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<arianvp> gchristensen: did you ever pick an office hour from that doodle?
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<gchristensen> arianvp: worldofpeace and I have been working on it (worldofpeace more than I am :x). I got spooked by how many people replied, so ... still working through it :)
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<qyliss^work> How many people replied??
<Profpatsch> gchristensen: Was there a writeup about what the goals of the office hour are? Multiple people could do them in rotation.
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<matthewbauer> Has anyone looked at this issue: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/61490 ?
<{^_^}> #61490 (by angristan, 2 hours ago, open): Empty networking.nameservers wipes /etc/resolv.conf after a rebuild
<matthewbauer> It looks pretty bad. Maybe there’s a commit causing this we can revert?
<samueldr> seems like trunk-combined hasn't eval'd for 4 days, still error 9 (likely OOM) https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined
<arianvp> That's a nasty regression
<infinisil> Do we have too many packages now?
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<samueldr> it could also be ressources contention
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<samueldr> hmm, seems there are two chefs in the dashboard?
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<samueldr> though, visually, Free Memory doesn't look too different lately compared to the last 30 days, so maybe at the cusp
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<worldofpeace> I have lots of things wrote up about the community call if people would like to know. I can tell them what I had in mind of the purpose if they'd like too.
<worldofpeace> Profpatsch: rotation and having volunteers will be needed in order have a successful event
<infinisil> Maybe I'm a bit ignorant here, but what's there to organize for a shared call in a community?
<worldofpeace> pardon? do mean what's there to do so far to actually have it?
<infinisil> worldofpeace: I guess yeah
<infinisil> I have no idea what's there to organize before this could be done, other than maybe what platform to use
<infinisil> And the time
<worldofpeace> need to distribute a form, make an announcement, have a public agenda for what's going to happen in the call, concrete the roles of those involved and how that will look like, need a moderator. we'd like to record it and live stream it. not sure about the platform yet but probably zoom
<infinisil> Hmm, seems a bit excessive for a start imo
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<worldofpeace> but what i've listed is pretty much done...
<worldofpeace> and that's not all needed to start
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<Profpatsch> Hm, Zoom is kinda proprietary.
<Profpatsch> No chance to use an open platform, like Jitsi?
<Profpatsch> I think fpletz knows how well that works.
<gchristensen> they're all terrible
<gchristensen> zoom seems less unreliable?
<Profpatsch> If so, we can use the free one, can’t we :)
<Profpatsch> Especially since nixpkgs doesn’t evaluate non-free packages by default, it seems a bit strange to use a non-free software for community events.
<samueldr> maybe a commitment to look into using the Free ones, while pragmatically starting things with lower friction with the call process?
<Profpatsch> I had good experiences with https://meet.jit.si
<Profpatsch> I don’t know with how many people in the call it breaks down though.
<gchristensen> I can't get a reliable connection to people over jitsi when they're not on the same continent
<samueldr> wondering if it's going to be hard with Free solutions considering geographicalities
<ekleog> Profpatsch: fwiw you can join zoom from chromium
<ekleog> doesn't even propose the web client with firefox, though
<samueldr> results
<gchristensen> yes
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<infinisil> Profpatsch: I had a single experience with the jitsi plugin for matrix, and it was really bad. Maybe the website is different though
<infinisil> (multi-person calls on riot.im/app)
* samueldr wonders how important the video part is
<infinisil> If it's not, mumble would work pretty well
<samueldr> and relatedly, whether murmur (mumble server) would fit the bill in that situation
<samueldr> infinisil: >:|
<samueldr> though I guess that for geographical purposes, it might need two
<infinisil> Well you still need to transfer the voices, can't speed that up with two servers
<gchristensen> you can
<infinisil> Hmm, you mean that people near you hear your voice faster than others?
<samueldr> sure, but you're receiving all NA stuff at one point, and then transitting them all to EU from that one location
<samueldr> nah, it still needs to go to the server
<samueldr> but imagine if the server was in new york
<samueldr> your delays would be terrible!
<gchristensen> a server in London, a server in NYC, connected by private network. everybody talks to their local server, and syncs over the private (fast) connection
<samueldr> routing wouldn't necessarily be good
<samueldr> like gchristensen explained better :)
<infinisil> gchristensen: Ah I see
<gchristensen> it is not uncommon I'll be on a video meeting with a bunch of EU people, and I'll be the only one with delay
<infinisil> And murmur (or any other mumble server) has support for multiple servers like that?
<samueldr> IIRC it does
<samueldr> I think the main drawback would be lack of video / screen sharing...
<samueldr> screen sharing might be the real kicker
<gchristensen> right
<infinisil> That would be pretty neat
<infinisil> Well I just checked https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Murmur.ini but couldn't find any mention of multiple servers
<infinisil> Man is there really no simple, free video-call software :/
<samueldr> infinisil: excuse me, free, Free or Libre? :)
<infinisil> Libre if possible!
<samueldr> wondering why though... maybe server infra _is_ a real issue
<samueldr> maybe fine for people nearby, but problematic once you span the globe :/
<gchristensen> backend network performance is a tricky bit
<samueldr> yeah, can't find anything about linking mumble servers, so I must have been mistaken :(
<gchristensen> I imagine not many gamers have dark fiber at their beck and call
<ekleog> infinisil: fwiw I already ran a custom murmur server
<samueldr> maybe more about the main concern being free ($) and not Libre, so something like Discord is fine enough
<ekleog> hmm actually I failed to read and pressed enter too fast
<infinisil> Ohhh, I think nobody brought this up yet: https://rocket.chat/
<infinisil> Open-source
<infinisil> Can run own server
<infinisil> Can do video calls
<samueldr> I don't see voice/video chat?
<gchristensen> it is underthe blockchain innovator part
<infinisil> "FeaturesFree audio and video conferencing, guest access, screen sharing, file sharing, LiveChat, LDAP Group Sync, two-factor authentication (2FA), E2E encryption, SSO, and dozens of OAuth providers."
<samueldr> right, I was hoping for a big title, so many words, so little time
<infinisil> Yeah it's a bit hidden, but that does look pretty promising
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