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julm >
has someone ever used successfully systemd's RootDirectory= with User= and ExecStartPre=+/path/to/some/program ? For me it fails with EXIT_FDS: Control process exited, code=exited, status=202/FDS
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julm >
and it works without the +
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oh, so it works with BindReadOnlyPaths=/proc:/proc
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julm >
(and User= was not part of the problem)
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hmm, with one ExecStartPre="+${pkgs.utillinux}/bin/findmnt" and one ExecStartPre="${pkgs.utillinux}/bin/findmnt", I can see that the + only gets the BindPaths=/BindReadOnlyPaths=; so in particular no MountAPIVFS= has been applied for it
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{^_^} >
nix#2238 (by nh2, 2 years ago, open): Improve error message when missing remote building feature forbids build
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colemickens >
If there's a relevant bountysource my cc is ready.
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colemickens >
done; plus, I found out it's already planned for.
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arianvp >
in nix flakes is system the build system or the target system??
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arianvp >
e.g. should my cross-compiled aarch64 image go under packages.aarch64-linux or under packages.x86_64 ?
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arianvp >
flakes not having a notion of cross-compilation is a bit of a shame; I think it would be nice to add.
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arianvp >
(especially because those lines get more blurred with intensional store model)
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arianvp >
has anybody made any scribbles about how that could look like?
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niksnut >
arianvp: both
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arianvp >
niksnut: does it depend on whether the build is being realised or is being built?
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Mic92 >
arianvp: I think it should be possible to import nixpkgs again and pass the cross parameter
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Mic92 >
i.e. crossSystem
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arianvp >
I currently build it using pkgsCross.armv7l.nixos { config here }
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arianvp >
but I guess this has to go under the x86_64-linux system then? In the flake that defines it
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Mic92 >
you can do (import nixpkgs { crossSystem = "<bla>"; })
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niksnut >
it's not so much that flakes don't have a notion of cross-compilation (flakes can have arbitrary outputs so you can do what you want)
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niksnut >
but the 'nix' command doesn't have a notion of cross-compilation
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niksnut >
commands like 'nix run' or 'nix shell' require that packages.${system} can build and execute on the local system
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arianvp >
niksnut: is it correct that --flake and --build-host cannot be used together currently in nixos-rebuild ?
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niksnut >
IIRC that's right
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arianvp >
can I inspect a flake in nix repl?
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{^_^} >
nix#3803 (by Mic92, 2 weeks ago, open): Nix repl does not work with flakes
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arianvp >
ah. but the workaround works
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arianvp >
how do I apply an overlay to the nixpkgs input?
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arianvp >
I see i can set overlays as outputs; but i dont understand how I apply them to modify the nixpkgs package set in flakes
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niksnut >
import nixpkgs { system = "..."; overlays = [ ... ]; }
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arianvp >
but how does that work? nixpkgs is not a path but an attrset
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arianvp >
(it is working; but I thought i just dont understand how)
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niksnut >
sneakily, it's
*also* a path since it contains an outPath attribute
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arianvp >
ah; sneaky
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arianvp >
is outPath set by flakes itself?
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arianvp >
(as I dont see it in flakes.nix on nixpkgs)
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niksnut >
this is a bit hacky though, it would probably be better if nixpkgs had an output denoting the function that generates the packages set
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niksnut >
arianvp: yes
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arianvp >
so something that is subject to change? (I guess many things are)
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niksnut >
well, the outPath thing is unlikely to be removed because you need a way to get the source tree of a flake (e.g. in 'src = self;')
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arianvp >
i guess many will accidentally type ./. instead of src = self though
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niksnut >
well, that's not wrong
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niksnut >
though it could cause the source to be copied again...
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arianvp >
well; I guess self will not contain any paths that are not part of the git repo right?
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arianvp >
unlike ./.
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niksnut >
that also applies to ./.
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niksnut >
since evaluation takes place on the "clean" source tree
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arianvp >
hmm? cool
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arianvp >
so no more need for gitignoreSource and friends?
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ma27[m] >
can anyone with some darwin hardware take a look at this?
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infinisil >
ma27[m]: You didn't link it :)
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ma27[m] >
wait a sec
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ma27[m] >
grabs a new mate
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Ericson2314 >
ma27: this is a spurious error we've been getting for a while
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Ericson2314 >
there is a mac at work I SSH too, but I've been completely unable to figure it out
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Ericson2314 >
(and sorry cause it's a work computer I've been unable to give you access)
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Ericson2314 >
*I'd be unable
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Ericson2314 >
basically what's happpening is there is this impure derrivation reading a file that just got written too, but Nix returns the same hash as before
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Ericson2314 >
perhaps this is some filesystem race condition, or perhaps Nix has some derivation failure caching that is impeding retrying
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ma27[m] >
I see, thanks for the clarification
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Mic92 >
ma27[m]: You can use github actions with the tmate action to access a macOS.
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gchristensen >
whew that is cool
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Mic92 >
gchristensen: indeed. This should become an IRC bot!
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Mic92 >
!giveme-mac
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gchristensen >
I have a little bit of glue code to create a spot-market Packet server that I wanted to hook up to IRC, but I chickened out :)
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infinisil >
ryantm: I can recommend only adding the packages that you need :)
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infinisil >
Oh and scheme-small
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ryantm >
infinisil: Isn't it possible to make a derivation that doesn't require downloading every single reference separately?
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infinisil >
It would be possible yeah (by making sure allowSubsitutes isn't set to false for the combined result)
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infinisil >
allowSubstitutes*
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ryantm >
It's like a bunch of small files, so the overhead is dominating, I think.
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infinisil >
Yeah probably
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infinisil >
(also need to make sure hydra builds scheme-full and co.)
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niksnut >
ryantm: btw you can also get this info using nix path-info, e.g. nix path-info --store
https://cache.nixos.org -rsS /nix/store/0d0p2m27smgbhcj5zsf8hx9s6lcxvxwk-texlive-combined-full-2019
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Mic92 >
It uses xelatex so. I had some weird conference templates that needed pdflatex instead.
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ryantm >
Well, texlive.combined.scheme-full worked, it just takes way longer than say downloading texlive-latex-extra on Ubuntu, so I was looking into what's going on.
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domenkozar[m]: wrong tab complete? otherwise I don't know why you linked the security section to me
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niksnut: could we add an "outputSystem" attr to derivation so that Nix knows whether a derivation is runnable? So cross-compilation would be `system != outputSystem`. If it's unset, just assume `system == outputSystem`.
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matthewbauer >
I guess you know if something is executable if it fails execute, but this gives a little more friendly error message.
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matthewbauer: what about derivations that don't produce machine code?
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matthewbauer >
Ericson2314: we could set `outputSystem = "*"` for that. it's not really known ahead of time by mkDerivation though, the closest thing we have is "dontAddHostSuffix"
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matthewbauer >
I'm not sure how often we'd want to run something that doesn't produce machine. Even if it's like for instance a bash script, it will most likely have dependencies on machine code.
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Ericson2314 >
matthewbauer: i guess what I'm getting at relates the forAllSystems stuff i brought up before
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Ericson2314 >
where the produced data runs is very important, but to me it's less a fundamental property of derivations (like output) than how I want to look up a derivation
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Ericson2314 >
was your plan supposed to be a Nix thing or Nixpkgs thing?
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Ericson2314 >
* (like build system)
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matthewbauer >
this would be for Nix, and Nixpkgs would just set it to `outputSystem = if dontAddHostSuffix then "*" else stdenv.hostPlatform.system;`
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matthewbauer >
there are some weird cases where like "dev" doesn't really care what system it runs on, but then "out" does, so perhaps it should be parametrized
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matthewbauer >
i think allowedReferences does something similar
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matthewbauer >
or maybe not - you can't have allowed references for just one of your outputs
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Ericson2314 >
matthewbauer: but what does nix do with this information?
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matthewbauer >
Ericson2314: you would get an error when you do nix run similar to how you get "a 'x86_64-linux' with features {} is required to build '...', but I am a 'x86_64-darwin' with features {}" when building
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matthewbauer >
there's room for further integration with cross compilation too
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Ericson2314 >
oh i really don't want Nix to know about overloads
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Ericson2314 >
so you are saying it would give that error for `nix run`?
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matthewbauer >
Ericson2314: flakes already knows about overlays
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Ericson2314 >
they do?!?
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matthewbauer >
it seems better than know about libc or nixpkgs internals
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matthewbauer >
it looks like "overlay" and "overlays" don't actually do anything right now though
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samueldr >
well, not exactly lost, but people may think the link is only the code :)
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matthewbauer >
samueldr: thanks!
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matthewbauer >
samueldr: i didn't realize matrix was not sending it directly to irc
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samueldr >
for the kind of long messages it does, generally it wouldn't be great
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samueldr >
but if it at least split the "one line of text, followed by a code block" into distinct parts it would be great
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matthewbauer: it's a setting of the bridge. defaults to something like 3 or 4 lines.
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Could someone perhaps provide a better explanation of how runtime dependencies work in Nix to help settle the debate in #94108?
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lopsided98: I think the Python ecosystem behaves differently from mkDerivation, but when it gets compiled down to a Nix derivation, the only things available will be things that are referred to by their full store path.
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ryantm >
I mean, in the realized derivation, the only things available will be...
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