<ryantm>
Sorry to kill the pretty color, but I made it the same color as the other needs labels.
<cole-h>
:P
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<manveru>
is there some way to make `nix copy` respect `--substituters`?
<niksnut>
--substitute-on-destination
<manveru>
yes, i use that, but that only includes the caches specified on the remote end, not the ones i pass to the copy command
<manveru>
i'm trying to do a `nixos-rebuild --target-host`, which fails if i don't do a nix-copy of the system first...
<manveru>
so at this point i don't have caches setup yet right
<manveru>
so i pushed everything i need to cachix, to avoid re-uploading the same thing over DSL to 5 different hosts, but when i add `--substituters` and `--trusted-public-keys` to the copy command, they kinda seem to be ignored :)
<manveru>
i'm also not exactly sure _what_ it copies, as it only logs `copying path ... ` when it copies the path from a substitutor, but not from my local host
<manveru>
so for now i guess i can work around that by rsyncing the flake outPath to the remote, doing a `nix build` with substituters specified, and avoiding `nix copy`
<sphalerite>
manveru: potentially, though I'm not sure, add ?substituters=… to the destination URL
<manveru>
nope, that did nothing either
<manveru>
well, at least it didn't fail :)
<sphalerite>
manveru: I think that is sort of supposed to work, i.e. be the way to send options to remote stores, but it isn't very reliable
<sphalerite>
i.e. may fail silently, for instance
<sphalerite>
manveru: are you a trusted user on the other end
<sphalerite>
?
<manveru>
yes
<manveru>
i guess i can modify the nix.conf before copying... but that's pretty nasty too :P
<manveru>
i get `warning: unknown setting 'substituters'` and `unknown setting 'binary-cache-public-keys'`
<manveru>
same with `trusted-public-keys` and `trusted-substituters`
<manveru>
so at least it gets it, it just doesn't know what to do with them
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<manveru>
the remote nix is `2.3.4` if that's any help
<Mic92>
worldofpeace: niksnut sphalerite spacekookie we have our RFC meeting today. It's spacekooki's term.
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<worldofpeace>
Hmm, I'm not sure I can make it Mic92 I have a sudden engagement this morning (it would be at 9:00 in my TZ)
<sphalerite>
spacekookie: I also won't be able to make it today unfortunately, sorry.
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<Mic92>
spacekookie: coming?
<spacekookie>
Mic92: sorry, can't make it today either
<spacekookie>
I actually will also be out of Internet range next time (I'll send an email about it)
<Mic92>
worldofpeace: niksnut spacekookie sphalerite we decided to move the meeting to next week because it was only me and Eelco in the meeting.
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<tilpner>
Mic92: ping
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<Mic92>
domenkozar[m] or gchristensen can you create a Nixpkgs Committers Emeritus team?
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: reading that makes me not really like the word/s
<worldofpeace>
especially the usage note that like alumni is never wrong for groups that do include women, even though it's a plural male form?
<worldofpeace>
plain weird to me, but I'm not here with a better name suggestion just yet. and it's pretty easy to change team names
<sphalerite>
How about "former committers"?
<jtojnar>
grammatical genders are weird, I like to think about masculinum as a gender category that also among other things refers to male people
<jtojnar>
because otherwise I get weird clashes between grammatical genders of different languages
<worldofpeace>
hehe, they really are. sphalerite I mean, former committers would be exactly that. I think this word was chosen because it was like an honor position
<worldofpeace>
like we could say "retired" or really inactive would be exact, it's just it doesn't have that honor indication
<worldofpeace>
So options would then be - Nixpkgs Former Committers Team - Nixpkgs Retired Committers Team - Nixpkgs Inactive Committers Team
<sphalerite>
committers emerit*
<sphalerite>
:D
<worldofpeace>
lol, if only we could mix shell with english
<sphalerite>
hey, english could even be the name of a shell.
<worldofpeace>
we'd run the risk of not being pronounceable
<sphalerite>
It ends in sh and everything.
<worldofpeace>
sphalerite ✨
<worldofpeace>
✨ sphalerite
<{^_^}>
sphalerite's karma got increased to 99
<infinisil>
Why do we need a team for that?
<worldofpeace>
infinisil: umm, because it's an accepted rfc
<infinisil>
Oh
<infinisil>
It gives "to honor their past contributions" as the reason
<worldofpeace>
And I guess, the alternative to just kicking people and them having no membership in nixos has no honor designation (even if it's just like a sticker)
<infinisil>
I guess that's fine, but I wouldn't have bothered with a team for that. The commit history/commit graphs already honor their contributions
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: gender-neutral in spanish is so hard. "To capture the complexity of the various terms used the term Latin* (pronounced Latin) was introduced in 2020" I see how that is related to sphalerite comment
<worldofpeace>
I personally use latinx or X etc. for a lot things
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<worldofpeace>
Mic92: does this require an ammendment rfc?
<worldofpeace>
I'm posting the logs here to the original RFC
<Mic92>
worldofpeace: For documentation purpose it would be nice to have it in the RFC so in future we know how to handle it.
<jtojnar>
-x sounds too much like an americanism to me, I still prefer the latin inflections ending with -i (latinus is second declination like emeritus)
<worldofpeace>
Mic92: Okay
<jtojnar>
but if people like to call themselves that, it is their choice
<worldofpeace>
I've drafted an rfc to just use retired
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<gchristensen>
nice
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: I've referenced our searching slightly
<gchristensen>
jtojnar: nice point on the latin
<worldofpeace>
would you like credit as a coauthor?
<gchristensen>
thank you
<worldofpeace>
It's not done
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<tilpner>
Seems good. I was originally going to remove inactive committers from the organisation, but graham suggested the emeritus team. I wasn't aware it might be gender-specific
<qyliss>
In Homebrew we used to say either alumni, or "former maintainers with significant contributions"
<tilpner>
(Although I understand the desire to follow established process, does a simple name change like this require an RFC amendment?)
<jtojnar>
for the record, the use of singular was my main objection, from grammar point of view the use of masculinum plural is, for better or worse, correct term for diverse groups
<worldofpeace>
tilpner: for documentation
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<jtojnar>
and masculinum grammatical gender cannot be conflated with male gender identity or sex
<gchristensen>
I'm not sure why I suggested "emeritus" other than it sounds fancy, and I'm +1 on doing something more accessible and neutral
<worldofpeace>
I mentioned motivation was because it does have a masculine undertone in english at least, and it isn't even grammatically correct according to the style guide.
<worldofpeace>
and it isn't very accessible english, retired is a very common word
<gchristensen>
worldofpeace: I wrote feedback as Guest Strickland on your hackmd, and otherwise it looks good
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<worldofpeace>
gchristensen: hmm, I don't see it. did you use the comment feature where you select text?
<gchristensen>
yeah
<worldofpeace>
op, I had to refresh
<gchristensen>
you don't see comment bubble things next to the paras? ah okay
<worldofpeace>
gchristensen: I've resolved all comments/threads
<jtojnar>
I meant that phrases "personally find this confusing because there is a femmine counterpart emerita" show Anglocentric bias
<gchristensen>
cool, shipit :)
<jtojnar>
I would not say emeriti has a masculine meaning
<jtojnar>
there might be some patriarchaical component to language but generally speaking, emeriti is inclusive term
<gchristensen>
yeah
<gchristensen>
I think that is fair, but also perhaps reason to avoid gratuitous Latin
<jtojnar>
yeah, I agree with that
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<worldofpeace>
hmm, not sure what edit to make here
<gchristensen>
where?
<jtojnar>
if I edit it, will it fork?
<worldofpeace>
Jan Tojnar: I actually think you can edit in place, or rather, you can use the comment feature
<jtojnar>
it being a grammar mistake should be enough to be corrected, I would not even bother with RFC
<jtojnar>
just issue an errata with corigendum 🤣️
<worldofpeace>
well, I've done it since Mic92 said I should, and it's probably a good thing for documentation that we should do ammendment for something tiny even. It'll be swiftly accepted 😸
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<ashkitten>
can i ask for mesa to be updated to 20.1.3? i think it's somewhat broken on 20.0.8 and steam is crashing my entire gpu
<ashkitten>
i'm not 100% sure that's the cause but i don't know of much else that could be the issue here and it's not as though i can simply switch mesa versions at will
<ashkitten>
if anyone has other suggestions i'm open to it