worldofpeace_ changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: #nixos-dev NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | NixOS stable: 20.03 ✨ https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-20-03-release/6785 | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | https://r13y.com | 19.09 RMs: disasm, sphalerite; 20.03: worldofpeace, disasm | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
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<worldofpeace> how do nixpkgs-committers invites work rn?
<worldofpeace> I'd like @dasj19 to be a part of the nixos org so I can invite them to the gnome team
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<cole-h> Do you mean nixpkgs-maintainers?
<cole-h> Unless I'm misremembering, I think the auto invites were paused. So I think manual intervention from an org admin is necessary? (https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/39#issuecomment-601654637 and cc gchristensen)
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<worldofpeace> oh yeah, I meant maintainers
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<worldofpeace> 🦎
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<arianvp> Did we get the apple transition kits?
<qyliss> nope
<arianvp> :(
<arianvp> But we did request them right?
<qyliss> I believe so
<arianvp> (context; my colleagues just received theirs)
<qyliss> I'm 95% sure I read something on IRC in the past couple of weeks about us having requested them and been denied
<arianvp> I'll poke some apple people. I think we should have them. Period.
<arianvp> We're the largest package manager for the Mac eco system
<arianvp> (in packages. Not users)
<arianvp> ;(
<qyliss> they wouldn't even add us to the whitelist of root directories that were allowed to be created last year
<arianvp> Yes :(
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<arianvp> Probably faster to convince Mac users to install NixOS with a Mac VM
<arianvp> Lol
<qyliss> that's what I eventually did at my last job after a lot of fighting with the antivirus software and IT dept
<qyliss> (and this was pre catalina, even)
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<eyJhb> Doens't brew have more packages?
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<eyJhb> Not.. Even no
<eyJhb> Holy hell
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<manveru> niksnut: are there any plans to support `--arg` with flakes again?
<niksnut> not at the moment
<niksnut> maybe in impure mode
<manveru> sounds like a plan :)
<manveru> i can manage for now with `nix eval`, would mostly be for convenience anyway
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<ma27[m]> niksnut: any plans to reimplement the accessor functionality in `hydra-queue-runner` now that it's removed from Nix (545bb2ed03001cd7a80a90f73eb500f396c043a1)? To me it seems as we'd have to duplicate some of the `libstore` code to restore the functionality in Hydra.
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<niksnut> yeah I'll have to think a bit about the best way to handle it
<ma27[m]> I see, thx :)
<ma27[m]> niksnut++
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<abathur> arianvp qyliss yeah, it was requested and gchristensen said here last week it was denied (https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev/2020-07-15#3737807). I didn't remember there being a question mark after declined, though, so I'm not 100% sure what that means
<gchristensen> they didn't give us one
<gchristensen> we did apply
<abathur> not sure if you were on at the time, but responding to this from earlier https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev/2020-07-21#1595314946-1595324772;
<abathur> perhaps arianvp will have some luck :)
<gchristensen> ah
<gchristensen> ǒol
<abathur> I have wondered if there's a lever to pull to get Nix a regular contact with a person, team, or reasonably-convincing Siri integration that does developer advocacy/relations, and if it would result in any improvement over the past ~year
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<red[evilred]> What would that look like do you think?
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<samueldr> I guess you have to have the network in place to get in touch with people at apple first
<red[evilred]> I have a contact in apple
<red[evilred]> somewhere in systems engineering
<red[evilred]> not sure it would help tho - but I'm willing to ask
<abathur> I don't really know; it sounds like we've got at least a few people with contacts there; an advocate in particular would ostensibly care about and be able to represent our viewpoint, if not interests, to/with internal groups that I imagine we'll otherwise have a hard time reaching unless someone happens to know someone
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<abathur> I guess *my* vision of what it would look like is that the community is able to develop a relationship with a semi-stable point of contact we can reliably reach without having to @ people on Twitter or whatever. Ideally this contact comes to understand a little bit about the project/ecosystem and is at least able to get us definitive answers when we have questions even if they aren't in our
<abathur> favor.
<LnL> that would be nice, but very much doesn't sound like an apple thing
<abathur> Even that last part would be a big step up. I think we could have cut a better path through the Catalina transition mess if we hadn't been holding onto hope we could find the right ear to get us a firmlink. A clear "No, we can't give an exemption." would suck, but I think certainty would have helped.
<abathur> I agree, dispositionally. I know they have some people with the job title, but I won't claim to have any clue what they do, whether they're empowered to make any real difference, etc.
<abathur> they're obviously willing to annoy developers frequently :]
<LnL> with the introduction of swift it initially looked like they would open up a bit more but everything since feels like it has moved in the opposite direction
<abathur> nod
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<arianvp> So I asked around a bit and many people got their Dev kits on small personal accounts even
<arianvp> So might be worth trying to submit personally as well
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<worldofpeace> gchristensen: I need https://github.com/dasj19 in nixpkgs-maintainers, any idea how that can happen?
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<gchristensen> already is a member
<worldofpeace> hmm
<gchristensen> maybe someone sniped me :)
<worldofpeace> perhaps I'm misunderstanding where my issue is then
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<cole-h> Maybe haven't accepted invite?
<worldofpeace> ahhh!
<worldofpeace> well, graham said "already a member"
<cole-h> In that they've already been invited and the onus is now on them, probably
<worldofpeace> so it probably is just not accepted
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