gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<infinisil> Oh damn, I forgot about the huge spider from yesterday. I caught it in a glass and then just put it aside. It now made a web in the glass :/
<infinisil> I'm afraid you won't be catching any prey there
<samueldr> name it feed it adopt it arachnologic
<gchristensen> lol
<infinisil> I left it outside now, be free!
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<jasongrossman> MichaelRaskin: I've been using a VPS that size for small things for ages, with no problems.
<jasongrossman> MichaelRaskin: A small gotcha is that it seems they only rarely actually have any of those small VPSs in stock, and at the moment the only place they have them is in New York, and they don't have any of their storage slices available in New York. But if it's only for small things then maybe that doesn't matter.
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<elvishjerricco> I can't wait for someone to make a redox version of NixOS :P
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<MichaelRaskin> jasongrossman: Dunno, now BuyVM had the small VMs at all three locations. But my question with mentioning Synapse was indeed more about whether I am likely to want stuff that is randomly not so small. I have no worries about OpenVPN or Nginx, say.
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<MichaelRaskin> elvishjerricco: I think both «NixOS with pluggable init» and «NixOS with FreeBSD kernel» are strictly easier, and we have neither
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<MichaelRaskin> From NixOS side; stdenv on Redox is also some work
<elvishjerricco> Yea I'm not suggesting it'd be easy. More of a ten year project than a ten week project.
<MichaelRaskin> I guess if you want to convince anyone it is feasible, the three things I listed are preconditions…
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<Ralith> I want nix on windows
<Ralith> if you thought managing build environments on linux was hard...
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<Arahael> Ralith: There's an open ticket for that, apparently. "on windows" could mean either of wsl, cygwin, msys, or windows itself.
<Ralith> only the last of those does me any good
<Arahael> Ralith: I'd probably look at docker.
<Ralith> oh, you can put windows in docker? that's better than nothing I guess
<Arahael> Ralith: Docker on windows has two flavours, and you can only pick one - you can either dockerize windows, or dockerize linux.
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<pie_> I wonder if we could get nixos to start influencing upstreams to support a standardized config format :P
<pie_> yeah yeah cue xkcd
<infinisil> pie___: Why would we want that?
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<pie_> ....seriously? xD
<pie_> making *nix generally less shitty
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<__monty__> Nah, that's corrolary. Making nixpkgs maintainers' jobs easier is the main point : )
<gchristensen> "where did I lose 400GB to? my /nix/store is only 2GB... oh, /tmp/nix-build-*"
<sphalerite> ok, bcc is kind of obnoxious
<gchristensen> $ find /tmp -maxdepth 1 -name 'nix-build-*' | wc -l
<gchristensen> 9960
<gchristensen> bcc?
<gchristensen> ohh
<sphalerite> trying to get zfsslower to work
<sphalerite> its error reporting is kind of awful
<gchristensen> cool
<sphalerite> e.g. it complained that ausyscall was not found, when the actual problem was that it didn't have aarch64 support.
<gchristensen> :|
<sphalerite> it literally has the line `raise Exception("ausyscall: command not found")` in it
<gchristensen> ...great
<sphalerite> within an `except Exception as e:`
<gchristensen> .........
<sphalerite> anyway, I fixed that by enabling arm and aarch64 support in libaudit. But it still doesn't work, with the fascinatingly evocative error message "Could not compile BPF text".
<pie_> __monty__, right
<sphalerite> and I'm wondering if it's because of /nix/store/q8z2lxi0kcd7124g2wmswqmwhazbdm7j-linux-4.19.30-dev/lib/modules/4.4.154/build not being found. Which, I'm just realising, is rather odd too, given the mismatched versions.
<sphalerite> so I'll try with the system linuxPackages…
<joepie91> disappointing
<joepie91> ASUS--
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<lejonet> Current trend sadly
<lejonet> so HP, Lenovo, Asus are down, only some vendors left to go :P
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<__monty__> Isn't basically everything currently vulnerable to IME backdoors anyway?
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<gchristensen> search.nix.gsc.io, but for all of the source files in the iso_minimal closure
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<joepie91> +1
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<infinisil> Screw you Apple, I now had to buy the 50GB storage option for 1CHF/month, because it's full and I can't empty it because god knows why
<samueldr> I've seen this echoed online, that the minimum free space isn't enough to hold things that you can't control :/
<samueldr> (but have not experienced that, not having their things)
<infinisil> 5GB has been enough ever since I stopped putting pictures and all my data in icloud, I feel like they changed something recently
<infinisil> I should switch to Fastmail or so
<infinisil> (Or host my own mail, but I don't trust myself enough to not screw it up)
<gchristensen> email is not worth your time
<__monty__> Rackspace has been pretty good. $10/month for 5 mailboxes.
<infinisil> I only need one, so that would be $10 for 1?
* infinisil checks
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<__monty__> Yeah, $10 minimum.
<__monty__> Get some friends hyped about having a custom domain for email and you doing the admin : )
<infinisil> I do have one friend with their own domain, maybe another one
<infinisil> I can get fastmail with a custom domain for $5
<infinisil> And I've heard lots of good things about fastmail
<gchristensen> they're pretty good
<__monty__> Just offering an option. I host 5 mailboxes so it works out : )
<infinisil> Yeah
<infinisil> If I don't mind the effort, self-hosting would be nice too though, then I wouldn't have to pay the $53
<infinisil> s/53/5
<gchristensen> 17:21 <gchristensen> email is not worth your time :P
<infinisil> But!
<__monty__> It's a lot more than $5 worth of work each month.
<gchristensen> nobody has patience for email not working properly
<gchristensen> no matter if they're the sender or receiver of your mail
<gchristensen> and running an email server is 95% "why doesn't XXX accept my mail?"
<infinisil> My self-hosting it with https://gitlab.com/simple-nixos-mailserver/nixos-mailserver would not be too hard, and I could help that project by testing it, which would help selling NixOS
<infinisil> s/My/Me
<infinisil> *And* I could write some DNS server module such that simple-nixos-mailserver could have an option for it, so people don't even need to set up DNS themselves
<gchristensen> okay let me change my position then
<gchristensen> if you want to run an email server, you should
<gchristensen> and if you decide you no longer want to, there are options for you :)
<infinisil> Ohh yeah, I guess I could always switch from self-hosting to provides which allow you to use your own domain
<infinisil> s/provides/providers
<gchristensen> yeah
<infinisil> If I do try self-hosting, I should get a second independent VPS server though, which I've been meaning to do for a while anyways
<averell> i like runbox. although the webmail client is a bit meh. protonmail would be cool too, but they're kinda expensive.
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<averell> with mail, people probably don't understand if it rejects a bunch of important mail because you're "testing nixos-mailserver" maybe :)
<infinisil> I should probably first test it for a month or so, and only then switch everything to it
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<gchristensen> nah
<gchristensen> just go for it
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<__monty__> Yeah, you running an email server's no fun for us unless you panic from day 1 : >
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<infinisil> I could set up some automated magic that notifies me when my mail breaks down
<infinisil> Notifies my via email
<infinisil> Wait
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<gchristensen> some PRs merged recently making them easier
<tilpner> Oddly, the documentation isn't rendered in the manual
<tilpner> (Unless I'm blind)
<tilpner> Oh, those improved errors look useful
<srhb> tilpner: Which ones?
<{^_^}> hydra#644 (by disassembler, 5 days ago, merged): improve the error messages when invalid declarative jobsets are defined
<srhb> Oh, yeah.
<tilpner> Error messages are always good
<tilpner> Anything is better than "haha, it failed. I'm not going to tell you why though"
<tilpner> hydra-eval-jobs returned exit code 1:
<tilpner> error: cannot get cwd: No such file or directory
<tilpner> ^ that's what I have right now, just in case anyone's fixed that before
<sphalerite> infinite recursion encountered, at unknown position
<tilpner> :(
<tilpner> I tried avoiding pulling in nixpkgs for the jobsets jobset
<tilpner> Mostly because it's so large to clone and I don't know how to make Hydra keep just one pinned version or fetch tarballs
<tilpner> But something felt wrong about doing builtins.derivation { builder = nixConfig.shell; ... } just to create spec.json
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* tilpner accidentally wipes two hydras
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<joepie91> that's fine, it'll just grow new heads
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<gchristensen> when writing a blog post, I can find so many other less painful things to do. like taxes! minor surgery! contract flesh-eating bacteria!
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<infinisil> You don't like writing blog posts that much??
<gchristensen> I hate it
<gchristensen> when I do a good job, I *love* the end result
<gchristensen> but the process of writing is so painful
<infinisil> That doesn't sound like it's worth it!
<elvishjerricco> I love writing blog posts. I just never want to write about the absolute garbage I write to accomplish cool things :P
<gchristensen> many famous writers have good quotes about how much they hate it
<Ralith> I have been getting better about writing documentation of the cool things I build, but long form blog posts about them is still a bridge too far
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