not work as on other distros
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<Moredread>
on the other hand, nixos is the first distro where I have fun packaging software, and actually bringing them upstream
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<JosW>
That said
<JosW>
while searching for howto upgrade Nixos (still learning:) ) if found a nice review on Linode
<hyper_ch>
clever: well, encrypted root zfs is running... for some reason I got another 40gb free space... I guess that was the default root-reservation from ext4.... only syncthing isn't running for some reason
<nixy>
I also wrote a guide for running it on Linode, I have some updates to make since 17.09 came out but still
<JosW>
althoug "This relatively new Linux" seems a bit far fetched
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, relatively to Fedora and Debian — new…
<JosW>
yep
<MichaelRaskin>
If you count since the first quasi-stable release — NixOS is new relative to most well-known distros, I think.
<Moredread>
older than ubuntu XD
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<MichaelRaskin>
Erm, how do you count?
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<Moredread>
date in wikipedia XD
<MichaelRaskin>
I don't know who decided that «the start of research project» is a good date for «initial release» in Wikipedia.
<MichaelRaskin>
Let's just say GRUB was added in 2005 to Nixpkgs repo
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<MichaelRaskin>
Moredread: In November 2006 the defining feature of NixOS as _OS_, GRUB menu with all available configuratoins got implemented. I would count that as NixOS initial release.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] orivej pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdBs6
<adisbladis>
sphalerite: I was looking for something suitable for my prompt to indicate I'm in a nix-shell
<adisbladis>
So sadly not :/
<sphalerite>
Aah
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<sphalerite>
🐌? :D
<adisbladis>
But might be useful for other stuff :)
<sphalerite>
Or you could install font-linux and use u+f119
<sphalerite>
U+f113*
<MichaelRaskin>
Just move the symbol to private use area of another font using fontforge
<sphalerite>
Not sure editing a font is necessary
<MichaelRaskin>
Or use any multi-font terminal and assign private-use area to font-linux
<sphalerite>
Can't it just be done with fontconfig?
<MichaelRaskin>
No idea. I fight with fontconfig after every freetype update to get back non-anti-aliased non-mangled fonts, so I try not to test my luck too much.
<fearlessKim[m]>
jophish thx the goal was to share a list of packages between config.nix and home-manager. like having a file with only my dev package "[ neovim gdb ...] " maybe I could use sthg like loadFromJson
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<sphalerite>
fearlessKim: just import should work fine.
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<sphalerite>
Just keep in mind that it'll create a new scope so you can't use bindings from the calling expression file unless you make it a function and pass the appropriate stuff in
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<fearlessKim[m]>
arf I retried and it works fine true :§ sry
<fusion809>
Hey would it be OK (not likely to severely tick off the devs of Nix) for me to file an issue (at https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues) about my issues running Nix on Arch Linux?
<fusion809>
The supplemental groups issue
<jophish>
fusion809: sounds completely appropriate to me
<MichaelRaskin>
Nix is supposed to be usable on multiple other Linux distros (and when stars are right, in BSDs)
<sphalerite>
fusion809: you said you added yourself to nixbld?
<sphalerite>
You shouldn't ever do that
<hyper_ch>
hi sphalerite
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<fusion809>
I did. What should I do instead?
<sphalerite>
It's for the users that perform the builds, not the ones that request builds, and will result in all your processes getting killed if you're running the daemon and try to build something
<fusion809>
So rm myself from the group and the issue might be resolved?
<sphalerite>
Not sure. How did you set nix up?
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<sphalerite>
Did you just use the install script from the website? If so, what's the exact issue you're having with using it?
<fusion809>
Installed it with pacman from the Arch User Repository. Just gave your suggestion a go and now I'm getting, "error: the build users group ‘nixbld’ has no members"
<fusion809>
(your suggestion to rm me from nixbld)
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, nixbld group should have some members
<fusion809>
Like? I've only got two users, one if you exclude root
<MichaelRaskin>
Usually with names nixbld1…nixbld7…
<MichaelRaskin>
(these are new users not used for anything else)
<MichaelRaskin>
Don't you even have users like «nobody» for running various services?
<sphalerite>
MichaelRaskin: only if you're running a daemon
<sphalerite>
Isn't the standard setup for linuxes still single-user?
<MichaelRaskin>
I can only hope that not anymore.
<sphalerite>
I think it still is
<sphalerite>
But since fusion809 didn't use the install script I don't really know
<sphalerite>
I'd have to have a look at the AUR package, I can't do that just now but I'll see what I can find out in half an hour or so. fusion809 if you just want to get nix working asap, use the install script from the website instead, but I'll look into what I can find out about the package as well. Could you link it?
<fusion809>
That is bizarre I just created three nixbld users (nixbld1, nixbld2, nixbld3) and still nix-channel --update is giving that 'error: the build users group ‘nixbld’ has no members'
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<MichaelRaskin>
Did you add them into nixbld group as their _auxillary_ group (i.e. via /etc/group)?
<fusion809>
I actually just tried the installer script and still this still didn't resolve.
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<fusion809>
I used useradd -g nixbld nixbld1 to create it
<fusion809>
Guessing that means no?
<MichaelRaskin>
I think the installer script skips the user creation if nixbld group exists
<MichaelRaskin>
I think you should have used -G
<MichaelRaskin>
or both -g nixbld -G nixbld just for lulz and to be sure.
<fusion809>
I'll be ....ed you were right MichaelRaskin! Thanks a million.
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<MichaelRaskin>
Well, everyone actually agrees that this thing about requiring -G is somewhat counterintuitive and annoying, it is just a bit simpler to use from the Nix side…
<sphalerite>
Well with nixos it doesn't matter because is already set up for you
<MichaelRaskin>
I think install script on non-NixOS Linux also does it correctly
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<MichaelRaskin>
But if there is a distro package (like in AUR) that supports both single-user and multi-user mode, then you need to read the manual to find out what is going on.
<MichaelRaskin>
(or ask on IRC…)
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<sphalerite>
I don't know what the guidelines for arch packages are but as a Debian package I think that behavior would be wrong
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<MichaelRaskin>
A Debian package would need to first get an ACK for non-FHS-friendly /nix/ directory… Instead of /opt/nix/ or something.
<fusion809>
Is there a search function for nix so I can search for packages by strings? I ran nix-env --help | grep search to see if there's any search functions but I didn't see anything that was reminiscent of a search function. I also searched https://nixos.org/nix/manual/ for search but everything seemed to refer to search paths and other things not relevant to what I'm interested in.
<hyper_ch>
fusion809: by stirngs?
<fusion809>
Yeah
<fusion809>
Like nix <SEARCH func> vim
<fusion809>
to look for a vim package
<hyper_ch>
install "nox"
<hyper_ch>
nox vim
<fusion809>
Thanks.
<hyper_ch>
it will allow you to directly install it into your user env
<hyper_ch>
(which I don't use though... I do everything per configuration.nix)
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<fusion809>
Hmm, well it gives you a long list but I wanted something I could actually query. But I suppose there isn't something like that for nox? Besides, of course, searching the GitHub repos
<graperoot>
can't I get wine64 with nixos ?
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<manveru>
fusion809: there is `nix search` in nixUnstable
<fusion809>
It's a separate package?
<manveru>
nix.package = pkgs.nixUnstable
<MichaelRaskin>
nix-env -qa '*'
<MichaelRaskin>
This is available since forever
<hyper_ch>
fusion809: nox xx > /tmp/results
<MichaelRaskin>
Medium-slow, lists [almost] all the packages
<fusion809>
Thanks. nix-env -qa seems like what I'm looking for.
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<graperoot>
thanks !
<avn>
graperoot: or even wine64, if you not needed 32bit part
<avn>
be careful, it broken now on master by samba3 security assertion
<avn>
(I push fix soon)
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<avn>
I see staging tagged today, so I preparing update right now
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vdBaD
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 583b8c1 Vladimír Čunát: perlPackages.TAPParserSourceHandlerpgTAP: fix typo in sha256
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] phi-gamma opened pull request #30122: llvm: download source over https (master...llvm-https) https://git.io/vdBVe
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vdBVB
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 623df97 Vladimír Čunát: pythonPackages.devpi-common: fix meta evaluation...
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/vdBVu
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging 0be2928 Vladimír Čunát: Merge branch 'master' into staging...
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<rauno>
Hi
<rauno>
Any idea why pypi2nix fails to build correctly postgresql ? RuntimeError: initdb failed: b'initdb: file "/run/current-system/sw/share/postgres.bki" does not exist
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<felix___>
Hi, I'm quite new to nixos. I installed it on my Raspberry Pi 3 and my Desktop. Is there a simple way to set up a nextcloud server? I only found this PR https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/19703, but I'm unsure what to do with it. Could someone please point me in the right direction?
<hyper_ch>
you probably don't want sqlite as db for netcloud
<hyper_ch>
you could - of course - just install apache2/nginx/lighttpd with php and then pull the nextcloud php sources and set the rest up yourself
<hyper_ch>
using mariadb
<felix___>
I thought I could avoid the manual setup with nixos
<ertes-w>
i haven't quite understood the point of <nixpkgs/nixos/modules/installer/scan/detected.nix> and <nixpkgs/nixos/modules/installer/scan/not-detected.nix>… do they actually make a difference in terms of system configuration, or are they diagnostics? i seem to be blind to their effect
<hyper_ch>
well, that expression from björn seems to work but uses sqlite as far as I could tell
<hyper_ch>
or maybe not
<felix___>
What are the downsides of sqlite?
<felix___>
performance?
<hyper_ch>
yes
<hyper_ch>
and no concurrent access
<ertes-w>
no
<hyper_ch>
with many, many files it will hit performance badly
<ertes-w>
sqlite is most likely faster with many access patterns… it depends on other factors
<felix___>
Ok, this will just be a nextcloud instance for myself, so I don't care so much about peak performance
<felix___>
I just don't want the setup-mess I had with other operation systems
<felix___>
Ok, how exactly can I integrate the PR in my configuration.nix?
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<avn>
hyper_ch: also no way other than reinstall, if sqlite db was damadged
<ertes-w>
felix___: not answering your question, but if this is only about sharing files, syncthing is quite a nice *distributed* solution
<hyper_ch>
that's what backups are for :)
<felix___>
I'm using syncthing already, but the lack of a good selective-sync and public file sharing links still pulls my back to nextcloud. I hope this will change in the future
<ertes-w>
hyper_ch: instead of giving you source code or a statically linked binary i give you an application container, and i have a lot of confidence that you will get it to work quickly and easily
<hyper_ch>
you don't know me - it seems... :)
<ertes-w>
hyper_ch: i don't need to, because it's the same command for you as for everybody else i give it to =)
<hyper_ch>
but I'm really good at breaking things that are unbreakable
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 1 new commit to release-17.09: https://git.io/vdB6r
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.09 c2a4a01 Jan Tojnar: gnome3.gnome_control_center: fix thumbnailers path...
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<ertes-w>
hyper_ch: well, you could tamper with the image or break your docker/LXC installation, of course… but then i can tell you that your setup is broken, because "your image doesn't work" is about as plausible as "i didn't receive your e-mail" =)
<MichaelRaskin>
hyper_ch: have you secretely implemented syscall number randomisation?
<hyper_ch>
MichaelRaskin: you make it sound like that's a bad thing to do
<hyper_ch>
randomizing stuff is good...
<MichaelRaskin>
It's a _hard_ thing to do well.
<ertes-w>
hyper_ch: in short: it's a deployment strategy, and also a security strategy to some extent
<MichaelRaskin>
But once someone actually beats it into working, it will be quite a nice defense
<MichaelRaskin>
Of course, it will break docker, but that's good for security anyway, because unfixable artifacts.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] grahamc pushed 1 new commit to release-17.09: https://git.io/vdB6F
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.09 9c9aaaf Jan Tojnar: librsvg: fix thumbnailer path...
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<ertes-w>
not only do i have high confidence that my image will work on your system, but you have high confidence that a bug in my image won't kill your other applications or the host
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, on #nixos this doesn't sound as convincing.
<MichaelRaskin>
I mean, application build inside Nix will install it without messing the host.
<ertes-w>
MichaelRaskin: this is about run-time, not installation
<ertes-w>
also please don't break docker… i need it ;)
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, if your service is not yet widely used, it gets started under a unique UID. That does limit the damage quite nicely.
<ertes-w>
i'm using nix with docker
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<felix___>
Amazing that this discussion just came up, because I mentioned docker in a nixos channel :)
<felix___>
Still I have the question of how to use the PR. Can I integrate it into my configuration.nix somehow?
<MichaelRaskin>
Is it time for true flame? Like, Docker is like CSS3 in that workflows that require it are actually the reason for the problems?
<ertes-w>
MichaelRaskin: which problems?
<MichaelRaskin>
felix___: do you run a system based on git checkouts or channels
<felix___>
MichaelRaskin: I'd prefer channels, but currently I can only build syncthing based on a git checkout
<felix___>
With a git checkout I lose automatic updates, correct?
<ertes-w>
note: i'm not really much of a fan of docker, but i'm not aware of any better solutions either… a nix-specific solution would be ideal
<MichaelRaskin>
felix___: what are automatic updates?
<MichaelRaskin>
They are implementable with git checkouts, but slightly more risky, so probably not implemented.
<MichaelRaskin>
Right, channel-based because challes require at least some tests to pass
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<hyper_ch>
nh2: well, I have only a small office and not in IT related industry... so 1gbit is plenty enough
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<hyper_ch>
only get about 100mbit through openvpn though
<MichaelRaskin>
ertes-w: well, it is based on software which assumes periodic releases and upgrades, and at the same time the images are hard to upgrade yourself.
<MichaelRaskin>
felix___: you can download the main file of the PR and require it in your configuration as a module
<MichaelRaskin>
UIDs… well, UID/GID will have to be added manually.
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<ertes-w>
MichaelRaskin: yes, i agree… that's why i use docker with nix instead of docker's own "layer" model
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<felix___>
MichaelRaskin: manually where?
<MichaelRaskin>
In your configuration you have all the entries like environment.systemPackages = […];
<nh2>
hyper_ch: ah, do you know why openvpn is so slow? Is it on 100% CPU when you're testing with iperf3? If yes, you could try `tinc` (I've got gigabit speeds over it with no problems in the data center), or eventually, WireGuard -- both are in nixpkgs
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<hyper_ch>
nh2: can't use tinc or wireguard with sip hardphones
<hyper_ch>
and it's the cpu
<hyper_ch>
from client -> server I get around 680Mbps
<hyper_ch>
from client -> server -> client it drops to about 100Mbps
<nh2>
hyper_ch: how do the hardphones conflict with it? Aren't tinc and wireguard at the same level as openvpn?
<ertes-w>
last OT remark: docker is kind of a sad piece of software in that it has both elements of brilliance and elements of utter stupidity, and it can be difficult to distinguish them… i might write an article about how not to use docker, mostly because i think if you just ignore the bullshit features, it's very useful
<hyper_ch>
hardphones have integreated vpn client
<nh2>
hyper_ch: ah, but why not continue to use openvpn for those? I'd think your phones don't need the full gigabit speed?
<hyper_ch>
I don't need full gigabit speed myself
<felix___>
MichaelRaskin: Thank you, this pointed me in the right direction. Now I can investigate further
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] yegortimoshenko opened pull request #30124: connman: do not restart after suspend (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vdBPF
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<kuznero>
Hi All
<hyper_ch>
hi
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<adisbladis>
ertes-w: I think docker is an ok runtime with a s*it ecosystem & tooling
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] joachifm pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdBXy
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 0ae2e5d José Romildo Malaquias: jwm: 1621 -> 1651
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 77caf8f Joachim F: Merge pull request #30097 from romildo/upd.jwm...
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<adisbladis>
Pretty happy about building them with nix though, it removes most of the bad stuff
<ertes-w>
adisbladis: yeah… without nix docker would be a pain
<ertes-w>
i'm also looking forward to a future where i just bind-mount the host nix store into all containers, but i'm not there yet
<jonge>
hey there. i just got the option "powerManagement.powertop.enable = true;" from the documentation. it does not exist however according to nix-rebuild. what to do?
<ertes-w>
jonge: does the option exist in your 'configuration.nix' man-page?
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<nico202>
has anybody managed to get gtk3 (and possibly gtk2) emacs keybindings in nixos?
<jonge>
ertes-w: no, it does not. i got it from the online "options" search.
<jonge>
ertes-w: how can i "make" it exist? any kind of package sources update or so?
<ertes-w>
jonge: first `nix-channel --update`, then rebuild again
<ertes-w>
jonge: if it still doesn't exist, you need a more recent channel
<jonge>
ertes-w: i see. was not aware that powerManagement.powertop is so new.
<ertes-w>
jonge: i have it, but i'm on unstable
<jonge>
ertes-w: ok, the nix-channel --update did not work.
<ertes-w>
jonge: nix-channel --list
<jonge>
it's just nixos-17.03
<ertes-w>
jonge: (note that the man-page is only updated by nixos-rebuild)
<ertes-w>
so do nixos-rebuild to check
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<ertes-w>
jonge: if rebuild doesn't work, you may have to switch to unstable… i believe 17.03 is the latest stable channel
<jonge>
that did not make it appear in the manpage. but was running "nixos-rebuild switch" and then getting the error that the flag does not exist the right thing to do?
<kuznero>
ertes-w: I think 17.09 was already released, thus 17.09 channel is also stable (or?)
<jonge>
i am supposed to do nix-channel adds and updates as root user, right?
<ertes-w>
yes
<ertes-w>
unless you have user-specific channels
<ertes-w>
(if you don't know, you don't have them)
<jonge>
i see. currently i don't.
<jonge>
hm i still do not see powertop in my manpage. but then i also do not know if my manpage was _really_ rebuilt. is there a simple way to check that?
<jonge>
what does that mean for me? experimental, or should it be in 17.09 already?
<ertes-w>
jonge: the man-page is rebuilt by nixos-rebuild
<hyper_ch>
jonge: should be in 17.09 if you use that channel
<ertes-w>
if the rebuild is unsuccessful, the man-page stays the same
<jonge>
ertes-w: yes i launched this several times, but always with that error message about the missing option. do i have to remove the option in order to correctly rebuild then?
<ertes-w>
jonge: you can, but if rebuild tells you that the option doesn't exist, then… well… it doesn't exist =)
<jonge>
ok, so this finally means "switch to experimental or do not have it" then i guess...
<ertes-w>
jonge: you could switch to unstable and use that one, until it gets merged into 17.09, then switch back
<hyper_ch>
unstable runs pretty well
<jonge>
ok. well i am a seasoned linux user, the only thing which is new to me is nixos and its package management. i guess i would run fine with unstable then?
<kuznero>
jonge: you could still use everything from stable 17.09, but one single package from unstable if you want
<ertes-w>
jonge: BTW, "unstable" really just means that the changes weren't hand-picked… it's still a fairly stable channel in terms of reliability
<jonge>
i see. shall i add the unstable channel _additionally_ then or completely remove all other channels and _only_ add the unstable one?
<ertes-w>
in particular it doesn't mean "straight out of git"… all the test suites still run, and all packages are still built by hydra
<hyper_ch>
and there's also "unstable-small" which will make you compile a few more things
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<ertes-w>
kuznero: if you have the time to explain the process, i'm happy to let you take it from here =)
<goibhniu>
it's important to use a nixos channel rather than a nixpkgs channel for nixos itself, the nixpkgs channels don't run as many tests
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<kuznero>
ertes-w: in the link I provided there is a couple of lines example on how this is achieved
<ertes-w>
jonge: ^
<kuznero>
There I have mono46 package from stable and fsharp41 from unstable
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<jonge>
kuznero: i can also put such stuff into my configuration.nix, right?
<kuznero>
jonge: exactly right
<jonge>
kuznero: thank you. i will play around with this. :)
<ertes-w>
you might want to use nix-channel though
<ertes-w>
if you put it into your configuration.nix like that, then every nixos-rebuild will try to fetch the latest unstable
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<jonge>
ertes-w: currently i do not really care how clean solutions are, as long as i learn how things are done. this is all on a toy laptop where nothing needs to be stable. i am currently just focusing on learning nixos stuff. :)
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<hyper_ch>
hmmmm, what could be the cause that I get Input/output error when trying to do a md5sum on a 50GB file?
<ij>
A bad disk? :--)
<nico202>
hyper_ch: hard drive fault? Or I recently had one on a 32bit machine. The suggestion was to compile the program with -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 and it worked
<gchristensen>
how would I "attach" a service to default.target, in that the machine never reaches default.target unless my service succeeds?
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<nico202>
a workaround could be to try cat 50GBfile | md5sum
<hyper_ch>
it's 64bit
<kuznero>
Are there any good example of using dotnet core in Nix?
<hyper_ch>
ij: well, rsync went without problem
<ij>
Well, it might've just checked the dates and not done anything.
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<ij>
The architecture should surely be irrelevant.
<hyper_ch>
cat file > /dev/null also gives error... several multi-gig files give errors... weird... could maybe zfs play a role here?
<ij>
Manuals of nix-commands say that NIX the default locations of NIX_···_DIRs are "prefix/store" or "prefix/share". Can I override that prefix?
<kuznero>
No dotnet core experts here? :)
<hyper_ch>
rebuilding not for pv
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] NeQuissimus pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdBdZ
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master aee224c Tim Steinbach: linux: 4.9.52 -> 4.9.53
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 0bd1f7a Tim Steinbach: linux: 4.13.4 -> 4.13.5
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] NeQuissimus pushed 2 new commits to release-17.09: https://git.io/vdBdC
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.09 0afd17f Tim Steinbach: linux: 4.9.52 -> 4.9.53...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.09 d7f4181 Tim Steinbach: linux: 4.13.4 -> 4.13.5...
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<szicari>
Greetings. I'm trying to override a python package to provide an additional build input, but my override seems to clobber _all_ other python packages. Can someone offer some insight into my failures? http://dpaste.com/2A2EHBT (~/.nixpkgs/config.nix)
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<szicari>
As far as I can tell, I am overriding a specific attribute and not the entire python27Packages.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] florianjacob opened pull request #30127: nixos/network-interfaces: assertion for too long interface names (master...limit_interface_name_length) https://git.io/vdBFs
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] WilliButz opened pull request #30128: nixos/xautolock: rewrite and add some options (master...xautolock) https://git.io/vdBFB
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<hyper_ch>
MichaelRaskin: very interesting... pv aborts always at the same place
<MichaelRaskin>
I wouldn't word it like that. BtrFS in a similar state is possible, and repairable. But it _also_ can go to a much funnier state. Have observed both cases on my /nix/ (which I don't care too much about nuking).
<Mic92>
MichaelRaskin: how can it be repaired? I could not convince btrfs to mount it.
<MichaelRaskin>
Mic92: maybe you just got the funny version from the first try.
<MichaelRaskin>
A few years (five, maybe) ago it was simple enough.
<MichaelRaskin>
At every moment in time, though, there is a ton of mount options to BtrFS that mean «I know my FS is dead but show me what you can», and sometimes a combination of them actually works.
<Mic92>
so they fixed some stuff
<Mic92>
that was horrible before
<MichaelRaskin>
What non-politically correct words you use. It was promoting regular backup plans.
<hyper_ch>
Mic92: well, I removed that whole VMs dataset
<hyper_ch>
and recreated it
<hyper_ch>
but it still has those errors shown
<MichaelRaskin>
(but yes, it did like to lose data)
<MichaelRaskin>
hyper_ch: so maybe it _is_ storage-device-level?
<savage>
I'm trying to compile a program with G++ and ld cannot find a bunch of object files and libraries to link against. Am I missing packages (which I can't figure out) or am I supposed to use a nix-build function?
<goibhniu>
hi savage, are your writing a nix expression to build it?
<savage>
No I'm not
<Mic92>
hyper_ch: I now why no file is listed in that case
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<hyper_ch>
Mic92: why?
<goibhniu>
savage: you can also use nix-shell, if you're developing it, but it might be easiest to write a nix expression
<Mic92>
I find it easier to understand the zfs source code compared to btrfs... the architecture is simpler and there are fewer edge cases.
<savage>
I'll take another look and see how it goes. thanks!
<clever>
savage: you may also need to uninstall gcc and the linker, to avoid any potential problems
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<savage>
ah ok, thanks
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<szicari>
Greetings. I'm trying to override a python package to provide an additional build input, but my override seems to clobber _all_ other python packages. Can someone offer some insight into my failures? http://dpaste.com/2A2EHBT
<ij>
Why could nixos-install output a "error: path '/nix/store/…' is not valid"? http://sprunge.us/RdgK
<ij>
L
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] cyraxjoe closed pull request #30046: Version upgrade of enpass, from 5.4 to 5.6. (master...enpass-version-update) https://git.io/vdCDb
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<pie_>
if the path in .outPath doesnt exist, that derivation wasnt built?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nix] shlevy opened pull request #1591: darwin installer: Fix on systems where sudo -i is disabled. (master...darwin-installer-no-sudo-i) https://git.io/vdRtn
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nix] shlevy opened pull request #1592: darwin installer: Fix on systems where sudo -i is disabled. (1.11-maintenance...darwin-installer-no-sudo-i-1.11-maintenance) https://git.io/vdRt8
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<lucasOfBesaid>
While debugging a sound issue (neither Chromium nor VLC currently produce sound) I discovered that pavucontrol fails to start with this message: /home/lucas/.nix-profile/bin/pavucontrol: symbol lookup error: /run/opengl-driver/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmGetDevices2
<steveeJ>
ahmedtd_: have you tested https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/24944 on shell scripts? it fails for me even though the test conditions are successful on manual test
<goibhniu>
lucasOfBesaid: do you have hardware.pulseaudio.enable = true;?
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<lucasOfBesaid>
goibhniu: Yes. And hardware.pulseaudio.package = pkgs.pulseaudioFull
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<steveeJ>
ahmedtd_: I take it back, the installPhase seems to have no permission for wrapping the script
<steveeJ>
s/wrapping/stating/
<goibhniu>
lucasOfBesaid: can it be that pavucontrol is old, or from a different channel than your system?
<lucasOfBesaid>
goibhniu: pavucontrol is installed from my user account, whereas pulseaudio is installed system-wide. How can I check if they don't match, or alternatively can I somehow ensure that both my system and user environment are up-to-date?
<goibhniu>
you could try installing it as a system package instead, and removing it from your user profile
* goibhniu
is surprised this doesn't happen more often ... never heard of it before
<lucasOfBesaid>
goibhniu: I'd rather try updating everything, since that has a chance of simultaneously solving my no sound problem
<iqubic>
If I have libreoffice in my systemPackages, is Hunspell pulled in too, or do I need to add that too?
<iqubic>
I'm trying to get LibreOffice spell check to work properly.
<iqubic>
Currently LibreOffice treats all strings as valid.
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<goibhniu>
lucasOfBesaid: yeah, it's no harm to put everything in systemPackages, upgrade and clear your user profile
<goibhniu>
(and your root profile)
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<iqubic>
Anyone know how to solve my LibreOffice spell check issues?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] rycee pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vdRmh
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master eeda400 Robert Helgesson: josm: 12914 -> 12921
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<iqubic>
I think adding Hunspell might solve it, but I want check if that's the right way to go about solving my issues.
<iqubic>
Also, how do I specify which dictionaries hunspell is going to use?
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<lucasOfBesaid>
goibhniu: sudo nixos-rebuild switch seemed to do nothing. I had done it relatively recently, so maybe this is a result of that. nix-channel --update && nix-env -u on the other hand updated a bunch of stuff.
<lucasOfBesaid>
pavucontrol still doesn't work, though
<goibhniu>
did you use --upgrade?
<lucasOfBesaid>
Is that a nixos-rebuild option?
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<goibhniu>
and nix-env -e all your user packages
<goibhniu>
yep
<iqubic>
Anyone able to help me with hunspell?
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<lucasOfBesaid>
Just did sudo nixos-rebuild --upgrade switch and it again looked like a noop. I'm still hesitating to put all my user packages into configuration.nix because ugh what a pain. Do you really think it'll help?
<zraexy>
hunspellDicts.en-us?
<goibhniu>
lucasOfBesaid: it might be weird with sudo
<goibhniu>
try as root
<goibhniu>
and just uninstall pavucontrol
<iqubic>
zraexy: I think that will work.
<zraexy>
I believe you just have to add the ones you want to systemPackages
<iqubic>
zraexy: Do you think that will make LibreOffice's spell check work?
<iqubic>
Because currently it thinks all strings are valid words.
<pie_>
how can i coerce a set to a list? :/
<lucasOfBesaid>
Bunch of collision warnings. (example: collision between `/nix/store/7pi5216k3lfb0mfvn6djqvkwd7mj44da-gvfs-1.30.1/bin/gvfs-cat' and `/nix/store/0vmxd1vcc37jgq1kayfz72x80fh9f09f-gvfs-1.30.1/bin/gvfs-cat')
<goibhniu>
that's fine
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<lucasOfBesaid>
Oh dear. Yup, that did it. pavucontrol works now
<samae>
goibhniu: you asked at the end of february about a working gpg-agent config, did you solve your problem?
<goibhniu>
samae: I think I had it working for a day, and then I didn't get it working again :/
<samae>
I found the IRC log of your question when I looked for “not a tty”
<samae>
damn…
<goibhniu>
lucasOfBesaid: good!
<samae>
goibhniu: did you try to use the specific option in nixos 17.09?
<lucasOfBesaid>
I am not looking forward to moving all my user-installed packages into configuration.nix
<goibhniu>
lucasOfBesaid: this seems to be very rare
<goibhniu>
samae: sweet! I haven't!
<samae>
I'm using a smart card with gpg, and this GPG_TTY issue is the last thing that doesn't work
<lucasOfBesaid>
goibhniu: Maybe not. I'm not an average user. The symptom was that sound didn't work. I followed a winding path to get here. Other users may not be making the connections I did.
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<goibhniu>
lucasOfBesaid: I just searched for that error message and found that single issue ... I'd be surprised if more people didn't mention it here
<goibhniu>
samae: and you've already tried that config option?
<iqubic>
zraexy: What exactly is the issue being brought up in that bug report?
<goibhniu>
samae: that's a pity
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<samae>
It works ok for normal sessions, but not very well for when I connect from another machine
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<zraexy>
iqubic: It's a meta issue for spellchecking. Libreoffice is not checked off as fixed and there are a bunch of individual issues in the latest comment.
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<iqubic>
So basically there's no way to get spell checking to work?
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<taaperotassu>
I have enabled lightdm and using it. But how to enable and use autologin? I tried services.xserver.displayManager.lightdm.autoLogin.user = taapero; But building nixos fails?
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<taaperotassu>
syntax error?
<goibhniu>
taaperotassu: should it be 'taapero'?
<pie_>
let names = builtins.attrNames e; in map (x: e.x.outPath) ff
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<pie_>
[ error: attribute ‘x’ missing, at (string):1:43
<pie_>
any way to fix that?
<pie_>
* let names = builtins.attrNames e; in map (x: e.x.outPath) names
<taaperotassu>
I tried 'taapero'
<taaperotassu>
still same error?
<goibhniu>
what error do you get?
<pie_>
(brb)
<srhb>
taaperotassu: It should be a str, if you still get errors the problem might be elsewhere.
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<taaperotassu>
syntax error, unexpected and $undefined?
<infinisil>
pie_: e.${x}.outPath
<pie_>
infinisil, oh. thanks :/
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<zraexy>
iqubic: Doesn't look like it. Unless you want to fix the derivation.
<iqubic>
So even grabbing hunspell won't magically make the spell checking work properly?
<joepie91>
infinisil: hm, shouldn't that be e."${x}".outPath?
<joepie91>
cc pie_
<joepie91>
or is e.${x} also valid?
<joepie91>
afaik ${} only exists in a string context
<taaperotassu>
damn :D still not working.. building is without errors. thought
<joepie91>
syntactically speaking
<zraexy>
iqubic: I believe the issue is not the spell checker but libreoffice being able to find the dictionaries.
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<infinisil>
joepie91: it should still be valid, hold on
<iqubic>
So even if I get hunspell, LibreOffice still won't be able to see that the hunspell dictionaries exist?
<iqubic>
Is there any way to work around this?
<infinisil>
joepie91: Yeah, ${} without quotes works
<joepie91>
huh.
* joepie91
note to self
<taaperotassu>
damn so if I am using i3 and lightdm autologin is not possible as it needs : services.xserver.desktopManager.default to be set
<infinisil>
nix-instantiate --eval -E 'let a = "a"; in { a = 1; }.${a}'
<infinisil>
1
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<zraexy>
iqubic: I don't know enough about libreoffice to say. There should be a way of building it with the dictionaries it needs but currently that would involve changing the derivation.
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<iqubic>
I'd like someone else to do that. I'm not knowledgeable to fix the derivation.
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<srhb>
taaperotassu: Not understood. Why is that a problem?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vbgl pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vdRCZ
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 9e754a6 Vincent Laporte: ocamlPackages.ssl: 0.5.3 -> 0.5.4
<Dezgeg>
well a better way is to delete the /etc/nix/nix.conf symlink and replace it with a file
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<Dezgeg>
but there's no need to do that unless you write something invalid to nix.conf since everything can be overwritten with --option on the command line anyway...
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<infinisil>
oh right
<infinisil>
forgot about that
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<ryantm>
nixer
<ryantm>
oops, sorry.
<nixer>
np
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<taaperotassu>
srhb: I am using i3wm which is not a desktopmanager but a windowmanager
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<nh2>
taaperotassu: what's a "desktopmanager" for you then? In usual terminology, there are only 2 kinds of managers: "login managers" (things like lightdm, gdm, kdm), and "window managers" (the programs that are the top parents of your X session)
<avn>
nh2: well, sometimes top parent of x session is not usually a WM, sometimes it something third. (I abused it, when implement kiosk -- session quits when main app quits)
<sphalerite>
hi folks. Any thoughts on how a shared home directory (mounted via nfs) might interact poorly with nix? The things that come to mind are .nix-profile (breaks across machines) and result symlinks (will only work on the machine they were created on, but shouldn't get gc'd accidentally)
<sphalerite>
Can anyone think of something I might have missed?
<avn>
sphalerite: bind-mount .nix-profile to something local?
<sphalerite>
avn: not sure that will work with a symlink that simply gets replaced?
<sphalerite>
plus that would have to be done per user, which is also non-trivial because LDAP
<sphalerite>
I mean, just not supporting nix-env is an option
<gchristensen>
sphalerite: I can't think of anything specific
<sphalerite>
it's not so much a question of "how can I fix stuff" as opposed to "what will break" that I'm asking
<avn>
sphalerite: I can't suggest anything less idiotic, than custom fuse fs which will manage these links, diverting them somewhere
<gchristensen>
lol
<gchristensen>
seems sphalerite isn't looking for solutions right now
<sphalerite>
avn: how about "not using the shared home directory as the actual home directory on nixos" :p
<sphalerite>
(still mounting it and having it accessible, just not using it as the home dir)
<avn>
sphalerite: hmm, you can combine local-home with shared-home onto /home/user with unionfs-fuse ;)
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<avn>
if local-home would be on-top, it even should works
<sphalerite>
actually .nix-profile would work, wouldn't it? Because it doesn't link to a profile by number
<avn>
also look on bindfs, which allow mangle some fs crap like uids/time/...
<sphalerite>
so it would only fail on machines where the user doesn't have a profile
<avn>
sphalerite: it fallback to root .nix-profile, doesn't it?
<sphalerite>
well how is nix-profile used in the first place? AFAIK it's only placed in search paths, and the typical behaviour there is to just ignore it if it doesn't exist
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<sphalerite>
so it wouldn't really break at all, although the profile obviously would be a per-host thing
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<sphalerite>
Does anyone know why I might be consistently losing my wifi connection, and at that point the journal says Oct 05 19:48:58 sudoku wpa_supplicant[3286]: wlp2s0: WPA: Group rekeying completed with e8:de:27:6d:45:b4 [GTK=CCMP]
<sphalerite>
(did that fit in an IRC message?)
<sphalerite>
looks like it did
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<pie_>
egg2nix mostly works like a charm, woo user error
<hyper_ch>
Mic92: so, freshly new installed ;)
<infinisil>
Ohh, you can use `attr ? name` without quoting name :O
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<wilornel>
How can I ssh into my new nixos guest vm? I can't get sshd working
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<wilornel>
"Unit sshd.service not found"
<infinisil>
wilornel: Do you have services.openssh.enable = true;?
<srhb>
taaperotassu: Can't you set it to "none" ?
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<sphalerite>
wilornel: I think the service is called openssh.service. Not sure htough
<wilornel>
where do I set this?
<sphalerite>
never mind, it is sshd.server
<sphalerite>
service*
<sphalerite>
wilornel: in the nixos config
<sphalerite>
/etc/nixos/configuration.nix
<sphalerite>
then run nixos-rebuild switch to apply the change
<wilornel>
it works! Thank you :)
<wilornel>
thanks sphalerite *
<wilornel>
is there a way for me to easily declare the packages I want to be installed for a certain user? Or would it be better to source an environment?
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<sphalerite>
wilornel: I'd write it as a nix expression and install it as that user using nix-env -ir
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<sphalerite>
there isn't really a solution for doing it from the system config currently
<wilornel>
Well, I don't see why every user should be editing this single file to declare the packages that they want. So, I think your solution sphalerite makes sense
<samae>
it replicates the module system at the user level
<samae>
so you can manage your user configuration
<infinisil>
There isn't a standard as of now, but home-manager is used by more and more people, and I believe it could become a standard way of doing it given some time
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<hyper_ch>
ah
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<MichaelRaskin>
is NixUP also one of these?
<sphalerite>
wilornel: for just installing packages, a nix expression + nix-env -ir will do. If you want proper config, home-manager
<sphalerite>
that said, I'm using just nix-env -ir for managing my config for now. I plan to migrate to home-manager but haven't done so yet
<wilornel>
What do you mean by "proper config"? What does that entail?
<wilornel>
Would that mean configuring what services should be running as well?
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<MichaelRaskin>
There is also generating some of the dotfiles, I guess.
<MichaelRaskin>
If you want something fancier than just dropping everything into a VCS.
<hyper_ch>
it's not really a but.. it's just a very good password hint function
<sphalerite>
iqubic: password hint for encrypted APFS volumes on SSDs would be set to the passwor
<the-kenny>
Yeah, my bet would be on tooling bug too
<iqubic>
sphalerite: Is that a bad thing?
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<sphalerite>
iqubic: it does somewhat defeat the point of encryption.
<iqubic>
It does?
<MichaelRaskin>
It is very, very user-friendly. But causes weird panic reactions in some strange nerds, you know.
<sphalerite>
:D
<iqubic>
Does it change the actual password?
<sphalerite>
no, but it does reveal it
<iqubic>
How?
<MichaelRaskin>
Because it sets password hint to a copy of the password
<MichaelRaskin>
And password hint is _supposed_ to be freely viewable.
<iqubic>
Oh my god, that's awful. Has this been patched yet?
<MichaelRaskin>
By te way, this is also a data loss bug! If someone were using the password hint insteadof post-it notes… You know, it's quite convenient — you don't need to unlock the notebook to view the hint!
<hyper_ch>
it's just very considerate of Apple to have such a helpful hint
<hyper_ch>
think of all the people that keep forgetting their passwords... they are happy with this
<clever>
ive seen a similar problem in redhat, the root password was in a log file of all input the installer received
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] NeQuissimus pushed 3 new commits to release-17.09: https://git.io/vdRK4
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.09 6b5df4d Tim Steinbach: kbfs: 20170922.f76290 -> 20171004.40555d...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.09 f816ec8 Tim Steinbach: keybase: 1.0.30 -> 1.0.33...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.09 e505f67 Tim Steinbach: keybase-gui: 1.0.25 -> 1.0.33...
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<csingley>
I'm editing some services nixpkgs/nixos/modules/services/. How do I make nix-build build my local modifications for testing?
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<makefu>
csingley: you could configure this change in your configuration.nix and build your system with the checkout: NIX_PATH=nixpkgs=$PWD nixos-rebuild switch
<makefu>
or build a vm
<makefu>
nixos-rebuild build-vm (i haven't tested this though)
<makefu>
setting a custom configuration: NIX_PATH=nixos-config=my.config:nixpkgs=$PWD
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<bigvalen>
I managed to blow away my /boot - assuming it was a pretty standard stable-nixos-on-zfs setup, how hard is it to ... find a new /boot ?
<jonge>
i just added the cacert PEM file content of my company to my global security.pki.certificates option. and i can see it indeed in my /etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt file. however, with both google chrome and curl, i cannot access our intranet sites via https. did i miss anything?
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<makefu>
bigvalen: nixos-rebuild boot in a chroot with a boot cd
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<makefu>
jonge: i think you need to manually configure the cert in your browser configuration
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<makefu>
jonge: for curl and stuff, you need to set $SSL_CERT_FILE i think
<jonge>
makefu: i can imagine that is true for firefox, but on other distros chrome accepted system wide certs.
<makefu>
jonge: then try setting SSL_CERT_FILE
<jonge>
makefu: just tried it after you said it. does not work. when i give it the cert file with --cacert it works however.
<iqubic>
What happens if you run the nix install script on Nixon?
<iqubic>
nixos
<makefu>
jonge there are more variables it seems
<makefu>
CURL_CA_BUNDLE = ca-bundle;
<makefu>
GIT_SSL_CAINFO = ca-bundle;
<makefu>
SSL_CERT_FILE = ca-bundle;
<jonge>
makefu: where do you have this from?
<bigvalen>
makefu; thanks.
<bigvalen>
As in, boot CD, find & mount root, var etc. chroot into that, and 'nixos-rebuild boot' from there.
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<makefu>
jonge: if this works for you you could add the info to https://nixos.wiki :)
<sphalerite>
clever: could I pick your brains on a netboot setup? :)
<jonge>
makefu: good idea. i am just going to try it out now.
<LnL>
jonge: most tools also look at NIX_SSL_CERT_FILE
<sphalerite>
I've got a working setup where the machines boot into the installer, roughly, but there are two issues with it. I want to be able to modify it quickly, and that's not currently possible because mksquashfs is slow; and I want it to boot quickly, which is not currently possible because the initrd is large and it takes a while to transfer it to grub
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<makefu>
LnL: these will be the nix tools, right?
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<jonge>
makefu: what is "mkForce"? my nixos-rebuild doesn't know that.
<LnL>
tools from nixpkgs, things like curl, git, go will use that if it's defined
<sphalerite>
jonge: it's in lib
<makefu>
jonge: it is out of the lib
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<jonge>
so i add "lib" to the list in the first line?
<jonge>
ok that did not work.
<makefu>
jonge: then lib.mkForce
<makefu>
or at the beginning "with lib;"
<clever>
sphalerite: sure
<jonge>
makefu: yes that works.
<sphalerite>
any suggestions for how to improve on those pain points?
<clever>
sphalerite: nixos-rebuild the small changes after boot?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] orivej pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdR1q
<clever>
sphalerite: sanboot in ipxe is part of the magic, it hijacks the legacy bios api for the hdd's
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<clever>
sphalerite: so when grub tries to read the local hdd, it transparently gets relayed over iscsi
<sphalerite>
have you PRed (considered PRing) iscsi-boot.nix to nixpkgs?
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<sphalerite>
oh, hm, I'm not using ipxe
<clever>
sphalerite: never got around to that, and i wrote this before the initrd supported networking
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<jonge>
makefu: ok, in that config past that link, ca-bundle = "${pkgs.cacert}/etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt"; is used. but that file does not contain my root cert. only /etc/ssl/... does. should i use it without the ${pkgs.cacert} then, because security.pki.certificates seems to touch only /etc/ssl/...?
<clever>
sphalerite: this also works with a local /boot on each machine
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<clever>
sphalerite: i had originally written it with a fat32 /boot on the SD card of an rpi
<iqubic>
If I update my channel, should I change the nixos state setting in configuration.nix?
<clever>
sphalerite: then i added the grub and ipxe, when i ported it to a laptop
<clever>
sphalerite: ipxe reports its mac to the boot.php file, which then decides what to boot, based on a switch/case statement
<iqubic>
Must be. Did the menu generator change from 17.03 to 17.09?
<MichaelRaskin>
NixOS lacks a protocol that would let generations to provide their own fixed description.
<MichaelRaskin>
Which is a shame, because it means you cannot have two NixOS-like Nix-based systems coexist and generate boot entries for each other
<iqubic>
So some other bit of code creates the boot menu descriptions?
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<gchristensen>
iqubic: it did
<clever>
iqubic: the code in the current build of nixos generates the menu for all of them
<iqubic>
I see. That must be what happened to me.
<gchristensen>
did it break something?
<MichaelRaskin>
It broke expectations!
<gchristensen>
I'd say it exceeds them!
<MichaelRaskin>
«A throw has exceeded expectations. And someone cannot swim» if you remember that joke.
<gchristensen>
the systemdboot generator used to only output the generation # whereas bash would show the date they were made and the nixpkgs version, which was helpful
<gchristensen>
haha, I do :)
<gchristensen>
s/whereas bash/whereas grub/
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<iqubic>
gchristensen: systemd recently switched to grub's naming scheme and that threw me for a loop.
<gchristensen>
I know, I fixed it :)
<iqubic>
I'll be moving to grub soon though, as I like it better.
<iqubic>
More options.
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<infinisil>
After about 2 hours of getting into the thing I'm wanting to get to work, I realize that the solution is a single line
<infinisil>
-..
<infinisil>
-.-
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<MichaelRaskin>
That patch will remove two lines, not one.
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<akavel[m]>
@all: did anybody have success defining a brand new cross-compilation target in nixos and building something for it?
<LexLeoGryfon>
I dunno, but sure catalonias is half-succeded with defining their independence
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<akavel[m]>
I.e. a new/different CPU architecture or something like this
<LexLeoGryfon>
Goodendag!
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<MichaelRaskin>
What is a different CPU architecture? Like, there not that many in circulation (or with good support in gcc) — a few MIPS, a few ARM…
<MichaelRaskin>
I have both positive and negative experiences with cross-compiling to a specific portable device.
<MichaelRaskin>
Sometimes guessing options was easy, in another case I have failed to make the binaries I got not to segfault.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bjornfor pushed 1 new commit to release-17.09: https://git.io/vdRHK
<bigvalen>
makefu, So, I got it booting an install CD. I did a "zfs import -f rpool" to pull in the zfs volume from the old disks. Wasn't quite sure how to mount it, so did 'zfs set mountpoint=/new rpool/root' assuming that was the old root volume.
<bigvalen>
Alas.../new was empty. Anyone else good with ZFS and know how to mount a zfs root volume on a rescue CD ?
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<akavel[m]>
In my case its a somewhat atypical situation, as I want to build for 'l4' microkernel,
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<akavel[m]>
which defines itself as a new architecture in linux kernel sources
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<akavel[m]>
for needs of the build process.
<MichaelRaskin>
Did you check if the resulting kernel can run normal binaries for the underlying CPU architecture?
<akavel[m]>
So I need to invoke the cross compilation machinery to build kernel for a new architecture, not yet predefined in nixos.
<MichaelRaskin>
Ah, you need the kernel.
<akavel[m]>
And I find it super hard, esp.given that much of this stuff is underdocumented in nixos sources
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nixpkgs/master 4086a9c Vincent Laporte: ocamlPackages.pprint: 20140424 -> 20171003
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<MichaelRaskin>
I would try to specify the target underlying CPU for the cross-compilation config, and just tell the kernel that it is for L4.
<MichaelRaskin>
But I do sometimes fail when trying to cross-compile, so my advice is not to be trusted, only to be considered…
<akavel[m]>
I have trouble building the specific incantation.
<akavel[m]>
I think it was not actually the CPU which was the problem,
<akavel[m]>
bit rather sone other parameters in 'crossSystem'.
<MichaelRaskin>
That's how it usually goes, apparently.
<akavel[m]>
But I'm desperately scrambling for any and all resources and hints
<akavel[m]>
related to cross compilation
<akavel[m]>
so that maybe something could nudge me in right direction
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[nixpkgs] grahamc closed pull request #30102: simple-scan: Move to GNOME package set (master...gnome-simple-scan) https://git.io/vd45N
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<akavel[m]>
as the official docs are super sparse
<akavel[m]>
and even the nixos sources are usually left undocunented in those areas :(
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<akavel[m]>
MichaelRaskin: the 'just tell the kernel that it is for L4' is the part I don't know how to do correctly :)
<MichaelRaskin>
Does that mean that you can crosscompile normal software for this device with preexisting kernel booted?
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<akavel[m]>
"The device" is my normal laptop where I have regular nixos. I'd "just" like to swap the kernel for a l4linux one built using nix
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<MichaelRaskin>
Ah, then you don't need true cross-compilation
<LexLeoGryfon>
akavel[m]: at which timezone r u? it's midnight in EU. r u doing this stuff during night?
<moet>
hi nixos, if i install `inconsolata` via /etc/nixos/configuration.nix, it doesn't get used by urxvt..
<akavel[m]>
MichaelRaskin: I don't?
<moet>
but if i install it via `nix-env --install inconsolata` then urxvt happily uses it
<moet>
i'd expect a font to be used correctly by urxvt irrespective of how the font was installed (this is, after all, nixos!) :)
<akavel[m]>
LexLeoGryfon: EU. But I'm just talking about this during night now; I tried to do this some months ago, I don't have the PC handy now. Though I often hacked on it at nigjts indeed... why? :)
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<LexLeoGryfon>
do such stuff at nights... how perverted person u must be C:
<LexLeoGryfon>
I beleive nights are for sleep, and days are for party. and only few morning hours before lunch are for work
<akavel[m]>
It's too perverted for daylight ;)
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<MichaelRaskin>
akavel: you need to set platform.kernelArch, I guess
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<LexLeoGryfon>
I beleive my perversion and fucked mind bringed me to linux world... If I was healthy I would just stay on windows
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nixpkgs/master 9c53b9c Daniel Fullmer: mupdf: fix library linking...
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nixpkgs/master 7f51170 Daniel Fullmer: k2pdfopt: fix mupdf linking
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<LexLeoGryfon>
however I do some mental treatment, and I already became more healthy - I don't compile so often already no more
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<LexLeoGryfon>
and don't do distrohopping
<Dezgeg>
setting platform.kernelArch probably recompiles the world due to kernel-headers referring to kernelArch
<Dezgeg>
say, first clone nixpkgs, hardcode everything in pkgs/os-specific/linux/kernel/ to set ARCH=l4, and get the system work at that point
<Dezgeg>
once _that_ works, make it cleaner with overrideAttrs or something on the kernel expressions
<cement>
is there a quick and easy-ish way to remap CapsLock to Esc?
<MichaelRaskin>
xmodmap, I guess
<clever>
cement: there is also a nixos option for it
<akavel[m]>
Hmm; right, I thought about maybe forking nixpkgs, but i felt somehow scared by it. But maybe that's indeed the way to start this work, as you say?
<akavel[m]>
Then if this worked, would be a concrete PoC, and maybe then people from the mailing list could easier help me
<cement>
what option is that/where to look in the nixos manual?
<akavel[m]>
convert this to a non-fork derivation
<bigvalen>
I'm booting off a rescue CD. I've attached the zpool. I can mount zpool/
<bigvalen>
I can mount rpool/root but there is nothing in it.
<bigvalen>
I mounted the last root snapshot, files are there. Yay.
<bigvalen>
But there is no mention of nixos-rebuild.
<akavel[m]>
Ok, thanks @Dezgeg! I'll try to do this this way next time I find some time for this fun... :)
<bigvalen>
When I chroot to said snapshot, there are no nix commands in $PATH
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<disasm>
I'm thinking of wiping my laptop and giving zfsUnstable with native encryption a shot. Anyone that's done this before have any pointers or links I should read up on first?
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<bigvalen>
Heh. I worked out where the real root ZFS pool was. But now I realise I don't know how a really important NixOS thing works - where does /run/current-system/sw/ come from ?
<bigvalen>
It's in $PATH, but doesn't exist, when mounted manually
<MichaelRaskin>
It is created on boot and on switch by the system initialisation
<MichaelRaskin>
Previously it was /var/current-system, which was more convenient for rescueing, but it got changed.
<bigvalen>
So, if I'm booting from a rescue CD, and mounting the old root fs manually, hoping to re-run 'nixos-rebuilt boot' to fix it ?
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<rycee>
wilornel: No, unfortunately I haven't figured out a good way to generate a suitably useful .config/nixpkgs/config.nix from a Home Manager module. So for now you still have to create that file manually...
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<blackiwid>
hi I am try to get my wireless xbox controller working under kodi 17.x (nixos 17.xx) I did some digging talked a few hours on the kodi irc channel and come back here partialy confused :)
<blackiwid>
Try to fix that since months not every day of course but every few weeks I try to understand the problem and try to find the solution
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<blackiwid>
I have on the nixos github a bugreport with not much activity, I tried the mailing list
<blackiwid>
some effords were made but aperently not enough
<blackiwid>
so... the problem is kodi and its binary addon joystick / peripherals
<blackiwid>
kodiPlugins.joystick
<blackiwid>
if I install that I dont see the entry under my addons that you would expect
<blackiwid>
under "my addons" "peripheral libraries"