<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bgamari opened pull request #30882: [RFC] A large batch of cross-compilation fixes (master...ben-cross) https://git.io/vFk9o
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] orivej closed pull request #29954: buildLuaPackage: set makeFlags directly instead of through preBuild (master...fix/buildluapackage) https://git.io/vdZLS
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<qknight>
hello. my konsole does not accept cursor keys for navigation in 'bash' (i actually use fish shell but it works in neither)
<qknight>
anyone else seen this also?
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<xelxebar>
qknight: What do you mean by "navigation"?
<xelxebar>
Pressing up and down to acces previous commands and such?
<xelxebar>
If so, that might be a readline issue
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bgamari opened pull request #30883: Don't run tests when cross-compiling (master...ben-cross-no-check) https://git.io/vFkQE
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<xelxebar>
hrm. Somehow I screwed up my profile and now nix is putting profile symlinks in my home directory
<xelxebar>
~/.nix-profile-<num>-link
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<michaelpj>
qknight: I also observed that using konsole/yakuake on not-Plasma. I never tracked it down, and I've since switched to Plasma which seems fine
<michaelpj>
it's a weird issue - they didn't even seem to produce terminal escape codes
<qknight>
xelxebar: yes previous commands and such
<qknight>
michaelpj: i'm using xfce and IIRC plasma would be a WM, right?
<michaelpj>
yeah, it's the KDE one, so it's the "native" environment for konsole and friends, if there is one
<michaelpj>
I was using XFCE when I had the problem
<xelxebar>
Do other terminal emulators work fine?
<joepie91>
it might be relying on KDE's keyboard shortcut handling?
<joepie91>
I've noticed that being generally broken and/or unreliable outside of Plasma
<joepie91>
also for other KDE apps, also on other distros
<qknight>
do you guys think this is nixos related or a general kde problem?
<joepie91>
qknight: aside, using `xfce-terminal` isn't an option?
<samueldr>
I'm using konsole with awesomewm, no issue, though I'm always using a tmux session
<joepie91>
qknight: my *bet*, but this is very poorly informed, would be on a KDE problem
<joepie91>
or at least a KDE setup problem
<qknight>
joepie91: for the time being i use whatever works but the 'konsole' regular expression search feature is quite important for my daily work
<qknight>
joepie91: so i'm going to track that issue down.
<qknight>
oh and it used to work until the recent update (i've not updated in a long time though)
<joepie91>
ah.
<samueldr>
have you tried removing all konsole's configuration files?
<joepie91>
qknight: apparently xfce-terminal has regex search :)
<qknight>
samueldr: i removed some configs but i'm not sure if they were the right ones
<samueldr>
if you removed them while using konsole, it might have not been enough, I don't know if it would save settings on exit
<michaelpj>
apart from anything else, it certainly *should* work, even if xfce-terminal is an alternative
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<samueldr>
do you have a .inputrc file? are you messing with $TERM?
<qknight>
samueldr: i don' thave an .inputrc
<qknight>
samueldr: i will try to remove it later
<samueldr>
good, then it's probably not a mis-configuration of readline
<samueldr>
(inputrc is readline's configuration file)
<qknight>
i could try running konsole with 'nix-shell --pure'
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<samueldr>
I have started a konsole window without tmux, arrow keys seem to work
<samueldr>
I do have an inputrc file still
<qknight>
This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb"
<qknight>
with 'nix-shell --pure -p konsole' it won't even start... bummer
<samueldr>
are the system's channels and your user's channels at the same revisions/versions?
<samueldr>
iirc there's an issue with either kde or qt with graphical applications and mismatched Qt versions
<samueldr>
finally, my $TERM is xterm-256color
<samueldr>
(without screen)
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<samueldr>
not entirely sure if it's the konsole default, but I haven't seen anything making me think I customized it
<samueldr>
either in konsole or my profile
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<michaelpj>
from my experiments I recall: launching from a terminal or the DE made no difference, tmux made no difference, setting $TERM to various values made no difference
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<samueldr>
ideally, you shouldn't mess with TERM, ever
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<samueldr>
oh, and I'm with nixos 17.09, up-to-date to last week
<michaelpj>
the thing that made me think that it's not $TERM-related is that all the advice about that talks about getting escape characters - the problem is then that those aren't getting interpreted properly. But in this case I couldn't get it to produce escape characters even when entering the magic "show me the escape codes" sequence
<samueldr>
hmm
<samueldr>
I know konsole gobbles up a bunch of shortcut keys by default
<samueldr>
but not the arrow keys
<samueldr>
(I have removed most of them)
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<samueldr>
the show me the keycode might have been CTRL+V, right?
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<samueldr>
doing CTRL+V, then an arrow key shows me ^[[A and similar stuff
<rodarmor>
Is it possible to on NixOS to have a user use a different version of nixpkgs than root? I'd like my user account to use github master, so that I can develop nix packages on top of nixpkgs github master, but I'd like to keep the root user on nix-channels/nixos-unstable so I don't bork my system.
<samae>
rodarmor: yes, just add a channel as your user with nix-channel --add
<michaelpj>
note that that affects things installed with nix-env - everything in the system is using one version (the one that root uses for nixos-rebuild)
<rodarmor>
samae: Can I add a git remote? As in `nix-channel --add git@github.com:NixOS/nixpkgs.git`
<rodarmor>
Actually, a local checkout of a git repo would be most convenient
<rodarmor>
So I can apply the patches I'm working on in that local checkotu
<michaelpj>
rodarmor: you can set NIX_PATH, or run using `-I`
<samae>
well, it's easier to do what michaelpj said
<michaelpj>
I do this a lot: `nixos-rebuild switch -I nixpkgs=/path/to/my/checkout`
<samae>
I even do this when I some changes in a module for instance: “sudo nixos-rebuild -I nixpkgs=/home/samae/nixpkgs --fast test”
<samae>
here /home/samae/nixpkgs contains a clone of nixpkgs
<rodarmor>
Okay, cool, it looks like `-I` will probably be the easiest for my use case
<rodarmor>
Thanks!
<michaelpj>
you can also set `NIX_PATH` more constantly if you want - have a look at the manuals
<samae>
michaelpj: be careful though, if some derivation result is not cached, you could end up building for hours
<samae>
(if chromium was updated, or the kernel, …)
<michaelpj>
right, be sure to base your repo off the commit your system was at
<rodarmor>
Hmm, is there no way to build a single package at a particular commit, without rebuilding the whole system?
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<rodarmor>
I'm trying write a derivation for a rust package, and I need some stuff which is in nixpkgs/master but not in nixos-unstable yet.
<fearlessKim[m]>
rodarmor with nix-build -A <pkg>
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<fearlessKim[m]>
you can cherry pick from master into your own nixos-unstable
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFkp1
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master e6061d7 Robin Gloster: python.pkgs.nbmerge: init at unstable-2017-10-23
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<hyper_ch>
makefu: in the linker?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFkhV
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 8f3a2d6 Johannes Frankenau: borgbackup: 1.1.0 -> 1.1.1
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 2d88c36 Frederik Rietdijk: Merge pull request #30829 from jfrankenau/update-borg...
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFkhw
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 2227d35 Tom Saeger: pythonPackages.ofxclient: 1.3.8 -> 2.0.3
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master dcff3cc Frederik Rietdijk: Merge pull request #30264 from tsaeger/tsaeger/ofxclient...
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<adisbladis>
FRidh: Are you there?
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<hyper_ch>
how can I have a configureFlag like CXXFLAGS="-I....... -I........" no matter what I try, nix just keeps messing with it and escapting the quotes etc
<FRidh>
adisbladis: yep
<adisbladis>
FRidh: I plan to do some cleanup in pythonPackages and I'm wondering about what to do with some packages.
<adisbladis>
I'm thinking if it's a good idea to move that from pythonPackages to the dependant or if it still belongs in pythonPackages
<FRidh>
adisbladis: what is the package attribute name?
<fearlessKim[m]>
hyper_ch: there are nix functions to quote in your stead but I don't remember them
<hyper_ch>
I tried lists, double single quotes.... but I just can't get it to work
<adisbladis>
FRidh: pythonPackages.notify
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<FRidh>
adisbladis: we should indeed a) remove old, unused, unmaintained packages or b) move them to their dependents. In case of notify it is not used at all in the tree so we can just remove it.
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<adisbladis>
FRidh: It is used by conman-notify
<adisbladis>
connman-notify
<fearlessKim[m]>
you might want to change python-libvirt's name too so that it follows the usual naming convention
<adisbladis>
So I was thinking to: 1. Move it to connman-notify 2. Update it
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<FRidh>
Interesting, my pre-commit hook did not detect that one...
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<adisbladis>
FRidh: When it comes to this I run nox-review after every little change to make sure (:
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<FRidh>
adisbladis: I have a hook that, just like nox-review, checks with nix-env whether it can still evaluate.
<adisbladis>
Sounds pretty useful. You mind sharing?
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 9016e04 Frederik Rietdijk: Merge pull request #30874 from leenaars/datefudge...
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<disasm>
infinisil: https://gist.github.com/45deb245dd646cdd25292d9a77c6b728 -- basically in tabbed or fullscreen mode in i3, it shows the background in the active window instead of the window behind it, but if a window is floating, you see the window behind. I can show you later if you want to see.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/vFIe9
<ArdaXi[m]>
Has anyone gotten the `sharenfs` property in ZFS working on NixOS?
<Mic92>
greetings from nixcon!
<hyper_ch>
Mic92: how is it?
<hyper_ch>
Mic92: and why are you surfing irc instead of taking a full dive into the con?
<hyper_ch>
ArdaXi[m]: never tried; don't even know what it is :)
<ArdaXi[m]>
You can do `zfs set sharenfs=on pool/dataset` and it will share that dataset over NFS automatically
<hyper_ch>
ArdaXi[m]: ah... never really use nfs
<hyper_ch>
only using cifs over vpn
<ArdaXi[m]>
I use NFS locally for my media server
<ArdaXi[m]>
If you're on the same network, it's got better performance
<hyper_ch>
well, I use cifs over vpn
<hyper_ch>
so it works no matter where I am
<hyper_ch>
wireguard gives me around 650mbit/s over internet as vpn.... so not too worried about performance
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<hyper_ch>
ArdaXi[m]: test from yesterday.... line were slow.... direct connection was only around 750mbit... wireguard 570mbit and unoptimized openvpn 210mbit (well, I have to tweak openvpn a bit) https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/raw/6e8f2bcf
<hyper_ch>
so, for my media it works (don't have 4k or anything)
<ArdaXi[m]>
It's a matter of preference too, I suppose, but CIFS has a bunch of issues with locking etc
<ArdaXi[m]>
I generally share on both but only use CIFS if I have to use a Windows client
<ArdaXi[m]>
NFS support in Windows is very much theoretical
<rycee>
grahamc: Could try adding a youtube widget with the live stream?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] dezgeg pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFIJe
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 06c1543 Tuomas Tynkkynen: claws-mail: Split dev output...
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<grahamc>
rycee: where?
<rycee>
In this channel. The rightmost button in the text box I'm writing in now says "Show Apps". In there is a YouTube one which allows embedding a youtube video in the channe,.
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<JosW>
Nixcon looks like real broadcast pro's!
<rycee>
grahamc: Nevermind. I just tried it in a private channel and it says "playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner"
<rycee>
So it doesn't seem to work.
<adisbladis>
What would that even mean? :S
<adisbladis>
It's not like irc has magic video powers
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<ArdaXi[m]>
This is a Matrix-specific thing
<ArdaXi[m]>
Would make more sense in #nix:matrix.org honestly
<FRidh>
stream is gone now?
<JosW>
yeah no break to stream
<JosW>
they have a break now do they?
<JosW>
it's back
<adisbladis>
No audio though
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<JosW>
previous talk is already online i see
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] abbradar pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFIJ0
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master abf222a David Izquierdo: libtbb: init at 2018_U1
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 301fc3a David Izquierdo: maintainers: add dizfer
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 38368c4 David Izquierdo: steam-runtime-wrapped: add libtbb
<goibhniu>
sometimes the audio input just disappears from obs :/
<goibhniu>
I've been rebooting to fix it
<hyper_ch>
aah... I just think the general level is just a bit low
<goibhniu>
oh, thanks!
<joko>
Hello, I'm trying to update my user environment via "nix-env -u" and I'm getting "error: syntax error, unexpected $undefined, expecting IND_STR or DOLLAR_CURLY or IND_STRING_CLOSE, at /nix/store/gklpdjwd7693jp7cb311d9fskqnxik46-nixos/nixos/pkgs/os-specific/linux/bcc/default.nix:29:27"
<hyper_ch>
but maybe others can also say
<goibhniu>
I bumped it up a little, it's a bit noisy too, right?
<hyper_ch>
goibhniu: it got a bit louder :) was that you?
<hyper_ch>
there's static nose
<goibhniu>
yep
<hyper_ch>
I don't care about that
<goibhniu>
the input needs to be higher
<FRidh>
indeed
<hyper_ch>
I had to set audio levels to 150% to hear it good on my headphones... (before you bumped up volume)
<goibhniu>
oh god
<goibhniu>
sorry
<hyper_ch>
it's ok
<goibhniu>
thanks for mentioning it!
<goibhniu>
if you notice anything else, please say
<hyper_ch>
IMHO volume could use another notch up... but that's me
<goibhniu>
yeah, we need to change it at the mixer, will try to sort it out at lunch, thanks!
<hyper_ch>
well, set back volume to 100% here
<goibhniu>
that's good
<goibhniu>
how about the volume for the first talk, was that better?
<adisbladis>
Will talks be updated later?
<hyper_ch>
no idea
<adisbladis>
goibhniu: I think it was better but not great
<goibhniu>
I'm afraid we lost a bit of audio at the start of this talk :/
<makefu>
hyper_ch: ah you exported the CXX flags at the top, i think i tested with configureFlags = [ CXXFLAGS ] which also worked
<makefu>
make sure to push it upstream :D maybe i just switch to rtorrent-ps
<hyper_ch>
makefu: couldn't get it to work in configure flags because I needed to pass another path later
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<hyper_ch>
makefu: and it just didn't let me do CXXFLAGS='-Ixxxxx -Ixxxxx'
<hyper_ch>
it would escape the quotes
<hyper_ch>
when I omit them it would consider it as a seperate flag
<makefu>
i'd say your way is good, as it works :)
<hyper_ch>
:)
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<hyper_ch>
and need to figure out where rtorrent.1 is located :)
<hyper_ch>
btw, what package contains gdisk?=
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<goibhniu>
adisbladis, thanks ... just low, or other issues?
<MichaelRaskin>
Maybe there are S3 enumeration timing-based attacks?
<obadz>
MichaelRaskin: could you elaborate?
<MichaelRaskin>
You need the hash only if the cache cannot be enumerated in a few hours.
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<obadz>
can it be enumerated? that's like having directory listing permission…
<MichaelRaskin>
That's why I ask about timing sidechannel.
<hyper_ch>
why would binaries be embargoed?
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<obadz>
hyper_ch: they can be reverse engineered to find vulns
<hyper_ch>
<-- no CS background
<MichaelRaskin>
hyper_ch: binary diffs have previously been used to reconstruct exploits.
<hyper_ch>
ah ok
<hyper_ch>
no a long break
<hyper_ch>
s/no/now/
<MichaelRaskin>
obadz: Amazon doesn't give any guarantees about answer delay distribution, so I would not be surprised if a set of wrong hashes will take a different time to reject depending on how many true entries share a name prefix with them.
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* hyper_ch
is migrating an 8TB ext4 drive to an 8TB zfs pool
<joko>
hyper_ch: good luck!
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<hyper_ch>
joko: actually, since I don't have spare 8TB drives
<hyper_ch>
I just crated a zfs pool with 2x 4TB... rsyncing stuff now onto that
<hyper_ch>
once done, reformating ext4 and to zfs
<joko>
hyper_ch: duh, thought it would be more dangerous :P
<hyper_ch>
well, uinsg zfs native encryption already sets the risk high enough IMHO :)
<hyper_ch>
but slow disks - it takes forever to copy 8TB
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<hyper_ch>
why can't you buy like 100TB nvme ssds for like $100....
<srhb>
Yeah, that sucks. :P
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<MichaelRaskin>
hyper_ch: I think at such a price point it is more like «why ius it impossible to produce…»
<hyper_ch>
MichaelRaskin: I remember a 4MB ramstick costing like $ 300
<hyper_ch>
now you get 1000x as much for 1/3 of the price
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<hyper_ch>
(ok, it's like 20 something years that it took for this developement but still)
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<srhb>
grahamc: What would you like grahamcofborg to be written in?
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, try buying a 4MiB RAM module and report back what it will cost.
<hyper_ch>
I did upgrade my 486 dx6 mhz from 4mb to 8mb ram :)
<srhb>
(And thanks for the talk!)
<hyper_ch>
s/dx6/dx2/
<MichaelRaskin>
I mean, buying it today.
<hyper_ch>
:)
<MichaelRaskin>
100TiB nvme SSDs will never be cheap.
<MichaelRaskin>
By the time 100TiB will be cheap, nvme will not be the technology of choice.
<chrishill>
Hey guys, anyone have som experience with setting up a Java development environment with Eclipse and whatnot using Eclipse?
<chrishill>
I am trying to make a Nix expression to set up Eclipse, Maven, etc. and to use these things in a nix-shell
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<hyper_ch>
the samsung 960 pro 1TB costs now as much as I paid for the samsung 840 pro 512gb
<MichaelRaskin>
2× size difference is small enough to be same-tech.
<MichaelRaskin>
10×, too.
<MichaelRaskin>
100× — I don't believe it.
<MichaelRaskin>
At the very least, the marketers will not allow it to be called nvme.
<hyper_ch>
seagate has 60tb ssd
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<hyper_ch>
but that was a year ago
<rycee>
chrishill: I haven't used Eclipse from a nix-shell but in principle I guess it should work.
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, OK, you can have a 100× with same thecnology, but in the superlinear price region
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<hyper_ch>
are ssds so expensive to make?
<MichaelRaskin>
I think there is approximately one storage technology now, that can store terabytes and has ironed out fault rate and predictable reliability.
<MichaelRaskin>
This technology is called magnetic tape.
<hyper_ch>
are they as fast as ssds? :)
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] joachifm pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFIkR
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 306a0d3 xd1le: CONTRIBUTING.md: mention that the meta.license and meta.maintainers...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 4b25ecc xd1le: CONTRIBUTING.md: license should default to unfree if there is no...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 37acc1a Joachim F: Merge pull request #29668 from vyp/doc/contributing.md...
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<hyper_ch>
I only know magnetic tapes from movies like War Games
<MichaelRaskin>
Nope. They definitely take much much much longer time to trash the same amount of data.
<hyper_ch>
never seen them in /usr/bin/reallife
<MichaelRaskin>
They require initial investment.
<MichaelRaskin>
(The tapes are cheap, because the tapes per se have no active components.)
<hyper_ch>
so, time to make something to eat
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] joachifm closed pull request #29343: nixos/fileSystems: Better example path for encrypted.keyFile option (master...fix/encrypted-devices-example) https://git.io/v593d
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<hyper_ch>
tortellini heated up in alted water... then added arrabiata sauce with some tabasco to spice it up.... add pieces of mozarella and put it all into the oven
<hyper_ch>
preparations are quick, just in the oven it takes a little while
<chrishill>
rycee: Here is my Nix expression so far:
<srhb>
tokudan[m]: The build log doesn't show for you?
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<tokudan[m]>
no
<srhb>
It does here.
<tokudan[m]>
Below is the build log of derivation /nix/store/rkfx7ayc7bx9kd7whradv3dsfy1cqsmr-vm-test-run-vlan-Networking-Scripted.drv. It was built on root@packet-t2-4.
<tokudan[m]>
(Unavailable)
<srhb>
tokudan[m]: Weird. Works fine here.
<musicmatze>
Has someone got hydra running behind a nginx proxy?
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] dezgeg pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFII6
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 43e020a Tuomas Tynkkynen: giblib: Split into multiple outputs...
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<ahstro>
What's the use case of home-manager? Do I need it if I'm the only user of a system, or is it for managing multiple users on a single system?
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<rycee>
ahstro: It's useful in both those cases.
<rycee>
For the single user case you could achieve some of the things directly from the system configuration but it's not particularly convenient to, e.g., get dotfiles into your home directory.
<ahstro>
rycee: But do I need it to configure my ~? What sets it apart from just the regular nix config?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bendlas pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFIIA
<rycee>
ahstro: No, home manager is not mandatory. It is just a convenience thing that allows you to configure parts of your user environment in a way similar to your system environment.
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<rycee>
nahamu: I'm not sure what you mean by "regular nix config". If you mean `~/.config/nixpkgs/config.nix` then that only configures how Nixpkgs behaves while Home Manager is more about your user environment as a whole. For example, assisting you in installing and configuring programs.
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<ahstro>
rycee: I haven't really dug that deep into the Nix ecosystem yet, but I'm trying out NixOS on my new machine and, so far, the only nix-related tool I've used has been `nixos-rebuild` to read `/etc/nixos/configuration.nix` and build my environment from that. I'm sort of hitting a brick wall with some user env configs now though, and it looks like I might have to resort to plain old dotfiles, and was hoping to not do so.
<ahstro>
I really want to just be able to clone my nixos-config from git, symlink configuration.nix to /etc/nixos/configuration.nix, run `nixos-rebuild switch` and be done with it
<chrishill>
rycee: Sorry I was not clear. Yes the expression works, but if you uncomment the line with junit it won’t work anymore. You get the error `undefined variable ‘nixpkgs’ at …`
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<chrishill>
So the problem seems that I can’t use the attribute path of the JUnit thing. Which is weird since this works: `nix-env -i nixpkgs.javaPackages.junit_4_12`. I.e., I can install the JUnit thing with `nix-env`, but the attribute path does not work in the Nix expression in the pastebin.
<rycee>
chrishill: `nix-instantiate --eval '<nixpkgs>' -A lib.nixpkgsVersion`
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<chrishill>
rycee: "16.09.1943.25f4906da6"
<chrishill>
So yeah, I’m on an old OS
<rycee>
ahstro: Unfortunately it's not completely straight forward to do both system and user configuration at the same time at the moment. There is a branch of Home Manager that let's it act as a NixOS module. It is still experimental, though.
<rycee>
chrishill: Yeah, you definitely need to update to a later version of Nixpkgs.
<chrishill>
rycee: How do I do that? ☺ Do I just need to update some channel, or something else?
<rycee>
Are you using NixOS?
<ahstro>
rycee: Okay, thanks
<rycee>
Or just Nix installed on some other system?
<rycee>
chrishill: Basically, as root you'll need to do `nix-channel --add https://nixos.org/channels/nixos-17.09 nixos` to replace the old 16.09 channel.
<chrishill>
I guess I’ll have to finally bite the bullet. ☺ Thanks a lot for your help!
<rycee>
chrishill: You may need to be reading the change logs, I don't remember if there are any major breaking changes since 16.09.
<hyper_ch>
goibhniu: why are some listed with real names and others with irc/github nicknames?
<sphalerite>
hyper_ch: those with irc/github names didn't give their given names, I think
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<adisbladis>
Stream back on :)
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<goibhniu>
I changed some setting on the stream encoding ... is it okay?
<goibhniu>
hyper_ch: I think they come from the listing on the conf website
<hyper_ch>
don't notice a difference
<hyper_ch>
in the audio
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<goibhniu>
thanks, yeah, we didn't make much progress with the audio
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<adisbladis>
goibhniu: It's good enough now
<adisbladis>
It's not audiophile grade but it doesn't have to be :P
<adisbladis>
goibhniu: I can try to apply some filters to the video files later to apply some more gain and do some noise reduction
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFItE
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 9812bab Tuomas Tynkkynen: xorg.xf86inputlibinput: Split dev output...
<makefu>
hyper_ch: do you have this running as a systemd service?because last time i checked you still have to run rtorrent in a screen session started by systemd
<hyper_ch>
screen? iieeks
<hyper_ch>
no, it's in tmux
<hyper_ch>
and for full pyrocore support you need a few more things
<makefu>
tmux is actually what i meant :)
<makefu>
for the live stream, could you bump up the volume a bit?
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<hyper_ch>
we've been pestering goibhniu with volume a few times :)
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<goibhniu>
I'm afraid not, will try again this evening
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<adisbladis>
It's working fine now, don't touch it ;)
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Lassulus opened pull request #30890: display-managers: make lightdm the default (master...slim-lightdm) https://git.io/vFIqG
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master e05135d Herwig Hochleitner: virtualbox: expose extensionPack in meta...
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<tgunb>
hey, can someone explain me, how i am supposed to install clementinefree? it gives me (clementine:2152): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_object_unref: assertion 'object != NULL' failed
<tgunb>
Segmentation fault
<tgunb>
even though i have gst-plugins-base-0.10.36
<tgunb>
gst-plugins-good-0.10.31
<tgunb>
im on nixos.
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<tgunb>
also im kinda disappointed that it doesn't install some base dependencies on its own.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bendlas pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFIYf
<srhb>
tgunb: Especially if you can descrie how to reproduce it.
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<tgunb>
will report. i wonder who reads all the 2k issues, though...
<srhb>
tgunb: A lot of them do not get attention. I mean, it's all about volunteer work. That doesn't mean tracking them isn't worth it though. :)
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<adamt>
i just tried running "nix-env -iA nixos.clementineFree" for the heck of it, and noticed that it (of course) doesn't work here, since i don't subscribe to any nixos channels (i got a git clone instead) -- so, how do I get nix-env -iA blargh to work?
<adamt>
("error: attribute ‘nixos’ in selection path ‘nixos.clementineFree’ not found")
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<hyper_ch>
(add a nixos channel)
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<srhb>
adamt: Whats on your nixPath?
<hyper_ch>
goibhniu: can't you put the camera towards the audience?
<srhb>
adamt: If you have eg nixpkgs=/path/to/checkout, it's nix-env -iA nixpkgs.clementineFree
<hyper_ch>
just to see the huge crowd listening to the talks
<adamt>
srhb: already tried that as well :P -> "error: attribute ‘nixpkgs’ in selection path ‘nixpkgs.clementineFree’ not found"
<srhb>
adamt: What's in ~/.nix-defexpr/ ?
<srhb>
You probably want to place a symlink there like nixpkgs -> /etc/nixos/nixpkgs
<goibhniu>
hyper_ch: I'd need to get permission from everyone in advance ... and the tripod is a bit wobbly ... but I can assure you the audience is massive
<srhb>
adamt: At least if you only have channels there and you don't use channels :)
<hyper_ch>
:)
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<adamt>
srhb: right now I got this: ~/.nix-defexpr/channels/manifest.nix (empty list) and ~/.nix-defexpr/channels_root/manifest.nix (also an empty list)
<rycee>
FWIW `nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' -iA whatever` should work whether or not you're on NixOS.
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<srhb>
adamt: Yeah, make a symlink called nixpkgs in ~/.nix-defexpr/ that points to your checkout
<srhb>
I actually forgot how that worked.
<adamt>
srhb: Thanks, it works. :P
<rycee>
Something like `ln -s /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels $HOME/.nix-defexpr/channels_root` perhaps
<typeggzero>
srhb: I try fonts.fonts ty. And I also like line 11 in the pkgs script "# TODO: find another name for it."
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<srhb>
typeggzero: Hah! I hadn't noticed that. :)
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<adisbladis>
PSA: Talks are soon on, stream just started going again
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<hyper_ch>
goibhniu: on the nixcon site there's another title for the talk
<srhb>
adisbladis: \o/
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<goibhniu>
woops, thanks!
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<dieggsy>
Is there no way to explicitly show the attribute path that will be used when using "nix-env -i some-package" ?
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<srhb>
dieggsy: nix-env -qaP some-package should do it, I think
<srhb>
(And if you just don't use -i, you don't have the problem! :-))
<dieggsy>
srhb: that lists multiple, can i be _sure_ that the first in that list is the one being used?
<srhb>
dieggsy: I think so.
<srhb>
dieggsy: But really, use -iA and the attribute path.
<dieggsy>
srhb: that's not the point
<srhb>
OK.
<dieggsy>
srhb: it's not about how i install them, i'm trying ot come up with some automated way to populate some list of installed packages
<dieggsy>
srhb: i was referred to home-manager, but i'm exploring my options
<dieggsy>
or seeing if i can come up with somewhing myself
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<srhb>
dieggsy: NOt sure I perfectly understand, so bear with me, but how would you know that the first one in the list was installed even if you get a name from the currently installed ones?
<srhb>
I mean, some other attribute with the same name could have been selected.
<dieggsy>
srhb: that was basically exactly my question?
<srhb>
Ah! OK. Then the answer is, you cannot.
<dieggsy>
srhb: so then nix -qaP does _not_ list by priority
<dieggsy>
er, the first in that list will not _necessarily_ be the path used?
<srhb>
Yes, I'm just saying the reverse is not true. Once you have an installed name, you can't get back to the attribute path.
<srhb>
When you're install*ing* it is the first.
<dieggsy>
srhb: i'm confused.
<dieggsy>
srhb: is the answer to the question
<dieggsy>
"Does nix-env -qaP list by priority" yes or no?
<dieggsy>
If it is yes, then you _can_ get back to the attribute path
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<srhb>
Only under the assumption that you always installed with -i
<dieggsy>
if it is no, then the order is determened in another way (or arbitrary) and you can't get back
<srhb>
(And the attributes didn't change since then, of course)
<srhb>
Say I install something with nix-env -iA foopath.bar
<srhb>
Then I query installed packages
<srhb>
I get back a name.
<dieggsy>
srhb: Oh, I see your point.
<srhb>
Ah good :)
<dieggsy>
Darn.
<dieggsy>
I usually _do_ use 'nix-env -i' but i don't suppose i _always_ do
<dieggsy>
That's unfortunate.
<dieggsy>
srhb: so then, there's no way to "back up" installed packages automatically short of home-manager (which i don't really think i ilke atm)
<dieggsy>
srhb: i suppose i don't mean "back up". I mean, get a list of installed packages by attribute path such that i can install those same packages on another computer in the future
<dieggsy>
automatically
<srhb>
dieggsy: I was thinking that you just need the path in /nix/store as long as that is still available from somewhere. Of course, that doesn't help you if it isn't.
<dieggsy>
srhb: but the path in /nix/store doesn't give you attribute names
<srhb>
No, indeed.
<dieggsy>
srhb: hmm. welp. Thanks for entertaining my (perhaps ignorant) conversation
<srhb>
dieggsy: How about just making a metapackage bunding your things?
<srhb>
dieggsy: It's more light-weight than home-manager (which I assume is your complaint?) but still gives you the *list*
<dieggsy>
srhb: sure, but that has to be updated manually
<srhb>
Yeah..
<dieggsy>
which is fine, i'm just exploring the automatic option
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* srhb
nods
<srhb>
Sorry, I have no good suggestions.
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<dieggsy>
which i guess there is no deterministic one anyway
<srhb>
Not that I know of.
<hyper_ch>
is it just me or does edolstra's avatar really suit him?
<dieggsy>
srhb: that's a shame, since nix is all about reproducibility
<MichaelRaskin>
You can just write a buildEnv expression and nix-env --set it.
<MichaelRaskin>
Or just nix-build it.
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: explain?
<MichaelRaskin>
nix-env -i is far from the only way of using Nix packages.
<srhb>
inb4 wrapping some command that adds or removes from a list in a file. :-)
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: sure. But that doesn't get at automatically updating a list of what's installed
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: or are you suggesting doing installs _from_ the list
<MichaelRaskin>
The correct reproducible way is that the list is in a VCS, and then used for installation.
<pxc>
idk whose stream I'm watching from the conference today because the YouTube videos are currently unlabeled, but I love that we're looking to the Open Build Service as a source of inspiration for how customizing Nixpkgs and NixOS could be more user-friendly
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: and that list is the source of truth then, so i'd never nix-env -i 'package-name' i'd just update the list and refer to it
<MichaelRaskin>
Yes.
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: i feel dumb now. thank you, that helps.
<dieggsy>
srhb: I thought about it lol
<MichaelRaskin>
Erm. That was not an intention.
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: is there a way to use such a list/custom package without renistalling everything every time?
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: that is, when i update it, will i have to reinstall every _other_ package in it too
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, if it wasn't updated, it doesn't get reinstalled.
<MichaelRaskin>
I prefer to have a single-Nixpkgs-state build of all my environments
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: could you describe in more detail
<MichaelRaskin>
but at some point I have written a moderately buggy tool that allows you to have a partially out of date package set
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, reinstalling a package that has not been changed in Nixpkgs is cheap.
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: nix-env does seem to be rebuilding things though.
<MichaelRaskin>
Maybe they _were_ updated.
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: i'm fairly certain some werent
<dieggsy>
hmm, i'll try it twice. If it doesn't rebuild the second time around, you must be right
<MichaelRaskin>
Maybe their dependencies were/
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: good point
<MichaelRaskin>
But I generally prefer a consistent view, so I put up with that, or build a small environment for a single use if I want something Right Now™
<MichaelRaskin>
There is a way to have something that allows adding without updating.
<dieggsy>
MichaelRaskin: so to be clear, if i nix-env -f some-list.nix -i twice, presumably the second time eerything is updated and it won't just go reinstalling everything
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<MichaelRaskin>
I would actually use --set instead of -i
<MichaelRaskin>
Write an expression that calls buildEnv itself, --set it, so you know no old leftovers are there.
<sphalerite>
any difiference between --set and -ir?
<sphalerite>
oh right --set needs to get a single derivation I'm guessing
<imagio>
I would like to package ksnapshot so I can take screenshots but am unsure of how to package kde apps. Ksnapshot is in neither pkgs/applications/kde/srcs.nix or pkgs/desktops/plasma-5/srcs.nix. Any tips on how to proceed?
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<hyper_ch>
imagio: I switched to spectacle as snapshot tool in kde
<imagio>
Ah, thank you, I didn't know that existed
<hyper_ch>
imagio: it's pretty much the same
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<hyper_ch>
only thing I have to complain about is if I export to gimp
<hyper_ch>
take another screen shot and export to gimp again
<hyper_ch>
it opens a whole new gimp instead of just "attaching" a second tab to the existing gimp
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<imagio>
Just for my curiosity do you know how I would go about adding a new kde app like ksnapshot? I added pkgs/applications/kde/ksnapshot.nix then ran ./maintainers/scripts/fetch-kde-qt.sh pkgs/applications/kde/ but it did not fetch ksnapshot to srcs.nix
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<FRidh>
imagio: ksnapshot has long ago been replaced by spectacle
<FRidh>
in any case, that approach you took is good in case the application is distributed as part of the KDE Applications
<imagio>
I didn't know that, thanks
<Orbstheorem>
Hi, I'm starting to work woth nixos. I tryed added a new package to my configuration.nix and then ran nixos-rebuild switch. My graphical session crashed and now I see a blinking cursor but no tty. Changing the tty (C-M-{1-7}) won't give a login prompt, am I supposed not to run nixos-switch from a graphical session?
<Orbstheorem>
Sysrq works though
<ylwghst>
Orbstheorem: you could run nixos-switch from anywhere
<ylwghst>
Orbstheorem: which dekstop you've declared?
<FRidh>
Orbstheorem: if you reboot you will see a list with your previous configurations. You could boot into an older config and then do a rollback
<Yaniel>
most of the time rebuilding from a graphical session is perfectly fine
<Yaniel>
if you change stuff like your desktop environments or graphics drivers, however...
<ylwghst>
Orbstheorem: and which GPU you have? which driver do you use?
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<Orbstheorem>
ylwghst: gnome3
<Orbstheorem>
I did sysrq+e and got a login console
<Orbstheorem>
Restarting display-manager got me back a graphical session
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<Orbstheorem>
ylwghst: i915(intel) + nouveau (as sink provider source)
<ylwghst>
Orbstheorem: you can build with: nixos-rebuild boot
<ylwghst>
this will not activate your a new generation (changes you have made to configuration.nix) until you reboot so reboot is necessary to activate new build
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<Orbstheorem>
ylwghst: just did
<Orbstheorem>
Thabks
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<tgunb>
i want to install xfce.terminal 0.8.3 but nixos provides only 0.6.3. so i put xfce.terminal = pkgs.xfce.terminal.overrideAttrs (oldAttrs: rec {
<tgunb>
ver_maj = "0.8"; }); in .config/nixpkgs/config.nix and expected to get a wrong hash warning. but instead nix-env -iA nixos.xfce.terminal fetched 0.6.3 sources and built it. how can i get nix to reevaluate src.url?
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<symplectico>
When I run 'nix-env -f "<nixpkgs>" -qaP -A emacsPackagesNg.melpaPackages' I get the error 'error: attribute ‘ess-R-object-popup’ missing, at /nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/root/channels/nixos/pkgs/applications/editors/emacs-modes/melpa-packages.nix:76:28'. Any suggestions what I can do about that?
<tgunb>
CrazedProgrammer: thanks. how do i override it? src = fetchurl {url..; sha256..;}; ? this throws an error because fetchurl is not known. how do i imort it?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] NeQuissimus pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFIEE
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master e76d8af Tim Steinbach: linux-copperhead: 4.13.9.a -> 4.13.10.a
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<noobly>
I'm trying to run a simple bash script. Shebang is "#!/bin/bash", but I'm getting an interpreter error. Does the path need to be different in NixOS?
<ylwghst>
noobly: use #!/bin/sh
<hyper_ch>
noobly: no, use #!/usr/bin/env bash
<tgunb>
noobly: try ls /bin. do you see bash there?
<hyper_ch>
ylwghst: sh and bash are not the same
<noobly>
ok one sec, I'll try those
<hyper_ch>
noobly: because of atomic updates things are not at default location but all in /nix/store/[hash ...]/.....
<noobly>
after ls /bin I get sh
<hyper_ch>
so when you boot into a generation, it will symlink all the stuff to /run/current-system/....
<noobly>
hyper_ch: ty, got it!
<ylwghst>
hyper_ch: you're right but runs everywhere
<hyper_ch>
however you can still access bash by the env variabel, so use #!/usr/bin/env bash
<hyper_ch>
ylwghst: debian by default is dash
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<CrazedProgrammer>
tgunb: try pkgs.fetchurl , your config.nix file should have pkgs in the argument list
<hyper_ch>
so /bin/sh on debian is dash and not bash
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<hyper_ch>
and I'm pretty sure there are distros out there that use zsh or ksh as /bin/sh
<tgunb>
thanks
<tgunb>
dang, now the build fails because of gtk+-3 missing. im giving up. ill just wait(tm) until nix-stable updates it...
<hyper_ch>
tgunb: do you happen to live nearby-Munich?
<tgunb>
nope
<hyper_ch>
too bad... you could have gone to nixconf tomorrow and tell them nobody leaves before your problem isn't solved ;)
<tilpner>
firas - Just "cat /path/to/iso > /dev/sdx"
<hyper_ch>
firas: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdx
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<tilpner>
(Or "pv </path/to/iso >/dev/sdx" if you want a progress bar and have pv)
<firas>
hyper_ch: ah ok,
<ArdaXi[m]>
I'd recommend dd over bash, but cat might work
<hyper_ch>
firas: well, my config does disable nvidia
<firas>
hyper_ch: disable the module or turns off the card?
<hyper_ch>
progress can also be shown with dd: dd if=/... of=/... status=progress
<firas>
I'm in freebsd so no bash for me xD
<hyper_ch>
firas: pretty much so
<firas>
and no status=progress xD
<firas>
hyper_ch: nice
<ArdaXi[m]>
pkill -USR1 dd should still work though
<tilpner>
You shouldn't need bash
<hyper_ch>
I have no need for the nvidia card
<firas>
hyper_ch: likewise
<imagio>
I'm trying to package x-plane 11 using buildFHSUserEnv, I have the installer running but when launching x-plane the display changes resolutions then I get the following output https://pastebin.com/DY0PQbpU and here is my derivation https://pastebin.com/vJVkLVCu I'm pretty new to nix, any idea where I might be going wrong?
<firas>
ok wish me luck going to try the live usb atm
<firas>
thanks so much for the support
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<tilpner>
imagio - You could start with the Steam chroot, xplane should work in that. Then remove libraries until it doesn't work anymore
<tilpner>
imagio - Running the output of your expression brings up an installer window? Does that show for you too?
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<imagio>
Yes, the installer works fine. Once you have installed the demo you can click "fly x-plane demo", that is when the application fails
<imagio>
I tried to add all of the libs from the steam chroot that I thought would be relevant but that does not seem to help
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<tilpner>
Try adding the gtk3 related libs too
<imagio>
hmm I have added every dep from the steam chroot (except obviously unneeded ones like mono and python) and the behavior remains the same
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<imagio>
x-plane shouldn't depend on gtk, qt, or any other libraries like that, it draws all of its own UI in 3d in the application
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<pstn>
Is there a glibc included?
<pstn>
That error happens when you use a new mesa with an old c library.
<imagio>
I added glibc to the targetPkgs, no change
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<pstn>
Does xplane ship it's own libraries? If so, remove stdlibc++.so*
<imagio>
i don't think it ships its own libraries
<pstn>
Ah, my bad. I thought it was a binary build.
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<gilligan_>
o/
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<rycee>
roosemberth: I think `user_readenv=1` is the default so you wouldn't need to change anything.
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<AndChat146900>
Why is my download speed with nixos-install so low (~30KB/s)?
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<sphalerite>
rycee: "By default this option is off as user supplied environment variables in the PAM environment could affect behavior of subsequent modules in the stack without the consent of the system administrator. "
<rycee>
Linus: Hmm. I saw "Turns on or off the reading of the user specific environment file. 0 is off, 1 is on. By default this option is on."
<sphalerite>
AndChat146900: probably local issues with cloudfront. Whereabouts are you?
<rycee>
roosemberth: In any case, I'm pretty sure it is either on or off by default :-)
<AndChat146900>
What?
<sphalerite>
rycee: I just looked up the manpage online so yours is probably more reliable :p
<sphalerite>
AndChat146900: where in the world are you?
<AndChat146900>
Syria
<rycee>
Linus: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is on by default. Home Manager let's you set session variables using `~/.pam_environment` and I don't recall having to do anything special.
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<infinisil>
I returned to the hotel in one piece gchristensen :)
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] iblech opened pull request #30906: treewide: use https addresses where possible (master...https-links-where-possible) https://git.io/vFI6B
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<lfish_>
hello. In error messages related with nix-* tools I'm getting "â" instead of the offending expression. I think it has to do with this http://lpaste.net/359609 , though I'm not really sure.
<lfish_>
E.g $ nix-shell -p not-a-package --pure '> error: undefined variable â at (string)...'
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<sphalerite>
AndChat146900: yeah then maybe it's just that CloudFront doesn't serve your region very well. I don't really know though, sorry
<gilligan_>
(#66 is open since 2012 - it's the oldest issue on nixpkgs right now ;)
<disasm>
tanonym: nix-env -qa chromium
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<AndChat146900>
Nvm it is fast now ;)
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<sphalerite>
lfish_: I can't access lpaste.net because of UK mobile data content blocking bullshit, could you maybe repaste it somewhere else?
<sphalerite>
In any case, at the first glance it looks like an issue I had with disk corruption, a stuck bit or something, which was screwing up all the output.
<LnL>
gilligan_: seems like that should be closed, no?
<sphalerite>
You may want to try running nix-store --verify --check-contents or something like that (can't remember if that's the exact command and I'm on my phone, check the nix-store manpage if that doesn't work
<gilligan_>
LnL, yep. that is what I am saying
<disasm>
LnL: that's both mine and gilligan_ thoughts
<sphalerite>
Hi disasm :p
<gilligan_>
we just don't have permissions to close issues ;-)
<sphalerite>
You at the social?
<disasm>
Hi sphalerite :)
<disasm>
sphalerite: we left around 10ish to come back to the hotel and hack :) (was at the original one)
<LnL>
disasm: gilligan_: done :)
<gilligan_>
LnL, \o/
<disasm>
thanks LnL
<gilligan_>
off to the next oldest nixpkgs issue ;-)
<gilligan_>
"/bin/sh" -> ${stdenv.shell}
<sphalerite>
disasm: sounds good, shame I missed it
<tanonym>
Okay so it has to be a lower-case a as an option.
<sphalerite>
gilligan_: trying to ruin globin 's stats? :p
<gilligan_>
sphalerite, ;-)
<lfish_>
sphalerite: I was rather lazy at pasting that, after a nixos-rebuild switch with other options the behaviour is the same. I'll look into the nix-store thing, thanks
<disasm>
sphalerite: that's the goal :)
<sphalerite>
Hehe
<disasm>
I remember that issue sphalerite... wasn't there a nix package you removed from the store and ran rebuild again to fix?
<roosemberth>
rycee: pam userenv is on by defautl :)
<sphalerite>
disasm: no, it was an issue I fixed by snapping the SD card in half and using a different one :D
<roosemberth>
But setting XDG variables in my pam_environment prevents gnome3 from starting.
<roosemberth>
does anyone of you uses a custom XDG directory location?
<sphalerite>
disasm: not sure the snapping the SD card in half part was strictly necessary but I was curious to see how that would go. And maybe it scared the other one into compliance
<sphalerite>
I do remember having issues with Plasma after moving my user's .cache to a separate zfs dataset, but that was fixed by fixing the ownership on it
<sphalerite>
Oh, they left...
<Orbstheorem>
roosemberth is my nickname in my computer
<Orbstheorem>
I'm still here :) sphalerite
<sphalerite>
Oh okOK
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<kmcia>
hello
<kmcia>
been a few years since I looked at Nix -- does it have some package signing feature like Debian?
<MichaelRaskin>
What is package signing?
<MichaelRaskin>
Hydra signs that binary packages correspond to source code.
<sphalerite>
kmcia: not source packages, but binary packages can (from 1.12) be signed as originating from a particular derivation
<sphalerite>
Independently starting from 1.12 that is. They've been signed in binary caches for ages
<kmcia>
ok
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<disasm>
pierron and everyone else: gilligan_ and I were discussing the confusion pointed out in overlays. What we were thinking might fix it would be using the terminology previous and final instead of super and self. That would be because super is nixpkgs state prior to the current (or previous) of nixpkgs and final is really the state of nixpkgs after all overlays have been applied.
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<musicmatze>
What Profpatsch is telling right now: We want that in nixpkgs!
<musicmatze>
I, as a packager, would love to have that infrastructure for tests!
<sphalerite>
disasm: isn't it after the *current* overlay has been applied?
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<sphalerite>
musicmatze: right now? It was quite a few hours ago :p
<musicmatze>
sphalerite: it is in the live stream on youtube right now
<sphalerite>
Huh weird :)
<disasm>
sphalerite: sphalerite if it is, the documentation is wrong: The first argument (self) corresponds to the final package set.
<sphalerite>
disasm: I think that's a matter of interpretation — maybe not *wrong* wrong, but certainly unclear enough that the two of us have interpreted it in different, conflicting ways :p
<sphalerite>
I interpreted it as final from just the one overlay's perspective
<sphalerite>
So more of a "before/after" thing
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<sphalerite>
Although actually now that I think about it, we are thinking of the same thing. Just in different ways
<gilligan_>
sphalerite, i also thought that it would mean the *final* thing after all overlays have been applied
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] kierdavis opened pull request #30908: boinc service: use an FHS environment (master...boinc-fhs) https://git.io/vFIXH
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<sphalerite>
Just that I was considering it as the next overlay then goes back and fiddles with stuff again
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] kierdavis closed pull request #21890: boinc service: optionally use a FHS environment (master...boinc-service) https://git.io/vMVhJ
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<sphalerite>
Yeah our interpretations work out to the same thing in the end, I think
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<LnL>
it's before and final AFAIK
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] ylwghst opened pull request #30909: wxwidgets: fix assertion using hide in destroy (master...wxwidgets) https://git.io/vFI1m
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<sphalerite>
pierron: also re your talk - do you have any opinion on the use of rec {...} in all-packages.nix? I think that damages interaction with overlays, doesn't it? Do you think it would make sense to port over the change from triton that fixes this?
<sphalerite>
LnL: or maybe it's a with self; which is an entirely different matter
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<LnL>
ah yes, I think most of the attrsets like that currently have their own fixpoint
<LnL>
same with haskellPackages, etc.
<sphalerite>
Right
<sphalerite>
I'm guessing that plays along fine with overlays?
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<gilligan_>
issue from 2013 that hasn't seen an update for over a year: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/1424 - "Purity problems with /bin/sh --- an example in NixPkgs" -- Does anyone have any idea if this is still a problem/what the status is?
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<sphalerite>
LnL: you're Daiderd Jordan, right? I think I've seen you briefly at the conference but we haven't talked yet
<LnL>
not exactly, ideally everything would go through the same fixpoint
<LnL>
yep that's me
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<disasm>
yeah, I need to make a list of IRC names of people I haven't met yet and scope them out tomorrow (or during the hack days) before people leave.
<sphalerite>
The name tags are really nice but don't lend themselves to being written on
<disasm>
lol, yeah :)
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<gilligan_>
right - everyone should print out a checklist and make sure to shake everyone's hand at least once ;-D
<sphalerite>
(Seriously though really nice. It's a treasured possession of mine and I'm probably going to wear it at other conferences cause it's so awesome)
<sphalerite>
gilligan_: hope nobody's ill lol
<disasm>
yeah, so much better than hello my name is sticky labels.
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<sphalerite>
Might just start wearing it all the time :p
<sphalerite>
OK maybe that would be pushing it
<sphalerite>
Also magnets are probably the best way ever for fastening name tags
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<sphalerite>
Anyway, I should probably sleep
<sphalerite>
Gnight folks, see a bunch of you tomorrow!
<gilligan_>
LnL, because i definitely think this is way too generic/vague and not overly useful
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<LnL>
dunno, there's a bunch of stuff that I think of right away
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<disasm>
LnL: could you brain dump some things in that issue so there's some action items people could address at the hackathon?
<LnL>
there's some basic stuff like use $CC/cc instead gcc etc.
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<gilligan_>
LnL, but it's a "oh it would be nice if there was some documentation ticket" - nothing has happened in years. Nothing is going to happen for several more years with that ticket just laying around
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<LnL>
first time I've seen it, I'll write a small section for the manual tomorrow or during the hackathon
<gilligan_>
LnL, yes.. because i'm going through issues oldest first.. that's the way to find issues like this one hehe
<disasm>
LnL: thanks!
<LnL>
exactly! :)
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<MichaelRaskin>
sphalerite: you ask as if any of the listed changes there is not useful to port.
<disasm>
fpletz: loving git worktree for nixpkgs :)
<MoreTea>
disasm: yes, I found about worktress only like two weeks ago. They're awesome :3
<disasm>
MoreTea: yeah, so much easier to see what I'm PRs I'm working on
<gilligan_>
going through all these old issues I really think that ppl should avoid creating "collection tickets" that have a huge list of checkboxes and a way too big scope. There are plenty of those to be discovered going through the oldest nixpkgs issues -- It is painful to even figure out which parts of the big scope of a ticket are still relevant at all
<MoreTea>
I actually wrote a script that set up a local origin to have this exact workflow.
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<gilligan_>
also ppl are much less likely to touch issues like these because you just get scared off by all the work involved to figure out current status
<gilligan_>
IMHO issues should expire at some point and then be "garbage collected" by a bot closing them
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<gilligan_>
am I being too pragmatic?
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, we actually need some tracker separation.
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<MichaelRaskin>
With a real issue tracker that wouldn't be that much of a problem.
<gilligan_>
actually the issue i linked is still a "good one" because almost all of the checkboxes *actually* reference some existing issue. That's not always the case
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<MichaelRaskin>
There are «I also want a pony» issues, there are «subsystem improvement drive» issues, there are «likely to be fixed in code without closing the issue issues», there are «actual long-term issue that requires planning over time and a fix in some future»
<LnL>
ugh, cffi tests
<joepie91>
strong vote against garbage collection; sometimes issues just take a long time to resolve, and it seriously discourages reporters when their issues are closed without a human ever finalizing it
<joepie91>
you probably want a triage queue instead
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<joepie91>
ie. "this stuff hasn't seen activity for a while, somebody should figure out what its current status is" and then a human inspecting whether it's still relevant or not
<joepie91>
(if there's a concrete list of such issues, I'd happily volunteer to triage some amount of them, but I don't have the time to seek them out)
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<kiloreux>
I am generating binary-caches with nix-push. But the priority is not included in the nix-cache-info file. Would it be okay to add it manually ?
<kiloreux>
Or is there a systematic way to add it ?
<joepie91>
(for context, I often talk to people who encounter bugs but don't file them to understand why not, because it relates to a project I'm working on, and the top two reasons for people not reporting bugs turn out to be 1) bug tracker is not accessible enough / easy enough to use, and 2) "they'll just get auto-closed anyway")
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<tanonym>
Does anyone know how to get weechat not to screw up links? If it goes beyond a single line weechat breaks it up and mangles it because the colums are faked rather than how you'd expect them to be in LibreOffice for example.
<symphorien>
/window bare
<symphorien>
press any key to revert to normal display
<symphorien>
according to the doc it is bound to Alt-L but it doesn't work for me
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] dezgeg pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFID3
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 8ac360e Tuomas Tynkkynen: libid3tag: Split into multiple outputs
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master e514447 Tuomas Tynkkynen: geoclue2: Split into multiple outputs
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 90e8e0b Tuomas Tynkkynen: geoclue: Split into multiple outputs
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<firas>
wow nixos is amazing so far! Kudos to all the devs
<firas>
BTW is there any guide on how to setup bumblebee?
<firas>
what should I put in my configuration.nix?
<tanonym>
It's pretty cool. NixOS got me using Linux on my low-spec notebook regularly again. :)
<tanonym>
What's bumblebee?
<MichaelRaskin>
firas: do you want nvidia drivers as opposed to nouveau?
<firas>
MichaelRaskin, Yes please
<firas>
tanonym, roughly an optimus replacement for linux (a rough explanation)
<MichaelRaskin>
If you are not in wheel, set hardware.bumblebee.group
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<firas>
I've tried freebsd, openbsd, dragonflybsd, gentoo, funtoo, exherbo... NixOS is by far my favorite of all...
<MichaelRaskin>
Actually, just try — without bumblebee — xrandr --listproviders
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<MichaelRaskin>
Hm, looking at your list…
<firas>
thanks MichaelRaskin
<MichaelRaskin>
We'll see what happens after you encounter some systemd policy.
<firas>
autistic list xD
<MichaelRaskin>
(the problem is that they change with each update)
<firas>
well I've tried s6, runit, rc, openrc, sysvinit
<firas>
ouch xD
<MichaelRaskin>
That's the problem, all the systems you list have actual init systems.
<MichaelRaskin>
And not this abomination.
<firas>
well I've tried archlinux for a while tho as well as archlinux but at the time I favored gentoo over arch so I didn't get to know systemd well xD
<firas>
where does the hate come from xD
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, some people like it.
<MichaelRaskin>
So it got to be the only supported init in NixOS eventually.
<MichaelRaskin>
NixOS does quite a good job at not making you do anything with systemd directly.
<tanonym>
I used to use Arch Linux, until I took a break from using the machine for a while, came back and had an update run and break my system completely. Then when I tried to reinstall following their instructions and failed, went for help on the IRC channels and got nothing but "RTFM" and told to stop being a help vampire even after listing everything I tried and consulted... :S
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<MichaelRaskin>
firas: I think this is the default anyway
<firas>
MichaelRaskin, ok cool, if I wanted bbswitch/primus should I add another setting?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] abbradar pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vFIDV
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master c9ac187 Nikolay Amiantov: tbb: 4.4-u2 -> 2018_U1, merge with libtbb...
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<MichaelRaskin>
Maybe you would need to set pmMethod.
<MichaelRaskin>
primus should be included
<firas>
alright thanks a lot for the help
<MichaelRaskin>
But do run xrandr --listproviders
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<MichaelRaskin>
Before changing to Bumblebee
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<MichaelRaskin>
It may be that you have access to the easier way
<firas>
is there an easier way xD coming from gentoo I don't think it gets easier than that lol
<firas>
hang on
<MichaelRaskin>
Gentoo? Not even A/B LFS?
<firas>
I don't have full day electricity so I can't risk a LFS installation xD
<MichaelRaskin>
(but to be honest I have never used much of the BSD side)
<firas>
MichaelRaskin, I wouldn't recommend the BSDs to any desktop user...
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, with ALFS it is not that bad.
<firas>
ALFS, BLFS sound good
<MichaelRaskin>
A/B LFS — you need both
<MichaelRaskin>
(Automated LFS + Beyond LFS while still using Automated)
<firas>
welp I can get my gentoo slimmer and up and running before these too xD
<MichaelRaskin>
OK, if you do nothing you can already have DRI PRIME
<MichaelRaskin>
Do you have nouveau or nvidia loaded now?
<firas>
nouveau
<firas>
will it be blacklisted automagically? along with nvidia drm kms etc...?
<MichaelRaskin>
Ah. Well, you could start with loading only nvidia and checking if you would still have two providers
<MichaelRaskin>
Bumblebee blacklists both, yes
<firas>
ah ok
<firas>
hang on
<MichaelRaskin>
Because if you have two providers with the desired drivers, you could configure offloading using xrandr
<MichaelRaskin>
And set DRI_PRIME=1 when you want to use nvidia for rendering
<tokudan[m]>
just checking out the livestreams from nixcon: the audio is extremely low... I've got vlc set to 125% and everything else too 100% and it's barely audible
<disasm>
tokudan[m]: I would assume those will get remastered at some point and hopefully broken up my talk instead of all named live stream. Live audio is hard to get right on the fly in a room not setup for it.
<tokudan[m]>
well, probably not possible to expect the same as for the chaos communication congress
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<firas>
will system wide proxies work with nix-env
<LnL>
firas: networking.proxy.httpProxy should work, unless that doesn't reload the daemon
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<Dezgeg>
maybe we are solving a wrong problem? is the link to the nvidia site still valid? ;)
<firas>
I'm receiving a 403 error not a 404
<Dezgeg>
that is odd then, since it's presumably the server returning that (it's over https) and the links do work for me...
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<codygman>
I'm doing a new install of nixos. In my configuration.nix I have boot.loader.gummiboot = true. After I do nixos-install I would expect efibootmgr to have my boot entry but I do not see it.