gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-dev to: NixOS Development (#nixos for questions) | https://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixos/trunk-combined https://channels.nix.gsc.io/graph.html | 18.03 release managers: fpletz and vcunat
<gchristensen> the installer should support zsh just fine
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: /etc/zsh/zprofile
<Sonarpulse> needed to be hand made
<Sonarpulse> (despite the manual sauing /etc/zprofile)
<Sonarpulse> and i manually restarted the service and left eh old stale socket there
<gchristensen> I'm not sure why the instnaller gave you so much trouble
<gchristensen> what distro / version?
<zybell_> Sonarpulse: Unix sockets observe access rights along the path for regular users.
<gchristensen> I'm not sure that is related?
<gchristensen> Sonarpulse: the .service doesn't "own" the socket, the .socket does, the .service inherits the socket from systemd on startup
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: yeah exactly, which is why restarting the inner service didn't work
<Sonarpulse> I ripped the child away
<gchristensen> I think restarting the service shoud work, though
<gchristensen> anywho, what can I make better?
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: I'm not sure
<Sonarpulse> I don't think anything was wrong
<Sonarpulse> it would be nice if restarting socket died if its service died maybe?
<Sonarpulse> but I don't know the convention here
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: as to zsh, I'm not sure why the man page was wrong
<Sonarpulse> and I am fine with the installer only changing /etc/profile
<zybell_> Can the user that can't connect at least see the socket with ls?
<Sonarpulse> zybell_: yes
<clever> Sonarpulse: what chmod and user bits does ls -l see?
<Sonarpulse> clever: well i restarted and it works now
<Sonarpulse> AFIAK /etc/profile is for borne shell in general
<gchristensen> Sonarpulse: that shouldn't be a problem, though. can you provide directions on replicating the socket problem?
<clever> bbl
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: i'll try
<Sonarpulse> so all the borne-compatible shells should source it from their profiles
<gchristensen> yeah, we also update /etc/zshrc if it is preesent
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<gchristensen> Sonarpulse: what distro / version?
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: linux mint
<Sonarpulse> gettting
<gchristensen> the more I learn about various shell init processes the more I wonder how anything works
<dtz> xD
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: Linux ender 4.13.0-37-generic #42~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 7 16:03:28 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
<gchristensen> cat /etc/os-release ?
<Sonarpulse> ok
<gchristensen> also, is it working now?
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: yeah
<gchristensen> great :D
<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 18.2"
<Sonarpulse> sorry for delay
<gchristensen> it is ok
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<Profpatsch> lib/debug.nix overhaul, request for comments on the PR: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/38368
<Profpatsch> (it’s just what I do on holidays)
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<globin> manveru: did you make any progress on gitlab?
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<manveru> globin: no, sorry
<manveru> didn't have a ton of time to spare
<gchristensen> I don't like how github handles reviews when you go commit yb commit
<gchristensen> that PR is hard to read any other way
<globin> manveru: I might have found a solution with Mic92, the unicorn dep is in its own group in the Gemfile and we by default limit the groups to "
<manveru> ah, good point
<globin> manveru: "default" and the libraries are installed but the wrapper for the binary stubs don't include the other groups
<globin> manveru: I'll test a full deployment this evening and if that works I'll fix it for now by explicitly adding the group in gitlab's bundlerEnv, but we could think about not defining the groups in Bundler.setup => installing all the binaries?
<manveru> that'd probably make it way easier to use, yes
<manveru> and also not be any backwards-compat issue
<Profpatsch> gchristensen: release notes also for trace warnings?
<Profpatsch> I’d trace (with alternative) for unstable/master and add a release note on remove
<Profpatsch> Won’t be until 18.09
<gchristensen> for their deprecation, yes
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<Profpatsch> gchristensen: Done
<gchristensen> please send me your reviews of putting user channels in NIX_PATH: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/38351
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<clever> gchristensen: pushed an update to what you mentioned
<gchristensen> lgtm
<gchristensen> clever: is there a nixos test especially appropriate for this?
<clever> the container job in release.nix runs it, but doesnt validate the output
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<copumpkin> hmm, the installer for nix 2.0 seems to care about stuff like MANPATH and USER, which the earlier installers didn't care about. It's messing up my headless unnattended install :(
<copumpkin> anyone know what changed?
<gchristensen> I think the single-user linux installer has dependen upon USER for a long long long time
<gchristensen> ~2014 at least
<gchristensen> what is this about a MANPATH? what problems are you running in to? can I helep?
<copumpkin> oh, is the systemd installer live already?
<gchristensen> no
<copumpkin> oh maybe it's something else actually
<copumpkin> looks like the install goes through but the nix profile.d/nix.sh wants MANPATH to be set, which it didn't want before
<copumpkin> 78: /root/.nix-profile/etc/profile.d/nix.sh: MANPATH: parameter not set
<gchristensen> that changed in early 2018 yeah, if [ -n "${MANPATH}" ]; then
<gchristensen> do you have `set -u` in your profile loader? :o
<copumpkin> yeah, ugh
<copumpkin> this is just an automated script in a container base
<copumpkin> I guess I'll unset -u before I source and then set it again
<gchristensen> that is the obvious short term fix
<gchristensen> long term we should be using "${MANPATH:-}"
<copumpkin> I wonder why the USER thing hasn't caused me trouble in the past
<copumpkin> because as you say it's been that way for ages
<gchristensen> maybe your container's lower layers changed
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<copumpkin> nah, the only thing I changed was the nix version I was pulling the installer for
<copumpkin> oh well, got it working now :)
<copumpkin> too lazy to dig deeper
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<Sonarpulse> shlevy: did build-components-separately.patch just work with binutils 2_30 btw?
<Sonarpulse> pkgs/development/tools/misc/binutils/build-components-separately.patch that is
<shlevy> Sonarpulse: Doesn't seem like it references it :o
<shlevy> Maybe it was added after I added 2.30
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<Sonarpulse> shlevy: libbfd uses it
<Sonarpulse> and libopcodes
<Sonarpulse> which are used by clang
<Sonarpulse> so darwin bootstrap
<Sonarpulse> so I guess it does!
<Sonarpulse> huh
<shlevy> Heh
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<Sonarpulse> gchristensen: thanks for opening the https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/2033 NIX_PATH issue :)
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<Sonarpulse> shlevy: i built stdenv on darwin
<Sonarpulse> I think it's fine
<Sonarpulse> I guess I'll merge the staging PR?
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<cransom> will builtins.fetchGit obey `tarball-ttl` from nix.conf?
<niksnut> yes
<dtz> hmm, is staging hydra job usually disabled?
<dtz> okay! :)
<LnL> that's nixos not nixpkgs
<dtz> just wanna see if nixos tests are broken on staging upstream too or just locally :). starts evaluating and building the answer to that question himself
<dtz> xD
<dtz> err, yes it is (and I think that's what I said)?
<dtz> :3
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<dtz> yay tests were failing b/c of a commit I dropped in a rebase (and skipped over a few times) that "couldn't possibly" be related :D
<dtz> doing a bisect would be rather computational expensive so was trying to avoid it :3
<dtz> by being "smart" about it xD :D