gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS 19.09 is released! https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-19-09-release/4306 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 19.09 RMs: disasm, sphalerite; 20.03: worldofpeace, disasm | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
<{^_^}> firing: RFC39MaintainerSync: https://status.nixos.org/prometheus/alerts
<gchristensen> also ^
<{^_^}> resolved: RFC39MaintainerSync: https://status.nixos.org/prometheus/alerts
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<gchristensen> https://status.nixos.org/grafana/d/w8HHOCBWz/rfc39-maintainer-sync <- has some data it didn't before
<aanderse> thanks gchristensen !
<gchristensen> the "GitHub API Failures" bit is ... interesting
<gchristensen> message: "Due to U.S. trade controls law restrictions, we are unable to provide this feature for the invited user. Please read about GitHub and Trade Controls at https://help.github.com/articles/github-and-trade-controls for more information.\n",
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<danderson> sounds like someone's getting geocoded to iran/cuba/etc.
<infinisil> After thinking and developing this module dependency idea some more, I think this would work really well!
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<infinisil> It would integrate with Flakes really well too I think
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<gchristensen> some people were removed from the github maintainer group because they don't have githubId set, btw
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<gchristensen> hrm
<gchristensen> okay. so, rfc39 has caught up. here are some relevant stats: https://status.nixos.org/grafana/d/w8HHOCBWz/rfc39-maintainer-sync?orgId=1&from=now-1h&to=now&refresh=30s
<gchristensen> the mismatches and missing data ones are interesting, and many are tricky to solve
<gchristensen> you can't just go look up github handles and assume it is right, instead you have to see if the maintainer data was added by them -- because a *shocking* number of github users rename their accounts
<gchristensen> (I added a note in the (i) tooltip about how to handle those)
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<gchristensen> anyone around to give me some feedback on something?
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<lovesegfault> gchristensen: I am
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<drakonis> there's a clear miscommunication problem regarding nix and nixos, people seem to think that nix uses haskell
<drakonis> rather than nixlang
<samueldr> what do you suggest can help?
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<drakonis> i think it is the strong association of haskell with functional languages that causes this
<drakonis> would be best to clarify the language used
<drakonis> because it is vaguely called the nix language and it isnt brought up a whole lot
<drakonis> on the website that is
<simpson> What's the problem? Haskellers have had silly memes for a long time, and reasoned arguments have failed to improve the situation.
<drakonis> well, its that people think they need to learn haskell to use nix
<drakonis> and that precludes usage of nix itself
<drakonis> prevents
<drakonis> s/precludes/prevents
<drakonis> as folks may get hung up on that and never get onto using nix
<samueldr> do we know how they come to the conclusion?
<simpson> Sure, but *why* do people think that? Is it something that we're saying, or is it something that Haskellers are saying amongst themselves?
<samueldr> I've seen the (weak) association you describe, but it looks like it's more from haskellers using nix telling others to use nix, than people researching nix outright
<samueldr> simpson: looks like we're mostly on the same angle lol
<drakonis> i didnt ask the details on this
<drakonis> but it might be worth investigating that later
<drakonis> doesnt look like a haskeller though
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<simpson> samueldr: Yeah. If I sound bitter or backhanded, it's because I've had to put up with a lot of stupid Haskell memes. The community is easily bent to some bizarre bigotry.
<samueldr> I have had no interaction with the haskell community, so I can't understand :)
<drakonis> never heard of these
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<genesis> some issues seems so dated, i wonder we could ping his author by a bot, ask him if it is still relevant (yes|no) and close the issue if no answer in a timeout
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<infinisil> genesis: rfcs#51
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/51 (by ryantm, 17 weeks ago, merged): [RFC 0051] Mark stale nixpkgs issues
<genesis> interesting
<genesis> infinisil++
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