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<Raito_Bezarius> Ox4A6F: I'd be glad to discuss further sourcehut with you :)
<Raito_Bezarius> That's something I'm currently working on
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<fgaz> Raito_Bezarius [0x4A6F] what was the topic of your discussion, if I may ask?
<Ox4A6F> Raito_Bezarius fgaz Packaging and Module Development for sourcehut.
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<fgaz> [0x4A6F]: is it difficult to package?
<fgaz> Well, much easier than something like gitlab, I imagine
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<{^_^}> #54425 (by eadwu, 1 year ago, merged): sourcehut: init
<{^_^}> #65109 (by eadwu, 1 year ago, open): sourcehut: include module
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<fgaz> Whoa. Didn't realize the package was in since 2019
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<fgaz> By the way, as the maintainer of the sourcehut nixos image I was reconsidering the choice of no channels by default, and was thinking of adding nixpkgs=nixos-<version> by default starting from 20.09
<fgaz> Since most people seem to be using that in their builds
<fgaz> So if any of you is using builds.sr.ht, feedback is welcome
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<stoile> fgaz: If I specify nixpkgs=nixos-<other version> then, it would simply override it?
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<fgaz> stoile: yes
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<cdepillabout> Is the Hack Day Join Point supposed to be starting now? Is there a talk or introduction being broadcast somewhere?
<__Sander__> I was about to ask the same question :)
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<Ox4A6F> And our chill-out room: https://jitsi.nixcon.org/water-cooler
<nixer|64839> windows support ? :)
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<Raito_Bezarius> Ox4A6F: I'll join soon
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<MichaelRaskin> I inferred from the announcement that we get a kick-off speech from someone of the organisers, but maybe they are too drained
<MichaelRaskin> (intentionally cut out the nicks from the first version of the message)
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<JanHeidbrink> Maybe we just start by presenting the Hackathon ideas in the chill-out room?
<MichaelRaskin> Sounds good
<__Sander__> fine with me
<MichaelRaskin> What order? Current pad?
<JanHeidbrink> Sounds good
<MichaelRaskin> Oh wait. But OK
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<davidak[m]> worldofpeace: is this a tape from yesterday?
<davidak[m]> the stream on the website seem now just the video from yesterday
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<LambdaDuck> Is anything happening now?
<Ox4A6F> Yes, people gathering in the breakout rooms. And service-splitting is active.
<pickfire> Where is the breakout rooms?
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<pickfire> I wonder how do we go and help.
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<stoile> fgaz: I like it, having nixpkgs matching the image by default. IIRC the downside is, that it's more difficult to have no channel at all, right?
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<JanHeidbrink> pickfire: You can join the Jitsi breakout rooms listed in the cryptpad. You can join multiple breakout rooms in parallel, I guess that's the best way to figure out where something is going on.
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<ryantm> Just woke up and am now hanging out in https://jitsi.nixcon.org/nixpkgs-update for anyone who wants to hack on https://github.com/ryantm/nixpkgs-update which is our updater bot written in Haskell.
<danielrf[m]> I just woke up as as well (ryantm and I are in the same timezone). I'll be in https://jitsi.nixcon.org/robotnix for hopefully most of the rest of the day
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<clever> risson: morning
<risson> clever: hi!
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<clever> risson: i got distracted by webusb, and now my pi is almost booting fully, over webusb....
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<risson> Ohh why x)
<risson> A hell of a distraction
<clever> its a fun challenge, lol
<clever> its crazy what webusb lets you do now
<clever> i'm plugging my pi into the pc, then JS detects it, and begins sending control commands over
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<risson> I wonder if you could do the same over network
<clever> due to the software on the rom, thats not an option on the pi4
<clever> risson: https://ext.earthtools.ca/videos/private/rpi/webusbboot/ this page just un-bricked my pi4, lol!!
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<clever> risson: ok, lets see, torrent creation, with .nar.xz files....
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<risson> clever: so I tried to create 2 torrents with 2 exports of 2 different derivations
<risson> And I was able to download both of them in the same directory!
<clever> risson: how are you generating the .torrent file?
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<risson> Which means I just need to do the same with my images and then load the nar files in a nix store and I should be good to go!
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<risson> something like mktorrent --output=whatever.torrent --no-date --web-seed=http://whatever/ folder_containing_narinfos
<clever> and your running it outside of nix?
<risson> But I think I'll have to do it outside of Nix, probably in the CI, for the exported paths
<clever> nix can deal with that too
<risson> Oh, how?
<clever> pkgs.vmTools.runInLinuxVM (pkgs.runCommand
<clever> writing a full example now...
<risson> What I planend to do was mounting a cephfs inside the container, write the paths to a temp foler in it, make a torrent out of them, and then move to th folder inside the cephfs that is served as a binary cache
<risson> The problem I see with pkgs.vmTools.runInLinuxVM is that it will break our disks performance in the CI, whereas cephfs would be faster
<clever> how will it break the performance?
<risson> And iirc, I cannot mount that cephfs inside pkgs.vmTools.runInLinuxVM, can I?
<clever> runInLinuxVM runs your builder as root
<clever> so it can basically do anything
<risson> Well, our CIs have pretty much very poor disks
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<clever> it shouldnt be taxing the disk that badly
<risson> Whereas our ceph runs on ssd, and we've found that using cephfs usually is faster that storing stuff on the machine directly
<clever> ah, it might not even need runInLinuxVM
<risson> Also, running in pkgs.vmTools.runInLinuxVM would mean I have to export the paths twice: first to create the torrent, and then after to export them to the binary cache
<clever> one derivation can do both at once
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<risson> Yeah but that derivation will store the paths on the local system and then I'll have to copy them to cephfs
<risson> And sign them somewhere along the way
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<clever> hmmm, let me see what the end-result will look like...
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<clever> oh, but signatures wont be on the narinfo within the torrent
<clever> risson: that will generate a binary cache containing a given closure, then generate a torrent of it, and then provide 2 options
<clever> either ditch that directory, and re-make it later when uploading to a configurable location
<clever> or keep that dir, and upload it with plain cp -r/rsync
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<risson> would you be able to sign narinfos afterwards?
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<risson> clever: if you want, we're talking about this here https://jitsi.nixcon.org/to-school
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<clever> risson: signing would break the torrent, so you would need to building things within the nix sandbox
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<clever> or pass the keys into the build, making them readable in /nix/store/
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<risson> I don't think we care about making them available in /nix/store, because it's kept in the CI
<risson> Also, would that be such a problem building the torrent outside nix?
<clever> more that i go hard on the nix, and so as much as i can in nix builds
<clever> keeps things pure
<clever> risson: dang, jitsi booted me mid-sentece
<risson> ugh what happened?
<clever> i had clicked share screen instead of chat, when i first joined
<clever> and it takes chrome that long to render the window previews
<clever> i cant even alt+tab now, lol
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<risson> ugh damn chrome
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<clever> to be fair, i have 1000's of open tabs
<clever> i can see why its struggling :P
<pie_> puck: has anyone been able to connect to jitsi with the mobile client? (of ffdroid?)
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<puck> pie_: afaict, no. it did not work here locally either
<pie_> aw
<puck> and i do not know why
<puck> .. oh
<puck> i have a suspicion.
<puck> egh
<pie_> im kind of tied to my desk otherwise xd
<puck> yeah, hold up
<pie_> ^.^ im on the edge of my seat
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<puck> yep.
<puck> foun the issue
<puck> hold on a minute
<puck> pie_: try again?
<pie_> puck: sweet, what was broken
<puck> pie_: config.js used too modern javascript features, and it was react native
<puck> so it syntax error'd and immediately failed out
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<pie_> uhuh
<Ox4A6F> <3 puck
<{^_^}> puck's karma got increased to 38
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<puck> it runs the config.js in .... Duktape?!
<puck> whyyyyy
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<qyliss> thinking back, I was initially skeptical of the idea of breakout rooms. How wrong I was!
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<Ox4A6F> Raito_Bezarius: Maybe we'll join up some other day? Just query me.
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<Raito_Bezarius> Ox4A6F: Yeah
<Raito_Bezarius> It will be simpler
<Raito_Bezarius> Meanwhile
<Raito_Bezarius> I have mostly module-packaged sourcehut
<Raito_Bezarius> except for project hub and builds (it's not 100% done)
<Raito_Bezarius> (the LMTP IPv6 patch also is kinda broken)
<Raito_Bezarius> I'm running an instance of it over IPv6-only network
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<Ox4A6F> Nice
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