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<worldofpeace> Yeah I'm not sure either, I'd probably have to ask why they do this. I might diff the fork.
<__red__> worldofpeace: I'm guessing I made the all the changes you requested? Making sure there isn't anything else pending that I missed?
<worldofpeace> meh, unplesant https://github.com/linuxmint/cjs/issues/69. I guess it comes down to control of the integration (dependencies) Jan Tojnar.
<{^_^}> linuxmint/cjs#69 (by jbicha, 1 year ago, closed): Port cjs to mozjs60
<worldofpeace> __red__: I don't think there's anything pending. I can look it over again tomorrow 👍️
<__red__> Thanks - no rush. I have many Gig currently streaming to tape so it's not like I can nixos-reload for a while
<__red__> :-)
<__red__> man, not being able to proceed because you have to have stuff backported because two pieces of software have different version requirements on a dependency?
<__red__> if only there were a package manager, or linux distribution that would let you set a different version for dependancy for each of those packages so they could just coexist?
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<jtojnar> worldofpeace what kind of reasoning is that “Debian is crap so we will not support newer version of our dependencies”
<drakonis> jtojnar: the same kind of reasoning that thinks debian stable is the one true debian
<drakonis> an excuse for only checking in and updating every 2 to 6 years
<jtojnar> 🤮️
<drakonis> met some folks that develop using node that aren't pleased at debian for shipping the ancient lts version
<qyliss> I get really confused by the attitude of hating Debian for doing what Debian is designed to do
<qyliss> If you want up to date versionshy not just use another distribution?
<drakonis> to be fair, its some of the really weird packaging practices
<qyliss> *versions, why
<jtojnar> it is dragging us all down to the past 😱️
<drakonis> if i run debian testing or unstable, i'd at least expect to not have so much friction with getting fresher packages
<drakonis> stable is fine-ish
<drakonis> debian experimental has the absolute new lts releases of things
<drakonis> which is kind of baffling, really.
<drakonis> debian unstable has the previous lts
<qyliss> RHEL/CentOS is dragging us to the past
<qyliss> Debian is middle ground by comparison
<qyliss> drakonis: that makes sense to me. They're never going to ship non-LTS versions, so why bother?
<drakonis> its kinda bad for fast moving languages but eh
<drakonis> the annoying thing is ubuntu is based on debian
<drakonis> and its lts releases last longer than debian's
<drakonis> it makes debian's choices far more painful than necessary because they propagate to ubuntu for nearly a decade
<drakonis> not to mention canonical's own choices
<drakonis> ubuntu 20.04 will be supported until 2030
<drakonis> boo.
<drakonis> also bad debian things is that all of a sudden, important packages will suddenly stop being updated or be subject to strange chains of events
<drakonis> but that's perhaps not unique to it
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<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: the most dissonant reasoning when it comes to having to port that software to other distributions
<worldofpeace> I'm not sure how cinnamon can be distro agnostic. Might have to see how Fedora copes with it as an official spin.
<jtojnar> I would just add meta.knowVulnerabilities to spidermonkey 60 and try to port everything to latest (non-ESR)
<jtojnar> these LTS releases are just vulnerability traps
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<__red__> pretty much
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<yorick> the following issues can be closed since the packages they are about no longer appear in {nixos-unstable,nixos-19.09}: https://gist.github.com/yorickvP/144868d92b8a639e4454bd0d72b6771c
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<jtojnar> I kind of like the LibreOffice terminilogy unstable → fresh, stable → stale
<jtojnar> s/stale/still/
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<Profpatsch> infinisil: do you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour, https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/74642
<{^_^}> #74642 (by Profpatsch, 4 days ago, open): pkgs/build-support/trivial-builders: add runCommandLocal
<Profpatsch> If you approve, I’ll merge.
<Profpatsch> I decided to keep the NoCCLocal variant for now, just so that it’s not surprising to people still using NoCC
<Profpatsch> We can remove everything in one go if/once we deprecate
<Profpatsch> Though I don’t see a good reason to
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<gchristensen> dang yorick, nice!
<yorick> gchristensen: some of these are backporting pr's, though
<yorick> I should check the target branch
<yorick> okay, updated
<jtojnar> Woo yorick, how did you make it?
<jtojnar> Also closed gnomeExtensions.appindicator: 29 -> 30
<yorick> jtojnar: a bunch of evil bash scripting, I'll polish it a bit and release it
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<yorick> updated with the latest bumping pull-request
<yorick> (not neccesarily the one that made it obsolete, but that's haard)
<yorick> https://gist.github.com/yorickvP/9acd0398651ff8594116b6d76755c4fb writing bash code is so easy, so seductive, why fix anything when you can get instant results
<yorick> but good luck looking at this tomorrow, future me :D
<gchristensen> god speed, future yorick
<infinisil> Profpatsch: Hm I'm still not a fan of keeping it, but I don't want to block because of this, feel free to merge
<Profpatsch> infinisil: well, if you move your changes requested to approve, I’ll merged :)
<Profpatsch> -d
<infinisil> Ah yes :)
<drakonis> rfc approved yet?
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<rnhmjoj> could someone take a look at pr #71473? it has already been reviewed and i have been fixing merge conflicts for a month...
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/71473 (by rnhmjoj, 6 weeks ago, open): nixos: unify virtual console options
<gchristensen> i don't really like adding new top level attribute sets like "console", but not sure a different one fits it better
<rnhmjoj> gchristensen: if you propose something better i'll happily move the attributes. however i didn't find any existing top-level attribute suitable
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<ckauhaus> Hi, a quick Hydra question
<ckauhaus> (gscan2pdf as part of a recent security update)
<ckauhaus> I cannot reproduce this locally - when I do that on my machine, everything works
<ckauhaus> what can I do to nail the issue down
<ckauhaus> ?
<gchristensen> probably just needs to restart, like maybe the machine died and hydra didn't realize it for a long time
<gchristensen> just restarted it
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<ckauhaus> thanks!
<ckauhaus> got stuck at "t/165_import_with_spaces.t"... don't know if it succeed this time
<ckauhaus> let's wait a bit
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<ckauhaus> https://hydra.nixos.org/build/107786395 seems to run reproducible into a timeout on Hydra
<ckauhaus> need to have a look into this tomorrow
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<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: I guess this PR means we could drop our patch to mutter https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/923/diffs
<jtojnar> neat
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