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pie_ >
*yeah, still sucks though. should be fixed in upstream kernel :P
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pie_ >
well, noone really handles bad interpreter correctly anyway because the file obviously exists if you go looking for it :P
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pie_ >
im no kernel dev, ive no idea what could possibly go wrong
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judging from the manual, it seems that we use GPG. perhaps worth reconsidering?
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samueldr >
taktoa[c]: what makes you believe nix uses GPG?
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samueldr >
from the manual page the only relevant section about GPG is for
_nix_ itself, to verify the installer script
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taktoa[c] >
oh, misread that
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samueldr >
(though, might be a good idea to diversify and also use something else better if there is something else better)
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and if you're using nixos you're likely not using the installer script ;)
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gchristensen >
nixos uses ed25519
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gchristensen >
s/nixos/nix/
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worldofpeace >
ugh removing packages or renaming them in nixpkgs isn't good at all ā¹ļø wish I could assign someone to make it better
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samueldr >
worldofpeace: what's on your mind?
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samueldr >
agree that we need something like rfcs#33
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worldofpeace >
samueldr: right. at some point we're going to have ancient attributes because of this. well, I think we already do
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worldofpeace >
though I think the removed.nix thing could be something we could have right now
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samueldr >
for packages, not sure about tests, the evaluation happens without aliases IIRC
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samueldr >
(ofborg, hydra, both? I don't remember)
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samueldr >
yes, splitting into a distinct file for removed attribute names is something that should be doable
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worldofpeace >
guess we need to find sponsors for infinisil š
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infinisil >
Yes please!
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samueldr >
worldofpeace: (4) add automation to detect the loss of an attribute name
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samueldr >
so that if you make a PR, remove an attribute name, and not add it back to aliases, or removed, you're told off
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worldofpeace >
yep, I've also thought of that samueldr šļø
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infinisil >
Oh I made a proposal for something very much like that
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worldofpeace >
really infinisil link?
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worldofpeace >
edited the gist samueldr, (or pile of complaints)
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samueldr >
worldofpeace: complaints with depth and proposals are good
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infinisil >
This was a bachelor thesis proposal (denied though, nobody cared about nix :sadface:)
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samueldr >
what... I care about nix, and that's enough
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infinisil >
(first section is skippable btw)
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infinisil >
The proposal doesn't go into deprecation, but that would be the next step for an API tracker like that
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worldofpeace >
infinisil: ahh I remember when you sent that to me before. can't believe no one cared about nix! someone needs to put them on smh. All that is some fine stuff there
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infinisil >
Oh it does mention deprecation actually
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infinisil >
Hehe thx
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infinisil >
In my free time I picked up #75584 and #82743 again which I want to have merged soon for rfcs#42, so focusing on that right now :)
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worldofpeace >
infinisil: those I'm also suppppeerrrr happy about. totally fab
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{^_^} >
#93945 (by ivan, 11 seconds ago, open): hydra-unstable: 2020-06-23 -> 2020-07-14 and add nixHydra
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puck >
hm, so. fts depends on CVS, which depends on OpenSSH, which depends on libfido2 -> hidapi -> libusb -> systemd -> glib -> libselinux ->
*fts*
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puck >
and this only happens when using pkgsMusl, because fts is only set when host platform is musl
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gchristensen >
flokli: too if possible ^
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gchristensen >
it is creating issues with kerberos and some other weird software :/
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flokli >
gchristensen: can you open an issue tracking this?
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gchristensen >
I surely can
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flokli >
Best, there's a reproducer / regression test to somehow verify how things are broken, and how possible workarounds look like
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gchristensen >
I'm not sure if it is really a bug report for NixOS that software is unhappy with it, but more of a bug report that there are certainly large deployments doing the wrong thing (using fqdn as hostname), and do we really want to break those users on principle
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puck >
also isn't it just a "recommended syntax" either way?
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edef >
i definitely have FQDN-as-hostname
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edef >
because it makes a bunch of stuff play nicer
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gchristensen >
puck: I'm seeing words that look like recommendations, yeah
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flokli >
There have been some discussions around that
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gchristensen >
puck: maybe you can find in the RFC something around it being a recommendation?
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gchristensen >
you could comment it on the issue
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flokli >
Yeah, let's carry this to an issue
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LnL >
seems weird to completely disallow that
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flokli >
I mean, we could introduce an option to shoot yourself in the foot. But there's a lot of things where having the fqdn as hostname breaks stuff
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flokli >
I'd rather see the other stuff being fixed tbh
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arianvp >
Many hosting providers set hostname to fqdn
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arianvp >
One example is packet.com
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andi- >
I am interested in what breaks, just curiosity.
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gchristensen >
well the details are not too specific, but this one environment has about 30 years of infrastructure built around this and so the problems are numerous and difficult to find
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andi- >
gchristensen: that was more towards flokli, what does broke if you do not restrict the format
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andi- >
I've been guilty of doing the same for many years.
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{^_^} >
#94011 (by grahamc, 41 seconds ago, open): Requiring `hostname` to be a single domain label is fairly heavy handed for some networks
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I'm attempting to update the torbrowser binary default.nix, and I am trying to build it using nix-build. However, I'm getting an error. "error: cannot auto-call a function that has an argument without a default value ('stdenv')"
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KarlJoad >
Does anyone know of the solution to this?
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KarlJoad: the better place to ask those kinds of general questions is #nixos, but you'd need an invocation like nix-build -E "with import <nixpkgs> { }; callPackage ./somefile {}"
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KarlJoad >
cransom: Gotcha. I only asked here because I am updating the tor-browser-bundle-bin default.nix package.
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cransom >
np, just that his channel is focused more on hacking the nix app itself, rather than nixpkgs/nixos.
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KarlJoad >
Understood. I guess I misunderstood the description of this one then.
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Profpatsch >
infinisil: looking
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mdlayher >
i'm really excited about the settings option progress.
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Profpatsch >
lol Github, how do I retract a requested change
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cole-h >
I think you can dismiss it in the three-dot menu?
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Profpatsch >
which of the many three dots menus
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infinisil >
mdlayher: :D
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Profpatsch >
ah, I see
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mdlayher >
infinisil: thanks for all your hard work on it
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cole-h >
:P Gonna have to look around. I've never actually done it before, only seen it happen on some PRs I've seen
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I'm as happy as your are to have something like this :)
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infinisil >
Profpatsch: Hehe I was hoping I could snipe you into doing a full review, but that's fine too :P
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infinisil >
Nobody complained about the docs for now, so I guess they're not terrible at least :)
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Profpatsch >
infinisil: aaah, Iām afraid I managed to put too much on my plate atm :(
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No problem :)
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hydra's `runcommand` plugin runs within the context of hydra-notify right?
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gchristensen afaik yes, it's like the other hydra plugins
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