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<simpson> installer++ for offering copytoram.
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<srhb> I want to add something like `types.jsonnable = oneOf [ (listOf jsonnable) (attrsOf jsonnable) (nullOr (oneOf [ bool int float str ])) ]`. We're using ad-hoc methods for json merging with lots of shallow-merge all over the place, and this seems to me to get rid of an entire class of those bugs by just imposing module semanticsf in the obvious way. Anyone foresee any issues with that?
<edef> that sounds interesting
<edef> do we have some examples of where this is happening?
<edef> i'm guessing there are also some places where module merging semantics are not appropriate
<srhb> I think every module that has a config file that's written out as builtins.toJSON of types.attrs is susceptible to users hitting this -- I've seen it a lot at work recently.
<srhb> You may be right that module merging semantics is wrong in some cases, but I feel like it's usually less wrong than ` = 42;` silently nuking `bar`
<edef> i'd rather it conflict, probably?
<srhb> That would also be valid, but then you need some more complicated ergonomics for "adding baz to bar"
<srhb> This just makes the usual NixOS logic apply to JSON config structures.
<srhb> Which I feel is intuitive, at least, but maybe that's Stockholm syndrome :-P
<srhb> The alternative solution is probably making all these types functions over the final attr fixpoint and forcing the user to merge manually. That doesn't sound very nice to me.
<srhb> I think my main grief is actually the existence of types.attrs. It's almost always wrong.
<srhb> types.mergingAttrs is what people tend to think they're getting, but it's not.
<srhb> Of course, the RFC infinisil wrote up already touches on exactly this.. :)
<srhb> (And the need for lazyAttrsOf which I totally neglected mentioning. :-P)
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<aanderse> lol @ srhb comment on Stockholm syndrome
<aanderse> that's always the concern, right? we've all drank the nix kool aid and don't realize how insane we are ;-)
<srhb> Yes :P
<dtz> Haha, for a relevant chuckle:
<gchristensen> people don't realize how insane they are for doing all this terrifying mutation of their system state
<MichaelRaskin> It's a natural human drive to have a global mutable state, see also: NixOS module system
<dtz> Haha yep! And crazy is in the eye of the beholder or something. But naturally I very much agree with that statement, gchristensen :). Or wouldn't be here!
<MichaelRaskin> Even if functional programming is irrelevant as a tool, it allows you to filter for people who have to had changed their approach to writing code at some point in life
<aanderse> MichaelRaskin: you vaguely mention your opinions on nixos once in a long while. I'm still curious what the better option is.
<gchristensen> you should see MichaelRaskin's init system ...
<MichaelRaskin> What init system?
<MichaelRaskin> There is jus a bog-standard trivially-reconfigured
<MichaelRaskin> sinit
<gchristensen> ohI thought it was lisp-based, or is that something else?
<dtz> Lmao clever <3
<clever> :D
<MichaelRaskin> There is a ton of Lisp, just on another level
<MichaelRaskin> sinit starts a shell script which spawns a Common Lisp daemon that serves requests for privileged operations and also brings up some stuff
<MichaelRaskin> Like starts the CUPS shell script and PostgreSQL launcher shell script
<qyliss> IIRC the guix model is to just define services, which sounds nice
<MichaelRaskin> My opinion is that Nixpkgs is a better structure than NixOS
<MichaelRaskin> I liked that Sander van der Burg's recent post (find it in NixOS weekly)
<MichaelRaskin> I didn't find much new for me there, but I endorse the approach
<MichaelRaskin> (my system is structured closer to Nixpkgs with overrides than to NixOS with modules)
<aanderse> MichaelRaskin: yeah it was a neat post
<aanderse> i enjoyed reading
<MichaelRaskin> A bit obvious and long. But that's probably because I already have thought all of these thoughts before
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<infinisil> globin, niksnut, roberth, fpletz: Here's a doodle poll for RFC 42 to find a time:
<infinisil> Profpatsch: Thanks for the doodle suggestion :) (knew about it before but didn't occur to me to use it)
<Profpatsch> haha, np
<qyliss> infinisil: further suggestion: is free software and has more features :)
<infinisil> Ohhh Profpatsch said "dudle" I thought he meant "doodle", didn't know dudle was a thing!
<infinisil> rycee: For you as well:
<infinisil> globin: You previously pinged the other roberth, who isn't in the shepherd team btw
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<rycee> Sure, added myself. 11 hour meeting sounds a bit tough, though :-)
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<infinisil> Ohh whoops!
<infinisil> Didn't know I was supposed to put each time in separately :/
<MichaelRaskin> Nobody leaves until a consensus is reached, I guess
<infinisil> Hm maybe I should create a new one, but that's gonna be painful to put 1h slots everywhere
<MichaelRaskin> Maybe dudle or whenwemeet automates this?
<infinisil> Also what about times I have 2.5 hours free, I can't put 2.5 1-hour slots in there
<infinisil> I'll check out dudle
<infinisil> Ehhh, everything is html links, and the website is kind of slow :/
<infinisil> Can't select ranges
<infinisil> And with when2meet you can't select individual times, just the cross product of a set of days and times
<infinisil> Hold on maybe it's not so bad..
<infinisil> Oh and you need an account to even participate, nope
<infinisil> Guess I'll create a new doodle..
<infinisil> Oh but with doodle it's really painful to choose from many options :/
<infinisil> Ah no it's not, they have a calendar view
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<infinisil> Entering many times is actually pretty easy with doodle, I think doodle is the way to go
<infinisil> globin: niksnut: rycee: fpletz: New doodle poll with more granular times:
<MichaelRaskin> infinisil: I think I answered when2meet survey for RFC46 without actually creating an account
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<rycee> infinisil: Nice, added myself again.
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<globin> infinisil: I've added the next week, the one after I'll add if nothing works this week
<infinisil> Sounds good
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