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<MichaelRaskin> Hello everyone, whatever time of the day it is in your timezone
<Ox4A6F> Hello again.
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<aszlig> good morning =)
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<MichaelRaskin> Morning!
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<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin: Morning!
<eyJhb> Ready for your talk MichaelRaskin ? With your frakenstein OS? ;) \s
<MichaelRaskin> For the talk, I was ready Thursday night!
<MichaelRaskin> (submitted my prerecorded mkv before the NixCon started)
<MichaelRaskin> I seem to have everything setup for Q&A, you are welcome to join /water-cooler if you want to verify
<risson> It starts in 2h right?
<MichaelRaskin> Roughly, yes
<risson> Hello btw :D
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<MichaelRaskin> Hello risson
<risson> Great I can catch some more zzzz
<davidak[m]> good morning ๐Ÿ˜„ nice to see the website improved. feels a bit like a chaos computer club event that improves over time
<MichaelRaskin> Forget OS, I have spent like 15 minutes putting everything up to get simultaneously co counter light, external monitor at a convenient location, and a position I am happy to use for a couple of hours straight
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<MichaelRaskin> I normally have two out of three at home
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<MichaelRaskin> OK, I have previously done a sound check of setup in general, but I guess a small water-cooler chat counted as verifying I have not managed to break everything by unplugging the laptop to go to work and plugging it back when at home againโ€ฆ
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<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin: where do we have /water-cooler at?
<eyJhb> (currently on IRC)
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<eyJhb> WELL! I hoped you guys were all chatty and I could listen in while I was doing some homework MichaelRaskin :D
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<eyJhb> Also, would be cool if the WC was in /topic
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<puck> eyJhb: it's in the ad-hoc breakout room :p
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<eyJhb> Yeah, but it isn't that "visual" that it is there :p
<eyJhb> Didn't know there was afterparty stuff as well!
<eyJhb> :(
<eyJhb> ALso sad that I will miss MichaelRaskin talk...
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<MichaelRaskin> Wanna get the link to prerecording early?
<eyJhb> I don't even have time to see it now, I am heading to Aarhus in 30 minutes and need to pack etc. beforehand :p I will watch it later hopefully!
<eyJhb> Did you all have to submit a prerecording in case of failure MichaelRaskin ?
<MichaelRaskin> Sure
<MichaelRaskin> It was a choice
<MichaelRaskin> After discussion, we agreed that submitting prerecording lowers the risks and does not remove any of usable features
<eyJhb> True, always nice to have that option
<MichaelRaskin> Answering questions mid-talk on 15s-lag stream is not perfect anyway
<eyJhb> Are you a first time speaker MichaelRaskin ?
<eyJhb> True as well :p
<MichaelRaskin> First time NixCon speaker
<eyJhb> Your packet loss on Jitsi seems quite high as well
<eyJhb> Where have you spoken otherwise?
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<MichaelRaskin> The place I rent is only WiFi, and my office has wired connection which is managed even weirder than WiFi thereโ€ฆ so packet loss
<eyJhb> Ahhh
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<eyJhb> No option to get wired at your place?
<eyJhb> You know the good old, do first ask for forgiveness later?
<MichaelRaskin> European Lisp Symposium, ICALP (both multiple times), GandALF, and well, my CV is not that hard to find for more
<MichaelRaskin> Frankly, moderately sized videocalls work good enough
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<MichaelRaskin> And so what do I have to gain anyway?
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<LnL> hey everybody :)
<MichaelRaskin> I try to structure my computer use in a way that one-second overall latency is not a real problem
<MichaelRaskin> Hello LnL
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<_Rien> What timezone is the schedule in?
<LnL> MichaelRaskin: looking forward to your talk, I always wondered what your setup looks like
<MichaelRaskin> Bwa ha ha, it is not exactly about that
<MichaelRaskin> _Rien: UTC
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<MichaelRaskin> So, ~80minutes left before start
<_Rien> Ah that explains
<MichaelRaskin> _Rien: there is a countdown on-stream, too now
<LnL> oh? well I'm even more curious now
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<_Rien> I propose to add that a mention of it somewhere on https://cfp.nixcon.org/nixcon2020/schedule/#2020-10-17 if possible :)
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/2020 (by ttuegel, 6 years ago, closed): freetype: disable patent-encumbered code by default
<MichaelRaskin> _Rien: PRs get merged like in 10 minutes!
<puck> i think that cfp page isn't easy to fix, as it's in pretalx?
<MichaelRaskin> There is nothing an <h3> above it can't fix
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<MichaelRaskin> I guess bold enough UTC mention above/below could solve the problem halfway and more
<MichaelRaskin> LnL: the thing I will talk about is a significant part of my setup, though.
<MichaelRaskin> But the talk is motivation for having this one thing, and a plea to get it even better supported in NixOS upstream
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<MichaelRaskin> Because that's the thing I want to get people argue about
<MichaelRaskin> There is one slide with teaser bullet points for ยซwhy the hellยป
<LnL> heh :D
<nyanotech> hehe
<viric> yesterday there was someone in the water-cooler called Jeff
<viric> that used conan
<MichaelRaskin> LnL: I think by now it is at least you and jpo who explicitly declared interest about my setup, so I guess we could grab a breakout room after all the sessions?
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: you will be assigned one with a specific name, that lives as much as anyone wants
<viric> MichaelRaskin: don't you think the next talk will cover also some of your topics?
<LnL> the main thing I'm interested in is the integration point, but yeah I bet there's going to be some good stuff to talk about
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<MichaelRaskin> viric: yes, and I know that name
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<viric> one thing I'm annoyed by nix is that we can't use its recipes to easily develop packages along the whole dependency tree of something
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<MichaelRaskin> I think __Sander__ is talking about writing a one more replacement, and I talk about moving to a shared DB of what gets replicated
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: ok - so I'll be at the 2nd talk and not the breakout room, right after your talk :)
<viric> MichaelRaskin: good!
<MichaelRaskin> I also thing
<MichaelRaskin> think my setup and integration stuff is quite a\ bit to the side of the focus of the talk
<MichaelRaskin> So makes perfect sense to recognise as a separate breakout
<MichaelRaskin> And yes, I expect my breakout to die out quickly, for _two_ reasons
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<viric> So I wish I could use nix to develop "libxpdf" while I test it in qpdfview
<viric> (by making use of the nix recipes)
<MichaelRaskin> I have first recorded like 27 minutes, panic, trimmed the fat and boosted the energy, so it is 15 minutes + 10 for questions now
<MichaelRaskin> viric: that is pretty over-layable
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<viric> I mean with least rebuilt time
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<viric> so new libxpdf.so from my changed cpp file and relink and go
<MichaelRaskin> Well, a ton of patchelf
<viric> I mean changing the API even
<viric> usual build recipes.
<MichaelRaskin> Well, we need nix-make for a ton of reasons
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<viric> is that something that exists in some form?
<MichaelRaskin> Meh-ish
<MichaelRaskin> I think there are prototypes that you can use as a build system for a project
<viric> nix is making computers do-the-same-thing so much, that makes me nervous
<viric> all seems solved by "more power"
<MichaelRaskin> But nothing you can go and force on top of existing stuff
<viric> I think we need nix to accomodate a path for non-unique-unmodifiable-closures
<MichaelRaskin> Well, compilation cache is sometimes applicable, I guess
<MichaelRaskin> I wonder if ptrace-ing opens would pay off
<viric> as niksnut said, same as nix-shell gives you a $out to write to, we need something to span to multiple derivations, not only one
<MichaelRaskin> In the sense that see what happens, and see what actually doesn't depend on anything that changed
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<LnL> there's an experiment here https://github.com/edolstra/nix-make
<viric> I think it should be done without any cheating, so it can work in any system
<MichaelRaskin> Indeed
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<LnL> but I think there's also something with recursive nix out there
<MichaelRaskin> Hm
<_Rien> Alright I'm looking at the VM config to add a banner with "Times are listed in UTC time", but I can't really find the custom styling. Someone with the right GPG key can check https://github.com/nixcon/nixcon-vps/blob/master/services/pretalx.cfg if it's not in there?
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<_Rien> ^ I'm trying to add the timezone to the pretalx page
<MichaelRaskin> _Rien: not, homepage has separate repo
<_Rien> Ah, it 's the homepage?
<MichaelRaskin> I think adding to NixCon homepage goes halfway through
<_Rien> Thx
<MichaelRaskin> Pretalx is the schedule frame, its surroundings are from homepage
<eyJhb> Good luck with the presentation MichaelRaskin ! :)
<MichaelRaskin> Like the link (also in Topic) to break-out room list pad
<viric> We now have "$ nix-shell -A dwm
<MichaelRaskin> Luck is no longer applicable to that presentation, I hope!
<MichaelRaskin> Thanks
<viric> but it's too little
<MichaelRaskin> True
<_Rien> Ah, it's already converted to local timezones on the homepage. I somehow got a direct link to the cfp.nixcon.org site, so that didn't work.
<MichaelRaskin> All complicated
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<viric> complicated, yes. But 'conan' is getting ahead in that regard, even they start from scratch
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<MichaelRaskin> My ยซallยป also included timezone choice for web pages
<MichaelRaskin> viric: and the second reason I expect my talk breakout room to die out is that I explicitly shout out to the next talk in the program.
<viric> haha
<LnL> we could go and highjack the next breakout room
<viric> MichaelRaskin: remember to invite at the end to the next talk, instead of going to the breakout room
<MichaelRaskin> Well, we'll see how end of Q&A looks like
<viric> ah right; maybe you need one joined breakout room
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<MichaelRaskin> I mean, there is also an option to join the breakout, and just not talk there during the next talk
<viric> exactly - that sounds best
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<viric> with __Sander__ preagreement would be even best ;)
<viric> better
<viric> My problem is matching the talks with the lunch time.
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<MichaelRaskin> Your real problem is need to leave computer to have lunch!
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<viric> hehe
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<viric> recently I had the idea of buying a reptile heating lamp for local heating when sitting at the computer
<MichaelRaskin> I hope that 10 minutes exhausts talk-related questions, then I say that AMA on my setup is a separate breakout after all sessions or something
<MichaelRaskin> Heh
<viric> It works well :)
<MichaelRaskin> Or not say, because this question might not appear on post-talk questions but on channel, then we coordinate it there
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<viric> don't worry much about listener questions right-after-talk. There will be plenty of time.
<viric> and people with questions will find their way to you very easily
<MichaelRaskin> True, I intentionally hangout on Jitsi like wherever I can spot
<viric> you are not hard to find
<MichaelRaskin> On IRC I am normally only findable on some of weekends
<viric> very easy
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<MichaelRaskin> But my email is obviously in git log from time to time
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<MichaelRaskin> Hmmm. I tried to air my office Really Well, then decided it will protect me from catching a viral cold in a suboptimal way, but making my chronic residual cold acute
<viric> wmertens: I know. I have some. BUT repitle lamps are also far infrared and a lot cheaper
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<wmertens> cool!
<viric> MichaelRaskin: I got installed MVHR at home some weeks ago.
<MichaelRaskin> I guess reptile lamps + airing could be more efficient than trying to warm up the room with an open windowโ€ฆ But still, maybe it's too radical
<viric> wmertens: 200W 9โ‚ฌ
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<MichaelRaskin> viric: I am _not_ trying to install heat-recovery ventilation at my office at university!\
<viric> MichaelRaskin: :)
<MichaelRaskin> Just no
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<MichaelRaskin> And at home I live alone and very definitely do not have guests
<viric> I only meant that I also cared about ventilation. In fact we were very poor at ventilation and I found out that most of the reasons that annoyed my sleep were related to exhaust air
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<MichaelRaskin> And I am not too thermophilic, so I can just get as much air and cool as I want for comfort
<viric> I think the reptile lamps have a big potential and I never read about those anywhere.
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<viric> Moscow central heating without apartment regulation usually forces people to open windows a bit
<MichaelRaskin> Hehe
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<viric> Here we care about every โ‚ฌ and happens often that air in apartments gets really bad
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<MichaelRaskin> My parents have local regulation (limiting cross-section of entry to local radiators) now
<MichaelRaskin> Moscow is dense enough that if you have in-city generation, exhaust heat is often not too expensive
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<MichaelRaskin> Does your ventilation also work well for keeping cool in summer?
<viric> I hope so.
<viric> It says about 85% efficiency in heat transmission from air pushed out to air brought in
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<viric> That is my plan to get rid of ะบะฐะผะฐั€ั‹ on summer
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<viric> I only try to go with the ventilation regulation. One person needs 15l/s of new air, in an apartment
<wmertens> I did try a 130W reptile lamp, but I don't have anything good to mount it in, and it gets really hot
<viric> That's about what I get. That keeps CO2 to < 900ppm, which is also the regulation goal.
<viric> wmertens: ceramic holders.
<viric> 3โ‚ฌ
<MichaelRaskin> viric: I think you mean mosquitos? It's spelled ะบะพะผะฐั€ั‹ even if pronounced ะบะฐะผะฐั€ั‹
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: right.
<MichaelRaskin> 15 l / second?? That sounds too much โ€ฆ
<viric> I thought the same when I learnt about it :)
<MichaelRaskin> I mean, I am pretty sure my maximum usable lung volume is around 5l, and it takes me more than one second to take that in and then throw it out
<viric> but it has made my sleep very good
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: that accounts for air mixing in the room.
<viric> 15l/s is an apartment rule, not person breathing from a tube
<MichaelRaskin> Hmm, wonder how feasible targeted room ventilation is
<MichaelRaskin> Although then you probably need even better heat recovery
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<viric> I also thought that the big machine doing air change at 120m3/h would be a lot, but the CO2 levels just match; about 800ppm, which is close to the 900ppm regulation limit
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: there are small MVHR per room.. they move air in an out intermitently
<viric> MichaelRaskin: these kind of things https://www.bpcventilation.com/vent-axia-tempra-t
<MichaelRaskin> Targeted I mean making sure fresh air goes to where I breath
<viric> (1st google links)
<viric> AH :) well, these things are also a bit noisy.
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: another advantage is that I could put a F7 filter in it, so I don't get all the smoke from my "wood is cheap to burn! We use it all winter" neighbours
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<MichaelRaskin> Heh
<viric> many problems fixed at once by the mechanical ventilation.
<viric> sorry for the pre-talk distraction
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<MichaelRaskin> My talk is prerecorded
<viric> niksnut: I thought you told me that nix-shell would give me a $out I can 'make install' to
<viric> MichaelRaskin: AAH
<viric> you will be able to follow the live comments that people love to make then
<MichaelRaskin> Then again, including the teaching, I am pretty used to giving talks without too much pre-talk prep
<MichaelRaskin> Exactly
<Raito_Bezarius> :D
<Raito_Bezarius> I feel you MichaelRaskin
<MichaelRaskin> We have agreed with organisers that I answer livechat _and_ re-answer best questions in Q&A
<MichaelRaskin> Raito_Bezarius: well, the coming semester I am teaching the exact same practical course third semester straight
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<MichaelRaskin> And I inherited it, so there is not much to iterate on
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<Raito_Bezarius> What subject do you teach?
<MichaelRaskin> I mean, one could pivot completely, but the current structure makes senseโ€ฆ
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<MichaelRaskin> For interesting reasons the chair of Theoretical CS is teaching a course on implementing basic algorithms in contest-like format
<Raito_Bezarius> Competitive programming?
<MichaelRaskin> Not really competitive-level competitive algorithmic programming
<Raito_Bezarius> Oh alright
<MichaelRaskin> To be completely honest
<Raito_Bezarius> DomJudge-like stuff for basic algorithms?
<MichaelRaskin> Yep
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<Raito_Bezarius> I wanted to do something like this for an engineering school, unfortunately COVID and life :/
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<niksnut> viric: no, that's the new 'nix develop' command (on nix master)
<MichaelRaskin> Well, this course was pretty smooth to move online
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<niksnut> it sets $out etc. to $(pwd)/outputs/<outputName>
<viric> niksnut: I'm definitely using an outdated shell then
<MichaelRaskin> And I am a postdoc, so this counts to cover teaching duties
<viric> ah develop. ok ok
<MichaelRaskin> (and PhD students who founded it also had teaching duties)
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<viric> niksnut: so it'd be great if we could use something like "nix-shell -A boost '<nixpkgs>'", mess with it, and then tell nix to build things with *that* boost (also going to $(pwd)/outputs/something).
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<niksnut> viric: yes, I'll see if I can add something like that
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<LnL> having a workflow for adding a new patch would be really nice
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<ryantm> good morning nixcon it's 03:54 here ๐Ÿ˜€
<aanderse> [ryantm](https://matrix.to/#/@ryantm:matrix.org): morning
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<clever> dang, starting the stream at 8am, barely got up in time
<sirikan> hey its 9om here
<sirikan> pm
<andi-> I just had lunch ;)
<LnL> whoa, 3am is quite the commitment
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<NixBridge> zโ€‹imbatm[discord]: morning ๐ŸŒž
<pn> hey!
<hyperfekt> i like the vibe of a countdown
<hyperfekt> we need some epic intro music for next time
<evalexpr> good morning :)
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<wmertens> lol
<lassulus> huh
<Raito_Bezarius> was it done on purpose :D ?
<andi-> what just happened?
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<Raito_Bezarius> robots Nix taking over
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<aanderse> [andi-](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_andi-:matrix.org): you did not have a stroke, don't worry
puck changed the topic of #nixcon to: Nixcon 2020 is NOW! @ https://2020.nixcon.org/live.html | To ask speakers questions join #nixcon-qa | ad-hoc breakout rooms https://cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/code/#/2/code/edit/nNNcnWiDb1S0EYH3fTYo+FoM/
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<stigo> good morning :)
<aanderse> hey [stigo](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_stigo:matrix.org)
<stigo> hey aanderse :)
<andi-> aanderse: your (matrix?) bridge is adding some weird markdown to each highlight, is there a way to disable that? :D
<MichaelRaskin> I will sometimes look at #nixcon, too, though
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<aanderse> andi-: oh sorry... I'll take a look
<aanderse> maybe it's because I'm clicking names
<hyperfekt> i really like worldofpeace' moderation c:
<wmertens> I must say, the current NixCon format is awesome. When we do an in-person again, perhaps there could be a no-device rule in the speaker room and a separate room for people to monitor the live stream and work-while-listening, so that there's a quality check of the stream
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<viric> cooking and watching the stream
<puck> hyperfekt: they've been so great for the entirety of the event preparation
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<wmertens> hyperfekt: agreed, they're doing an awesome job (and a great voice too)
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<Raito_Bezarius> +1
<Raito_Bezarius> it's one of the rare events that I'm relatively committed to follow
<domenkozar[m]> watching the stream from my sofa is pretty cool =)
<Raito_Bezarius> online events*
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<l33[m]> <domenkozar[m] "watching the stream from my sofa"> nixos-rebuild sofa
<JosW> :)
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<JosW> Whoo curved screen!
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<niksnut> did MichaelRaskin's talk start earlier than the schedule?
<srhb> Yeah.
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<l33[m]> <JosW "Whoo curved screen!"> I'm more interested in the sofa.
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<abathur> am I the only one getting a lot of a/v hiccups?
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<srhb> abathur: Clean and clear for me.
<srhb> (Using vlc)
<puck> abathur: how're you watching the stream?
<abathur> mpv
<andi-> looks good here with mpv
<MichaelRaskin> abathur: stitches between slides are imperfect, if that's our question
<srhb> abathur: (But notice that MichaelRaskin does have a lot of cuts in the video/audio intentionally, if that's what you're talking about)
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<Raito_Bezarius> does anyone has the first URL?
<Raito_Bezarius> wrapper for NixOS piece extraction
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<Raito_Bezarius> MichaelRaskin: ^
<MichaelRaskin> Was on a previous slide too\
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<danieldk> heh, I thought that I had screwed up the time ;)
<fadenb> Anyone else having issues with the dash stream or is it a local problem?
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<phirsch> Hmm - lots of bufffering with mpv here - just managed to catch a few seconds of Michael's talk...
<fadenb> Ah, abathur seems to have the same issue
<aanderse> awesome talk ๐Ÿ‘
<abathur> yeah, I'm getting clean audio from the live stream on https://2020.nixcon.org/live.html
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<danieldk> no problems with the stream and VLC
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<abathur> mpv was fine all day yesterday, so not sure
<WilliButz> no issues with mpv here
<fadenb> I am currently using vlc on an Amazon firetv stick. Worked fine yesterday
<vandenoever> both mpv and vlc have timeouts on fiber in .nl about once every 15min
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<srhb> Thanks MichaelRaskin.ย I like the thought of "as a library of bits" -- maybe exposing them better :)
<puck> vandenoever: weird. i'd assume fiber would have a pretty decent connection
<pastry> Maybe Sander's talk will be relevant?
<Raito_Bezarius> puck: depends on paths :p
<pastry> - with respect to the service definitions behind functions
<phirsch> abathur: same here yesterday...
<Raito_Bezarius> I'm on 100Mbps fiber and mpv works more or less fine
<jpo> stream died for anyone else?
<pastry> whoops wrong chan
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<jpo> nvm
<jpo> err, yeah, keeps buffering for me
<puck> egh
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<puck> i adjusted the catchup rate, but i think that's causing more issues than i expected..
<phirsch> But then again, I am on a 10Mbit microwave link in the Tasmanian outback right now...
<jpo> I'm on fiber to the home, but across an ocean
<davidak[m]> vlc output
<puck> hmmm.
<wmertens> jpo: are you getting the stream direct or via youtube?
<jpo> direct
<jpo> youtube is a thing?
<Raito_Bezarius> it is
<Raito_Bezarius> https://tube.cadence.moe/
<Raito_Bezarius> i don't know how well it works
<Raito_Bezarius> but this is also a thing
<davidak[m]> stream seem to work now
<niksnut> MichaelRaskin: an alternative to using modules everywhere is using functions everywhere, if they were discoverable (e.g. docstrings on functions arguments) and were more composable
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<Raito_Bezarius> (looks like it's rate-limited by YT)
<vandenoever> https://dash.nixcon.net/dash/master.m3u8 stream is dead here now for a few minutes already
<davidak[m]> haha, now it hangs again
<jpo> hmm, seems to be working again now (stream on 2020.nixcon.org)
<srhb> vandenoever: I'm running that, seems fine.
<davidak[m]> vandenoever: reload?
<johanot> youtube stream clearly works better for us. we had the same problems as davidak[m] with vlc
<vandenoever> did a few reloads, now it's back
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<vandenoever> jailing commands is great practice which would be nice to have easier
<vandenoever> also for services
<puck> vandenoever: that url should be pretty reliable, so i'm a bit confused as to the issue you have
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<WilliButz> since the start of the event this worked for me without issues: `nix run nixpkgs.mpv -c mpv https://2020.nixcon.org/live.html`
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<phirsch> YT seems to work much better than nixcon.org here today.
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<LnL> niksnut: I wondered about the scoping with "extends" from the examples yesterday, is the idea that everything is still global within the same module?
<ryantm> ๐Ÿ‘
<Henson> thank you!!!
<srhb> Thank you very much! Super interesting ^_^
<davidak[m]> 15 sec. hang vlc
<srhb> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Ox4A6F> > lovelyclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<evalexpr> > moreclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<pn> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<farlion2> +++
<phirsch> ๐Ÿ‘
<LnL> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<bk1603[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<aanderse> ๐Ÿ‘
<wmertens> clapity clapity
<vandenoever> puck: i can get the m8u fine, but the stream player hangs quite often
<risson> MichaelRaskin++
<{^_^}> MichaelRaskin's karma got increased to 49
<vandenoever> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<Raito_Bezarius> > moreclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<bara> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<davidak[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<atopuzov[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<nbathum> > lovelyclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<johanot> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<__Sander__> clap! clap! clap!!!!!
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<roberth> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<nixer|86> 11111111111111111111
<vcunat> ๐Ÿ‘‹
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<nixer|86> ++
<andi-> > builtins.genList (_: claps) 10
<{^_^}> [ <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> ]
<sirikan> 1
<lnlsn> clap clap clap
<srhb> andi-: How lazy of you.
<garbas> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<johanot> :D
<hyperfekt> 0x537
<Henson> haha
<andi-> srhb: P
<farlion2> (clap clap clap)
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<danieldk> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
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<sirikan> has anyone generated app images on nixos?
<Raito_Bezarius> sirikan: AppImage?
<sirikan> yeah
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<Raito_Bezarius> sirikan: I'm not super familiar with it, but I suppose you can do a build support function which builds any derivation to an AppImage app
<Raito_Bezarius> but unsure
<vcunat> :-)
<sirikan> awesome thanks
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<MichaelRaskin> All the stuff mentioned in talk is under this repo
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<Raito_Bezarius> ryantm: afaik, it does not output any AppImage, right?
<ryantm> Raito_Bezarius: Ah, wrap does not mean generate!
<andi-> MichaelRaskin: you mentioned converting fonts for the TTY. One of my long term "wishes" for my TTY is unicode support. Any idea if a "proper" font could help with that?
<lnlsn> MichaelRaskin: thank you for the talk and for sharing this.
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<Raito_Bezarius> andi-: +1 I'm interested in that as well
<Raito_Bezarius> ryantm: hehe
<niksnut> LnL: ideally modules would only have access to options from modules that they have explicitly extended
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<viric> clap clap clap clap clap!
<viric> I was watching the talk with vlc in the mobile phone and it seems it lagged a lot
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<LnL> niksnut: right, but nothing more explicit like how flakes have inputs/outputs?
<sirikan> there goes nixbridge again
<viric> MichaelRaskin: is your setup free of clisp?
<sirikan> sweet thanks
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<niksnut> LnL: a separate issue is that we shouldn't have a giant global namespace of options, which I think is also what MichaelRaskin was talking about
<zakame> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<danieldk> sirikan: if you need an example, here an appimage is built in GH actions: https://github.com/rug-compling/dact/blob/eb772666aeb1bc5a66e4fbd5e02ca9d1f9c5e8b3/.github/workflows/release.yml#L20
<sirikan> awesome thankyou :)
<niksnut> you could say that these modules are a different kind of function, with multiple inputs and outputs
<wirew0rm> hey there :) Is the stream from yesterday still/already up somewhere to rewatch yesterdays talks?
<LnL> niksnut: yeah, that's one of the biggest issues I currently see with it to enable more reuse
<aanderse> niksnut: the global namespace in module system has some positive aspects - with what you have proposed yesterday the idea is to mostly get rid of that (given the "cost" is too high), right?
<Raito_Bezarius> wirew0rm: yes
<Raito_Bezarius> on youtube
<viric> I have good memories of NixOS before-modules
<niksnut> aanderse: well, there would still be a top-level scope where you can override anything
<viric> it was easier to understand
<viric> modules are practical but made me not understand a lot of it.
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<wirew0rm> Raito_Bezarius: I can only find the Day 2 livestream there :/
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<viric> But also systemd came in, which I don't understand much either... but again, it's practical in NixOS. But good that MichaelRaskin pushes in other easier directions
<niksnut> maybe __Sander__ will now make part of MichaelRaskin's dreams come true :-)
<viric> right!
<Raito_Bezarius> wirew0rm: hmmmm, there must be an unlisted video
<aanderse> niksnut: looking forward to hearing more about that over time, thanks
<Raito_Bezarius> let me find it
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<Henson> Raito_Bezarius: jinx!
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<Henson> :-)
<Raito_Bezarius> Henson: hehe
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<wirew0rm> Raito_Bezarius: Henson: thanks a lot +1
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<MichaelRaskin> andi-: I think there is a limitation on how many codepoints a Linux console font can use at once. So I just use fbterm
<MichaelRaskin> viric: SBCL only
<MichaelRaskin> I have CLisp installedf
<andi-> MichaelRaskin: yeah, that is what I thought :/
<MichaelRaskin> niksnut++ on namespace management
<{^_^}> niksnut's karma got increased to 27
<Henson> isn't using Python packages more complicated with nix-shell? You have to write a nix-shell file with a pythonX.withPackages, right? Or define a lambda function to use it from the CLI?
<MichaelRaskin> I think there is a layer where global namespace is a nice option, but now it goes too deep
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<LnL> yeah for tying the final stuff together it makes sense, but that's the last scope
<Raito_Bezarius> nix-shell -p python3.withPackages (ps: with ps; [ numpy โ€ฆ ] ) is not that bad, is it?
<MichaelRaskin> niksnut: my dream is NixOS using __Sander__'s approach as nixpkgs/services subtree
<LnL> the intermediate parts are the things that could be more reusable if they where not global
<Raito_Bezarius> I actually prefer this kind of things
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<manveru> i just wish more modules would avoid using let/in to make part of the configs so i could more easily reuse them for custom services based on the same options...
<viric> cygwin \o/
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<MichaelRaskin> manveru++
<{^_^}> manveru's karma got increased to 45
<Henson> Raito_Bezarius: it's not too bad
<LambdaDuck> This sounds really nice!
<manveru> usually you can easily replace it with `mkOption { type = x; default = "whatever you had in your let block"; }` and use that instead :)
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<viric> what __Sander__ shows looks like it will only miss management the boot + bootloader
<Henson> oh yeah, give it up for SysV!
<Raito_Bezarius> viric: what do you mean managing boot/bootloader?
<Raito_Bezarius> (wow inference looks dope)
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<viric> Use Sander's system for same goal as nixos for the own OS I mean
<Raito_Bezarius> ah, you mean like managing boot entries in Windows for example?
* t184256 is excited for supervisord support (in the context of Android)
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<abathur> Raito_Bezarius: I think viric means that nix + nix-processmgmt + arbitrary OS ~= NixOS - bootloader
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<Henson> cool!
<MichaelRaskin> bootloader management can be built in the same way, I guess?
<Raito_Bezarius> Yeah
<Raito_Bezarius> I believe that bootloader management can be handled at some level using process mgmt
<MichaelRaskin> It's slightly different point of view
<vandenoever> __Sander__: can the processes be given special firewall and container/namespace settings?
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: I hop so
<MichaelRaskin> I believe it is possible to slowly figure out how to split all the data finely enough to reconstruct data for each featureset
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<tobeportable> some parts of this translation abstraction remind me of http://ddollar.github.io/foreman/#EXPORTING
<viric> I forgot it's so hard to spawn multiple instances of a nixos module service. doh.
<Henson> thank you!!!
<srhb> Thanks __Sander__ ! Excellent work, we've been looking for this! :D
<srhb> > claps
<Ox4A6F> > lovelyclaps + rainbowclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<{^_^}> "โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ"
<evalexpr> > moreclaps
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<sirikan> claps
<Raito_Bezarius> > moreclaps
<nbathum> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<ryantm> ๐Ÿ‘
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Raito_Bezarius> thanks a lot __Sander__
<abathur> just being able to reduce a lot of the work down to only having to identify/specify overrides seems like a huge lever for standardizing and refining service config
<lnlsn> claps
<NinjaTrappeur> > claps
<pn> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<niksnut> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<garbas> > claps claps
<{^_^}> attempt to call something which is not a function but a string, at (string):343:1
<viric> claps claps claps!
<tobeportable> thanks so much __Sander__
<nicoo> clap clap clap
<LnL> > claps
<nixer|93073> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<abathur> > claps
<lnlsn> claps
<MichaelRaskin> Thanks, nice talk!
<lnlsn> claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<lnlsn> claps
<lnlsn> claps
<johanot> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<atopuzov[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<sirikan> good talk :)
<lnlsn> claps
<lnlsn> claps
<bara> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<lnlsn> claps
<t184256> clap
<rgoswami> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<andi-> Nice one, long overdue :D
<danieldk> thanks for the really nice talk! ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<garbas> > claps
<LambdaDuck> builtins.concatStringsSep "" (builtins.genList (_: lovelyclaps) 10)
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<phirsch> > claps
<LambdaDuck> > builtins.concatStringsSep "" (builtins.genList (_: lovelyclaps) 10)
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<{^_^}> "รฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข
<rgoswami> went for a double since I missed clapping the last time ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<viric> __Sander__: reminded me of the good pre-modules nixos.
<clever> claps
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<nixer|86> !!!!!! this is the future hopefully thank you so much for this
<farlion2> +++
<nixer|86> 1111111111111111111111
<nixer|86> awesome
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<nixer|10958> what was the breakout room again?
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<nbathum> nixer|10958: nix-processmgmt
<nixer|10958> ah nix- was missing thanks
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<MichaelRaskin> viric: old old times where services/ was a repo!
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: yes!
<Ox4A6F> I'm also updating our pad with links to breakout rooms today: https://cryptpad.piratenpartei.de/code/#/2/code/edit/nNNcnWiDb1S0EYH3fTYo+FoM/
<nbathum> Ox4A6F: :) cheers!
<MichaelRaskin> Ox4A6F++
<{^_^}> Ox4A6F's karma got increased to 0b100
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<Raito_Bezarius> __Sander__++
<{^_^}> __Sander__'s karma got increased to 1
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<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin: arrived just in time for this talk, sorry. Hope all went well
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<MichaelRaskin> eyJhb: yep, all went well
<eyJhb> Perfect! Was there any demos of anything? Also, when will the "live" talk be put up?
<hyperfekt> "last minute decision not to do a live demo" the presentation curse has struck :'D
<srhb> hyperfekt: Oh yeah I know all about those kinds of "decisions" :P
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<MichaelRaskin> eyJhb: no demos, no. It's kind of all evaluation-time, nothing to demo\
<eyJhb> I am dreading my demo next week as well!
<Raito_Bezarius> in my talk, I have done the classical: there will be a demo later
<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin: THta is what I thought
<Raito_Bezarius> and I'm realizing that the demo won't be ready just after my talk :^
<hyperfekt> there clearly is still some work on either robert's or our side to achieve reproducibility at conference-scale
<eyJhb> I love the drawing on the slides
<viric> I can't make the jitsi work with the android app. Should that work?
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<nbathum> viric: meaning the jitsi android app? I have not tried it, but was able to use firefox on android and it worked okay
<viric> ok
<puck> i believe there's something about the apps that doesn't like the setup we have; but we haven't had the time to look into it, seeing as we're running a conference :p
<eyJhb> puck: tshh... Excuses! ;) :p
<jpo> MichaelRaskin: is the lisp symposium lightning talk on your init system online someplace?
<zakame> >clap
<MichaelRaskin> jpo: slides definitely.
<MichaelRaskin> I recordings are different year to year, need to look up
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<df> test
<df> hi
<bk1603[m]> df: hey!
<df> oh i am on the right channel?
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<df> new to irc haha
<srhb> df: Assuming you wanted to talk about the 2020 nixcon, yes ;)
<MichaelRaskin> jpo: interested in a post-session AMA about my system in a breakout room?
<df> yeah yeah nix seems to be getting popular
<df> o.o hows your system?
<nbathum> df: hello!
<sirikan> hi df
<df> hi sirikan
<df> nbathum
<MichaelRaskin> df: did you see my talk (the weird feature slide in the end)?
<df> haha
<vandenoever> puck: i switched to ethernet from wifi and streaming is flawless now
<df> i might have missed it sorry haha
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<df> wil T are you here?
<MichaelRaskin> df: want slide link?
<sirikan> yeah thats me :p
<df> yeah sure that would be nice
<df> oh i'm magmasceptre
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<sirikan> cool :)
<df> holy we have so many users on nixcon
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<sirikan> yeah pretty good turnout
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<viric> damn jitsi, no video either on firefox or chromium
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<hyperfekt> i think having trivial CI could definitely be one of the biggest selling points for nix as a project build tool
<hyperfekt> so i'm really excited about hercules
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<df> anyone tried GUIX?
<Raito_Bezarius> maybe in GuixCon :-ยฐ
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<hyperfekt> df: on that topic there's a nice talk from last nixcon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDGzCXr6VYU
<df> lol guix con
<df> it seems kinda deadish
<LambdaDuck> > lovelyclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ"
<Ox4A6F> > lovelyclaps + rainbowclaps
<pn> > moreclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ"
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<MichaelRaskin> Guix is very alive
<sirikan> 1
<evalexpr> > claps
<nbathum> > lovelyclaps
<nixer|86> 1111111111111111111111111111
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<farlion2> +++
<nixer|86> :)
<zimbatm> clap
<niksnut> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<d10v> lotsofclaps
<atopuzov[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<ryantm> ๐Ÿ‘
<nixer|86> thanks
<dtz> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<dtz> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<lnlsn> claps
<phirsch> :claps:
<johanot> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<bk1603[m]> :clap:
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<abathur> >clap
<abathur> ack
<abathur> >claps
<abathur> man
<abathur> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
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<Henson> thank you for the talk!
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<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
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<bk1603[m]> pie_: I just saw the request on cryptopad regarding the number based SysCallFilter. I am comfortable with C and would like to help, but I must warn you that I know nothing about `systemd`'s internals.
<viric> the m3u8 stream also works quite bad for me in the mobile phone... maybe because of wifi packet loss? no idea.
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<viric> with mpv with cable lan works fine
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<MichaelRaskin> jpo: df: nh2: sphalerite: added https://jitsi.nixcon.org/lang-os ad-hoc breakout to the list, can chat about how I jail things and rest after the sessions
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<Raito_Bezarius> worldofpeace: sound seems low
<Raito_Bezarius> volume*
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<Raito_Bezarius> nevermind, maybe it was me
<puck> oh, sorry, i think i accidentally'd the volume
<danieldk> Raito_Bezarius: nope, same here
<Raito_Bezarius> okay
<nixer|28790> are the videos of yesterday's talks available?
<d10v> Yeah, on Youtube at least NixCon channel
<MichaelRaskin> Should exist in YouTube livestream rewinding
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<d10v> One big stream recording, but there're time codes
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<nixer|28790> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Dygq4Lz0c seems to only contain today
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<sirikan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sQa04olUA0 is one for yesterday
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<nixer|28790> thanks
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<pn> > moreclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<hyperfekt> hyped for content-addressed derivations!!
<phirsch> ๐Ÿ‘
<lnlsn> claps
<sirikan> 1
<t184256> clap
<danieldk> thanks!!!
<atopuzov[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<nixer|86> claps!
<nixer|86982> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<dtz> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<ryantm> ๐Ÿ‘
<d10v> Short talk, huge feature potential ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<evalexpr> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<madjar> I'm really excited about the early-cutoff consequence of content-addressed derivation
<Ox4A6F> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
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<domenkozar[m]> needs to be louder mic?
<LambdaDuck> With content adressed derivations, does this mean we can't construct a derivation file without first building all the dependencies?
<MichaelRaskin> CA is great!
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<evalexpr> domenkozar[m]: +1
<danieldk> now the volume is really low
<Raito_Bezarius> okay
<evalexpr> domenkozar[m]: perhaps it's prerecorded though - but maybe there's something that can be done still - I will increase my own volume for now
<Raito_Bezarius> I thought it was me because I just plugged something but it's really low
<Henson> mmmm, slurm
<Raito_Bezarius> mpv can go more than 100%
<Raito_Bezarius> using 0
<gchristensen> LambdaDuck: no, you can, the CA hashing is done and substituted in there
<l33[m]> worldofpeace: very low audio here?
<evalexpr> Raito_Bezarius: I'm at 130%
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<Raito_Bezarius> evalexpr: 130% makes it okish
<dtz> haha 130% here too
<Raito_Bezarius> you can also go beyond using pulseaudio
<gchristensen> careful to turn it down before world-fpeace talks...
<Raito_Bezarius> but it's gonna be noisy
<domenkozar[m]> :D
<dtz> xD all good. anyway pays attention
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<LambdaDuck> gchristensen: Ah, so the derivation file doesn't contain the content hash, but something that gets substituted for the content hash?
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<rgoswami> https://rgoswami.me/posts/nixcon-in-2020-meta/ (post/slides/other)
<Raito_Bezarius> actually, on the subject, I made nix work on a NFS4 by just applying https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/1584/files
<t184256> Why can't they use proot?
<Raito_Bezarius> BTW, is there a reason it's not merged?
<Raito_Bezarius> t184256: proot does not always work in fact
<t184256> Could you elaborate maybe? The idea is pretty robust and ancient
<d10v> Kind reminder to lower the volume
<Henson> very cool!
<dtz> ty
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<farlion2> worldofclaps
<phirsch> ๐Ÿ‘
<pn> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<evalexpr> > claps
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<Raito_Bezarius> t184256: iirc, one issue that I encountered was on exotic platforms like Android
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<heisenbug> ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘
<Raito_Bezarius> > moreclaps
<d10v> claps ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<t184256> clap
<{^_^}> termux/proot#82 (by RohitPingale, 50 weeks ago, open): proot info: vpid 1: terminated with signal 4
<dtz> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<nixer|86> HPC clap clap
<Ox4A6F> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<sirikan> clap
<evalexpr> > ping
<MichaelRaskin> Supporting Nix on HPC is cool
<{^_^}> "<derivation /nix/store/mv1m8jja96z37m8rg38g984g6nlkz839-ping-0.6.0.drv>"
<bk1603[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<Raito_Bezarius> HPC is super cool <3
<zimbatm> \o/
<phirsch> +1 for HPC ;-)
<noptys> *claps*
<Raito_Bezarius> got bitten by the volume of course
<rgoswami> Raito_Bezarius I do use that patch ^_^
<bew> "configure your home"... let's move the sofa here..
<Raito_Bezarius> rgoswami: I do use too
<Raito_Bezarius> But I wonder why it's not upstream
<Raito_Bezarius> Maybe, there is a cleaner solution
<t184256> Raito_Bezarius: yet it can run nix on Android, I wonder how HPC envs are worse
<srhb> bew: No, you tear down the building and recreate it with the sofa in the right place, obviously.
<Raito_Bezarius> t184256: it cannot run Nix on *all* Android
<Raito_Bezarius> you have situations where there is actually extra hardening killing proot I believe
<gchristensen> personally, I prefer to build a collection of several hundred buildings with the sofa in slightly different configurations
<srhb> gchristensen: "eventually reproducible" -- I see...
<Raito_Bezarius> but ymmv, I don't have any real example at the hand right now
<bew> srhb: my family won't like it^^
<t184256> Raito_Bezarius: hm, is there a bug report for it?
<srhb> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Henson> thank you!
<d10v> wait, you build a new house with a sofa present and can move back if you don't like this sofa
<lnlsn> claps
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<pn> ryantm++
<{^_^}> ryantm's karma got increased to 19
<Ox4A6F> > rainbowclaps
<sirikan> clap
<d10v> claps ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Raito_Bezarius> t184256: for example, iirc, SystemV shared memory calls are noop
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป"
<farlion2> worldofclaps
<Raito_Bezarius> > moreclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Ox4A6F> ryantm:
<nixer|86> !!!!!!!! claps
<roberth> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ Now I want to CD my home config ๐Ÿคฃ
<Ox4A6F> <3 ryantm
<{^_^}> ryantm's karma got increased to 20
<viric> I never managed to have FILES shared among computers
<zimbatm> ryantm: very efficient talk :D
<evalexpr> > moreclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<noptys> ryantm++
<{^_^}> ryantm's karma got increased to 21
<phirsch> ๐Ÿ‘
<jpo> woo browser tunnel!!!
<Raito_Bezarius> :D
<roberth> ryantm++
<{^_^}> ryantm's karma got increased to 0o26
<viric> And that home manager relies on files shared.
<viric> "github central repository" I'm alergic to central things for personal use.
<ryantm> I'm in https://jitsi.nixcon.net/home-manager if people want to talk more.
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<viric> thanks ryantm !
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<niksnut> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
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<pie_> bk1603[m]: hi o/ ^.^ I dont really know anything about systemd either, but in theory everything should be described in the systemd issue
<domenkozar[m]> browser tunnel is the closest we'll get to an amusement parks this year
<dtz> :)
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<Raito_Bezarius> viric: syncthing works well :p
<Raito_Bezarius> domenkozar[m]: hahahaha
<pie_> hyperfekt: re: ci: i tried to make something once that i didnt really get anywhere with that i should pick up again - the idea was some kind of simple local ci attached toa git repo that would do something like the "its not rocket science" style ci scheme
<viric> Raito_Bezarius: syncthing feels so dangerous! I lost files with it
<Raito_Bezarius> I can answer questions interactively
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<Raito_Bezarius> as this is something I wrote this summer
<Raito_Bezarius> (the current talk)
<t184256> __Sander__: just a thought, home-manager + system user instance could also be an interesting target for your process management abstraction
<hyperfekt> pie_: yes you should!
<bew> t184256: this post talks about hpc difficulties https://rgoswami.me/posts/prov-dots/
<pie_> hyperfekt: this morning was thinking i should probably just try imlementing it with git hooks
<pie_> its kinda low on the list tho :c too much to do
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<hyperfekt> i feel that
<pie_> setup.pie
<bk1603[m]> pie_: \o Hey! I just finished reading the issue, I am gonna take a look at the source code tonight and see if I can help with this :)
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<pie_> bk1603[m]: ^.^
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<pie_> bk1603[m]: maybe add a note on the pad that youre looking at it
<t184256> bew: they shouldn't've given up, it just needs more work =(
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<evalexpr> > moreclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<dtz> clap clap clap
<worldofpeace> Source to nickel https://github.com/tweag/nickel
<farlion2> +++
<worldofpeace> clap clap clap clap calp
<worldofpeace> clap
<Ox4A6F> > rainbowclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ"
<dtz> who knew gnu less was so complicated we needed a lightning talk to configure it (jk jk)
<pie_> bk1603[m]: was there anything that wasnt clear from the issue?
<MichaelRaskin> dtz: it actually has configuration and there are quite a few featuresโ€ฆ
<pie_> noooooo :d nix isnt a general purpose language :ppp
<viric> discoverability.... "nix-env -qa" time.
<Raito_Bezarius> manix*
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<andi-> Does that mean Nickel does have an LPS so I can discover valid functions that I can call while writing the code? :)
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<pie_> why not dhall? :thinking:
<andi-> I played with dhall-kubernetes the other day and it wasn't nice.. It still exploded in production and was a lot of boilerplate :/
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<Raito_Bezarius> the problem is kubernetes I think
<Raito_Bezarius> :p
<pie_> aha
<madjar> @pie_ The readme mentions "no type annotations"
<d10v> any experience using cue-lang, folks?
<dtz> (yes indeed re:less haha)
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<jpo> andi-: LPS?
<gchristensen> LSP
<andi-> s/LPS/LSP/
<Raito_Bezarius> Language Protocol Server
<Raito_Bezarius> ou Language Server Protocol
<viric> I didn't understand a word about this nickel
<jpo> aha
<edef> https://github.com/tweag/nickel for those interested in the code
<Raito_Bezarius> viric: it's just replacing the Nix language
<DigitalKiwi> doesn't kubernates use yaml 1 and dhall is yaml 2
<farlion2> +++
<Henson> thank you speakers!!
<dtz> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<d10v> claps ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<evalexpr> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<phirsch> ๐Ÿ‘
<nixer|86> claps!
<pie_> DigitalKiwi: thats a big major version jump then x
<pie_> xd
<nixer|86> !!!!!!!
<andi-> DigitalKiwi: I used it with JSON (since YAML is a superset).
<viric> Raito_Bezarius: I missed the part "And nickel is this"
<viric> :)
<nh2[m]> The Nickel URL doesn't seem to work for me, this substitution does: www.github.io/tweag/nickel -> www.github.com/tweag/nickel
<DigitalKiwi> i might not have the exact version right but there is a version difference and it's caused problems (one i'm thinking of is octet handling)
<andi-> I concluded that k8s can only be validated against a running cluster as all of the current approaches were throwing the same error after schema validation.
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<edef> also, reminder that if you haven't gotten around to it, there's still Mutable shirts and stickers at https://mutable.io/nixcon
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<gchristensen> ooo!
<niksnut> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<gchristensen> edef: the one from last year is *still* so soft
<edef> even *i* don't have these shirts yet, they're that fresh off the press
<Raito_Bezarius> :D
<Raito_Bezarius> where is the Nix swag though?
<edef> praying they're as soft as our usual
<gchristensen> edef: are these shirt sizes US or EU?
<adamt> What happened to the IPFS talk? :)
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<Raito_Bezarius> it's coming
<Raito_Bezarius> it's not a lightning talk
<edef> gchristensen: good question! i'm not sure
<adamt> I see, it's 10 minutes instead of 5
<Raito_Bezarius> a rain talk
<viric> :)
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<gchristensen> b/c I'm definitely a medium american but not a medium european
<viric> I'm always attracted by decentralizing...
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<edef> gchristensen: if you can leave a note in the final freeform field, i can fix that up later
<DigitalKiwi> ohhi arianvp
<gchristensen> cool
<DigitalKiwi> pie_: 1.1 and 1.2
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<JosW> @arianvp you didn't try to get nix onto the Corana app building :)
<jpo> did we miss the "Nix x IPFS" and "NixOps for Proxmox" lightening talks?
<Raito_Bezarius> no
<Raito_Bezarius> those are not lightning talks
<DigitalKiwi> does anyone want hand painted nixos stickers
<Raito_Bezarius> NixOps for Proxmox shows up as lightning in terms of timing, but if you go in the list of talks, it's a *thunder* talk
<jpo> so some of the ligtening talks were just reordered?
<viric> the timetable says in 4 minutes for the ipfs
<gchristensen> DigitalKiwi's hand painted stickers are really amazing
<jpo> aha. thanks
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<Raito_Bezarius> check them out there
<DigitalKiwi> i started making 144 to give away a while ago... i haven't finished them so i can make whatever colors
<edef> DigitalKiwi: count me in!
<Raito_Bezarius> DigitalKiwi: me too !
<evalexpr> DigitalKiwi: I'd love one :)
<DigitalKiwi> there are links i need to add pictures directly ;_;
<puck> ooooh
<DigitalKiwi> but uh...life happened
<Raito_Bezarius> :'D
<Raito_Bezarius> wow
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<DigitalKiwi> https://mostlyabsurd.com/gallery/ or twitter @ArchKiwi
<Raito_Bezarius> is there a step where you compute a derivation of your stickers DigitalKiwi ? :p
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<Raito_Bezarius> i really want one now :p
<puck> oh, those stickers, they're gooood
<gchristensen> <3 DigitalKiwi
<{^_^}> DigitalKiwi's karma got increased to 22
<Raito_Bezarius> DigitalKiwi++
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<risson> me too me too!
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<Raito_Bezarius> Nix ร— IPFS time jpo
<dtz> hype hype
<DigitalKiwi> risson: when i send a viola ;_;
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<risson> DigitalKiwi: can't wait :D
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<DigitalKiwi> i have the pi and the leds
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<DigitalKiwi> now i just need the willpower and the wood ;_;
<risson> clever: let's chat here though, don't want to pollute -qa
<Raito_Bezarius> claps for ipfs
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<clever> sure
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<clever> risson: this ipfs stuff could provide an alternative way to get the closure onto the machine, without taxing one point
<risson> yes indeed, but I still want a quick download at boot, I'm not sure ipfs fits in that part of the workflow
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<clever> i remember ipfs having some mild privacy issues, you can get a list of pubkeys for every user who has a given block
<clever> and you can get the pub-ip of a given pubkey, so you can then track that user
<risson> That's not great but then you wouldn't be able to do much with our public ips
<viric> all decentralized things have issues
<MichaelRaskin> clever: How it compares to DHT Bittorrent?
<andi-> all things shave issues
<risson> also, we are behind nat so you can't reach the machine directly
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<viric> andi-: ++
<clever> MichaelRaskin: i think bittorrent generates a random pubkey on startup, while ipfs has a pubkey that persists between restarts
<risson> our isp doesn't support ipv6 :/
<andi-> switch :)
<gchristensen> LOL
<Raito_Bezarius> risson: Renater?
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<viric> clever: tox tries to be clever by hiding that permanent pubkey
<risson> clever: yeah but then the pubkey would be deleted when the machine reboots
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<risson> Raito_Bezarius: nope, the Bocal I mentionned yesterday
<dtz> booooo strings
<Raito_Bezarius> risson: oh okay, but they're doing BGP themselves and so on?
<risson> I think so
<Raito_Bezarius> wow
<clever> viric: tox only ever shares the long-term pubkey with trusted peers, and does that initial handshake over onion routing to keep you hidden from others
<viric> clever: exactly
<worldofpeace> I apologize to everyone on the scheduling issues. The problem is the cfp software for calendaring is just not good. we had a bug where we had 80+ break slots ๐Ÿ˜€ This talk is full length and I will get the duration of the proxmox one
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<Raito_Bezarius> 15 mn
<Raito_Bezarius> for the Proxmox one
<Raito_Bezarius> theorically :D
<puck> plus Q&A :p
<Raito_Bezarius> O:-)
<risson> Raito_Bezarius: AS56339
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<worldofpeace> Yeah, it's confirmed 15 mins and the Q&A can eat that extra time
<Raito_Bezarius> risson: Interesting
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<risson> The Bocal actually has a /16 of public ips which is insane x)
<Raito_Bezarius> IPv4?
<risson> yup
<Raito_Bezarius> Classical French school
<Raito_Bezarius> ENS has /16 too
<viric> ipfs was a saver when the Spanish government crushed the independence referendum census website
<Raito_Bezarius> (and I cannot even steal them for my own usage)
<viric> then they banned the ipfs proxies, but ipfs worked fine
<Raito_Bezarius> viric: interesting
<dtz> teehee "floating"
<Raito_Bezarius> magic derivation
<LambdaDuck> What is the difference between ipfs and bittorrent?
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<clever> LambdaDuck: torrents group many files into one big block (a torrent), and you have to have the description of that whole block to download any part
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<clever> LambdaDuck: while ipfs has a hash for each file, and then a hash for each directory (a hash of the name+hash pairs)
<aszlig> oh gosh... std::variant... i still have nightmares of std::visit X-D
<clever> LambdaDuck: so you can fetch any subdir, or combine multiple dirs/files into a new dir, without making a new and self-contained entity
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<LambdaDuck> Ah, that makes sense
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<Raito_Bezarius> aszlig: oh you're here! :p
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<Raito_Bezarius> aszlig: i will mention nixpart :)
<clever> LambdaDuck: ipfs also lets a user only have half a file, while torrents prefer to get the entire collection of files
<t184256> You know a language is powerful when mere mentions of standard library features invoke PTSD =D
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<LambdaDuck> clever: Does ipfs use merkle trees for large files in the same way that bittorrent does?
<aszlig> t184256: :-D
<viric> good, this git thing!
<aszlig> Raito_Bezarius: uh... when?
<Raito_Bezarius> aszlig: just after this talk :)
<Raito_Bezarius> regarding NixOps for Proxmox
<clever> LambdaDuck: ipfs does use merkle trees, torrents dont
<Divanorama> How content can be floating if it is output-content-addresed?
<jpo> holy shit, this is cool
<viric> I've never seen the word provenance before
<clever> LambdaDuck: for a torrent, the entire blob is broken into a list of fixed-length chunks, and each chunk is hashed, then all of those hashes are put into one big list in the .torrent file
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<Raito_Bezarius> viric: it's actually a concept iirc
<MichaelRaskin> What happens first, git SHA1 hashing support in Nix, or git finally learns SHA256โ€ฆ
<clever> LambdaDuck: but ipfs has a limit to the number of hashes in a list, and will merkle its way as many layers deep as it needs
<edef> MichaelRaskin: the latter
<jpo> git already knows sha256 to some extent
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<edef> MichaelRaskin: the former is in the future, the latter is in the past/present
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<Raito_Bezarius> :D
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<edef> MichaelRaskin: it's not *done* by any measure aiui
<MichaelRaskin> I know they have _some_ code
<clever> LambdaDuck: you can also abuse the merkle tree in ipfs, to concat to a file, but if you re-add the file back into ipfs, youll get a different hash, because you where creating an unbalanced tree
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<clever> LambdaDuck: while torrents are effectively read-only, and you have no way to say "that other thing" + "this new data"
<nixer|10958> oooh that's very clever! this concat thing
<nixer|10958> it's like a crappy twitter feed
<nixer|10958> thanks for that
<pie_> i think this turned into a full talk haha
<edef> gchristensen: for shirts fulfilled from the US, expect US sizing
<Raito_Bezarius> edef: and for the rest, EU ?
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<edef> Raito_Bezarius: checking on that
<Raito_Bezarius> thanks edef !
<clever> risson: my old idea of how to integrate ipfs into nix, was to just add the ipfs hash to `curl https://cache.nixos.org/xigwhh0hhw17bw3r86b8xy187bnk02qm.narinfo`
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<hyperfekt> yay for IPFS + Nix
<clever> risson: so you can fetch from http, or ipfs, and the binary cache acts as a map from input-addressing to content-addressing
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<risson> clever: this is all still blurry for me
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<clever> risson: if you run the above curl, you should see a URL pointing to a .nar.xz file
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<risson> yes indeed
<risson> So you would have something else that points to an ipfs object?
<clever> risson: when nix wants /nix/store/${hash}-${name}, it will fetch ${hash}.narinfo, which then describes how to DL it
<clever> and my old idea, was to just add the ipfs hash to the narinfo, so you have a second way to download the .nar.xz
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<risson> that seems clever
<risson> :D
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<nixer|6515> Being not pure `Derivation -> Hash` might produce many different hashes?
<nixer|10958> >.<
<clever> and the issue, is that IPFS is entirely content addressed (hash of output), but nix is input addressed (${hash} is a hash of the build inputs)
<nixer|6515> Should it be Derivation -> Set[Hash] ?
<nixer|6515> Should it be Derivation -> Set[Hash] ?
<chkno> Is fetching by git tree hash performant? Does recursion through the git tree hash mean fetching each file individually?
<ghuntley> tbh I don't get home-manager. maybe I'm wrong demographic, when it's more fleshed out with more IP/modules/support then maybe I'll switch back.
<gchristensen> nixer|6515: yes, it isn't possible to guarantee a given build will produce the same hash every time
<nixer|10958> difference between reproducible builds and deterministic builds
<ghuntley> stow + git solves my personal home-manager woes.
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<niksnut> my worry is mostly that negative lookups will take a long time with IPFS
<ryantm> ghuntley: I used to use git+stow. What I like is that I can leverage other people's configuration of popular things, and it also can manage user services for me, like sshagent
<niksnut> in a distributed system nobody knows to say no
<dtz> i like pushing my home configuration into my nixos configuration so it's updated with nixos-rebuild
<srhb> Thanks John! ^_^
<dtz> FWIW
<Henson> thank you!
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<evalexpr> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<atopuzov[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<zakame> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<dtz> > claps
<Raito_Bezarius> > moreclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Ox4A6F> > rainbowclaps
<vcunat> ๐Ÿ‘‹
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ"
<lnlsn> claps claps claps claps
<ryantm> ๐Ÿ‘
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<niksnut> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<dtz> clap clap clap clap
<aszlig> clapedyclapclap
<nixer|86> clap clap !!!
<noptys> *clap*!
<dtz> thanks john, esp for help w/musl + cross-compilation! :D
<Ericson2314> thanks you all!
<nixer|86> thx
<__Sander__> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!!!!!!!!!
<farlion> worldofclaps
<jpo> ^ :D
<Ox4A6F> <3 Ericson2314
<{^_^}> Ericson2314's karma got increased to 10, it's a crit!
<LambdaDuck> > lovelyclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ"
<phirsch> ๐Ÿ‘
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<niksnut> thanks Ericson2314 :-)
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<eyJhb> edef, nbathum, puck : when will recordings be up?
<Ericson2314> <niksnut "my worry is mostly that negative"> That's why we should start building and querying substitutors in parallel and let whoever finishes first win! :)
<edef> eyJhb: for yesterday or today?
<edef> eyJhb: because for today they are up already
<edef> eyJhb: in the sense that you can go backwards in the stream
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<edef> eyJhb: and for yesterday there's a youtube recording (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sQa04olUA0)
<puck> we'll be splitting up the stream soon, but probably after everything has calmed down a bit
<eyJhb> Perfect, thanks!
<Ox4A6F> Ericson2314: are you going to join the breakout room?
<eyJhb> Got a lot to watch then. Great people all of you
<Ericson2314> [0x4A6F]: per talk room?
<Ericson2314> oh!
<eyJhb> :D
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<eyJhb> Is there no sound in Jitsi if you mute mic?
<eyJhb> Or is no one speaking?
<sphalerite> eyJhb: no, muting your mic doesn't stop you from hearing everyone else
<edef> y'all fellow nerds seem to be shy creatures, so the breakout rooms fall silent sometimes <3
<eyJhb> Ah...
<eyJhb> Well, I have no mic and are not at home, so I just wanted to listen :p
<eyJhb> But I fo find IPFS very interesting with Nix, especially putting /nix/store into it
<Ox4A6F> I wonder why jitsi enables mic and video on initial join.
<phirsch> [0x4A6F]: You can disable this - at least with the electron client.
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<eyJhb> Hoped there would be some questions for Ericson2314 in there
<MichaelRaskin> I guess cross-room settings sharing on a single server would make sense
<MichaelRaskin> You can disable before joining, but it might not transfer to the next room
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<Ox4A6F> After reloading mic and cam are activated in the joining screen. Trying not to use electron.
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<sphalerite> Ox4A6F: you can deny permission, or switch them back off via the jitsi UI before actually joining the room
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<phirsch> ๐Ÿ‘
<infinisil> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<ryantm> ๐Ÿ‘
<Henson> thank you!
<lnlsn> claps
<d10v> thanks! ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<lukebfox[m]> good talk!
<Ox4A6F> sphalerite: Yes, learned that the hard way.
<Henson> moreclaps
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<atopuzov[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<noptys> woo! *clap*
<zakame> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<sphalerite> aren't those waves, not claps?
<Henson> sphalerite: yeah, they are
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<srhb> Thank you! ^_^
<srhb> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<MichaelRaskin> Thanks!
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<aszlig> clapedyclapclap =)
<farlion> +++
<sphalerite> > rainbowclaps
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<NinjaTrappeur> > claps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ"
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Ox4A6F> > rainbowclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘"
<nicoo> > claps
<infinisil> Nicely done!
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<nicoo> Raito_Bezarius++
<dtz> clap clap clap clap clap clappers clappity clap clappy
<{^_^}> Raito_Bezarius's karma got increased to 5
<Raito_Bezarius> thanks :)
<adamt> Is the stream lagging for anybody else? (using the VLC link here)
<nbathum> > lovelyclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
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<nixer|86> clap clap!
<sphalerite> > concatStrings [rainbowclaps rainbowclaps rainbowclaps]
<{^_^}> "รฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐ
<nixer|86> 111111
<nixer|86> :)
<adamt> Nvm, seems fine now.
<sphalerite> oh boy.
<Raito_Bezarius> I'm in the breakout room :)
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<nixer|20654> hi, will there be recordings online later?
<infinisil> sphalerite: Interesting..
<nbathum> nixer|20654: yep
<niksnut> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<Henson> sphalerite: I didn't know nixbot could evaluate expressions like that!
<nbathum> youtube and peertube I think, don't have details on hand
<sphalerite> > rainbowclaps + rainbowclaps
<{^_^}> "รฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐ
<jtojnar> > waves
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘"
<sphalerite> > substring 0 10 rainbowclaps
<jtojnar> > claps
<sphalerite> jtojnar: hah, I see what someone did there.
<infinisil> Oh I think it's broken lol, restarting..
<sphalerite> did I break it?
<infinisil> I think trying to get substrings from emojis breaks it yeah!
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<nbathum> starting back up at :30
<ma27[m]> you are a real linux hackermann sphalerite ;)
<ma27[m]> (scnr)
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<sphalerite> ma27[m]: ha.
<sphalerite> infinisil: I guess substring operates on bytes, which breaks the UTF-8 stream mid-codepoint?
<infinisil> Maybe something like that yeah
<MichaelRaskin> Every day is a Unicode Awareness day!
<infinisil> ALso, I suspect the weird output above might be the IRC message limit being reached
<FireFly> yeah, I think so
<Henson> MichaelRaskin: hahaha
<FireFly> it looks like the messages being cut off by the 510-byte limit on raw messages, and clients interpreting the rest as non-UTF-8
<infinisil> Though I can't reproduce in #bottest
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<infinisil> > ircpalette
<{^_^}> "blackbluebrowncyandarkgraygraygreenlightbluelightcyanlightgreenlightmagentalightredmagentaredwhiteyellow"
<infinisil> Ah, colors aren't enabled here :)
<Henson> I can hear you!
<ryantm> We hear you!
<infinisil> We can hear you!
<__Sander__> we can hear you!
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<aszlig> garbas: i remember one quote very clearly: "kill the wiki" :-D
<Henson> those are the most delicious-looking Nix logos I've never seen!
<jpo> Henson++
<{^_^}> Henson's karma got increased to 10
<worldofpeace> that transition has me cackling
<Henson> worldofpeace: it was awesome!
<worldofpeace> like the scariest monster high dolls did it for me
<JosW> :)
<pie_> is the fifty nine a germanism? :D
<Raito_Bezarius> is it a Nix talk
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<Raito_Bezarius> or a puppet talk :D
<aszlig> pie_: it is
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<sphalerite> Raito_Bezarius: yes.
<dtz> "putting a date night shirt on Nix"
<aszlig> pie_: "fuenfundneunzig" -> "five and ninety"
<sphalerite> dtz++
<{^_^}> dtz's karma got increased to 3
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<pie_> aszlig: yeah that and the mention of berlin is why i was wondering :D
<pie_> i knwo a little german
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<tobeportable> "putting a nix shirt on for a date"
<jpo> tobeportable++
<{^_^}> tobeportable's karma got increased to 2
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<pie_> well that will work well for this audience i think xd
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<dtz> lmao <3
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<zimbatm> if you do cool things, and don't let people know about it, then it's not going to be adopted
<Henson> ah, now I understand why the nixos website was revamped!
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<nixer|86> +1 for the mugs in the background
<Raito_Bezarius> Henson: and it's the first step :-)))
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<andi-> I sidagree on the vision that NixOS is only for clouds. The talks in the last days and last years clearly have shown that people are running it on strange machines everywhere. Maybe it is the most visible use case?
<worldofpeace> soon trademark
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<Raito_Bezarius> andi-: it's the usecase that gives the more money :-ยฐ
<andi-> Is that our focus? Money?
<NinjaTrappeur> andi-++
<{^_^}> andi-'s karma got increased to 40
<andi-> Is NixOS Foundation looking for profits?
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<Raito_Bezarius> that was mostly a semi-troll
<gchristensen> 14:49 <Ox4A6F> Or each time master breaks, NixOS foundation is planting a tree.
<jpo> sustainable maintainership is a nice thing
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<Raito_Bezarius> I believe that interesting industry users is important
<gchristensen> this is a good idea, though it may incentivise the nixos foundation to eliminate all the things which can cause master to "break", ie: all the checks :)
<Raito_Bezarius> The only thing I want to avoid at all cost is that we get opensource volunteer burnout
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<Raito_Bezarius> and we lose our lovely NixOS Foundation
<Raito_Bezarius> gchristensen: ZHF version Trees
<MichaelRaskin> andi-: people who will run Nix on interesting machines, are more likely to read and appreciate The Thesis
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<MichaelRaskin> (or all the other technical writing for the competent)
<gchristensen> andi-: yes I think nixos's resilience is LEAST interesting for the cloud
<gchristensen> positively boring, actually
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<davidak[m]> is audio gone? vlc
<Raito_Bezarius> still good for me ; mpv
<__Sander__> I too agree with garbas about Nix and Docker. And btw, Docker is not completely a "competitor" -- it does have some overlapping use cases, but Nix really stands out as a solution for building/deploying packages and static artifacts. Docker is useful as a verhice to manage application lifecycles as well. And of course, it provides isolation, that is convenient for experimentation
<MichaelRaskin> I have it in Chromium
<andi-> Most of the cloud workloads that I hear about are not about provisioning VMs. It is about scheduling jobs on some $scheduler and just providing the execution closure as some sort of bundle (OCI, โ€ฆ)
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<gchristensen> yeah.
<Raito_Bezarius> But you still have to provision your cloud on baremetal machines, so I suppose there is some interesting work in this area using Nix(OS)
<MichaelRaskin> It's just as if we need to make it simpler to run our services inside whatever, not just as a full OS
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<andi-> NixOS shines for those use cases wehre you still need or want your own hardware. Where you have environments that aren't the cloud etc..
<LnL> and we're back at the start of the day :)
<gchristensen> Nix shines elsewhere :)
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<andi-> Raito_Bezarius: I agree but those are not the "95%" cases
<Raito_Bezarius> True
<MichaelRaskin> Also, for VM carrying hardware, you do not really have the kind of flows where NixOS is important
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<Raito_Bezarius> Hopefully, I'll be able to run Nix on my very own homemade RISC-V processor someday :)
<gchristensen> this reminds me that I wish more of NixOS's "services" (which are really not "System"ey) were defined based purely on nixpkgs plonked in to a "run these things" list
<gchristensen> and then those same things could be, again, exported to other "run these things" things
<MichaelRaskin> gchristensen: indeed, two first talks today, me and __Sander__
<gchristensen> yeah :) I know, I'm in total agreement
<Ox4A6F> <3 garbas
<{^_^}> garbas's karma got increased to 23
<davidak[m]> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
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<MichaelRaskin> Maybe it is indeed time to write RFC on that
<hexa-> garbas++
<{^_^}> garbas's karma got increased to 24
<atopuzov[m]> ๐Ÿ‘
<phirsch> ๐Ÿ‘
<Ox4A6F> > concatStrings [lovelyclaps rainbowclaps lovelyclaps]
<gchristensen> interestingly, it is really trivial to nix-env a nixpkgs with a service and have systemd run them
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹"
<aszlig> > builtins.genList clap:clap:clap 3
<gchristensen> > moreclaps
<viric> MichaelRaskin: can you tell Ericson2314 about acestream & sopcast?
<{^_^}> [ <CODE> <CODE> <CODE> ]
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<Raito_Bezarius> > moreclaps
<farlion> tree++
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<davidak[m]> garbas++
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<tobeportable> btw i use nix
<srhb> Thanks Rok!
<Henson> thank you garbas!
<Henson> claps
<MichaelRaskin> viric: what's that?
<dtz> clap clap clap clap
<bew> > lovelyclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ"
<viric> MichaelRaskin: you don't watch football
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<Henson> thank you!
<nixer|86> garbas++
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<niksnut> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
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<hyperfekt> huge props to the marketing team!! really important for nix
<bew> I want moar talks :p
<zimbatm> garbas++
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<nixer|28> I want to use this occasion to thank all those people who regularly mention nix and nixos on Hacker News whenever someone builds another clever solution to do X, I guess that is marketing as well.
<nicoo> > lovelyclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹"
<__Sander__> !1!1!1!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
<dtz> yeah, it's really amazing what has been done in just past year or so
<MichaelRaskin> Thanks for the talk!
<lukebfox[m]> yeah would love to see a follow up to this talk next year
<MichaelRaskin> And for all the work
<hyperfekt> the missing talk from yesterday is not going to happen?
<lukebfox[m]> super important stuff
<bara> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<Henson> can we repurpose one of the AI academic-paper writing progams to make an infinity of Nix talks that we can keep watching?
<MichaelRaskin> I wonder at what time it will become time to split facets
<zimbatm> nixer|28: for sure, marketing is about creating awareness
<nicoo> Henson: Ohno
<bew> Henson: great idea
<MichaelRaskin> Henson: I think there a lot of blogposts, with code snippets! espeak the content/slide the code
<nixer|86> clap clap
<nixer|86> !!
<zakame> > lovelyclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ"
<noptys> *clap*
<noptys> garbas++
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<Henson> MichaelRaskin: great idea!
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<Raito_Bezarius> nixer|28: i'm one of those :'D
<JosW> no breakout room for the last talk?
<garbas> thank you everybody. this video conferencing is hard stuff :) if you have any questions regarding the marketing shoot me dm
<nixer|28> Raito_Bezarius++
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<Raito_Bezarius> nixer|28: well, thanks :)
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<MichaelRaskin> __Sander__ gchristensen: should we declare a Hackday breakout and try throwing together first draft of what we want in an RFC on orthogonality of services? We might have better chances to build up a wave now while the topic is hotโ€ฆ
<tobeportable> nixer|28, definitely, I am always pleased to see this great project getting exposure through by us through HN, /r/unixporn, repology, haskell, etc ...
<ryantm> ๐Ÿ‘
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<__Sander__> MichaelRaskin, gchristensen: sure
<gchristensen> MichaelRaskin: I can't right now, can only do minimal IRCing :)
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<t184256> I just wrote a bit of code to autoimport directories worth of .nix files. If somebody feels like explaining me why it's a bad idea, please hop into my breakout room.
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<MichaelRaskin> gchristensen: I think tomorrow anyway, but sure, you have a baby to care about
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<qyliss> t184256: you might be interested in https://code.tvl.fyi/tree/nix/readTree/README.md
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<MichaelRaskin> __Sander__: are you going to be around after kickoff if we want it to be a Hackday event?
<MichaelRaskin> (adding a pad entry now)
<zimbatm> nbathum++
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<zimbatm> worldofpeace++
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<zimbatm> edef++
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<zimbatm> puck++
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<zimbatm> ^^ all the organizers
<MichaelRaskin> qyliss++
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<Raito_Bezarius> puck++
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<df> he
<df> hi
<t184256> qyliss: thanks, this is definitely relevant, though very different
<ryantm> puck++
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<hyperfekt> "however many issues there are in nixos i CANNOT go back" mood
<Ox4A6F> puck <3
<ryantm> NIXCON RAN ON NIXOS!!!
<Henson> you all did a great job, and all on open source software, too. Awesome!!
<Ox4A6F> <3 puck
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<Henson> puck++
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<Henson> qyliss++
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<qyliss> <3 puck
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<niksnut> puck++
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<Henson> edef++
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<Henson> nbathum++
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<Henson> worldofpeace++
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<Henson> zimbatm++
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<Ericson2314> puck++
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<viric> thank you all for the nixcon, definitely
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<viric> MichaelRaskin: what is 'a pad entry'?
<qyliss> big shoutout for puck for basically taking on all the tech stuff when edef and I burned out a bit before the conference
<MichaelRaskin> Thanks for all the work, puck++ qyliss++ nbathum++ worldofpeace++ edef++ โ€” it ran quite nicely
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<viric> I just noticed this nickname++ has effects beyond others reading it
<MichaelRaskin> Bot provides flood multiplication factor!\
<Ox4A6F> Thanks and <3 for all the work, puck++ qyliss++ nbathum++ worldofpeace++ edef++
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* nicoo sends very soft hugs, and many thanks, to edef, puck, qyliss, worldofpeace, and whoever else made all this possible <3
<edef> thanks for attending y'all <3
<spacekookie> <3 puck++ edef++ qyliss++ nbathum++ worldofpeace++
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<phirsch> Thanks so much! puck++ qyliss++ nbathum++ worldofpeace++ edef++
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<niksnut> qyliss++
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<Henson> you all need to take a well-deserved rest after this!
<qyliss> worldofpeace: I got us hooked up for peertube last night/today while you were busy running the talks :P
<edef> there's video to cut up and hack day jitsi infra to watch over tomorrow, but i'll *probably* try to have a lazy monday :p
<viric> Ericson2314: ah well, peertube there is. not for livestream though, I think.
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<viric> ahh thank you qyliss
<pie_> oh i bet thats cool
<qyliss> ^ this is all our NixOS config, although it's not quite up to date and some stuff we're running is still in PRs
<edef> yeah, the DASH change we did last night is definitely not merged yet
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<edef> we'll be trying to catch that repo up to the current state of infra, and with a little luck the GCP infra can go in there too as Terraform
<puck> ooh
<puck> yeah, good idea
<edef> it was my original intention to do so, but we're running on what was basically the test/staging GCP project :p
<clever> qyliss: me and taktoa had also played a bit with an rtmp server in nginx+nixos, https://github.com/cleverca22/nixos-configs/blob/master/rtmp.nix
<puck> edef: i'm not entirely sure how we should publish the go bits
<clever> qyliss: that will accept a stream from obs, and let others then play it, but the UI is a bit clunky
<qyliss> clever: we mostly ended up just using ffmpeg rather than nginx, because we had some reliability issues with nginx-rtmp-module
<noptys> qyliss++
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<edef> puck: i can adapt it to the nixpkgs Go tooling if need be
<clever> qyliss: yeah, i dont use it much, and its tricky to get it to work right after not using it for a year
<edef> puck: or we can merge in buildGo
<zimbatm> nbathum: you did great!
<puck> yeah, that's a decent plan
<qyliss> hahahaha we got PLAYED
<aszlig> i hate this karma thing, but: puck++ qyliss++ nbathum++ worldofpeace++ edef++
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<qyliss> :P
<zimbatm> qyliss++
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<garbas> nbathum++
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<aszlig> i've attended several online conferences and this one went quite smooth in comparison
<niksnut> nbathum++
<FireFly> puck++, edef++, qyliss++, nbathum++, worldofpeace++; y'all did an excellent job
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<dtz> i love the bot's cute quirks re:karma updates
<nicoo> edef: โ€œwe're running on what was basically the test/staging GCP projectโ€ -> This give extra truth to everyone having a test environment (but fewer having a separate production one) <3
<gchristensen> puck++ edef++ qyliss++ nbathum++ worldofpeace++
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<garbas> puck++
<FireFly> I hope the karma spam isn't too annoying :P
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<{^_^}> nbathum's karma got increased to 18, that's Numberwang!
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<edef> qyliss: me, watching the sponsor readout segment on the livestream https://media2.giphy.com/media/347044wLOezDO/giphy.gif
<FireFly> haha
<gchristensen> lol
<qyliss> worldofpeace++ we couldn't have had a better MC
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<tobeportable> worldofpeace++
<hyperfekt> oh wow
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<davidak[m]> puck++, edef++, qyliss++, nbathum++, worldofpeace++; y'all did an excellent job
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<edef> <3 worldofpeace
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<garbas> worldofpeace++
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<hyperfekt> i'm super surprised since WORLDofPEACE did such a great job
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<qyliss> that they hadn't MCed before?
<hyperfekt> yup
<FireFly> I didn't realise that
<JosW> worldofpeace++
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<garbas> puck++
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<ryantm> Great job worldofpeace
<edef> major props to worldofpeace for pulling everything together, and nbathum++ for pulling us all through this
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<JosW> Big thank you for all involved in getting this done.
<davidak[m]> worldofpeace++, worldofpeace++, worldofpeace++, worldofpeace++, worldofpeace++
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<FireFly> heh, clever bot, detects if you're trying to increment karma of one user multiple times in one line
<davidak[m]> :D
<puck> edef++, qyliss++, nbathum++, worldofpeace++ <3 y'all
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<nbathum> <3
<qyliss> oh yeah worldofpeace++ for being so dedicated for sound checking everybody
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<Henson> the online version enabled me to participate!
<ryantm> online version enabled me too!
<niksnut> worldofpeace++
<davidak[m]> this was a great experience!
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<dtz> yeah!!! this was GREAT!!
<niksnut> edef++
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<dtz> \o/ \o/ \o/
<dtz> rah rah \o/
<Henson> thank you worldofpeace and puck for staying up all night to do media checks!
<clever> worldofpeace: i dont know why, but if i open obs, my swap usage increases at a rate of 1gig/minute, and yeah, that can kill any attempt to streaming
<Henson> wooo hooooo!!!!!
<JosW> BRAVO!!
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<atopuzov[m]> You all did a great job! thank you all!
<zakame> congrats for nixcon! > lovelyclaps
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<Henson> ๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<ryantm> ๐Ÿ‘
<qyliss> worldofpeace++
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<__Sander__> wooohooo!!!! yes, I had two really great days
<evalexpr> agree, thanks everyone :)
<MichaelRaskin> Can confirm: would be too lazy to find a topic to firt NixCon _and_ be a good reason for travel application @university at once for non-online
<davidak[m]> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ for worldofpeace++
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<NinjaTrappeur> clap clap clap
<nixer|86> clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
<atopuzov[m]> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
<nixer|86> !!!! thank you all
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<Ox4A6F> > concatStrings [lovelyclaps rainbowclaps lovelyclaps]
<{^_^}> "รฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยผรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยพรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยฟรฐลธโ€˜๏ฟฝรฐลธ๏ฟฝยปรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรข๏ฟฝยครฏยธ๏ฟฝรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜โ€นรฐลธโ€˜
<worldofpeace> Yall better let me hear u
<dtz> thanks all!!!! \o/
<nbathum> yes that one
<Henson> THANK YOU!
<worldofpeace> yeah, and thank u
<Henson> and thanks to all the attendees and presenters!
<jtojnar> > waves + waves
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘"
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<roberth> ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ thank you so much everyone for this great event
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<claudiii> ๐Ÿ‘‹ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘‹ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘‹ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘‹ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘‹ ๐Ÿ‘
<MichaelRaskin> Thanks!
<worldofpeace> keep it going
<qyliss> WE DID IT
<worldofpeace> I'm will continue to watch
<worldofpeace> YES
<worldofpeace> WE DID IT
<qyliss> <3 worldofpeace
<{^_^}> worldofpeace's karma got increased to 242.00000000000014
<worldofpeace> I amazed
<worldofpeace> damn, even the bots giving me zeros
<jtojnar> > waves + waves
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘"
<DigitalKiwi> > moreclaps + moreclaps + moreclaps + moreclaps + moreclaps + "<3 worldofpeace"
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹<3 worldofpeace"
<DigitalKiwi> boo
<kirelagin> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<Ericson2314> Well done! as a presenter you all made it soooo easy
<niksnut> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
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<LambdaDuck> Thank you all for the wonderful conferance!
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<worldofpeace> Ericson2314: oh wow. I'm glad to hear it was easy. it should be like, u show u, u talk, and yeah
<phirsch> Thanks! Even though it's been online only - it really makes a big difference to have someone guide through this and connect all the bits as opposed to just watching a bunch of canned videos! > lovelyclaps
<Ericson2314> worldofpeace: That was how it was!
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<worldofpeace> that's fab :D
<worldofpeace> also, I will mention this
<worldofpeace> I hope u all know that the "intro speaker voice", yeah that was intentional and not corruption
<worldofpeace> like ur nerds u should get it ๐Ÿคฃ
<DigitalKiwi> when the talks are on youtube will they be linked on the schedule page for the talk?
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<worldofpeace> DigitalKiwi: all of us are probably terrified for to touch the schedule
<edef> i think that can be arranged โ€” we're also working on uploading them to conf.tube
<Ericson2314> that remeinds me to try to see if CFP will let me uload slides after the fact
<nbathum> DigitalKiwi: in time
<edef> but yeah PreTalx is uhh, rather terrifying to touch :p
<worldofpeace> that schedule UI is for sure something
* nbathum crys in javascript
<MichaelRaskin> Oh, one can upload slides?
<Raito_Bezarius> MichaelRaskin: yes
<Raito_Bezarius> on the CFP software
<edef> oh wicked, TIL
<worldofpeace> I believe some of speakers put their slides into the software, yes
<worldofpeace> (very helpful to organizers btw)
<MichaelRaskin> I didn't realise at the moment my slides were ready
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<MichaelRaskin> Oh right there are resources
<LambdaDuck> > claps + lovelyclaps + rainbowclaps
<{^_^}> "๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹โค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ"
<niksnut> thanks, just added my slides
<MichaelRaskin> Sorry, should have uploaded earlier
<worldofpeace> wait, when did we get clap functions
<worldofpeace> infinisil what is the meaning of this
<worldofpeace> lol, jk
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<Raito_Bezarius> worldofpeace: from the very start :p
<Ox4A6F> We're just hanging around in https://jitsi.nixcon.org/water-cooler for a while.
<worldofpeace> wait...
<infinisil> xD
<worldofpeace> damn there should be a nixcon afterparty
<heisenbug> ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿ‘‹
<worldofpeace> I've officially turned this channel into a twitch stream chat log
<MichaelRaskin> Yesterday it was /afterparty but today it is water-cooler so far
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<FireFly> worldofpeace: haha
<worldofpeace> alternate universe domen would be proud
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<Ox4A6F> worldofpeace: yes, but it was empty, maybe we've to refresh our bodies before starting the party.
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<worldofpeace> true, the breaks between weren't very long. (and no actual "lunch break")
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<domenkozar[m]> :D
<qyliss> If anybody uses the Fediverse, I believe you can follow @nixcon2020@conf.tube, and you'll see the conf videos as they're posted.
<domenkozar[m]> thanks so much for the conference!
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<domenkozar[m]> such a great job - to all organizers :)
<domenkozar[m]> (I'm a bit late - had a tennis match :D)
<domenkozar[m]> [worldofpeace](https://matrix.to/#/@worldofpeace:matrix.org)++
<domenkozar[m]> eh Riot, why even bother :)
<qyliss> worldofpeace++
<{^_^}> worldofpeace's karma got increased to 243
<qyliss> there you go :)
<domenkozar[m]> qyliss++
<{^_^}> qyliss's karma got increased to 95
<domenkozar[m]> puck++
<{^_^}> puck's karma got increased to 37
<domenkozar[m]> nbathum++
<{^_^}> nbathum's karma got increased to 22
<domenkozar[m]> who did I forget?
<qyliss> edef++
<{^_^}> edef's karma got increased to 32
<hyperfekt> worldofpeace: what happened to the missing talk yesterday btw?
<puck> hyperfekt: tbh no idea, we tried contacting them, cc nbathum
<Raito_Bezarius> qyliss: which peertube instance will receive the videos?
<qyliss> Raito_Bezarius: conf.tube
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<Raito_Bezarius> Thanks qyliss
<__red__> i seem to be having issues connecting with jitsi
<edef> got any additional details?
<__red__> tells me connection losed when i connect
<__red__> any advice?
<edef> oh no! which browser are you using?
<__red__> jitsi meet on my phone
<edef> ah
<edef> we've had more reports of the mobile app not working, but we're not really sure whyโ€ฆ
<qyliss> It should work in the browser
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<__red__> when i tried to use the browser it started the mobile app
<__red__> ill wait untili get home and join there instead
<__red__> thanks
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<edef> i should probably have a shot at `adb logcat`ing my phone and trying to join
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<hyperfekt> i swear if jitsi pops up a quit or join message on top of the chat window one more time i'm gonna go patch it
<hyperfekt> this is a threat
<Raito_Bezarius> hyperfekt: what you're going to do if we remove Nix to you
<edef> we take kindly to patch threats :3
<Raito_Bezarius> can you still patch it *easily* ?:p
<piegames1> hyperfekt: While you're at it, can you please also patch out that annoying "cannot access camera" toast?
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<hyperfekt> okay so our jitsi version is too old. it's fixed in 4294
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<pie_> was anyone ablke to get the mobile client connected in the end?
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<worldofpeace> qyliss: thanks, I made like one post on my fedi account with #nixcon2020
<viric> Ericson2314: ping me at any time if you want to try some p2p thing. I'd likely be glad to participate.
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<Ox4A6F> pie_: I think aaron was connected with a mobile. Doubt it was android.
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<Raito_Bezarius> maybe nixos mobile
<Raito_Bezarius> :-ยฐ
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<nixer|99050> hi, how can i start usin gnix ?
<nixer|99050> on ubuntu
<Raito_Bezarius> wrong channel nixer|99050 ?
<Raito_Bezarius> you want #nixos
<Raito_Bezarius> nixer|99050: otherwise, nixos.org should get you covered
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<NixBridge> Pโ€‹obretano[discord]: About nix-processmgmt: can it be used to substitute NixOS systemd scripts?
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<Raito_Bezarius> @Pobretano: if all systemd scripts in NixOS are rewritten using it, yes
<Raito_Bezarius> but it's not an absolute drop-in replacement
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<NixBridge> Pโ€‹obretano[discord]: The idea looks interesting to me.
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<jkachmar> I watched a recording of the Serokell talk from earlier and saw them mention `nixos-container`, but I wasn't able to find any documentation for it at all really
<jkachmar> Is there any place to read more about it, or is it still WIP enough that there isn't even rough documentation
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