gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | 18.09 release managers: vcunat and samueldr | https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-dev
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<samueldr> errrrrrrr, I'm again being outsmarted by hydra
<samueldr> https://hydra.nixos.org/build/81117300 has "happy" marked as "Failed"
<samueldr> build 81117981
<samueldr> following the build shows... something else? https://hydra.nixos.org/build/81117981
<samueldr> (propagated from build I should have said)
<samueldr> I can see happy in its build steps, as step 1, and failed?
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<ekleog> have there already been talks about adding a nixpkgs-18.09 channel, that wouldn't be tested?
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<LnL> that doesn't sound like a good idea, and I'm not sure what the usecase would be
<srhb> samueldr: One possible explanation is that happy originally failed, so servant-lucid originally failed, and then servant-lucid was restarted with happy succeeding?
<srhb> The time stamps seem to corroborate this
<srhb> (It would be nicer if somehow we didn't reuse build numbers on restart...)
<Mic92_> Some rust folks on macOS here, who could quickly check if we did not break macOS by accident? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/46362#issuecomment-420537631 (note you probably want to change back to master to check it)
<ekleog> LnL: Use case would be people who want a stable yet quickly-up-to-date-with-security-fixes system for non-nixos
<ekleog> (unless nixos tests always pass on release branches? I've never really paid attention until now)
<ekleog> hmmm no there appear to be quite a few failures https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixos/release-18.09/tested#tabs-constituents
<LnL> yes, we're still working on 18.09
<ekleog> oh yeah that's the 18.09 one, thought it was 18.03
<ekleog> still regular failures https://hydra.nixos.org/job/nixos/release-18.03/tested#tabs-constituents (though now they do look like they may impact a non-nixos user too, so… don't know)
<ekleog> then, the use case I quoted isn't really the actual one I'm thinking for myself: what I am currently thinking of is setting myself up a subset of the tests that I want to pass before my machine upgrades nixpkgs, and disregard tests outside of these
<ekleog> (typically, I don't use chromium, so don't care if this test fails)
<ekleog> so in order to have updates reaching me faster, it'd require having some way to point at the latest commit built by hydra, hence nixpkgs-18.09 :)
<LnL> if you look at the channel update graphs you'll see it updates very frequently already
<LnL> an untested channel won't get you things faster
<LnL> unstable is a different story, because of the large changes that happen there daily
<sphalerite> ekleog: sounds like nixos-18.09-small is what you want to me..?
<sphalerite> It's not completely untested, but it does update faster
<ekleog> sphalerite: hmm well, indeed that's the second-best option, I guess :)
<ekleog> LnL: well, looking from the status tab, 18.03 has not seen a successful update for 4 days, while there have been 5 evaluations since then :/
<ekleog> sphalerite: actually yeah, looking at 18.03-small it looks like it almost never fails a bump, so that indeed looks like what I'm looking for, thanks! :)
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<LnL> yes, it happens but those edgecases are not a good enough reason to add a dangerous channel IMHO
* LnL can't find the channel graphs
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<ekleog> well, 18.03 regularly is a week behind 18.03-small -- though that does appear to imply that 18.03-small actually updates frequently enough :)
<ekleog> (maybe not a week but at least a few days, according to your graphs)
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<andi-> I've tried to work on the 18.03 channel failures yesterday but some of tests are just so flaky.. I did run the `ferm` test locally 10x and it failed 4x :/ (on an idle machine)
<srhb> andi-: Do you have a log of the failures? Perhaps we can robustify the tests.
<andi-> srhb: at home on my notebook probably.. Will try to check in the evening
<srhb> andi-: Please do, hopefully we can find a common pattern and try to improve any weak spots. Feel free to ping me. :)
<andi-> i tried to figure it out and it just times out on a curl request that isn't bein reset it seems.. There isn't really much to it. Sometimes it works. Somtimes ti fails. THe logs were (almost) identical to those on hydra.
<srhb> I would say if you had 4 failing out of 10 locally, that's a great start, because usually the issue is that they're irreproducible locally.
<andi-> I initially thought that the default policy for that chain changed and started adding an explicit ACCEPT/REJECT line at the bottom of the rules until I saw that it didn't really influence the outcome just caused the tests to be run again (since input changed)
<andi-> anyway, have to get some (boring) work done :(
<domenkozar> drwx------ 20 postgres postgres 4096 Sep 12 00:00 postgresql-10.0
<domenkozar> why don't we give +r for the group?
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<nbp> srhb: Ok, after having a short discussion with the github support, they are going to forward a private message to the user. I also contacted the support of Factorio and they scrambled the password of the user and sent him an email too.
<sphalerite> nbp: the world needs more people like you! :D
<nbp> sphalerite: I respect others as much as I would expect other to do for me ;)
<sphalerite> hm does this work here too?
<sphalerite> nbp++
<{^_^}> nbp's karma got increased to 1
<sphalerite> it does!
<srhb> nbp: Great work :)
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* ekleog curious: who is this user you're talking about? (if it's ok to tell)
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<ekleog> oh, #nixos, thanks! :)
<ekleog> and so, nbp++
<ekleog> nbp++
<{^_^}> nbp's karma got increased to 2
<ekleog> ok, looks like the parser is more strict than I thought
<samueldr> or not++
<{^_^}> or not's karma got increased to 2
<ekleog> wtf
<ekleog> is that space a thin space or something like that?
<samueldr> (off-topic, but explanation is: using a non-breakable space, as long as there are no spaces (ascii spaces) it will increase karma)
<ekleog> :)
<sphalerite> to type a nbsp, shift+altgr then space twice, iirc
<samueldr> depends on many things, but COMPOSE, then double space does it
<samueldr> or for the "ca" keyboard, altgr+space
<sphalerite> I think shift+altgr is compose by default?
<samueldr> no idea if there is a default
<ekleog> here on bepo it is maj plus space iirc++
<{^_^}> here on bepo it is maj plus space iirc's karma got increased to 1
<nbp> ekleog: I avoided mentioning the name, nor the issue, nor replying on the issue to avoid getting more attention to this issue than needed.
<nbp> ekleog: as I do not know if this user used this password for something else, I think it would be best to not bring too much attention to it, even if one of his/her password got invalidated.
<clever> sphalerite: my keyboard also has a dedicated compose key
<clever> but both compose and shift+altgr dont work in xterm
<nbp> clever: Do you use one of the default xkeyboard-config, or managed to get a custom keyboard layout?
<clever> nbp: only change to my keyboard layout is to make capslock into shiftlock
<ekleog> nbp: indeed :)
<clever> compose just types 9~
<clever> and shift+altgr+space does nothing
<nbp> clever: I tried to add a custom xkeyword-config layout, but I do not want to recompile everything which depends on it :/
<clever> 422 xserver = {
<clever> 423 xkbOptions = "caps:shiftlock";
<ekleog> ISTR Nadrieril eventually found the solution to this one
<ekleog> hmm he's neither here nor on #nixos, though :(
<Dezgeg> if there's a solution I'm interested as well (for a particular finnish dvorak layout)
<nbp> clever: I am using a modified version of https://qwerty-lafayette.org/ , which is loaded with xkbcomp at the beginning of my session
<clever> nbp: ah
<nbp> So much better for coding.
<samueldr> nbp: compared to? (azerty?)
<nbp> samueldr: compared to AZERTY and QWERTY.
<samueldr> I'd be curious to see an azerty user compare the "canadian french" layout, the one with the dead keys, and some accented keys
<nbp> it has french accents with a composed key, symbols with RAlt
<samueldr> (hi nbp, I'm from Québec)
<nbp> (hi)
<nbp> I do not know the Québec layout.
<nbp> or canadian french, because there is more than Québec which is speaking French.
<samueldr> there are two, one is a mess, the other is closer to a basic qwerty (and none are specific to québec, but the one that's imho a mess is the one preferred by the OQLF)
<samueldr> (we can move to #nixos-chat because it's now really off-topic :))
<nbp> What is on topic for me, is how can we add new keyboard layout without recompiling everything?
<ekleog> nbp: I'll be poking you as soon as I get an answer on whether nadrieril did manage to do it or not and if so how :)
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<andi-> can someone abort / restart the vm test that have been in "sending inputs" for >10h? https://hydra.nixos.org/build/81214248 I doubt they'll finish some time soon :)
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<domenkozar> drwx------ 20 postgres postgres 4096 Sep 12 00:00 postgresql-10.0
<domenkozar> hmm actually it's always been like this
<domenkozar> well it's pretty useless that there's postgres group but it doesn't have read permissions
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<Nadrieril> heya ! I have been invoked because someone was interested in having custom keyboard layouts ?
<Nadrieril> I have a custom-kbd-layout.nix module http://xelpaste.org/wJn7By that works with the following patch to nixpkgs (that I got too lazy to upstream) http://xelpaste.org/d5gdsb
<Nadrieril> here is how I use it to get the tilde key acting as compose: http://xelpaste.org/LxY0Rb
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<domenkozar> ok so both nginx and postgresl use "chmod 700"
<domenkozar> while they have a group
<domenkozar> so what's the point :/
<domenkozar> news flash
<domenkozar> it was me in 2013
<domenkozar> :@
<LnL> lol
<sphalerite> past self: everyone's worst enemy
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