worldofpeace_ changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: #nixos-dev NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS stable: 20.03 ✨ https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-20-03-release/6785 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 19.09 RMs: disasm, sphalerite; 20.03: worldofpeace, disasm | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
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<sphalerite> RFCSC meeting is today, right?
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<niksnut> sphalerite: yes
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<{^_^}> #92348 (by jtojnar, 1 week ago, open): licenses: Make single-version-only GPL explicit
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<Mic92> niksnut: sphalerite worldofpeace spacekookie don't forget about the RFC meeting today
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<worldofpeace> gotcha Mic92
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<Mic92> niksnut: sphalerite worldofpeace spacekookie calendar event updated to the 30th July
<worldofpeace> Mic92: thanks a bunch ❣️
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<niksnut> thanks
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<Ericson2314> what does nix-shell do in the flakes repo if I have flakes disabled?
<Ericson2314> this seems like not enough is experimental?
<Ericson2314> niksnut: I think we might want to make some shell.nix release.nix back-compat?
<Ericson2314> I don't think we should rely on unstable features of nix to build nix
<jtojnar> Ericson2314 nix-shell still relies on shell.nix, does not it?
<Ericson2314> Jan Tojnar: I don't see any shell.nix
<jtojnar> or falling back to default.nix
<Ericson2314> ah there is a default.nix with the compat
<jtojnar> here it complains default.nix does not exist
<Ericson2314> sorry! false alrm
<Ericson2314> we just have a bug in flake-compat
<Ericson2314> the the shell's shell hook doesn't work
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<qyliss> sphalerite: may I ask you a couple of questions about the Mailman refactor you did a while ago? I realise I am very late.
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<gchristensen> acme seems to fail if nscd.service is restarted at the same time acme units are restarting
<puck> gchristensen: haha, i hit that one
<puck> acme domain couldn't be resolved
<gchristensen> yup
<qyliss> Ah that's why that happens
<infinisil> Yeah have had that happen too
<infinisil> Adding a `requires = [ "network-setup.service" "nscd.service" ];` worked for me, though network-setup probably isn't necessary
<symphorien> but if one disables nscd, requires will fail, right ?
<gchristensen> maybe just an After is sufficient?
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<infinisil> I thought I tried it with after and it didn't work
<ris> it's a shame so many of our nixos modules are so strongly tied to being systemd services - it means that people using nix to build container images don't get to take advantage of all the declarative configuration work that's been done (unless they want to do something weird like running systemd in the container)
<ris> are there any proposals for a common way of expressing a "simple startup" exec string for services?
<puck> infinisil: probably after network-online or something
<puck> (assuming it doesn't have that yet)
<infinisil> puck: Already has after network and network-online
<puck> weird
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<hexa-> m1cr0man: see backlog re nscd and acme
<sphalerite> qyliss: absolutely
<qyliss> sphalerite: am I write in thinking that services.mailman.package now doesn't do anything?
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<worldofpeace> Jan Tojnar: could u look at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/93114 briefly?
<{^_^}> #93114 (by worldofpeace, 2 days ago, open): [20.03] Gnome 3.34 updates (the sequel)
<worldofpeace> Everything should be cached because of the jobset
<worldofpeace> Shouldn't be any build regressions, well hopefully, hydra ui is a bit difficult
<worldofpeace> thank you Jan Tojnar 💖
<samueldr> I've heard that nix master can't be built without flakes, is this FUD? because my flakes-less nix eval'd, and now has started to build it
<adisbladis> samueldr: Incorrect
<adisbladis> There is a compat shim
<samueldr> "the statement that nix master can't be built without flakes is incorrect"
<samueldr> because it is "correct that it is FUD" AFAICT :)
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<adisbladis> Yeah, sorry for being ambiguous =)
<samueldr> though, one could say that you can't build it without somehow using the flakes concept, but still it works without the upstream experimental feature enabled
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<samueldr> yep, no issues, the build finished in its entirety
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<Dandellion> is it okay to ask for a merge here?
<{^_^}> #85021 (by oxalica, 13 weeks ago, open): osu-lazer: init at 2020.714.0
<Dandellion> this has sat stale since May 😕
<infinisil> Dandellion: Looking good, merged it :)
<Dandellion> thanks a lot!