<worldofpeace>
Profpatsch: with jisti meet I think the call will just break down with lots of people
<worldofpeace>
i don't particulally care what I have to use to have this, I just want to use a platform that is alligned to the needs of the hosts and has a low barrier to access for the participants
<qyliss>
Having to use proprietary software would probably be enough to dissuade me from participating, fwiw
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<worldofpeace>
exactly, it can be a barrier to access for participants
<worldofpeace>
so we have to use an open platform. it's understanable that this would dissuade lots of people in this environment
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<Shados>
infinisil: Main downside of rocket chat compared to mumble is that it doesn't actually have voice *channels*, just ad-hoc conference calls. They also have no plans to add that.
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<Profpatsch>
Mumble might actually be a quite good platform, bar the screen sharing.
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<worldofpeace>
i'm seeing "voice communication" and no mention of video. It has to have video.
<worldofpeace>
to be clear, video participation is encouraged not required.
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<ekleog>
qyliss^work: well, proprietary javascript is something you'll have on basically all webpages, while I totally agree that it's not ideal it's something that I think we can reasonably accept (eg. in France you cannot legally refuse proprietary javascript, as the tax website requires javascript to work and it's illegal [to the lowest level] to pay taxes by post nowadays)
<gchristensen>
qyliss^work: is that a hypothetical?
<ekleog>
domenkozar[m]: RFC on setup.nix having two links one after the other is weird
<gchristensen>
domenkozar[m]: maybe indicate that the ZFS one is a link to Phoronix, which adds verisimilitude
<srhb>
domenkozar[m]: It's not very obvious that "project source" is not part of the same link for "RFC on setup.nix [...]" -- maybe add parens. Otherwise LGTM
<qyliss^work>
Just because proprietary JavaScript is difficult to avoid doesn't make it any better than other forms of proprietary software.
<qyliss^work>
gchristensen: not sure I understand the q?
<gchristensen>
is that a concern you hold, or is that a concern you hypothesise other people might hold?
<ekleog>
qyliss^work: it does run in a sandbox, which makes it better than most other forms of proprietary software to me
<gchristensen>
I'm inclined to also allow /private/var/empty. I do think we should set it to something if it isn't that, though
<domenkozar[m]>
it's really error prone to parse the output
<gchristensen>
it is?
<domenkozar[m]>
current implementation fails to parse the current value
<gchristensen>
it does?
<worldofpeace>
tbh one can spend lots of time looking for a platform, and become wanderlust. I'd like too be use something open really, but zoom is like nice idk :P. fadenb I've had different experiences with just the public one
<gchristensen>
domenkozar[m]: I hate it :(
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<domenkozar[m]>
:/
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<niksnut>
it seems just a matter of time until we have to drop multi-user support on macOS, since apple seems determined to make that sort of thing impossible
<gchristensen>
I, very unhappily and reluctantly, agree
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/quit
<gchristensen>
agreed
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<domenkozar[m]>
I don't understand on basis of what? :)
<domenkozar[m]>
I'd really like to fix this bug as just commenting out user creation works well.
<LnL>
gchristensen: /var is a symlink to private/var so those are equivalent
<domenkozar[m]>
ah
<LnL>
gchristensen: but this is the generalised part, I don't think we want /private/var/empty on linux
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<domenkozar[m]>
I should be more precise: I think the old functions of getting home directory never worked
<domenkozar[m]>
but then changing /var/empty to /var/empty did work
<gchristensen>
it definitely did
<gchristensen>
although I notice my link ^ doesn't demonstrate that :)
<gchristensen>
actually it does
<gchristensen>
because if it didn't work, it would show a log message about updating the home directory
<domenkozar[m]>
in that case the output changed
<gchristensen>
yeah, dscl changes its output under ... circumstances ...
<domenkozar[m]>
maybe it should check if string contains /var/empty..
<LnL>
oh hold on, this is remote
<domenkozar[m]>
remote in what way?
<LnL>
ssh
<LnL>
that might be a problem for the weird permission stuff with dscl
<domenkozar[m]>
I'm so happy Microsoft will wipe out macs guys.
<domenkozar[m]>
they seem to at least care :)
<domenkozar[m]>
LnL: I'm still confused why we need to set home for a freshly created user though
<LnL>
we don't have to anymore it seems, the default used to be /Users/foo I think
<domenkozar[m]>
should we then just make adding user on mojave a noop?
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<gchristensen>
it tries to account for people who have setup nix build users improperly using the assorted quality of "nix daemon install!" scripts out there
<domenkozar[m]>
seems like a good time to drop that? :)
<gchristensen>
not sure
<gchristensen>
maybe? :)
<samueldr>
could ~user be used instead?
<samueldr>
if the issue is with dscl
<gchristensen>
what do you mean?
<samueldr>
letting bash expand
<gchristensen>
oh cool
<samueldr>
echo ~nixbld1
<samueldr>
not positive it will be able to if dscl isn't
<gchristensen>
dscl can, it is just outputting in the silly format
<samueldr>
right
<samueldr>
(I was going off on the "this is remote" tangent)
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<domenkozar[m]>
nice
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<domenkozar[m]>
ah but that needs eval due to variables
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<domenkozar[m]>
$ echo ~nixbld1
<domenkozar[m]>
/private/var/empty 1
<domenkozar[m]>
what's with that extra 1?
<samueldr>
that's using the macOS 3.x series bash?
<samueldr>
wondering if it matters and if there is a behaviour difference there
<gchristensen>
well it sounds like each one has its own empty home dir
<gchristensen>
ie, /private/var/empty\ 1"
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<matthewbauer>
domenkozar: that's really weird. maybe somewhere they enforce that each user has a unique home dir?
<gchristensen>
they don't even require each user have a unique ID
<matthewbauer>
Weird! I thought we hit a bug in the installer related to id conflicts?