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<makefu> that is probably why it was so expensive
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<thoughtpolice> Ugh. It looks like libelf is no longer sufficient for new versions of the kernel; 5.8 introduces https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/28fe1d7bf89f8ed5be70b98a33932dbaf99345dd which needs `gelf_getsymshndx`, but that only exists with elfutils, not libelf.
<thoughtpolice> This is not going to be enjoyable to fix, I suspect.
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<thoughtpolice> Alright I take that back. Maybe it isn't too bad. But I'm sure I've exploded something somewhere...
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<multun> thoughtpolice: why would something break?
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<thoughtpolice> multun: Because experience tells me to expect something will break when making a change like this. That's what it really comes down to, basically.
<thoughtpolice> Now, there are more technical concerns on this note, like the fact that elfutils-libelf *was* used for kernel builds in the past, but moved to libelf for... reasons... possibly one being people wanted to use musl as the libc which caused some other cascading failures(?) It's unclear if these exceptions still apply.
<thoughtpolice> But what is crystal clear is that elfutils-libelf is needed for future kernel builds. Unless someone wants to start maintaining libelf (last release: 2013) or fix the kernel themselves.
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<thoughtpolice> There are other things too, like module build deps that I don't have a full handle on yet. For instance bcc filters out the usage of libelf in its dependency set and instead opts strictly for elfutils. Why? Because libelf is automatically included in the set of needed dependencies for kernel module builds (possibly an err), so you have to choose one if you want the build to work at all.
<thoughtpolice> Things like that. None of these are very complicated in isolation to answer, perhaps. But if you want to do a correct fix, "doing the homework" to understand the root cause is, of course, a necessity. I do not fully yet understand all the root causes leading to all these choices. Therefore experience tells me something will break a bit, somewhere.
<thoughtpolice> It of course doesn't help that you have to also in theory check this for 5-7 major kernel versions. Luckily I have 32 cores, so that's nice!
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<xwvvvvwx> I'm curious if there is a policy / convention in nixpkgs around using unreleased versions of packages that have very infrequent releases?
<xwvvvvwx> We indirectly depend on the cvc4 smt solver via the haskell library sbv. cvc4 last released a version in feb 2019, but sbv requires a version of cvc4 from may of this year.
<xwvvvvwx> Would a PR bumping cvc4 to a recent (unreleased) commit be accepted? We currently maintain a custom package with a recent commit, but ideally we would upstream this.
<qyliss> xwvvvvwx: I think that would be accepted provided there was justification given
<qyliss> At least in other parts of Nixpkgs I'm familiar with
<xwvvvvwx> what would usually be considered a reasonable justification?
<qyliss> I don't think the bar is usually all that high
<xwvvvvwx> ok so worth opening a PR to see what happens?
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<qyliss> Yeah
<xwvvvvwx> cool, thanks!
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<manveru> so... secrets and flakes don't really work well together i guess?
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<niksnut> manveru: in what way?
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<manveru> niksnut: well, not much different from before, just that now you have to `git add` secrets to be able to reference their paths?
<niksnut> yes, that's true
<niksnut> well, you could use a non-git flake
<niksnut> but the real problem is that currently all flake sources are copied to the nix store
<manveru> yeah, not much of a way around that... it just makes things more visible :)
<manveru> that's why i meant it's not much different, but sure wish there was at least some consensus on secret handling by now...
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<ghuntley> gchristensen: does nixpkg have a way to run a windows CI build? I need to compile a vs2019 project ....
<ghuntley> nix-build -> install.tar.gz -> take his tarball -> include it into project root on windows -> compile -> distribute final .appx
<ghuntley> maybe we just run this adhoc every release?
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<urkk> This derivation http://ix.io/2pks fails if I run nix-build under a chroot, not sure why?
<urkk> Are chroot under chroot not supported? I don't see any errors
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<urkk> (sandbox builds are enabled by default)
<clever> urkk: you probably also want pkgs.runCommand
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<urkk> clever: I wanted to enforce the buildPhase is performed in a sandbox
<clever> for what reason?
<urkk> Because some packages I work with could use libraries or other information hardcoding the full path
<urkk> And I want to ensure the build process is reproducible
<clever> --option repeat may help there, to run every build twice, it might be possible to configure it to run both with and without sandboxing (if you have 2 build machines)
<clever> and then have nix assert that the results are binary identical
<clever> then you can fix the build system to stop being naughty, and it wont matter if the sandbox is off
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<urkk> is there a reason for not enforcing the sandbox on?
<clever> probably better to fix the package to not care
<urkk> also, we have non deterministic build in some cases, the symbols are placed in different offsets with different machines. We are working on that too, to be binary identical
<urkk> wrt the sandbox under chroot problem, maybe I should open an issue
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<Ericson2314> niksnut: So you really like that string_view stuff? :)
<Ericson2314> Unlike in rust where this is a bit abstracted, my PR made me all to aware of the times I'd have to allocate anyways to get a null-terminated string for syscalls
<gchristensen> domenkozar[m]: we'll need to replace you on the security team :)
<gchristensen> domenkozar[m]: maybe you could put a call on Discourse for someone?
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<domenkozar[m]> I can start that thread, but questions like responsibilities and requirements I'll defer to the current team :)
<gchristensen> okay
<niksnut> Ericson2314: yes
<niksnut> btw did I understand correctly that the operator << makes string+string_view concatenation work?
<Ericson2314> niksnut: yes, I took that some a suggested workaroudn in the C++ proposal mailing list on adding the missing +
<Ericson2314> I suppose I could do a non-member + too, but the case where one is mutated seemed especially non-communicative
<Ericson2314> Happy to change if there's an alternative you prefer
<niksnut> how does that work? is there a blanket implementation of operator + using operator << ?
<Ericson2314> My C++-foo is perhaps lacking, but i figured I could do a non-method << just like a non-method +, or is + one of the operators that has to be a class member?
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<Ericson2314> niksnut: Also, I believe your main objection to https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/3439 was that it included those FFI changes you were wary of? If the C++ conversation makes 3439 non-controversial that will be very useful for us to get that merged.
<{^_^}> nix#3439 (by Ericson2314, 12 weeks ago, open): Store parsed hashes in `DerivationOutput` -- contains #3450
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<Ericson2314> I will also go remove the `enum struct` changes from any PR that contains them
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<niksnut> Ericson2314: yeah that's right
<Ericson2314> niksnut: great! Glad to confirm that.
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<manveru> it'd be _very_ helpful to know which lock version a specific nix version supports...
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<timokau[m]> I just sent a request to install the marvin-mk2 bot on nixos/nixpkgs. Its a simple bot that is supposed to improve our PR workflow. The current instance configured to only run when explicitly opted-in (`/marvin opt-in`) by the PR author. Can we get that set up on nixpkgs?
<timokau[m]> The plan is to evolve it a bit in the real world and eventually finish up rfc#30 before enabling it on all PRs.
<timokau[m]> (assuming it proves useful and the RFC is accepted)
<timokau[m]> Who could make that happen? gchristensen, domenkozar, niksnut?
<gchristensen> timokau[m]: do youh ave info on what this means exactly: Read and write access to issues and pull requests ?
<timokau[m]> gchristensen: As far as I know that's basically triage permission, i.e. setting labels etc
<gchristensen> cool
<timokau[m]> Currently it only works on pull requests, so it may be possible to restrict permissions to that. It may be useful to extend it to issues in the future, that would then require a permission update
<timokau[m]> Looks like it allows deletion of comments though, I'm not sure if triage covers that. That's probably the most dangerous perrmission.
<gchristensen> thanks
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<timokau[m]> Ohh I didn't even notice that it was installed. You'd think github would send out some sort of notification
<eyJhb> How many bots does nixpkgs have atm.? Stale, ofborg and now marvin-mk2?
<ryantm> timokau[m]++
<{^_^}> timokau[m]'s karma got increased to 2
<gchristensen> timokau[m]++
<{^_^}> timokau[m]'s karma got increased to 3
<ryantm> eyJhb: There's also some editorconfig thing
<gchristensen> that was removed
<timokau[m]> Just noticed there's a discrepancy between the instructions (telling you to use `/state`) and the actual command (`/status`). I'm not a native English speaker, which one is better here?
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<gchristensen> either
<cole-h> ^
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<timokau[m]> Hm, that doesn't help much with making a decision :D "status" sounds a bit better to me, but that may just be because it coincides with the German word
<cole-h> lol
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<cole-h> I'd say keep /status because it's already in use
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<ryantm> State is shorter
<timokau[m]> Looks like trac uses status for the same thing, so probably best to stick to that
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<jtojnar> do we want to use ${var+foo} in nixpkgs, or should we prefer more understandable but more verbose if expressions (re https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/82264)
<{^_^}> #82264 (by Twey, 14 weeks ago, open): meson: allow unsetting the --buildtype flag
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<timokau[m]> +1 for readability over succinctness
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<cole-h> Also +1
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<Valodim> is there a policy for license files in derivations? concretely, for a font package, is the license under $out/share/doc a must, should, may, should not?
<jtojnar> Valodim I do not think there is a policy
<jtojnar> and I do not see the need to do it unless the license explicitly requires it
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<jtojnar> IIRC licenses typically require that you to include a license in the source code and to make source code available
<jtojnar> * IIRC licenses typically require that you to keep the license text with the source code and to make source code available
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<Valodim> makes sense
<Valodim> and matches my thoughts
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<emily> not sure that's true; e.g. the MIT license lets you distribute derivative works, which include binaries, so long as you retain the copyright/license notice
<emily> I'm not convinced a binary package without the license satisfies that
<emily> IIRC some distros go to elaborate lengths to deduplicate the actual license texts while maintaining the copyright info to satisfy the requirements without shipping 500 copies of the GPL
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<gchristensen> license is compliance and we would surely need a lawyer
<gchristensen> license compliance is complicated and we would surely need a lawyer*
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<ma27[m]> niksnut: is there anything preventing https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/3549 from getting merged? :)
<nix-build> nix#3549 (by Ma27, 6 weeks ago, open): Merge legacy `fetchGit`-builtin with the generic `fetchTree`-function
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